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Will SLI/crossfire Help??
trinityNITRO
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Hey Guys,
I noticed a lot of people posting the "can my system run Aoc threads" and I thought maybe I could get some feedback on the whole SLI thing. First I will say I've always been a console gamer. I just made my first Gaming PC back in November (inspired by Age of Conan) and I have 4GB Corsair Ram, Core 2 Duo 6850 3ghz processor, an nvidia 680i motherboard, The awesome 10,000rpm raptor x harddrive, and 2 8800 GT's (Superclocked Edition) in SLI mode. So you can see that my question is: WILL THE SLI REALLY MATTER? I've already had some people tell me that I wasted my money on the second 8800 GT. What do you think?? Will I actually see a performance boost running 2 8800's in SLI mode?? Also, if it will make a difference how much of a difference?? And, finally, will the Windows Vista Service Pack that's coming out this week boost my performance at all? If it matters I am running Windows Vista 64 bit OS. Any help is appreciated!
Sincerely Yours, Mr. Noob PC Gamer
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I get a 50-70% improvement on most games.
Oh yes, SLI is going to give you a huge performace boost. You should be able to run Conan on full setting with that Rig.
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The only potential limitation would be how well AoC is tuned for SLI. It's not a given that a game will benefit from dual video cards. There seems to be some strange alchemy required of the drivers and/or coding. And it's still an unknown (outside of beta) just how high the graphics can be cranked.
Maybe a 30% increase in fps, it really depends on how well optimized the game is for SLI. The 8800 GTs are alright in SLI but they don't scale as well as the 9600 GT does in SLI.
10% to 30% increase at most if they made it to take advantage of SLI.
How much you benefit from SLI ultimately depends on how optimized AoC is for taking advantage of SLI. Regardless you should see some improvement and I don't think its fair to say you wasted money on the second one. You should see some benefit and if you had the money why not?
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I hope the devs let us know if we will get a boost. I purchased a quad core over the core 2 duo. Out of the box core 2 duo usually is faster however what my buddy and I will do is overcloak our quad cores. The larger L2 cache will give us a big boost over the core 2 duos
I also got an sli board but went with the 780i and pci express 2. Got an 8800 card in it
Waiting to see the stats for the 9800x2 before I buy another 8800 to drop in here
You didnt mention what monitor you have with your set-up,SLI will only show really big improvement if you are running it with a 22",24"etc monitor for higher resolution,You will notice maybe alittle improved FPS but in all honesty running 1 8800GT will be more than enough to max out all setting's on AoC,So if you only have maybe a 19" or 20" monitor then your friends where right it was really a waste of cash unless you have somemore for a new monitor also
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one 8800GT = max settings on AoC? lol comon...FPS count too u know. sure u could set everything to max with ANY video card really. but 3FPS kinda, really sucks. u will NOT achieve a comfortable level of FPS with one 8800GT. it'll be 1 or 2 generations of vid cards, or 3-way sli b4 u'll be able to run max-everything with 60fps. gg
Ignore anyone saying that SLI/Crossfire adds a huge performance boost, it really doesn't. For only double the cost of your graphics card you get a whopping 20% improvement in frame rates at upper resolutions.
For SLI/CrossFire 1+1=1.2
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Actually 3870x2 is a big boost over 1. Problem is 3870x2 usually loses shootouts to 1 8800
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-radeon-hd3870-x2_12.html
Sorry I meant its not much faster then 1 nvidia card that is like half the price. -edit
Dual video card solutions are usually overrated, because you have to spend twice your money to get a 10-30% performance increase. But just like the "extreme" Intel processors, if you must have the highest possible performance, you really have no other choice.
EDIT: You can usually get more "bang for your buck" getting a faster single card. I would have gone with a single 8800GTS 512 instead of 2 8800GTs in SLI. You would have saved a good bit of money and not had to worry about SLI optimization, you would get at least a small performance increase in any game.
Yeah the 8800 GTS 512mb runs like a champ I love mine.
I would wait on the new nvidia 9800 before upgrading to 2 8800s. I have the 3 way sli board but running two cards is like a last resort for me
Yes, there is a Developer post somewhere that says most people with one decent video card will get like 30-60fps. With dual SLI/Crossfire you will get 100fps, so that should answer your question easily enough.
Your friends that told you, you wasted you're money are r-tarded and just jealous. Anyone with half a gamers brain would congratulate you and say good choice. You are now ready for most of the games for 2008-2009 and will not need to upgrade.
You will be dancing circles around others with one video card.
I personally just bought two of the new Nvidia 9600's that just got released.
I didn't no that AoC was optimized for quadcore ? How come you and your buddy can't overclock a dualcore ?
And another note to you people, yea you only need decent FPS. 25 is most frames per second your eye can catch so if you are playing a game on 120 FPS or 25 FPS it will look the same to you. You do not need best card on the market to play the games and Im guessing even a 8600 might play on high.
To the OP: Yea SLI will boost you performance somewhat but I think it would be a much better solution if you got one 8800GTS/GTX. You couldve even bought a 3870x2(best card on the market).
@ jimmy123 : AoC wont be optimized to use quad cores, but will be able to use full potential of dual cores. It says so on the official AoC site.
And another note to you people, yea you only need decent FPS. 25 is most frames per second your eye can catch so if you are playing a game on 120 FPS or 25 FPS it will look the same to you. You do not need best card on the market to play the games and Im guessing even a 8600 might play on high.
To the OP: Yea SLI will boost you performance somewhat but I think it would be a much better solution if you got one 8800GTS/GTX. You couldve even bought a 3870x2(best card on the market).
You Sir fail at talking about something you have no clue about - human eye does perceive around 30 fps as fluid animation however 30 fps on computer screen DOES NOT EQUATE with 30 fps you perceive. Back light and motion blur give movies on your TV screen the fluid appearance at 30fps. Computer games lack the natural motion blur and thus achieve the same effect at around 60 fps+.@ jimmy123 : AoC wont be optimized to use quad cores, but will be able to use full potential of dual cores. It says so on the official AoC site.
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My personal experience tells me there is no difference between 25 FPS or 60 FPS it looks and feels the same to me.
Anyways my point was that 8800GT will play AoC on high wiith a decent FPS, not 3 FPS.
Actually the Devs have stated that AoC will take advantage of Quads, if you actually read the FAQ it says that AoC will take advantage of Multi-core CPUs
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Get a quad then just give it a mild overclock, its not that hard to do these days. And yes AoC is supposed to take advantage of quad cores.
Thread enabled app's ftw.
It will be interesting to see how much data this game throws to:from server:client.
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From here: http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&template=content&func_id=2338&table=CONTENT
As for quad-dual core thing: http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=58923
That is the best I could find explaining how quads will work in AoC.
There is no official info on that.
There will be offcourse a support for Quad cores, but the question is will AoC benefit from quad cores or will it act like you have a dual core?
Support means only that you can run the game with quad core but cant use the benefits of 4 cores. Same like using 64 bit processor while playing 32 bit games. You dont use 64 bits but 32.
SLI or x-fire = YOU ARE A NUB
Why ?
Simple the most MOST you'll get from a sli or x-fire config id 30% more VIDEO power. Not 30% better fps or anything like that. (Unless your bottle neck is your vid card, which there a better solution than dual cards).
Take any two cards buy them and add the cost ... then find a good deal on a single card that cost as much as the pervious two... Bingo that single card will almost always out-preform the two. (This only its more true as your system gets older).
So SLI worth it ... not hardly. However, if your thinking of upgrading becuase you already have one card , then its not an awful idea, but still by the time that you can no longer runa game on medium to low settings well you'll NEED a NEW card not two of the POS's that you currently have.
So you ask what is SLI and x-fire for , simple E-peens and thats about it.
(OK once ina while you may find to mid line / lower grade cards on sale for such a GREAT deal thats its not a bad deal. But this is rare.)
PS shadow zero si correct, and shinjin has no clue what he is talking about. OH also sli will not take your comp from 30 fps to 100 nor from 60 fps to 100 (unless your bottle-neck is your video card and still then it would be a FREAKING ACT of GOD.)
Oh the entire fps thing , works kinda like this anywhere above 38 you should be safe, however, if the game is running at 38 then your gonna dip down well under 26 , thus you will see the chop . Also this happens even more with vertical sync OFF. Still the best human eyes can notice very slight indications past a soild 26 fps. Thus you really want to look at your min fps not ur max or adverage.
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In disagree with jet.... kinda.
With SLi (moreso with Crossfire) you will gain fps; however it will only be about 10-15%. So, what is the point? Well, for instance you will get MUCH more smooth FPS. If you have 1 2900 you may peak at about 100ish fps (for example) it will probably average around 70-80. With Crossfire 2900s you will peak at probably 115ish but will average around 90-100. So it is a fairly minute change for the money yes but your will experience much smoother gameplay (and much much better if you box, god forbid). Either way it is an easy upgrade going SLi or crossfire a few months down the year to beaf up your system.
NOTE: WITHOUT A DECENT CPU DO NOT WASTE YOUR $$ ON SLI/XFIRE. A decent Core 2 (6400 or better yet 6600 or at least an AMD 5600) should be used to gain the benefit for SLi/xfire and of course No less then 2 gigs of ram (preff high latency).
Keep in mind you will only gain about 15% in power from going geforce 8800GTS to a 8800 GTX so either way the $100 - $300 extra will be up to you.
The thing is all of those fps are way above what you'll be able to notice, so regardless if those are the fps hes getting he'll not notice a thing. Other than that tibbz you pretty much said what i was saying sorry if i did not put it clear enough , however i was addressing the usefulness of SLI/x-fire when you would acctually need them (when your card / system is not pulling 60+ fps).
I was not saying you will not get more fps only that it does not double your fps or anything like that.
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