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SomeOldBloke
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The next xpac hype isn't doing it for me, it's just going to be more of the same, so...
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More of the same that has worked for over 3 years running is fine by me. I used to purchase a new video game about once a month on average prior to WoW. I can practically count on one hand the number of games I've purchased since then. Only Blizzard could get away with calling their game WoW. Wow is right.
To be fair blizzard haven't really started the 'hype' yet, they are just trickling enough information to the public to keep the interest flowing. You can expect the real hype to start once they have a solid release date and final plans have been put in place for the open PvP etc.. 2.4 is just another stepping stone in the creep towards the real hype for WotLK.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Probably a year from now, we'll hear blizz is releasing ANOTHER expansion.
I don't want to grind 10 more levels, thank you very much. The irony is that I probably will have to if the other mmos I'm watching suck...
This is pretty much the norm for all MMORPGs, most of which are level based, and even for the non-level based ones. For example with EVE - which many people consider sandbox - you have more expensive stuff to grind for, or skills to train, missions to repeat over and over again for standing gains.
This is actually what the majority of us want. We want more content, more lands to explore, more abilities, more fun.
If it's been good up to now, why change it? More of the same you say? Sign me up for that. Of course this is just ignoring all of the new stuff that will come with the expansion.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
What if you experienced the quests, enjoyed the writing, admired the artwork, explored the new lands, laughed at the jokes, and took it as a nice little bonus whenever your character learned a new skill?
The grind is in your mind.
I would have voted maybe / undecided on the will you buy it poll !
anyway i played since it was released so whats that almost 3 years give or take a month or two
i quit a couple of times played every class most to 70 and i wasnt that hyped about the
last xpack and im not hyped about this new one at all the game was good when it came out
but it hasnt changed one bit since i first played there hasnt been anything that me go thats new
same old same old i just know if i get the xpack and i probaly will its just going to be the same thing
again more rep grind more honor grinding (in the same battle grounds zzz / arena)
i just cant be bothered with anymore tiz done and dusted for me sadly was fun while it lasted !
I really find it amazing that people still complain about grinding in WoW. There are threads all over the forums that epics have gotten too easy to obtain.
I really find it amazing that people still complain about grinding in WoW. There are threads all over the forums that epics have gotten too easy to obtain.
You realise that they're trying to help the late-levellers /alt-a-holics at least give it a go at the content before it's totally useless and obsolete with the expansion right ?
It's no assumption, it's been done before TBC as well ! (Easy mode HWL gear anyone ? Quick let's have a feel of that before it gets replaced).
They're pretty much dumbing down everything (like rep grinds / amazing gear easily acquired / no attunements) so you keep yourself busy doing whatever you haven't done in the game thus far.
Then, expansion hits and have fun replacing your stuff with the "Amazing Green boots of the Bandit".
Just FYI in WoW everything is a time race. You either do it soon or it ain't worth it.
Examples are everywhere I can give you one:
Tier3 Blacksmith weapons.
You could raid SSC / TK ? You had access to the most imba 2 handed weapons for classes that need them... Eventually...They got less important when merciless weapons got out...Then Vengeful is pretty much equal = better at some cases...Now guess what, S4 is incoming, 150 badges weapons are incoming and both are tons better than T3 BS weapons....So...NETHER VORTEXES CAN BE ACQUIRED BY DOING SLAVE PENS HEROIC...Not quite the same challenge as an SSC / TK
So, you were late to get into SSC / TK in Blizzard's mind a weapon bought for 150 badges and being on par / better with one that needs lots of mats, 375 blacksmithing + 75 badges (for nether vortexes) is...actually fair ?
If you still play WoW it could be a good idea to start stocking up your golds and reach a certain amount then freeze till the expansion hits :P
This is pretty much the norm for all MMORPGs, most of which are level based, and even for the non-level based ones. For example with EVE - which many people consider sandbox - you have more expensive stuff to grind for, or skills to train, missions to repeat over and over again for standing gains.
This is actually what the majority of us want. We want more content, more lands to explore, more abilities, more fun.
If it's been good up to now, why change it? More of the same you say? Sign me up for that. Of course this is just ignoring all of the new stuff that will come with the expansion.
eve is a sandbox,now go back to playing WoW and keep telling yourself WoW isnt the simplest most grind festive,most pvp crappy game in the world and one day it might come true.
Also on what previous poster said I'd like to add that some games do not promise the fun AFTER the "grind" but the fun is itself in the journey towards the new level cap.
At least that's what EQ2 does...You enjoy your way on the way to new level cap and PLAY instead of quickly farming it up to cap so you can go into the ever so fun raids :P
Needless to say just do a bit of googling on the amount of time it took the world's first level 70 when TBC came out...Assisted by guildmates etc. to get to 70 as soon as possible..Skipping the so cherished "content upgrade" + "interesting lore" the game so blatantly tends to underexpress imho :P
And for what? So they can raid + do some first boss kills ? :P
To each his own, conclusions are to be drawn :P
If you see MMOGs as a competitive pastime, then you aren't going to be as happy in WoW as someone who enjoys teamwork, camaraderie, and the simple pleasure of experiencing the content.
Of course, the competitive achiever types are never truly happy in any game but EVE.
I'm going for 1 month after the release of WotLK
WoW brings out the competitive nature of people <Mod edit> who might find the content slightly difficult.
Well for hardcore raiders nothing is difficult, it's just a matter of time. Since 'hardcore' in MMORPGs usually means 'plays more than most people', I think you're confusing challenge with time spent.
Everquest 1 has one of the most mature and complex scripted raid encounters in the games but they are still no more difficult than WoW. Eve online has nothing of the sort, and offers no content of this type - this is perceived as sandbox - where of course you can never 'win' because you're fighting vs other players in a tedious game of mining and gate camping - who has the biggest fleet and who knows some CCP devs as we've seen in the past.
Oh and you managed to use a Down's Syndrome reference in your post - this must be part of the heightened intellect you people who claim they can find no challenge in WoW or other games are soo much more challenging... please... Like what? What MMO is so super challenging compared to WoW because I've played most of them and they simply don't provide any challenge other than how long you can sit your arse down on a seat. At least WoW's combat is fast paced and almost twitch like - most MMOs cant even claim that, and you talk about skill as if it's something you're good at. Please...
Tbh I don't think you've even entered the Black Temple, loads of people around here say they've done this and that in WoW, but more often than not they've not even hit 70.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I really find it amazing that people still complain about grinding in WoW. There are threads all over the forums that epics have gotten too easy to obtain.
You realise that they're trying to help the late-levellers /alt-a-holics at least give it a go at the content before it's totally useless and obsolete with the expansion right ?
Of course, but what's wrong with that? It also allows for those who've just started to more quickly get up to speed. It's only useless and obsolete to those who've already done it once. I have a buddy who just got the game a month or 2 ago. I have no clue why it took me this long to get him to try it, but it did and now he's hooked. He's level 54 already and enjoying it immensely. I started another toon to level with him and I'm finding that I'm enjoying it too, doing a bunch of quests that I either missed on one of my other toons or stuff that they have added since. I actually found several quests that I missed before because now it's practically impossible to miss quests with the big yellow question mark popping up. Some people say that makes it too easy, but I find it just prevents you from missing something you may have otherwise missed.
And I think some people miss the point when they complain their epics are replaced when a new expansion comes out. That happens all the way thru the game. I constantly look for better gear and whenever it comes along I take it. For me purple is just a color, just like white, green and blue. I replaced blues with greens long before BC was released and it didn't bother me a bit. Why should it be any different with purple? And who cares how you got it or how much time it took to get it? You never want to get anything to replace it? Of course you do. So maybe it doesn't mean as much to get a green drop off some random kill or from a simple quest, but soon enough you'll be able to replace that green with a purple from Kara or some other place so what difference does it make in the final analysis?
I'm going for 1 month after the release of WotLK
I don't understand the underlying meaning of this statement. Care to explain? I'm pretty sure you're not being serious but there's no reason otherwise. I can't imagine it's an attempt at a joke either.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Nothing wrong but don't perceive it as "a good move". It's just trying to give people something to keep them busy if they missed the train of content...It's useless and obsolete cause the way WoW works why raid 3 days a week 5 hours per session for stuff you'll change by killing 10 "insert name of new mob here" in Northrend ?
If you haven't been around when TBC was released you will never get what I'm saying.
Personally I don't care about items and I don't care if they are replaced but the way expansions work in WoW is like saying in your face "whatever you did the past year has no hit and does not affect your further progress in the game".
At least when I spend time I want something that represents that and this is why I moved on to other games.
BTW: It's quite different when you raid 3-4 times a week 3-4 hours per day to get that gear and then have it replaced by easy starter quest of expansion which require just 10 mins of time rather than changing your auction housed / 200g worth of craft / LBRS drop of blues you probably did.
People exchanging their T2.5 / T3 / HWL gear will know the feeling of time spent, efforts done going down the drain. This is the flaw of such concentration around loot in a game imho...
I'm really not trolling or bashing WoW...Like my first car I really enjoyed it but I'd never want it back...
It's been quite fun till I realised It had to go
From your level 10 gear is replaced by level 20 gear, then by level 30 gear.. and then so on. This is how the game works, and you should discover this pretty early on.
You spent a couple of hours earning your first set of gear to have it replaced a couple of days later, then a couple of weeks later.
You raid for a few more weeks to replace your raid set with an even better raid set. Then a few more months for an even more powerful raid sets.
Then an expansion comes along....
GUESS WHAT?
THAT'S RIGHT SHERLOCK, YOU REPLACE YOUR GEAR AGAIN.
ANY QUESTIONS? :P
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Yes, because games are more fun when you play to crush!
I must say, after 9 months I'm still enjoying EVE. Not sure why, it has it faults to be sure, but never the less it retains my interest.
Yes, what you say is true, except the difference is, while leveling up from 10 to 20, you sort of just get the gear by exploring, completing the quests, or through occasional purchases. I was never one to stop along the way and re-run the lower level instances to obtain a particular item, I preferred to just keep adventuring.
Then came the big raid instances, and suddenly I found myself 'working' hard to obtain my gear. I endured long, boring runs over and over, put up with screaming raid leaders, farmed or bought tons of raid supplies, and battled convoluted DKP systems to get my fair share of the gear.
So when an expansion comes along and takes it all away in a single sweep it hurts far more than the simple gear replacement of the lower levels.
When I first played DAOC, gear lasted a good long time. Even when expansions were released, there was no need to go replace all your gear with a certain "set", people tended to customize far more using the items that best fit their play style. WOW has you obsessively chasing higher and higher 'tiers' of gear, and when they announced the TBC expansion I decided that WOW just wasn't the game for me.
Its not just WOW, I gave LotRO a try, and within a month I could see it was following the same path that WOW did, so I quickly bailed.
Sure, in EVE I replace gear all the time when I get new ships, yet, I'm still using ships that I had access to 6 months ago, and certainly reuse many of the same modules in all sorts of ships, so it doesn't feel like I'm really replacing anything. Its just a different way to approach gaming, and some folks prefer one system to another.
BTW, you might want to turn off the /sarcasm feature, not really beneficial when trying to have a good conversation.
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No, I never raided 3-4 times a week for 3-4 hours per day prior to BC because I never really cared to get the loot that badly. I was having too much fun playing one of my 5 toons to 60. I have done a bit of raiding since BC now and I have some Kara gear, but I don't mind having to replace it all, that's just par for the course. I did also have several buddies who did raid exactly like you mentioned and yes they were all whining just like you prior to BC, but once it was released I never heard a peep about it again until they announced the new expansion was coming out and they started whining again. But for all the whining they do prior to the expansions coming out, once it's out they are about as happy as you can get legally.
Yes, because games are more fun when you play to crush!
I must say, after 9 months I'm still enjoying EVE. Not sure why, it has it faults to be sure, but never the less it retains my interest.
Yes, what you say is true, except the difference is, while leveling up from 10 to 20, you sort of just get the gear by exploring, completing the quests, or through occasional purchases. I was never one to stop along the way and re-run the lower level instances to obtain a particular item, I preferred to just keep adventuring.
Then came the big raid instances, and suddenly I found myself 'working' hard to obtain my gear. I endured long, boring runs over and over, put up with screaming raid leaders, farmed or bought tons of raid supplies, and battled convoluted DKP systems to get my fair share of the gear.
So when an expansion comes along and takes it all away in a single sweep it hurts far more than the simple gear replacement of the lower levels.
When I first played DAOC, gear lasted a good long time. Even when expansions were released, there was no need to go replace all your gear with a certain "set", people tended to customize far more using the items that best fit their play style. WOW has you obsessively chasing higher and higher 'tiers' of gear, and when they announced the TBC expansion I decided that WOW just wasn't the game for me.
Its not just WOW, I gave LotRO a try, and within a month I could see it was following the same path that WOW did, so I quickly bailed.
Sure, in EVE I replace gear all the time when I get new ships, yet, I'm still using ships that I had access to 6 months ago, and certainly reuse many of the same modules in all sorts of ships, so it doesn't feel like I'm really replacing anything. Its just a different way to approach gaming, and some folks prefer one system to another.
BTW, you might want to turn off the /sarcasm feature, not really beneficial when trying to have a good conversation.
Sarcasm is being polite compared to the amount of shit that gets thrown at me when I'm being sensible and using logic and reason to demolish the majority of invalid criticisms levelled at the game. Not that there aren't valid criticisms for WoW, there are many - but then make these myself as well, and seeing them articulated properly on this site is very, very rare.
As for all of your work being 'swept' away, I think you are missing a big part of why people continue to play and enjoy WoW. The big clue is your gripe at listening to a screaming raid leader. If you do not enjoy playing with your guild at the end game, progressing and farming instances, then your guild must be really boring, or you are playing for the wrong reasons.
The number one reason for playing an MMO is because you play with and against other people. There are hundreds of superbly crafted and challenging single-player games out there.
I really, really enjoy my guild. There are so many good personalities, it doesn't matter if we're playing on alts or progressing in PvE, or doing 5v5 in the arena.
In EVE you spend 100s of hours trying to attain a ship which in several months will drastically fall in value because the next level of tech has come out, or a better class of ship. It's harder to define, but you are still 'losing' the work you did previously. New alts get 1,000,000 skill points, or near enough, which at the release of the game was a LOT of skill planning and 'work', if you will, to get your skills to that level in a reasonable time.
And they tell us so many times that noob's can catch up with vets in EVE, because of diminishing returns of the higher skills. How is this different from WoW allowing casual players to catch up a bit with new expansions?
I'm not criticising EVE, it is a good game but it doesn't offer 'content' at all really. It's a different game entirely, so comparing the two is a bit of a pointless battle.
If you're getting pissed off because you have to PLAY THE GAME again when a new expansion comes out, you're being harsh on WoW because this is what games do. They give players more to do. You can never 'win' an MMORPG, or at least, you can beat Illidan and get his shiny loot, but don't expect that loot to last forever
Don't expect anything you gain in any MMO to last for much longer than the next expansion. Oh sure, you can still use ships in EVE just like you can still use level 60 epics in WoW, but there are better ships and better mods and there is better gear in WoW.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
This is the kind of people that really make WoW a chore..Such a shame
You are trying to dumb us down to your level and beat us with experience so... You won a cookie !
Really, the problem isn't replacement of gear, it's how unequal effort and reward is but whatever logical case we may present here Recant will run to the rescue so... blah
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Edit: /sarcasm off from now on for sake of intelligent conversation
If you had taken a leaf out of Kyleran's book for example, who has done a much better job at debating with me than you have, at a far superior level, I would have responded in kind.
I suggest you read my response to him to see me refute the arguments you should be making, but yours instead just seem to boil down to "i think this sucks... this is crap... WoW is easy", without ever saying why or explaining how you think another game is so much better. Not exactly the height of intellectualism is it?
It was I that lowered myself to your level in response to your ill-constructed arguments, not the other way around. You're just doing this to skip around the topic at hand, just a distraction because you are unwilling or unable to engage in a reasonable discourse.
I think my sarcasm is on an at least equal level of maturity to vitrolic, poorly argued nonsense. Using my post to make blanket statements about the WoW community is also a poor assertion, and is pretty much just ad hominem.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...