However, what if I got 5 people to do it? 25? 100? 5000? Get it?
5 people?? You won't have enough resource to make anything that look beyond Ultima 7. And while you probably can get a very small group of niche players to play it, it won't interests most people just because 5 cannot do any decent technology/art in a decent amount of time.
I highly doubt you can coordinate a 25 people team completely on an amateur basis.
However, you probably won't believe me. So do try to prove me wrong. Spend your time to get it going. Personally, I won't spend so much effort & potential aggravation on something that is just entertainment. However, that is just me.
I think you took that statement too literally. If you got 5 people to invest 200k in a small game (granted I'm not saying carrying the thing entirely, Just an investment) then that would be a sizable amount to invest. now get 10 people to invest 100k. Now 20 people 50k. do you follow the logic. Now, I'm talking hypothetical so that you won't take it to heart. And I'm not talking about "all" the money that is needed. Just part of the money as that is what seems more feasible.
Ok, so there are people who invest in companies. There just are. You are going to have to accept that that is a fact since it is. However, we are talking about an investement that is more based on the desire to see a good game made, not to make money. I know that seems odd but in an intimate scale people do this all the time. The local woman who has a clothing shop where she got investment from her family because she was family. Oh, and she did so well that she opened a second shop. Just an fyi.
let's continue.
Now, getting 5 people to invest 200k in a company is a bit of a different type of commitment since that type of money is not going to be thrown around too lightly. You need to have a very solid plan put together in order to get them to invest the money.
And before you say this doesn't happen I know too full well it does as it was a private investment firm that invested in Turbine at one point. I know this as I work for a company that was banked by the same group.
Ok.
So, we are talking about something a bit easier. Since we all know full well that games are an iffy investment if you want to actually make money. However, if you want to make it something that is a bit easier on the wallet you get more people. You especially get more people who are actually interested in the project as a project. So as my sentence indicated, if you can get 5 people then it is possible to get 10, 20, etc. I am not saying that "just" getting 5 people is going to do it because "yes", getting 5 people to invest money into a business is not hard when you have a business that is sure to make money. Again, people do this.
But since this is a game, you would have to have some proof that they would get money back on their return. Especially for that type of money.
What I imagine the OP is saying is that if a larger part of the gaming community was presented with a project that looked like it was managed well, that the assets had some interesting game play and that was different from what was being made (albeit smaller budget, not modern graphics, etc) then it is possible that if presented with a very transparent but solid Development plan, they might be persuaded to give 5 dollars. Now, you might not because for whatever reason, 5 dollars is a bit much to throw at something promising.
I would and as I've indicated, In the past I promised 200 dollars to the Ryzom project so that they could purchase their game. I felt like it was a worthwhile endeavor even if I wasn't going to be making money off of it.
And you know what? They did get a sizable amount of pledges in order to make a serious bid on the game.
THAT is what I am talking about! The idea of a larger community effort in order to get something worthwhile done. And if you think of all the people n the open software movement who give hours upon hours of their time to actually implement new software that is free of charge then you might have an idea of the type of commitment that I am talking about.
So to recap
If the op's idea is to come to fruition he could possible find a project that was different enough and sound enough to be a contender for a real game to be created.
Yes, he could feasibly get people to invest in it. If the Ryzom people could make a serious bid on the game then it is at least feasible that a large amount of gamers might get excited about a project in order to throw a 5 dollars (some more some less) at it to see if it happens. you might not but many would as 5 dollars is not considered a serious misuse of money by a good many people.
But again, he would have to find a project that was interesting, small but solid development company and that could really generate excitement.
In the end, all of this is academic. I think the OP was just making this thread to see how the community would react to such a proposition. I'm sure that someone with great passion could even make a go of it. Maybe not achieve the goal but could possibly put together a solid plan and find a solid game to back.
And yes, you are right, you wouldn't be able to make something that looked beyond Ultima. Now you understand. It's just not possible to make anything that would look like a modern game with that small amount of money. but there are people who don't care about graphics and just want game play.
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And yes, you are right, you wouldn't be able to make something that looked beyond Ultima. Now you understand. It's just not possible to make anything that would look like a modern game with that small amount of money. but there are people who don't care about graphics and just want game play.
Good luck to get 5 people to shell out $200k for a hobby. I would not say it is impossible, but highly unlikely. I suppose if someone would pay $20M for a 3 day vacation on a space station, it can happen. However, it would be as lucky as winning the lotter if he chooses YOUR project to support, as opposed to some other ones.
Lastly, resources is NOT just about graphics, but CONTENT. Unless you have really monotonic automatically generated levels (or zones, or whatever you want to call them), you need HUMANS to make them. And 5 people just would not have enough time & labor to do a proper job on a large world.
There is a LOT more to gameplay than just a bunch of balance formulae. However, about making items? Either you do it randomly, which will be very difficult to balance and not very interesting, or you have to do it by hand.
How about paper dolls? If takes a LOT of resources to even do 2D graphics right. (Think Diablo).
Pissing money away is not a good practice. Donating money to a project such as this is a bad idea for a few reasons: - There is no guarantee on where the money is going - There is no guarantee the project will be completed - There is no guarantee that if the project is completed, it will be what we wanted when donating the money. There is an extremely high chance, that if this project were to begin, that it will not be finished. (even full fledging game companies go bust, and you expect a mob of people organised over the internet to complete one!) You should really think about this more
We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
Pissing money away is not a good practice. Donating money to a project such as this is a bad idea for a few reasons: - There is no guarantee on where the money is going - There is no guarantee the project will be completed - There is no guarantee that if the project is completed, it will be what we wanted when donating the money. There is an extremely high chance, that if this project were to begin, that it will not be finished. (even full fledging game companies go bust, and you expect a mob of people organised over the internet to complete one!) You should really think about this more
We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
Yeah, and suckers fall for pyramid schemes too. There are also those who buy lotteries, and go to vegas to piss away their life livings. So yeah, there are lots of people who would piss away money for any sort of wishful thinking.
The question is whether *you* can get enough of them. There is competition for their money out there, you know.
Pissing money away is not a good practice. Donating money to a project such as this is a bad idea for a few reasons: - There is no guarantee on where the money is going - There is no guarantee the project will be completed - There is no guarantee that if the project is completed, it will be what we wanted when donating the money. There is an extremely high chance, that if this project were to begin, that it will not be finished. (even full fledging game companies go bust, and you expect a mob of people organised over the internet to complete one!) You should really think about this more
We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
Yeah, and suckers fall for pyramid schemes too. There are also those who buy lotteries, and go to vegas to piss away their life livings. So yeah, there are lots of people who would piss away money for any sort of wishful thinking.
The question is whether *you* can get enough of them. There is competition for their money out there, you know.
You're correct. I'm just saying if people wish to do so, let them. No need to try and bash them. If they wish to invest a few bucks or millions it's up to them. No guarantees, but to say it's worthless to do so is wrong. I'm sure people told many successful endevors would fail or was not worth the investment. Those people were proven wrong. It was a long shot, but it paid off big time. Donation money can be quite a bit. I ALWAYS donate to sights and software that i believe are good ideas. (with a lot of research) The community can have a big difference. No return on it, except that i get the pleasure of enjoying what i contributed to. Though it may not have been millions, every little bit helps, it all adds up in the end. If i could get 10 people to donate $5, that would help a little to offset the electric bill. It's all good.
You just have to be faith in what they are trying to create.
I would donate if it was development on a game that I'd want to play, mostly because the overwhelming majority of MMOs out there right now I'd never touch. Of course, the problem is, I'm in the vast minority in wanting less of an emphasis on randomly killing stuff and more on actual roleplaying, so I'm pretty much out of luck there.
Pissing money away is not a good practice. Donating money to a project such as this is a bad idea for a few reasons: - There is no guarantee on where the money is going - There is no guarantee the project will be completed - There is no guarantee that if the project is completed, it will be what we wanted when donating the money. There is an extremely high chance, that if this project were to begin, that it will not be finished. (even full fledging game companies go bust, and you expect a mob of people organised over the internet to complete one!) You should really think about this more
We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
Yeah, and suckers fall for pyramid schemes too. There are also those who buy lotteries, and go to vegas to piss away their life livings. So yeah, there are lots of people who would piss away money for any sort of wishful thinking.
The question is whether *you* can get enough of them. There is competition for their money out there, you know.
You're correct. I'm just saying if people wish to do so, let them. No need to try and bash them. If they wish to invest a few bucks or millions it's up to them. No guarantees, but to say it's worthless to do so is wrong. I'm sure people told many successful endevors would fail or was not worth the investment. Those people were proven wrong. It was a long shot, but it paid off big time. Donation money can be quite a bit. I ALWAYS donate to sights and software that i believe are good ideas. (with a lot of research) The community can have a big difference. No return on it, except that i get the pleasure of enjoying what i contributed to. Though it may not have been millions, every little bit helps, it all adds up in the end. If i could get 10 people to donate $5, that would help a little to offset the electric bill. It's all good.
You just have to be faith in what they are trying to create.
Sure. I have no problem other people pissing away their money. I am just voicing my opinion (that is why forum exists, right? letting people to voice what they think) that this is an extremely long shot and I don't think it is putting in my 5 bucks.
Oh ... certainly it will help offset whoevers' electric bill. But it has close to zero probability that it will help me.
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5 people?? You won't have enough resource to make anything that look beyond Ultima 7. And while you probably can get a very small group of niche players to play it, it won't interests most people just because 5 cannot do any decent technology/art in a decent amount of time.I highly doubt you can coordinate a 25 people team completely on an amateur basis.
However, you probably won't believe me. So do try to prove me wrong. Spend your time to get it going. Personally, I won't spend so much effort & potential aggravation on something that is just entertainment. However, that is just me.
I think you took that statement too literally. If you got 5 people to invest 200k in a small game (granted I'm not saying carrying the thing entirely, Just an investment) then that would be a sizable amount to invest. now get 10 people to invest 100k. Now 20 people 50k. do you follow the logic. Now, I'm talking hypothetical so that you won't take it to heart. And I'm not talking about "all" the money that is needed. Just part of the money as that is what seems more feasible.
Ok, so there are people who invest in companies. There just are. You are going to have to accept that that is a fact since it is. However, we are talking about an investement that is more based on the desire to see a good game made, not to make money. I know that seems odd but in an intimate scale people do this all the time. The local woman who has a clothing shop where she got investment from her family because she was family. Oh, and she did so well that she opened a second shop. Just an fyi.
let's continue.
Now, getting 5 people to invest 200k in a company is a bit of a different type of commitment since that type of money is not going to be thrown around too lightly. You need to have a very solid plan put together in order to get them to invest the money.
And before you say this doesn't happen I know too full well it does as it was a private investment firm that invested in Turbine at one point. I know this as I work for a company that was banked by the same group.
Ok.
So, we are talking about something a bit easier. Since we all know full well that games are an iffy investment if you want to actually make money. However, if you want to make it something that is a bit easier on the wallet you get more people. You especially get more people who are actually interested in the project as a project. So as my sentence indicated, if you can get 5 people then it is possible to get 10, 20, etc. I am not saying that "just" getting 5 people is going to do it because "yes", getting 5 people to invest money into a business is not hard when you have a business that is sure to make money. Again, people do this.
But since this is a game, you would have to have some proof that they would get money back on their return. Especially for that type of money.
What I imagine the OP is saying is that if a larger part of the gaming community was presented with a project that looked like it was managed well, that the assets had some interesting game play and that was different from what was being made (albeit smaller budget, not modern graphics, etc) then it is possible that if presented with a very transparent but solid Development plan, they might be persuaded to give 5 dollars. Now, you might not because for whatever reason, 5 dollars is a bit much to throw at something promising.
I would and as I've indicated, In the past I promised 200 dollars to the Ryzom project so that they could purchase their game. I felt like it was a worthwhile endeavor even if I wasn't going to be making money off of it.
And you know what? They did get a sizable amount of pledges in order to make a serious bid on the game.
THAT is what I am talking about! The idea of a larger community effort in order to get something worthwhile done. And if you think of all the people n the open software movement who give hours upon hours of their time to actually implement new software that is free of charge then you might have an idea of the type of commitment that I am talking about.
So to recap
If the op's idea is to come to fruition he could possible find a project that was different enough and sound enough to be a contender for a real game to be created.
Yes, he could feasibly get people to invest in it. If the Ryzom people could make a serious bid on the game then it is at least feasible that a large amount of gamers might get excited about a project in order to throw a 5 dollars (some more some less) at it to see if it happens. you might not but many would as 5 dollars is not considered a serious misuse of money by a good many people.
But again, he would have to find a project that was interesting, small but solid development company and that could really generate excitement.
In the end, all of this is academic. I think the OP was just making this thread to see how the community would react to such a proposition. I'm sure that someone with great passion could even make a go of it. Maybe not achieve the goal but could possibly put together a solid plan and find a solid game to back.
And yes, you are right, you wouldn't be able to make something that looked beyond Ultima. Now you understand. It's just not possible to make anything that would look like a modern game with that small amount of money. but there are people who don't care about graphics and just want game play.
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Good luck to get 5 people to shell out $200k for a hobby. I would not say it is impossible, but highly unlikely. I suppose if someone would pay $20M for a 3 day vacation on a space station, it can happen. However, it would be as lucky as winning the lotter if he chooses YOUR project to support, as opposed to some other ones.
Lastly, resources is NOT just about graphics, but CONTENT. Unless you have really monotonic automatically generated levels (or zones, or whatever you want to call them), you need HUMANS to make them. And 5 people just would not have enough time & labor to do a proper job on a large world.
There is a LOT more to gameplay than just a bunch of balance formulae. However, about making items? Either you do it randomly, which will be very difficult to balance and not very interesting, or you have to do it by hand.
How about paper dolls? If takes a LOT of resources to even do 2D graphics right. (Think Diablo).
We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
Yeah, and suckers fall for pyramid schemes too. There are also those who buy lotteries, and go to vegas to piss away their life livings. So yeah, there are lots of people who would piss away money for any sort of wishful thinking.
The question is whether *you* can get enough of them. There is competition for their money out there, you know.
We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
Yeah, and suckers fall for pyramid schemes too. There are also those who buy lotteries, and go to vegas to piss away their life livings. So yeah, there are lots of people who would piss away money for any sort of wishful thinking.
The question is whether *you* can get enough of them. There is competition for their money out there, you know.
You're correct. I'm just saying if people wish to do so, let them. No need to try and bash them. If they wish to invest a few bucks or millions it's up to them. No guarantees, but to say it's worthless to do so is wrong. I'm sure people told many successful endevors would fail or was not worth the investment. Those people were proven wrong. It was a long shot, but it paid off big time. Donation money can be quite a bit. I ALWAYS donate to sights and software that i believe are good ideas. (with a lot of research) The community can have a big difference. No return on it, except that i get the pleasure of enjoying what i contributed to. Though it may not have been millions, every little bit helps, it all adds up in the end. If i could get 10 people to donate $5, that would help a little to offset the electric bill. It's all good.You just have to be faith in what they are trying to create.
I would donate if it was development on a game that I'd want to play, mostly because the overwhelming majority of MMOs out there right now I'd never touch. Of course, the problem is, I'm in the vast minority in wanting less of an emphasis on randomly killing stuff and more on actual roleplaying, so I'm pretty much out of luck there.
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We Are talking $5 for gods sake, Get a clue bro. We all the risks but I think of it more like the lottery. I'll throw in $20 if theres a chance I could win. Same risk with no guarantee, yet people do it all the time. I'm sure youve pissed money away as well many times, think about it.
Yeah, and suckers fall for pyramid schemes too. There are also those who buy lotteries, and go to vegas to piss away their life livings. So yeah, there are lots of people who would piss away money for any sort of wishful thinking.
The question is whether *you* can get enough of them. There is competition for their money out there, you know.
You're correct. I'm just saying if people wish to do so, let them. No need to try and bash them. If they wish to invest a few bucks or millions it's up to them. No guarantees, but to say it's worthless to do so is wrong. I'm sure people told many successful endevors would fail or was not worth the investment. Those people were proven wrong. It was a long shot, but it paid off big time. Donation money can be quite a bit. I ALWAYS donate to sights and software that i believe are good ideas. (with a lot of research) The community can have a big difference. No return on it, except that i get the pleasure of enjoying what i contributed to. Though it may not have been millions, every little bit helps, it all adds up in the end. If i could get 10 people to donate $5, that would help a little to offset the electric bill. It's all good.You just have to be faith in what they are trying to create.
Sure. I have no problem other people pissing away their money. I am just voicing my opinion (that is why forum exists, right? letting people to voice what they think) that this is an extremely long shot and I don't think it is putting in my 5 bucks.
Oh ... certainly it will help offset whoevers' electric bill. But it has close to zero probability that it will help me.