Cheating non-existant? Never. Hacking and botting is what makes KO, KO. Guess whos selling you most of your Armor/weapons? Thats right, a botter that farmed for days to get it.
I would say it's the level 70+ guys that is selling me most of my weapons and armors. Things that drop from the werevoles and such farmed by the gold farmers are just to weak for me.
Also, refer to my first post saying cheating is close to non-existant. There will always be cheaters in whatever game you go. K2 just stepped up to it's game and decided to take care of what was their problems in the past.
I'm very interested...how exactly did the Turkish mess up the game? Sounds like everyone hates them lol.
They ruin the game because they overcrowd all of the servers so it's harder to get on. Bitching about it though is a waste of time beens the game was made in turkey and the people complaining are retarted
I'm very interested...how exactly did the Turkish mess up the game? Sounds like everyone hates them lol.
They ruin the game because they overcrowd all of the servers so it's harder to get on. Bitching about it though is a waste of time beens the game was made in turkey and the people complaining are retarted
u are wrong. the game was made by a korean company. and the reason why the ppl are angry at the turkish players is because to many of them are cheaters and also much of them dont have a good behavior
Yup, the game was originaly made by Mgame, a company situated in Korea. K2 Network bought the rights to host servers.
What's funny about the Turkish issue is that even the mature ones hate the immature ones. They think like us that they are ruining the game. The adults are pretty mature and they can become good friends over time. Most of the teens cheats.
I'm very interested...how exactly did the Turkish mess up the game? Sounds like everyone hates them lol.
honestly you cant hate the turks for crowding a server, thats kind of unfair. the reason people hate turks in mmos is for the overwhelming majority of them that dont act right.
They beg...ALOT.. you get private chat in broken english demanding equipment and money all the time, thne they quickly cuss you out in broken english
turks bring a level of cheating that goes much beyond what gold farmers and normal botters do, its as if they all cheat...not sure why really.
so the reasons people dont like turks in mmo's is for the insane amount of cheating and their terrible/disgusting attitude toward others.
look what happend to silkroad, exactly the same thing that went down in KO...exactly....and silkroad is a majority turkish, for some reason.
so...no offence to turks, but in an mmo, they ruin the game for everyone
I'm very interested...how exactly did the Turkish mess up the game? Sounds like everyone hates them lol.
honestly you cant hate the turks for crowding a server, thats kind of unfair. the reason people hate turks in mmos is for the overwhelming majority of them that dont act right.
They beg...ALOT.. you get private chat in broken english demanding equipment and money all the time, thne they quickly cuss you out in broken english
turks bring a level of cheating that goes much beyond what gold farmers and normal botters do, its as if they all cheat...not sure why really.
so the reasons people dont like turks in mmo's is for the insane amount of cheating and their terrible/disgusting attitude toward others.
look what happend to silkroad, exactly the same thing that went down in KO...exactly....and silkroad is a majority turkish, for some reason.
so...no offence to turks, but in an mmo, they ruin the game for everyone
Agree, but you left out that they do this on servers meant for the U.S.
This adds even more hostility, as they take over servers not even meant for them to play on.
I'm very interested...how exactly did the Turkish mess up the game? Sounds like everyone hates them lol.
honestly you cant hate the turks for crowding a server, thats kind of unfair. the reason people hate turks in mmos is for the overwhelming majority of them that dont act right.
They beg...ALOT.. you get private chat in broken english demanding equipment and money all the time, thne they quickly cuss you out in broken english
turks bring a level of cheating that goes much beyond what gold farmers and normal botters do, its as if they all cheat...not sure why really.
so the reasons people dont like turks in mmo's is for the insane amount of cheating and their terrible/disgusting attitude toward others.
look what happend to silkroad, exactly the same thing that went down in KO...exactly....and silkroad is a majority turkish, for some reason.
so...no offence to turks, but in an mmo, they ruin the game for everyone
Agree, but you left out that they do this on servers meant for the U.S.
This adds even more hostility, as they take over servers not even meant for them to play on.
there is no server for a special country. just international servers and servers for east and west
The original servers are/were based in the U.S. and the game was *supposedly* aimed primarily at the U.S and E.U. What they have now I have no idea.
the servers were for the u.s at the beginin but just a few months later they made it international because they realised the potential of the game in other countries
see i first tried this game after the english speaking server came out recently. it did cut down on the turks but the turks have been replaced wih south americans. i still cant figure out why someone proxies onto a server meant for a languange they dont speak...it blows my mind the logic behind that. you wont see me on a proxy playing a japenses or korean server game, it would be horrible as i dont speak their languages.
also if you guys LOVE turks i reccoment Silkroad online, it lacks the fun PVP that KO had or really anything fun to be honest, but its jam packed with turks. funny thing about this is that SRO has the same exact problems KO had. turks FTW.
I'm sorry, but it seems pretty silly to place the blame on a game's failing because of a single nationality. Looks like the same deal with the Russians in AoC. I mean, damn - it's one thing to say that you've encountered a few bad Turks playing an MMO, but it's an entirely different story when you claim that "Turks," in general, ruin MMORPGs. I guess even nationalism can find itself in games nowadays. I recommend Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra - "On the New Idol" - maybe that will open your eyes.
I'm sorry, but it seems pretty silly to place the blame on a game's failing because of a single nationality. Looks like the same deal with the Russians in AoC. I mean, damn - it's one thing to say that you've encountered a few bad Turks playing an MMO, but it's an entirely different story when you claim that "Turks," in general, ruin MMORPGs. I guess even nationalism can find itself in games nowadays. I recommend Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra - "On the New Idol" - maybe that will open your eyes.
You haven't played that much Knight Online if you don't believe people from one country can ruin a game. The turks behavior in KO is deplorable. When people say they cheat at an insane rate they are not exaggerating, its really that bad. The thing is its not just the cheating, its the way the people treat non turk players. The behavior of the Turkish players I encountered over my time in KO was horrible, Begging nonstop check, Yelling at you in broken english obscenities when you won't give them free stuff check, treating those that aren't Turkish like garbage check.
The odd thing is I saw the same behavior from the turks in Silk Road as well, disrespectful to players of other countries, cheating in every way possible, begging etc. This isn't like its a couple people informing people of the way the turkish players behave very often in MMO's its been brought up for years on these forums and with so many having similar experiences with relation to the turkish people what do you expect?
On top of this Knight Online had more scammers, hackers(hacking accounts, duping, etc) than any mmo I've ever been a part of and when the majority of players are turkish you do the math.
I'm sorry, but it seems pretty silly to place the blame on a game's failing because of a single nationality. Looks like the same deal with the Russians in AoC. I mean, damn - it's one thing to say that you've encountered a few bad Turks playing an MMO, but it's an entirely different story when you claim that "Turks," in general, ruin MMORPGs. I guess even nationalism can find itself in games nowadays. I recommend Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra - "On the New Idol" - maybe that will open your eyes.
The odd thing is I saw the same behavior from the turks in Silk Road as well, disrespectful to players of other countries, cheating in every way possible, begging etc. This isn't like its a couple people informing people of the way the turkish players behave very often in MMO's its been brought up for years on these forums and with so many having similar experiences with relation to the turkish people what do you expect?
On top of this Knight Online had more scammers, hackers(hacking accounts, duping, etc) than any mmo I've ever been a part of and when the majority of players are turkish you do the math.
Ugh. According to your rationale (the "math," as you call it), I can effectively claim that all Americans stupid, lazy and fat. What's wrong with that? I'm using the math like you said - Americans score much lower on international standardized tests and the US has the world's highest obesity rate per capita. I'm hoping that you can see how stupid this hypothetical seems, and apply that to situation at hand. Simply because you spot a few people doing bad things and speaking Turkish at the same time does not imply that the Turkish people "ruin" MMOs - that's just plain ignorance right there.
For those of you who know the Forum Fansite ko4life, you'd know that English players scams as much if not more than any other nationalities.
Yeah, a few can mess up a big groups reputation and that's what the turkish kids are doing. Heck, some turkish adults told me even them, they hate those kids. Like I hate the american kids who scams and cheats also.
The following is long as hell, but KO is such crap it takes pages to list all its shortcomings/reasons it is a terrible choice of game to play.
I have played on Diez server for the last 3+ years (since April 2005) and recently quit this game for good. It simply reached the last straw for me. I amongst many others merely stayed with game as long as I did due to the friends I had made in game..
As regards cheating in this game? It is flagrant. Bifrost? closed due to excessive abuse. In game lettering? Disabled due to bug abuse. Trinas and Tears of K? removed from PUS due to bugging/abuse. Forgotten temple had been disabled at oine time for what, 9 months before being brought back. With these latest measures, K2 has continued dealing with a problem by disabling the entire portion of the game it deals with for vast stretches of time. This is partly because they do not have control over game updates and fixes directly, this however does not change the fact it causes important parts of the game to be removed, making the game much less enjoyable. KO without Bifrost is less of a game for sure..
Why was Bifrost disabled again? Ah yes, because Koxpers were bugging Ultima, the top boss in game and stealing all the drops from the legit players. But not only this, they had reached the point of being so brazen and non fearful of being banned to the point of luring Greeds and other top mobs in Bifrost on people there in attempts to get them xpd and to leave the top dropping mobs in B to themselves.
This kind of thing goes far beyond one part of the game. How about, Felankoir? Isoloon? (the next two best bosses in game, and one of the top sources of unique items in KO) . For quite a few months now they have been farmed in numerous servers by koxpers, 30 or more at a time to as few as 8 depending on how good their macro program is- so that even the top clans are unable to kill these bosses anymore in some servers. The cheaters have even made a program where the bosses and mobs in game no longer hit them back! so they can use lower lvl chars to kill these bosses and mobs in general, and so that normal players cannot lure on them and have them killed while they are afk from their computer/cheating! On top of that they now have made it where the Bosses will ignore all aggro from other players and only follow the koxpers, who then use a wall bug to pull it into a wall and kill it, insuring they get the drop! Meanwhile K2 ludicrously made farming for these 2 bosses bannable on second servers, leaving these same koxpers free to roam there and take down these bosses at will in the second servers. No I am not making any of this up. this game is this poorly managed.. gms are rarely online, and only ban a small number of cheaters, whom can simply turn around and with no IP bans, create a new char and with their macros be back to their spot in minutes after being banned either way.
Meanwhile Moradon (game map for lower lvls)- is overrun completely by goldfarmers, koxpers, etc. same for the Masto spots, Stegos, Cardinals, etc, wherever direct coins can be farmed at faster then average speed in the game. Often in full parties so that competing for these spots are a totally pointless. Again in rare times a gm actually logs online and decides to ban a couple, they simply make a new char and return to the spot within a few minutes (the Gm being long gone by this time).
Then there is the very recent Hellsgarem bug. Which involved the flooding of +9 armors and weapons and +3 uniques into the servers. People such as myself had spent years gearing up , only to have some people abuse a letter hack only known by a few (but abused to the extreme by those same) to bring over items from a PK only server to their main server and be leet geared in 5 minutes. Mwanwhile K2 has not cleaned it up and is likely to NOT clean it up. (even if they did make an attempot after months, the abusers will have long traded their illegit items for in game coin and legit items (or more likely US dollars), so that those who had no hand in the cheat but traded for these items unknowingly will be the only ones punished instead).
Add to this past issues where many people in had lvl bugged to lvl 70 then 80 without punishment, duped and bugged their way to top items leaving legit people in the dust; K2's as always abysmal support; no rollbacks or investigations offered for being hacked ; huge numbers of Speed Hackers running freely in Pk zones for almost as long as anyone can remember without fear of retribution of ban and f'ing up the PK in this game; and K2 now charging 35 bucks! for premium service that allows 100% xp boost over non premium (making anyone who doesn't purchase premium and attempting to lvl blown away by those that do.normal premium choices aren't even adequate anymore with the 25 dollar version a paltry 30% boost by comparison) and yet somehow this game is supposedly improving, and an enjoyable game to play? Seriously don't even try to fool anyone. Anyone who has, or will sadly attempt to play this game in the future will soon know that those who somehow continue to support this bug ridden, expensive and outdated game (seen graphics lately?) are the true fools.
Anyone thinking about playing KO, or pondering returning on empty promises of a better game then in the past, I advise strongly to STAY AWAY. I merely mentioned the things I found to be most annoying. There are MANY more issues then this, from lack of communication, general hostility within the community, to top clans players being overrun with "babashoppers"- top players generally pay at least 1500+ US dollars to gear up in this game (this is besides premium just to log and real game money to purchase PUS items for pots, gloves, scrolls etc each month) . Then there is the mindlessly killing the same mob 12 hours a day for a week straight just to gain one lvl with constant dcs, server restarts etc along the way...is there need to continue (though I could). There are even the most basic misspellings riddled throughout the game after 4+ years for goodness sakes!
GG K2 and a big AQ for you. AMK for you newer Turkeys.
I regret making this thread them months back, the server was real fun for about a month, but then chinese goldfarmers swarmed Moradon, screwing up the market, gems needed for master quest where nearly impossible to get due to drop rate being k2'd.
Then the other matter, not enough English speaking people moved/returned for C-West making it impossible for alot of people to lvl, only my clan indestructablzzzand Fierce where ever in CZ making it pointless to pk except on war days.
The game died for me when ROFD was released I was stupid to think C-West would change it.
Knight Online has the best PVP system I have ever seen, only matched by EVE. However K2 is a worthless company, comparable to Funcom and Sony, and they do not care about the customers. I left KO three years ago and logged on a few months ago to see what the servers were like now and I was shocked. The amount of babashoppers, babamacroers, general stupidity, lag and dc's were insane. The game is simply unplayable without a macro. It's not possible to compete with all the macroers killing worms and this is where K2 shows what kind of a company they are.
mGame have blocked all non-Korean IP's from accessing Korean KO. MyKO is no more as they wouldn't pay mGame. MyKO was once known as MacroKO and Corrupt KO. It was possible to pay the GM's on MyKO and they'd give you whatever you wanted and it was macro heaven. Then years ago Knight Online got turned into Empire Online and the game literally died. 99% of all English speakers left and Turkish became the language on the forums and ingame. Then there were the corrupt GM's and their ingame friends. I remember a guy called DuWolf well. He used to be given max level fully equipped characters by GM's because he had friends in K2 (to me he became the symbol of everything that is wrong with KO). The only real KO English speakers can play on is Japan KO.
Japan KO is amazing. It's quiet, you can play freely without people luring on you as it's a bannable offense, there's no kill stealing as the game is pretty empty. There aren't many patches as there're very few bugs in the game, unlike USKO where K2 and mGame don't get on so the most players can hope for is a patch that will make the grass in Moradon greener. But the game really shines during war. Max level players will log on and the game really shows what it's about. They fight like crazy and it's great fun. JapKo has one major problem though and that's the Japanese are very asocial (racist?) towards non-Japanese. They refuse to talk to you, ignore you and will not party with you unless you have something they want. If you can play with a group of friends and you love KO I would recommend JapKo.
The PVP system in KO is wonderful and I loved PVP until I realised the reason why rogues and warriors can hit 20 times per second is because they all macro. It was so much fun seeing yourself die and not know what hit you. Then of course there were the archers who hit 5 shots and couldn't miss and that's just the start of it. Mages macro'd, priests macro'd, everyone has max level items which get wiped at dupe wipes only to reappear on the market a few days after the wipe.
Why would anyone in their right mind pay or even play a game like this? I have no idea. Waterboarding seems more fun to me than sit behind your screen and watch the game being ripped apart by a company that has no GM's (K2 has very few GM's because banning people will mean less money coming in), a company that is always in conflict with the developer of the game and one that simply defrauds players by charging them twice and then taking months to refund them their money back.
I learned the following last year. K2 is managing five games in total and the company is worth a lot less than $5 million. That should say more than enough about the state of the company and its business practices.
Stay away from Knight Online. Do not waste your time on this game and, as one of the posters above me has said, the game has more problems than anyone could ever list. k2 is not worth a penny, nor are they worth a second of anyones time. I loved KO but would never go back to it, not because I play WOW (I left that game too because Blizzard have no idea what they're doing and the game is horribly imbalanced) or because I play EVE (love it but it's not for everyone) but because I hate K2. There is nothing that would draw me back to the game, absolutely nothing. Even K2 paying me money to play KO wouldn't make me play Macroing Turks Online. I have no problem with Turks but the game is no longer USKO, it is TRKO (Turkey Online) and K2 will do what Sony do: milk it till it's totally dead and to me KO is dead.
I hate K2 and never touch any game they manage again.
Just wanted to clear somethings about Turks playing KO.
99% of the Turk population playing KO are at 8-14 age range. Internet cafe's are full of them. More "mature" players looks down on this crowd and usually don't even interact with them because of the same issues most of you had explained. They cheat, beg (and they beg a lot), grief and do any kind of nasty stuff, simply because its the internet.
Most of the "good" players i know already left KO for other games, mainly WoW, so all thats left for KO is just some silly 12 yr-o kid, buying bronze premium with his lunch money (most Internet Cafe's acts as a middle man for these transactions). I myself haven't logged in to that game in 3 years now.
In Turkey, KO kinda became like what Starcraft is for Koreans right now. Only difference is, target audiance is a lot younger/immature. So as a Turkish citizen, I mostly agree with you guys when you say "Immature Turks ruined this game". Saying "Turks ruins MMO's" is just incorrect.
Good thing is, most of these kids don't have access to a credit card, and the ones that do have access (via their moms), usually play WoW.
You can say stupid Turks because all of my Turkish friends called the Turks in the game stupid Turks and with that they meant the internet cafe owners because they were the ones who sold KOXP, items, max levelled characters and whatever else can be sold to those 'children'. It was the internet cafe owners who pioneerd the bug abusing, macroing and all the simple stupidity that took place in that game. We were told of internet cafe's in which the owner would have all of his PC's running at night, macroing and then duping all the looted gear and selling them on.
When I was in RDH there used to be a Turk in the clan and after wipes he was always naked. Within an hour after the wipe he was fully dressed and armed with the best equipment. His brother was the same, as was everyone else who played in his internet cafe. He even offered to level our characters to 70 for us. He was a nice, friendly guy but he still added to the death of the game. So it was the adults, who taught the kids.
If you go to JapKO the Turkish GM's there will ban you within minutes of macroing and they don't care where you come from or which language you speak. In fact when we played there we were told by the Turks who play there (there are very few) not to macro as it would ruin their reputation as the Japanese don't macro, ever. So, there is a difference between the childish Turks who play on USKO (I care not whether they are children or adults) or the ones who refuse to play on USKO but do like KO and play elsewhere.
Just wanted to clear somethings about Turks playing KO. 99% of the Turk population playing KO are at 8-14 age range. Internet cafe's are full of them. More "mature" players looks down on this crowd and usually don't even interact with them because of the same issues most of you had explained. They cheat, beg (and they beg a lot), grief and do any kind of nasty stuff, simply because its the internet. Most of the "good" players i know already left KO for other games, mainly WoW, so all thats left for KO is just some silly 12 yr-o kid, buying bronze premium with his lunch money (most Internet Cafe's acts as a middle man for these transactions). I myself haven't logged in to that game in 3 years now. In Turkey, KO kinda became like what Starcraft is for Koreans right now. Only difference is, target audiance is a lot younger/immature. So as a Turkish citizen, I mostly agree with you guys when you say "Immature Turks ruined this game". Saying "Turks ruins MMO's" is just incorrect. Good thing is, most of these kids don't have access to a credit card, and the ones that do have access (via their moms), usually play WoW.
You're absolutely right.
I played the game in Beramus server about 2 years and our children ruined our efforts. Even if i'm a Turk, i can say that they put slum culture to the game
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I would say it's the level 70+ guys that is selling me most of my weapons and armors. Things that drop from the werevoles and such farmed by the gold farmers are just to weak for me.
Also, refer to my first post saying cheating is close to non-existant. There will always be cheaters in whatever game you go. K2 just stepped up to it's game and decided to take care of what was their problems in the past.
They ruin the game because they overcrowd all of the servers so it's harder to get on. Bitching about it though is a waste of time beens the game was made in turkey and the people complaining are retarted
They ruin the game because they overcrowd all of the servers so it's harder to get on. Bitching about it though is a waste of time beens the game was made in turkey and the people complaining are retarted
u are wrong. the game was made by a korean company. and the reason why the ppl are angry at the turkish players is because to many of them are cheaters and also much of them dont have a good behavior
Yup, the game was originaly made by Mgame, a company situated in Korea. K2 Network bought the rights to host servers.
What's funny about the Turkish issue is that even the mature ones hate the immature ones. They think like us that they are ruining the game. The adults are pretty mature and they can become good friends over time. Most of the teens cheats.
honestly you cant hate the turks for crowding a server, thats kind of unfair. the reason people hate turks in mmos is for the overwhelming majority of them that dont act right.
They beg...ALOT.. you get private chat in broken english demanding equipment and money all the time, thne they quickly cuss you out in broken english
turks bring a level of cheating that goes much beyond what gold farmers and normal botters do, its as if they all cheat...not sure why really.
so the reasons people dont like turks in mmo's is for the insane amount of cheating and their terrible/disgusting attitude toward others.
look what happend to silkroad, exactly the same thing that went down in KO...exactly....and silkroad is a majority turkish, for some reason.
so...no offence to turks, but in an mmo, they ruin the game for everyone
honestly you cant hate the turks for crowding a server, thats kind of unfair. the reason people hate turks in mmos is for the overwhelming majority of them that dont act right.
They beg...ALOT.. you get private chat in broken english demanding equipment and money all the time, thne they quickly cuss you out in broken english
turks bring a level of cheating that goes much beyond what gold farmers and normal botters do, its as if they all cheat...not sure why really.
so the reasons people dont like turks in mmo's is for the insane amount of cheating and their terrible/disgusting attitude toward others.
look what happend to silkroad, exactly the same thing that went down in KO...exactly....and silkroad is a majority turkish, for some reason.
so...no offence to turks, but in an mmo, they ruin the game for everyone
Agree, but you left out that they do this on servers meant for the U.S.
This adds even more hostility, as they take over servers not even meant for them to play on.
honestly you cant hate the turks for crowding a server, thats kind of unfair. the reason people hate turks in mmos is for the overwhelming majority of them that dont act right.
They beg...ALOT.. you get private chat in broken english demanding equipment and money all the time, thne they quickly cuss you out in broken english
turks bring a level of cheating that goes much beyond what gold farmers and normal botters do, its as if they all cheat...not sure why really.
so the reasons people dont like turks in mmo's is for the insane amount of cheating and their terrible/disgusting attitude toward others.
look what happend to silkroad, exactly the same thing that went down in KO...exactly....and silkroad is a majority turkish, for some reason.
so...no offence to turks, but in an mmo, they ruin the game for everyone
Agree, but you left out that they do this on servers meant for the U.S.
This adds even more hostility, as they take over servers not even meant for them to play on.
there is no server for a special country. just international servers and servers for east and west
The original servers are/were based in the U.S. and the game was *supposedly* aimed primarily at the U.S and E.U.
What they have now I have no idea.
the servers were for the u.s at the beginin but just a few months later they made it international because they realised the potential of the game in other countries
see i first tried this game after the english speaking server came out recently. it did cut down on the turks but the turks have been replaced wih south americans. i still cant figure out why someone proxies onto a server meant for a languange they dont speak...it blows my mind the logic behind that. you wont see me on a proxy playing a japenses or korean server game, it would be horrible as i dont speak their languages.
also if you guys LOVE turks i reccoment Silkroad online, it lacks the fun PVP that KO had or really anything fun to be honest, but its jam packed with turks. funny thing about this is that SRO has the same exact problems KO had. turks FTW.
I'm sorry, but it seems pretty silly to place the blame on a game's failing because of a single nationality. Looks like the same deal with the Russians in AoC. I mean, damn - it's one thing to say that you've encountered a few bad Turks playing an MMO, but it's an entirely different story when you claim that "Turks," in general, ruin MMORPGs. I guess even nationalism can find itself in games nowadays. I recommend Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra - "On the New Idol" - maybe that will open your eyes.
You haven't played that much Knight Online if you don't believe people from one country can ruin a game. The turks behavior in KO is deplorable. When people say they cheat at an insane rate they are not exaggerating, its really that bad. The thing is its not just the cheating, its the way the people treat non turk players. The behavior of the Turkish players I encountered over my time in KO was horrible, Begging nonstop check, Yelling at you in broken english obscenities when you won't give them free stuff check, treating those that aren't Turkish like garbage check.
The odd thing is I saw the same behavior from the turks in Silk Road as well, disrespectful to players of other countries, cheating in every way possible, begging etc. This isn't like its a couple people informing people of the way the turkish players behave very often in MMO's its been brought up for years on these forums and with so many having similar experiences with relation to the turkish people what do you expect?
On top of this Knight Online had more scammers, hackers(hacking accounts, duping, etc) than any mmo I've ever been a part of and when the majority of players are turkish you do the math.
The odd thing is I saw the same behavior from the turks in Silk Road as well, disrespectful to players of other countries, cheating in every way possible, begging etc. This isn't like its a couple people informing people of the way the turkish players behave very often in MMO's its been brought up for years on these forums and with so many having similar experiences with relation to the turkish people what do you expect?
On top of this Knight Online had more scammers, hackers(hacking accounts, duping, etc) than any mmo I've ever been a part of and when the majority of players are turkish you do the math.
Ugh. According to your rationale (the "math," as you call it), I can effectively claim that all Americans stupid, lazy and fat. What's wrong with that? I'm using the math like you said - Americans score much lower on international standardized tests and the US has the world's highest obesity rate per capita. I'm hoping that you can see how stupid this hypothetical seems, and apply that to situation at hand. Simply because you spot a few people doing bad things and speaking Turkish at the same time does not imply that the Turkish people "ruin" MMOs - that's just plain ignorance right there.
Agreed DrChicken,
For those of you who know the Forum Fansite ko4life, you'd know that English players scams as much if not more than any other nationalities.
Yeah, a few can mess up a big groups reputation and that's what the turkish kids are doing. Heck, some turkish adults told me even them, they hate those kids. Like I hate the american kids who scams and cheats also.
Mani your active everywhere...lol Miss the old times long live Ares human and LT...
Yeah, I spend to much times on forums XD
Take care Schlitz
(Heard you gota Wii now, have fun
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The following is long as hell, but KO is such crap it takes pages to list all its shortcomings/reasons it is a terrible choice of game to play.
I have played on Diez server for the last 3+ years (since April 2005) and recently quit this game for good. It simply reached the last straw for me. I amongst many others merely stayed with game as long as I did due to the friends I had made in game..
As regards cheating in this game? It is flagrant. Bifrost? closed due to excessive abuse. In game lettering? Disabled due to bug abuse. Trinas and Tears of K? removed from PUS due to bugging/abuse. Forgotten temple had been disabled at oine time for what, 9 months before being brought back. With these latest measures, K2 has continued dealing with a problem by disabling the entire portion of the game it deals with for vast stretches of time. This is partly because they do not have control over game updates and fixes directly, this however does not change the fact it causes important parts of the game to be removed, making the game much less enjoyable. KO without Bifrost is less of a game for sure..
Why was Bifrost disabled again? Ah yes, because Koxpers were bugging Ultima, the top boss in game and stealing all the drops from the legit players. But not only this, they had reached the point of being so brazen and non fearful of being banned to the point of luring Greeds and other top mobs in Bifrost on people there in attempts to get them xpd and to leave the top dropping mobs in B to themselves.
This kind of thing goes far beyond one part of the game. How about, Felankoir? Isoloon? (the next two best bosses in game, and one of the top sources of unique items in KO) . For quite a few months now they have been farmed in numerous servers by koxpers, 30 or more at a time to as few as 8 depending on how good their macro program is- so that even the top clans are unable to kill these bosses anymore in some servers. The cheaters have even made a program where the bosses and mobs in game no longer hit them back! so they can use lower lvl chars to kill these bosses and mobs in general, and so that normal players cannot lure on them and have them killed while they are afk from their computer/cheating! On top of that they now have made it where the Bosses will ignore all aggro from other players and only follow the koxpers, who then use a wall bug to pull it into a wall and kill it, insuring they get the drop! Meanwhile K2 ludicrously made farming for these 2 bosses bannable on second servers, leaving these same koxpers free to roam there and take down these bosses at will in the second servers. No I am not making any of this up. this game is this poorly managed.. gms are rarely online, and only ban a small number of cheaters, whom can simply turn around and with no IP bans, create a new char and with their macros be back to their spot in minutes after being banned either way.
Meanwhile Moradon (game map for lower lvls)- is overrun completely by goldfarmers, koxpers, etc. same for the Masto spots, Stegos, Cardinals, etc, wherever direct coins can be farmed at faster then average speed in the game. Often in full parties so that competing for these spots are a totally pointless. Again in rare times a gm actually logs online and decides to ban a couple, they simply make a new char and return to the spot within a few minutes (the Gm being long gone by this time).
Then there is the very recent Hellsgarem bug. Which involved the flooding of +9 armors and weapons and +3 uniques into the servers. People such as myself had spent years gearing up , only to have some people abuse a letter hack only known by a few (but abused to the extreme by those same) to bring over items from a PK only server to their main server and be leet geared in 5 minutes. Mwanwhile K2 has not cleaned it up and is likely to NOT clean it up. (even if they did make an attempot after months, the abusers will have long traded their illegit items for in game coin and legit items (or more likely US dollars), so that those who had no hand in the cheat but traded for these items unknowingly will be the only ones punished instead).
Add to this past issues where many people in had lvl bugged to lvl 70 then 80 without punishment, duped and bugged their way to top items leaving legit people in the dust; K2's as always abysmal support; no rollbacks or investigations offered for being hacked ; huge numbers of Speed Hackers running freely in Pk zones for almost as long as anyone can remember without fear of retribution of ban and f'ing up the PK in this game; and K2 now charging 35 bucks! for premium service that allows 100% xp boost over non premium (making anyone who doesn't purchase premium and attempting to lvl blown away by those that do.normal premium choices aren't even adequate anymore with the 25 dollar version a paltry 30% boost by comparison) and yet somehow this game is supposedly improving, and an enjoyable game to play? Seriously don't even try to fool anyone. Anyone who has, or will sadly attempt to play this game in the future will soon know that those who somehow continue to support this bug ridden, expensive and outdated game (seen graphics lately?) are the true fools.
Anyone thinking about playing KO, or pondering returning on empty promises of a better game then in the past, I advise strongly to STAY AWAY. I merely mentioned the things I found to be most annoying. There are MANY more issues then this, from lack of communication, general hostility within the community, to top clans players being overrun with "babashoppers"- top players generally pay at least 1500+ US dollars to gear up in this game (this is besides premium just to log and real game money to purchase PUS items for pots, gloves, scrolls etc each month) . Then there is the mindlessly killing the same mob 12 hours a day for a week straight just to gain one lvl with constant dcs, server restarts etc along the way...is there need to continue (though I could). There are even the most basic misspellings riddled throughout the game after 4+ years for goodness sakes!
GG K2 and a big AQ for you. AMK for you newer Turkeys.
I regret making this thread them months back, the server was real fun for about a month, but then chinese goldfarmers swarmed Moradon, screwing up the market, gems needed for master quest where nearly impossible to get due to drop rate being k2'd.
Then the other matter, not enough English speaking people moved/returned for C-West making it impossible for alot of people to lvl, only my clan indestructablzzzand Fierce where ever in CZ making it pointless to pk except on war days.
The game died for me when ROFD was released I was stupid to think C-West would change it.
Knight Online has the best PVP system I have ever seen, only matched by EVE. However K2 is a worthless company, comparable to Funcom and Sony, and they do not care about the customers. I left KO three years ago and logged on a few months ago to see what the servers were like now and I was shocked. The amount of babashoppers, babamacroers, general stupidity, lag and dc's were insane. The game is simply unplayable without a macro. It's not possible to compete with all the macroers killing worms and this is where K2 shows what kind of a company they are.
mGame have blocked all non-Korean IP's from accessing Korean KO. MyKO is no more as they wouldn't pay mGame. MyKO was once known as MacroKO and Corrupt KO. It was possible to pay the GM's on MyKO and they'd give you whatever you wanted and it was macro heaven. Then years ago Knight Online got turned into Empire Online and the game literally died. 99% of all English speakers left and Turkish became the language on the forums and ingame. Then there were the corrupt GM's and their ingame friends. I remember a guy called DuWolf well. He used to be given max level fully equipped characters by GM's because he had friends in K2 (to me he became the symbol of everything that is wrong with KO). The only real KO English speakers can play on is Japan KO.
Japan KO is amazing. It's quiet, you can play freely without people luring on you as it's a bannable offense, there's no kill stealing as the game is pretty empty. There aren't many patches as there're very few bugs in the game, unlike USKO where K2 and mGame don't get on so the most players can hope for is a patch that will make the grass in Moradon greener. But the game really shines during war. Max level players will log on and the game really shows what it's about. They fight like crazy and it's great fun. JapKo has one major problem though and that's the Japanese are very asocial (racist?) towards non-Japanese. They refuse to talk to you, ignore you and will not party with you unless you have something they want. If you can play with a group of friends and you love KO I would recommend JapKo.
The PVP system in KO is wonderful and I loved PVP until I realised the reason why rogues and warriors can hit 20 times per second is because they all macro. It was so much fun seeing yourself die and not know what hit you. Then of course there were the archers who hit 5 shots and couldn't miss and that's just the start of it. Mages macro'd, priests macro'd, everyone has max level items which get wiped at dupe wipes only to reappear on the market a few days after the wipe.
Why would anyone in their right mind pay or even play a game like this? I have no idea. Waterboarding seems more fun to me than sit behind your screen and watch the game being ripped apart by a company that has no GM's (K2 has very few GM's because banning people will mean less money coming in), a company that is always in conflict with the developer of the game and one that simply defrauds players by charging them twice and then taking months to refund them their money back.
I learned the following last year. K2 is managing five games in total and the company is worth a lot less than $5 million. That should say more than enough about the state of the company and its business practices.
Stay away from Knight Online. Do not waste your time on this game and, as one of the posters above me has said, the game has more problems than anyone could ever list. k2 is not worth a penny, nor are they worth a second of anyones time. I loved KO but would never go back to it, not because I play WOW (I left that game too because Blizzard have no idea what they're doing and the game is horribly imbalanced) or because I play EVE (love it but it's not for everyone) but because I hate K2. There is nothing that would draw me back to the game, absolutely nothing. Even K2 paying me money to play KO wouldn't make me play Macroing Turks Online. I have no problem with Turks but the game is no longer USKO, it is TRKO (Turkey Online) and K2 will do what Sony do: milk it till it's totally dead and to me KO is dead.
I hate K2 and never touch any game they manage again.
Just wanted to clear somethings about Turks playing KO.
99% of the Turk population playing KO are at 8-14 age range. Internet cafe's are full of them. More "mature" players looks down on this crowd and usually don't even interact with them because of the same issues most of you had explained. They cheat, beg (and they beg a lot), grief and do any kind of nasty stuff, simply because its the internet.
Most of the "good" players i know already left KO for other games, mainly WoW, so all thats left for KO is just some silly 12 yr-o kid, buying bronze premium with his lunch money (most Internet Cafe's acts as a middle man for these transactions). I myself haven't logged in to that game in 3 years now.
In Turkey, KO kinda became like what Starcraft is for Koreans right now. Only difference is, target audiance is a lot younger/immature. So as a Turkish citizen, I mostly agree with you guys when you say "Immature Turks ruined this game". Saying "Turks ruins MMO's" is just incorrect.
Good thing is, most of these kids don't have access to a credit card, and the ones that do have access (via their moms), usually play WoW.
You can say stupid Turks because all of my Turkish friends called the Turks in the game stupid Turks and with that they meant the internet cafe owners because they were the ones who sold KOXP, items, max levelled characters and whatever else can be sold to those 'children'. It was the internet cafe owners who pioneerd the bug abusing, macroing and all the simple stupidity that took place in that game. We were told of internet cafe's in which the owner would have all of his PC's running at night, macroing and then duping all the looted gear and selling them on.
When I was in RDH there used to be a Turk in the clan and after wipes he was always naked. Within an hour after the wipe he was fully dressed and armed with the best equipment. His brother was the same, as was everyone else who played in his internet cafe. He even offered to level our characters to 70 for us. He was a nice, friendly guy but he still added to the death of the game. So it was the adults, who taught the kids.
If you go to JapKO the Turkish GM's there will ban you within minutes of macroing and they don't care where you come from or which language you speak. In fact when we played there we were told by the Turks who play there (there are very few) not to macro as it would ruin their reputation as the Japanese don't macro, ever. So, there is a difference between the childish Turks who play on USKO (I care not whether they are children or adults) or the ones who refuse to play on USKO but do like KO and play elsewhere.
You're absolutely right.
I played the game in Beramus server about 2 years and our children ruined our efforts. Even if i'm a Turk, i can say that they put slum culture to the game
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