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Why wow wasnt my game.
headsplit
Member Posts: 27
This is my opinion and my opinion only.
Just to make sure i will define what opinion means:
An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact.
Firstly the days, weeks and months i spent in Alterac Valley battleground provided me with flame retardent epic pvp armour and 100,000,000 resiliance. (sarcasm off now)
Let me begin, i joined WoW to experience all the hype thats surrounds it, as a roleplayer and PvPer i decided to join Defias Brotherhood RPPVP server.
Now i can understand that as a new player your not going to see alot of roleplaying from day one. Roleplaying is like marmite, love it or hate it!
What i did experience throughout the 6 months i subscribed to WoW was a serious lack of people willing to RP on my server.
The general population have no intention of roleplaying and actually frowned upon me when i tried to RP.
I basically ended up with 2 friends that would RP with me while i was helping them quest with my 70 hunter. (Both was under level 60)
As for RP guilds they was either hardcore RP or mild RP or Eliteist, i joined a RP server to RP, not to just RP with certain ppl. (everyone on Ultima would RP with you)
As mature gamer (Ultima Online Europa shard Vet) i was hoping to avoid all the childish L33t groups by joining a RPPVP server alas i was wrong.
Next topic: Instances and Raids.
I dont mind instances, i never have until i played WoW. I hated those instances with a vengence, only to find out that the endgame PvE instances take upto 3 hours (depends on your group and experience) but i gave it a go only to find out i hated it with a vengence and that your chances to roll for a item you wanted was greatly reduced by the amount of ppl in your group.
Ah, one wipe and another 30 mins waiting to replace the members that left.
Next topic PvP in WoW:
This topic i hold with the most distain, PvP sucks (i would love to find a better word but sucks is apt)
There is no class balance (because of the raid system).
Its one endless grind in Alterac Valley for Honour.
The world PvP is basically none existant and/or ganking.
The PvP in WoW is gank or be ganked.
Next topic Grinding Rep:
Pointless as a PvPing Roleplayer, this game aint for me.
Bad points over.
Now there was lots of stuff i enjoyed about WoW the interface is brilliant, its uber customisable, i loved that, loads of player made mods to make life easy, thats great.
Questing is simple to understand they give you all you need to know to acheive the end aim.
Auction house is quality and easy to use.
Professions are really usefull, First aid and cooking a must for any PvPers.
This game has lots of depth that 90% of other games miss, i applaud blizzard they have created a genre changing game.
Took me 6 months to learn that WoW wasnt my game.
Let me finish by reiterating that this post is about why WoW wasnt the game for me.
This is my opinion and my opinion only.
An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact.
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*clap the fangirls*
"It all boils down to how the chemicals flow to the brain"
Wow .. I may as well state *my* OPINIONS too.
1) Instances - I *love* WOW instances. Finally, I (or my group) does not have to share the dungeon with 50 other people. It also makes the progression in the instance designed much better.
2) PvP - I don't PvP anyway. I played BG one or twice but I prefer leveling/question a lot more. Hopefully I still have a way to go before I hit the end game.
3) RP - Luckily I am one of those who does not like and don't RP. And in my case, a normal server will do. In general, as long as the people are friendly & helpful, I am happy. I am in a leveling casual guild and while there are few active members, the one who are (including me) are helpful and I enjoy playing with them.
RP: I play on an RP server (EU Ravanholdt). Whilst some people are hostile to RP, there are also many pro-RP people, including several entire guilds devoted to role-playing.
Instances: If an endgame instance is taking you 3 hours then you are with a poor group. Learn how to play your class well and find other good players and put them on your friends list. You will soon find that all WoW endgame 5-man instances can easily be done in 1.5 hours or less, whether in normal or heroic mode.
PvP: I agree that grinding AV is fundamentally boring. However, world pvp can on occasion offer more than just ganking. Attacks on faction capitals? Organized events where groups of players from each faction fight eachother for some objective? These things can happen, but only if you make them happen. For example, a player is trying to organize a world pvp event on my realm this coming Sunday (see the topic Embrace the Storm -EU Ravenholdt forum).
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Good post. I agree with most points on your assessment. WoW needs more world PvP.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
Also, I must say this:
I understand that these are your opinions. Even so, I think finding a decent guild of 70s who run instances might help you. I find that any grind is much more enjoyable when I can hop on vent and talk to guildmates while doing them.
I am exalted with all of the 70 5-man factions except Keepers of Time. I would not be at this point if I had to PuG every group. Pugging, imo, is the WORSt way to experience the game. Strangers suck, bottom line.
Find some friends who don't suck and don't suck with them. It will make the game worth logging on to.
ALSO, key advice here. Try to stick to one character. Perhaps one that fills two or three roles. That way all of the effort you put into playing will benefit one character and improve him/her. I play a Paladin. I heal sometimes, I DPS sometimes, and I tank A LOT. I enjoy it, and I've experienced a lot of advancement because I do not roll alts and grind the same grinds for a second time.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
Yup WoW is the ONLY game out there, those other games just don't exist or in the great words of the fanboi's they SUXXOR!!
Point is if you don't like WoW try something else, there are many options available in order to find your niche. And never let them tell you why you HAVE to like the game, if you don't like the game you don't.
WoW has its problems in my opinion, playing for 2 years and end game is about as boring as you can get. And until Blizzard is faced with competition, they will continue to run the game with bottom line the only condition that matters. When competition comes in, like the potential of games like Warhammer, then Blizzard makes efforts to match, seige weapons coming in WotLK, but I am sure that was Blizzard's idea first, DAoC anyone?
WoW is still the greatest morpg I've ever played. What games do you like?
anything besides wow
pre trammel pvp was a gankfest am I the only one who thinks that?
if you want pre trammel gankfest where the upper hand is given to the aggressor and any notion of balance is thrown out the window - go play Eve online.
I respect your opinions. WoW is the tonka truck of mmos...its simple, bulky and easy to pick up. Its for that reason that people love to hate it and hate to love it including myself.
I think one of the biggest things that appeal to people is that WoW will be remember as the mmo that put mmos in the mainstream and wow is the game that friends and friends of friends talk about over lunch.
I agree with you on the pre-trammel pvp in UO, it was a gankfest, pure and simple.
I lost all interest in WoW after they did the dirty on me...
I'm English and played on the US Servers since WoW first came out (beta tested the US Version too) - the "nice, caring" people at Blizzard were quite content to accept my VISA credit card, even letting me make a digital purchase of "Burning Crusade" - only to inform me 2 days later that they would no longer accept my credit card, as I was English...thus leaving me with a useless US version of WoW and an unusable upgrade...
...nice to know they care so much about the people who pay their wages...
I agree with you on the pre-trammel pvp in UO, it was a gankfest, pure and simple.
Kinda reminds me of that old video of the man standing in front of a line of tanks in China.
That's a part of what I want in PVP. The realism and immersion of a dangerous uncontrolled circumstance.
Forced to be fair PVP just feels too arena match for me and looses all the RPG element.
You people who cry gank fests should just all band together and set a trap for the gankers. Take a stand and fight back or just go play a MMO more centered on PVE.
Just stop crying about getting suckerpunched, or ganked. In EVE it happens if your not smart. You can also take precaution to keep yourself safe. EVE is realistic like that.
If I want arena matches I'll play Guild Wars, or COD4.
I want a sandbox with the freedom for me to get into the game as a persistant world. All this safe PVP forced fair is EXACTLY what will keep me from the game.
I have no offense against those who want safe forced to be equal PVP, just lets all stop going on and on that every game has to accomidate every damn taste in the whole freakin world because no matter how many corporate round table meetings all these white collar buisnessmen have this will never happen.
We need our Niche games please.
SHOHADAKU
i totally agre wit hyou m8.
blizzard are interested in candy coating everything in wow for mr average and that includes those theat like the vague idea of roleplay but havent got the intellect, immagination or dedcation to work at it.
Blizzard copped out big time when it came to RP - they should police RP wit hte same vigour that the ypolice other aspects of the game becasue wow rp realms are nothing approaching rp and they actually do a lot of damage as well as represent a serius missed opportunity for bliz themselves.
There is no excuse for any OOC chat of any kind whatsoever on an RP realm - especially wit hthe availability of IM services that can run outside the game or even the voice servers.
Bliz could have a genuinely great rp set up and the market is probably quite big - but becasue thye are too damn lazyy/greedy they have sacrificed RP to the point that it makes no sense to call rp realms rp at all.
The game could be so much more fun if they bit the bullet and appointed an RP Tzar to relaunch rp realms and manage them to high RP standards, booting people that dont develop the skills or conform etc whilst having the courage to know that strictly enforced RP standards would appeal to a huge number of players and genuinely add a new dimension and new revenue streams to the game.
While they are at it - they should do away wit hthe item colouring scheme and force players to learn what a good item is instead of he current system of screaming - great valuable item by colouring epics one colour rubbish grey etc. This would introduce some skill to the mainstream game and provide for more variety in the gameplay.
but you know what m8 - it isnt going to happen.
Caveat Emptor
I agree with you on the pre-trammel pvp in UO, it was a gankfest, pure and simple.
Kinda reminds me of that old video of the man standing in front of a line of tanks in China.
That's a part of what I want in PVP. The realism and immersion of a dangerous uncontrolled circumstance.
Forced to be fair PVP just feels too arena match for me and looses all the RPG element.
You people who cry gank fests should just all band together and set a trap for the gankers. Take a stand and fight back or just go play a MMO more centered on PVE.
Just stop crying about getting suckerpunched, or ganked. In EVE it happens if your not smart. You can also take precaution to keep yourself safe. EVE is realistic like that.
If I want arena matches I'll play Guild Wars, or COD4.
I want a sandbox with the freedom for me to get into the game as a persistant world. All this safe PVP forced fair is EXACTLY what will keep me from the game.
I have no offense against those who want safe forced to be equal PVP, just lets all stop going on and on that every game has to accomidate every damn taste in the whole freakin world because no matter how many corporate round table meetings all these white collar buisnessmen have this will never happen.
We need our Niche games please.
You are absolutely right m8. most people lack imagination or the skill to be any where approaching good in a mmog/life /anything even. They want the medal without the effort and PVP is no different. It reminds me of when i was 5 and you would go t oa party. most of the kids would always be a looser and the birthday boys mum would let them win so they felt good about themselves. It like a collective win at the expense of genuine competition.
Game developers need to have the confidence to create sandboxes and let us play in them, let the mevolve - only intervenning in exceptional situations. It is the way wow manages the game and encourages so many tossers and lazy inept unimaginative loosers to keep on being tossers and loosers thats going to screw the genre for a long time becasue it is setting a very big precident.
and to all the tossers that play mmog - you will truly know you have grown up and become a adult or if you are already an adult, a decent self sufficinet one, when you can stand on your own two feet and accpet other people are different and have different skills and approaches to life , wow the universe and everything and your narrow cry to mummy atitude is just plain childish. MMOGs shouldnt be police states they should be virgin untamed territory where you have to have something about yourself to survive and prosper rather than a cry wolf mentality akin to a baby throwing their toys out of their pram.
Anyone who has played in a pretty much unpoliced mmog will know that the community/majority of players are very capable of managing extremes and effectively keeping the lid on disruptive/unhelpful gameplay styles without having to erradicate them.
Gankers, conmen, pvpers and allround scum can still play and their antics make mmog more interesting and challenging an the yrarely if ever get the upper hand in lightly policed games..
Also - to my mind any player that knowingly selects to play on a NORMAL or non pvp server is a very sad case indeed unless they are doing so to be with a bunch of established friends. how can anyone reconcile playing a fantasy war/fighting based mmog and set out to have their game knee capped at the basic level of competance to be able to handle some unwanted pvp once in a while ? They should be ashamed of themselves and bliz should be ashmaed of calling these servers "Normal" instead of some thing like "Im too shit to play the game in the spirit it is intended"
Caveat Emptor
Thunderballs obviously didn't play from day one launch. I left WoW because of people with attitudes just like his.
I agree with your most points
no pvp no wow
i do like wow. it's the only morpg game i ever play.
i love instance anyway, cause it would offer you great happiness when you kill the boss with your team together! actually, sometimes it even took us more than 3 hours to go through an instance, but i do love our guild