Just wait for fallen earth, that's your best bet. I'd send you to SWG as it is by far the most sophisticated and complex crafting any MMO has developed but at it's current status there is no reason for crafters and SOE isn't doing anything to help the crafting community, in fact telling them right out they will do nothing about it. Looted gear is far superior then anything a crafter can make. Way back when in a galaxy far far away when the game just opened you would of had a blast and the best time of your life as a crafter, I loved every moment being an architect and then switching to armorsmith, smuggler was fun and unique, sigh the good ol days. Anyway ya eve had a good system so if you've done that just wait out for fallen earth.
EQ2's crafting system is sub-par its not advanced as they make it seem its a series of rolls of hits and misses until you create a certain tier of that item, and if your truly unlucky or under skilled by your crafting lvl you will fail the creation completely. But its more the same, same item pick ups with no difference in stats or quality, only thing that's different is the tier of the item they will have a different dps if weapon or better armor stats, more duration for items you get the idea.
Hope that saves you from the uncounted hours that it would take to patch the trial to it's current status normally at least a 5+ hr download on a high-speed internet such as cable.
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Yes you can try out the first tier of crafting in the tutorial island. Given the lacking in population there and the ample supply of ore, you can easily craft you way thru. Unfortunately you cannot go beyond the first tier in the tutorial island.
I do not know what trial you are in, some of the trial packages are restricted to the tutorial islands.
The greatest crafting game of all time is 'A Tale in the Desert 2' The game revolves around crafting. You can even craft your own art works. Its a pretty good game.
Don't know if its still running.
After that is Eve which as you know is pretty indepth.
Pirates of the Burning Sea has an in depth crafting system. The only problem is that it takes time to accumulate man hours and thus a production only char will be doing other things like hauling etc.
I never got too far with Wurm but it seemed to have a pretty good crafting system. Much better than other games I've tried, at least. You can play for free but your skills are maxed at 20, which prevents you from creating some things. Plenty of time to see how the crafting system works before deciding whether to subscribe, though.
I'm thinking of giving a vanguard another try. With my new computer, at least it will run better. Thanks for all of your opinions and replies. It has given me a couple ideas of things to do. May even download EQ II's trial and try that out as well.
Lineage 2 has the best crafting that I have seen so far. The Dwarfs are the crafting race in the game which have 2 different crafting classes. You can be a Spoiler Class which have skills for farming materials from mobs or you can be the Crafter Class that actually craft the weapons but they need the mats from the Spoiler Class so both classes are needed for crafting.
Lineage 2 has the best crafting that I have seen so far. The Dwarfs are the crafting race in the game which have 2 different crafting classes. You can be a Spoiler Class which have skills for farming materials from mobs or you can be the Crafter Class that actually craft the weapons but they need the mats from the Spoiler Class so both classes are needed for crafting.
I don't like the grind in L2, not to mention needing another character logged in to actually play like the rest of the people that do it. Never really saw crafting it as I only did the trial long ago. I'm not into grindfests. I understand it will take awhile to level, and that is fine,but making it take weeks if not months to get 1 level for a hardcore player is just silly and a waste of time.
Do you just want to craft for fun? Or you want to be a crafter where your output matters?
If you only want to craft for fun, find a game in which there are few players, or a server with few players. That way you have less competition for input (mining or whatever). I am not kidding, I have been in games in which I find it harder to find a rare ore than to kill the rare dragon.
If you want a game in which your output makes a difference, you need a game in which the drop is not super uber, and there are enough people to buy your stuffs, and preferrably there is fast item decay so people keeps needing your items. Now I am thinking of pre-CU SWG, but that is long gone.
Personally, i like to craft to make a difference. I personally love working on projects iwth others, things that are bigger the myself to do. In horizons for instance, i remember being a mason for a good while building housing with a group of people. I really did enjoy that. Sadly, there aren't many games like that anymore. I did hear though that vanguard is got something similar to that so that is why I'm going to give it another go. Eve is the closest I have found to it, as building capital ships takes more then 1 person, or it will take you weeks to just build the materials needed for the 2 week process of building the ship.
By far what you are looking for is A tale in the Desert.. or Horizons of Istaria.. next would have been Ryzom but it is dead now... then maybe Irth online..also dead...then Ultima Online...I would definalty suggest A tale in the Desert it is exactly what your looking for!
I still think Horizons has the most complex and fulfilling crafting systems in the market today.
It even has a slew of professions devoted specific to crafting that you level up. IE. Carpenter, Blacksmith, Tailor so on, so when other player examine you they see level 40 carpenter, and when you examine them they are like 40 warrior. Cool part is you aren't even limited to just one. A single character can master them all given he puts the time in, which takes a while.....
I played Horizons about a year as a dragon. It may be dated, and not the most attractive graphically on the market today, but the crafting is top notch.
EvE is part of that set of games that doesn't have any crafting at all, only a wow style click go and wait mechanism. The computer crafts for you. What EvE is strong with is its economy, not its crafting.
A tale in the desert is crafter orientated (thats all it is actually), so is Roma Victor to a lesser extent.. both those titles are not very popular though.. atitd is old, and rv is buggy and alpha-client like.
Vanguard has crafting, although people who do it likely do it just for the fun of doing it, not much point ultimately, unless you are into the rest of the game. Eq2 also has something of crafting. SWG has some form of crafting, although mostly a click n wait mechanism, the materials inputted changes the quality of the output so there's a bit of something there (again some probably wouldn't see a point in doing it other than fun)
AO has something like crafting, assembling various parts to make different products (drag n dropping them together, etc), and is free for the basic stuff..
Second Life (not really an mmo game, though it contains some among other things) has some very deep 'crafting', where you actually shape the object geometry then apply script code to it to make it do something.. but thats mostly creating objects in the world, not your traditional mmo crafting items.. Might be of some interest though.
Most of the stuff out there is wow-like click n go though.
Isn't crafting in vanguard pointless? From what i've read, (doesn't make it true) crafted items don't stack up next to looted items, and the complexity with all the failures really makes it worthless to do. I did try Vanguard a while ago, and from what i remember hearing from alot of people in Martok, that it was pointless for me to bother doing it. Maybe if you play you could shed some light on this.
It is not pointless and it never was. Vanguard has the best crafting system currently on market in my opinion.
At every level crafted items are a bit better than quest/drops. Even in end-game. Keep that in mind.
Crafting is deep and complex. You have dusts that you can add to production and basically can do any combination as you wish. Apart from that you have 4 crafting attributes and 10 crafting skills. Each you can increase but no all on max. So you actually have different crafting builds.
In the end: crafting in VG offers infinite number of items to make because of the dust customization + you have different crafter builds + totally independant from adventuring (you can be level 50 crafter and still didn't kill a rat) + you have tons of varius tools and utilites to take care of + it's an actual minigame, not just a casting bar.
Yea, i'm noticing that. I just finished the tutorial on crafting in vanguard, and it is fun. I'm starting to get dishearted in Vanguard though, as everyone that is online, is complaining and bitching about this that and the other thing about the game. I have no idea what they are talking about at the moment, as i'm only 5, but the local chat i'm in is just complain complain complain. Not sure if they changed something, or what, but it has made alot of folks unhappy. I have an account with RV, and refuse to play it as it is buggy as anything I've ever played, and works when it wants too. That and there are 15 people online maybe at a time is a very discouraging fact. Horizons I have always liked, just can't play it unless I go out and buy windows xp for my computer. It doesn't work with vista, and that is what I have. If they fix that, I may try it again. ATITD isn't too bad, I tried it when it was like II, haven't really bothered since then. The crafting was really intense, and was nice, but I did notice a hint of people being rude to newer players and putting them down. Luckily, i stayed away from most people so I didn't have to see it too often. I only saw it when I was traveling through busy areas of the game. Maybe I should give that a try again too.
Just because the same 10 people are bitching on general chat in VG about every change that's going to happen doesn't mean the community is unhappy with the situation. Seriously, the general chat contains everyone on the continent, so that may be 500-600 people at any time. If 10 people decide to present their very respected opinions, it doesn't mean the whole community agrees with them.
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does the EQ 2 trial have the ability to craft at all? I would kind of like to see how it works before i invest the 40 bucks to get the game.
I suggest Wurm Online. Anything anyone can make is useful.
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
Just wait for fallen earth, that's your best bet. I'd send you to SWG as it is by far the most sophisticated and complex crafting any MMO has developed but at it's current status there is no reason for crafters and SOE isn't doing anything to help the crafting community, in fact telling them right out they will do nothing about it. Looted gear is far superior then anything a crafter can make. Way back when in a galaxy far far away when the game just opened you would of had a blast and the best time of your life as a crafter, I loved every moment being an architect and then switching to armorsmith, smuggler was fun and unique, sigh the good ol days. Anyway ya eve had a good system so if you've done that just wait out for fallen earth.
EQ2's crafting system is sub-par its not advanced as they make it seem its a series of rolls of hits and misses until you create a certain tier of that item, and if your truly unlucky or under skilled by your crafting lvl you will fail the creation completely. But its more the same, same item pick ups with no difference in stats or quality, only thing that's different is the tier of the item they will have a different dps if weapon or better armor stats, more duration for items you get the idea.
Hope that saves you from the uncounted hours that it would take to patch the trial to it's current status normally at least a 5+ hr download on a high-speed internet such as cable.
Yes you can try out the first tier of crafting in the tutorial island. Given the lacking in population there and the ample supply of ore, you can easily craft you way thru. Unfortunately you cannot go beyond the first tier in the tutorial island.
I do not know what trial you are in, some of the trial packages are restricted to the tutorial islands.
The greatest crafting game of all time is 'A Tale in the Desert 2' The game revolves around crafting. You can even craft your own art works. Its a pretty good game.
Don't know if its still running.
After that is Eve which as you know is pretty indepth.
Pirates of the Burning Sea has an in depth crafting system. The only problem is that it takes time to accumulate man hours and thus a production only char will be doing other things like hauling etc.
I never got too far with Wurm but it seemed to have a pretty good crafting system. Much better than other games I've tried, at least. You can play for free but your skills are maxed at 20, which prevents you from creating some things. Plenty of time to see how the crafting system works before deciding whether to subscribe, though.
And o/ Zillaby, another TGRAD here (Jacus).
I'm thinking of giving a vanguard another try. With my new computer, at least it will run better. Thanks for all of your opinions and replies. It has given me a couple ideas of things to do. May even download EQ II's trial and try that out as well.
Lineage 2 has the best crafting that I have seen so far. The Dwarfs are the crafting race in the game which have 2 different crafting classes. You can be a Spoiler Class which have skills for farming materials from mobs or you can be the Crafter Class that actually craft the weapons but they need the mats from the Spoiler Class so both classes are needed for crafting.
Blessings,
MMO migrant.
I don't like the grind in L2, not to mention needing another character logged in to actually play like the rest of the people that do it. Never really saw crafting it as I only did the trial long ago. I'm not into grindfests. I understand it will take awhile to level, and that is fine,but making it take weeks if not months to get 1 level for a hardcore player is just silly and a waste of time.
Do you just want to craft for fun? Or you want to be a crafter where your output matters?
If you only want to craft for fun, find a game in which there are few players, or a server with few players. That way you have less competition for input (mining or whatever). I am not kidding, I have been in games in which I find it harder to find a rare ore than to kill the rare dragon.
If you want a game in which your output makes a difference, you need a game in which the drop is not super uber, and there are enough people to buy your stuffs, and preferrably there is fast item decay so people keeps needing your items. Now I am thinking of pre-CU SWG, but that is long gone.
Personally, i like to craft to make a difference. I personally love working on projects iwth others, things that are bigger the myself to do. In horizons for instance, i remember being a mason for a good while building housing with a group of people. I really did enjoy that. Sadly, there aren't many games like that anymore. I did hear though that vanguard is got something similar to that so that is why I'm going to give it another go. Eve is the closest I have found to it, as building capital ships takes more then 1 person, or it will take you weeks to just build the materials needed for the 2 week process of building the ship.
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By far what you are looking for is A tale in the Desert.. or Horizons of Istaria.. next would have been Ryzom but it is dead now... then maybe Irth online..also dead...then Ultima Online...I would definalty suggest A tale in the Desert it is exactly what your looking for!
I still think Horizons has the most complex and fulfilling crafting systems in the market today.
It even has a slew of professions devoted specific to crafting that you level up. IE. Carpenter, Blacksmith, Tailor so on, so when other player examine you they see level 40 carpenter, and when you examine them they are like 40 warrior. Cool part is you aren't even limited to just one. A single character can master them all given he puts the time in, which takes a while.....
I played Horizons about a year as a dragon. It may be dated, and not the most attractive graphically on the market today, but the crafting is top notch.
That would be my suggestion hope it helps.
EvE is part of that set of games that doesn't have any crafting at all, only a wow style click go and wait mechanism. The computer crafts for you. What EvE is strong with is its economy, not its crafting.
A tale in the desert is crafter orientated (thats all it is actually), so is Roma Victor to a lesser extent.. both those titles are not very popular though.. atitd is old, and rv is buggy and alpha-client like.
Vanguard has crafting, although people who do it likely do it just for the fun of doing it, not much point ultimately, unless you are into the rest of the game. Eq2 also has something of crafting. SWG has some form of crafting, although mostly a click n wait mechanism, the materials inputted changes the quality of the output so there's a bit of something there (again some probably wouldn't see a point in doing it other than fun)
AO has something like crafting, assembling various parts to make different products (drag n dropping them together, etc), and is free for the basic stuff..
Second Life (not really an mmo game, though it contains some among other things) has some very deep 'crafting', where you actually shape the object geometry then apply script code to it to make it do something.. but thats mostly creating objects in the world, not your traditional mmo crafting items.. Might be of some interest though.
Most of the stuff out there is wow-like click n go though.
At every level crafted items are a bit better than quest/drops. Even in end-game. Keep that in mind.
Crafting is deep and complex. You have dusts that you can add to production and basically can do any combination as you wish. Apart from that you have 4 crafting attributes and 10 crafting skills. Each you can increase but no all on max. So you actually have different crafting builds.
In the end: crafting in VG offers infinite number of items to make because of the dust customization + you have different crafter builds + totally independant from adventuring (you can be level 50 crafter and still didn't kill a rat) + you have tons of varius tools and utilites to take care of + it's an actual minigame, not just a casting bar.
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Yea, i'm noticing that. I just finished the tutorial on crafting in vanguard, and it is fun. I'm starting to get dishearted in Vanguard though, as everyone that is online, is complaining and bitching about this that and the other thing about the game. I have no idea what they are talking about at the moment, as i'm only 5, but the local chat i'm in is just complain complain complain. Not sure if they changed something, or what, but it has made alot of folks unhappy. I have an account with RV, and refuse to play it as it is buggy as anything I've ever played, and works when it wants too. That and there are 15 people online maybe at a time is a very discouraging fact. Horizons I have always liked, just can't play it unless I go out and buy windows xp for my computer. It doesn't work with vista, and that is what I have. If they fix that, I may try it again. ATITD isn't too bad, I tried it when it was like II, haven't really bothered since then. The crafting was really intense, and was nice, but I did notice a hint of people being rude to newer players and putting them down. Luckily, i stayed away from most people so I didn't have to see it too often. I only saw it when I was traveling through busy areas of the game. Maybe I should give that a try again too.
Just because the same 10 people are bitching on general chat in VG about every change that's going to happen doesn't mean the community is unhappy with the situation. Seriously, the general chat contains everyone on the continent, so that may be 500-600 people at any time. If 10 people decide to present their very respected opinions, it doesn't mean the whole community agrees with them.
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