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Video is showing they have a 3D engine but...
rascalcmos
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...What else?
I'm not saying that nothing else is coded based on the video...just pointing out that environments+3D engine is but a very small part in a MMORPG...(UI,NPC, Quests, Mobs, Crafting, Gameplay, etc...I mean it's like what?...10% done so far ?!)
If it took that many years to get to that point, are you not afraid that this very 3D engine will be totally obsolete when(if?) this game is finished one day?
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Well you really can't judge how complete the game is from this video. In lineage 2 for example every once in awhile the NPC server would crash and even though the game was still playable there were no Mobs/NPCs in the game world, just other players. If you were in a remote area when this happened the game world looked very much like this video. This test video is only to show off the environments and the server that implements the NPCs may have been just turned off for this purpose.
Bren
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I hope that’s true and the developers do release many more “test” videos this year showing a lot more to prove these doubts as being unwarranted.
But its unfortunate that we are forced to make these type of excuses, justifications and assumption’s on behalf of the developers in order to be positive.
I understand why this game get so much hatred towards them.
But is there any proof that they actully have been lieing. Any at all (except for beta and release date but you cant guess the future things change)
There is nosense at all saying half the stuff the trolls post.
The devs have stated When they rebuilt the engine the first time it can handle any new tech that comes out (or be upgraded with it) its a dynamic engine so they could have aoc type graphics if they wanted too. But then a zoneless world would be impossible with big battles.
So will you just chill
The onus is on the developers to provide proof for there claims, not the skeptics or critics to provide proof of there’s because its impossible to prove a negative.
So the extraordinary claims the developers have been making for many years can only be proven by themselves providing extraordinary evidence to substantiate them, until that evidence is provided people will continue to be skeptical especially considering the past history of this games development.
If you are willing (or naïve enough in my opinion) to except everything the developers have said (but failed to prove) as fact then that’s your decision, that does not mean that others who require substantial evidence to support those claims before they start believing them are wrong to do so.
Some of us just require extraordinary evidence before we start believing extraordinary claims.
Well i have no other reason to believe there lieing really like there not really advertising there game
look how AOC is doing there saying this and that
but according to the beta user its well over hyped and the game isnt even near ocmplete
AOc isnt the game there pr departmeant is making it out ot be
Darkfall devs would be stupid to try and pr that much its a waste of money that can go toward devolopmeant of the game.
Hell they dont even try to disprove the vapor rumors they ignore it. That tells me thats there being fairly honest.
How hard did thrones of chaos (other titles too) try to prove his game wasnt vapor you got to look at it at a diffrent angle i mean if the devs where out in force trying to defend there game then i would be bit more speculative than i am . But We will see ok please relax. there is no point in us fighting over such stupid things it makes us look like 5 year old kids fighting over a toy ..
I dont mind your post so much because your post as an opinion not like you know 100% fact that there lieing. your just being safe and not hyping your self If it happens to be vapor it not going to hurt me any anyways. also you dont post something and then try to make a topic about it to get attention : /
My biggest "proof" of believing the DF devs are the fact they still works on the game. They couldent care less what happends in the world. Look at SOE, when WoW come they changed SWG...just to fit the "market".
Aventurine dont care what anyone thinks about them. And thats gives my biggest respect for them. I really hate when other devs try to "sell" a MMO by showing alot of crap and saying their WoW copyd crafting system is so uniqe.
Aventurine dont consist of stupid people. They exactly know what people would say about the lack of NPCs and mobs in that video.....but did they care? Nope.
I agree
Bren
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If they had mobs and NPC's in the game, then they would have shown them in the video. It makes no sense to take all of them out every time you show a video.
So i think its safe to assume that they have a long way to go on this game.
No Assumptions or excuses needed here. All I was stating is the simple fact that there are just to many things we don't know about how this video was made to jump to conclusions about how complete the game is. The simple truth is that none of us really know and this video doesn't prove or disprove a thing really. It's just a nice little test video showing a few environments and we have no choice but to take it at face value and not try to guess at things this video doesn't show as there are many factors that could account for these things not being there. To quote Joe Friday, "Just the facts Ma'am".Bren
Based on your logic of "just the facts" we can't assume they have npcs and mobs in the game yet, since we haven't seen them. All we know for sure is they have some nice landscapes created, but no real idea what it contains. (and no, I don't count the year old combat video as part of the proof, since they seem to be redesigning things quite recently)
Let's hope they do a better job on the next video.
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Bren
Based on your logic of "just the facts" we can't assume they have npcs and mobs in the game yet, since we haven't seen them. All we know for sure is they have some nice landscapes created, but no real idea what it contains. (and no, I don't count the year old combat video as part of the proof, since they seem to be redesigning things quite recently)
Let's hope they do a better job on the next video.
Never said they did have mobs or NPCs. All I said is we don't know either way so judging the level of completion of the game from this video is in no way possible. The only fact we know for sure is that we just don't know and any other claims are just conjecture and guesses. Those are the facts. I too hope that they release something very soon with a little more of the actual game world as it will look to the players with Mobs/NPCs. These test videos are all fine and good but if they want to generate any level of mainstream excitement for this game they need to back up their claims a little.Make no mistake, I'm not a DF fanboi or Hater. I like the concepts they have proposed for Darkfall and would really like to play it but I'm saving my final judgment for the day I can log in myself or the project gets shelved. Only then will I decide if it's the MMO they claim it to be, if it's crap or even worse, if it's vaporware.
Bren
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I think it safe to say you have no clue what your talking about.
Bren
Based on your logic of "just the facts" we can't assume they have npcs and mobs in the game yet, since we haven't seen them. All we know for sure is they have some nice landscapes created, but no real idea what it contains. (and no, I don't count the year old combat video as part of the proof, since they seem to be redesigning things quite recently)
Let's hope they do a better job on the next video.
Unless everyone is blind theres alot of screen shots with npcs and mobsso logic would tell you they shut them off for the vid
I agree, given the recent videos and screenshots the haters are definatly starting to back-off, the most recent thing they come up with is that the game is made with torque advanced (Yes, pathetic i know lol).
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
I think it safe to say you have no clue what your talking about.
oh great , another person who registered this week , talking nonsense.
Unless everyone is blind theres alot of screen shots with npcs and mobsso logic would tell you they shut them off for the vid
There is nothing recent. And they have made a lot of changes to the game. If they were in the game, why wouldn't they want to show them off? You make no sense at all
so logic would tell you they shut them off for the vid
There is nothing recent, and they have made a lot of changes to the game. If they were in the game, why wouldn't they want to show them off? You make no sense at all
Exactly. Screenshots != to recent videos. No valid reason to turn them off for this video, and plenty of reasons that I can imagine why they would.
I will always remain skeptical as long as Aventurine continues to operate in a manner that is inconsistent and illogical to good game development and promotion.
Of course its their right to do so, just as its mine to criticize it as I see fit.
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To counter your silly statement, can you throw out proof that darkfall's devs arnt stupid? what about throwning out some evidence that ALL of those other companies' staffs are stupid?
I myself dont believe any game makers are stupid. Just some have successful ideas, others dont.
Good rule of thumb, dont make generalized statements, they dont really add any weight to your opinions. just make people look foolish.
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Excellent point.
But you managed to completely miss my point. I was just saying the DF devs are fully aware of all material they show in the last video or screenshots. They know there isnt any NPCs or mobs in that video. They didnt go "omg" when they saw our posts. They choose to show that material for a reason.
And i even think they have NPCs and mobs ingame already.
The game isn't about pve while it will have it to attract noobs for me to kill its mainly about pvp I don't think the community df devs are trying to reach give a shit about mobs. The graphics do not matter all that matters is i can kill you without penalty and take all your shit and burn your city period.
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so logic would tell you they shut them off for the vid
There is nothing recent, and they have made a lot of changes to the game. If they were in the game, why wouldn't they want to show them off? You make no sense at all
Exactly. Screenshots != to recent videos. No valid reason to turn them off for this video, and plenty of reasons that I can imagine why they would.
I will always remain skeptical as long as Aventurine continues to operate in a manner that is inconsistent and illogical to good game development and promotion.
Of course its their right to do so, just as its mine to criticize it as I see fit.
Please explain what you mean by operate in a manner that is inconsistent and illogical to good game development and promotion?
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What you seem to have a hard time understanding is that gamedevelopers have different ways and means in how too promote and hype there game. The reality gamecompanies live under varies alot. Blizzard and Aventurine SA is as example two companies with total different realities. Some is already the wealthy and successful company that can put fantasie sums on promoting there games. Some have to focus on making a good game first and let the game more or less speak for itself. I dont worry much that if a game like Darkfall delivers there will be less subscribers playing the game cause they didnt promote the game enough. If Darkfall is as good as i hope, it will spread like a wildfire among players.
A good example of a game that i think will be a total failure is Age of Conan. They have put loads of adverticising money on a total crap game. It will take a really, really long time for AoC developers to make any income on that game, if ever.
So for a smaller company as Aventurine id say they is making the only possible approach, first put all workload and money on making a good game, then make some promoting and let the game talk for itself.
Thanks Ghoul, you make my job easy. Also, in the past year or more they've stopped going to the major game conventions/dev conferences. Heck, Earthrise, which is being developed by a company in almost the exact same situation as Aventurine (the parallels are scary actually) has already exceeded DF in terms of successful promotion and marketing, and w/o spending millions of dollars. (and, they are at recent Dev conferences)
Bold statements about not needing publishers (most successful games these days have one), not communicating well even on their own company forums, much less in the outside world (one email every two weeks to warcry hardly counts), virtually no recent videos to display the game in an era where any 14 year with fraps can make a great one etc etc.
No, pretty much, DF is breaking almost all the rules to successful game development. Until its released we won't know if their "strategy" holds water or not.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
All of you on both sides of this argument are reading a lot into this video that simply just isn't there. Saying that they do or don't have NPCs/Mobs from a test video is just a guess at best as we just don't know. You guys never cease to amuse me with your bantering however so please continue.
As to judging the completion level of the game from a test video I think it's best to admit that it's not possible and move on.
Whether or not AoC will be a success or failure remains to be seen as well. I do however feel that the debate over that belongs in the AoC forum and not here.
Bren
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