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CVG Preview: What a hope-inspiring difference a delay makes
AmazingAvery
Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
CVG start their Easter weekend coverage of AoC with a Preview: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=185180
Video coming soon as well as new interview.
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The ability to interact with the game world in a far more tactile way than usually seen in MMOs is far more intuitive now, and much of the previous fiddly-ness is a thing of the past. And how will fans of traditional MMOs react? This will prove Age of Conan's hardest sell. The combat system is the biggest obstacle the game throws up to MMO players brought up on a diet of EverQuest and World of Warcraft. It's setting itself up to be a game that will either be loved for its innovation or hated. But at least Funcom is trying to do something different. |
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What do you call people who have no interest in a particular mmorpg but still continue to post and therefore continue to be apart of said games community?
You know.. Those people who come out and say they have no interest in said game. I mean whats the point? They like to re-affirm their thoughts? You know the types that continue to downplay area's of a game they have no interest in, and they do it regularly? What do you call those people?
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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AoC's hype is generated by itself being indifferent in parts to games like Lotro "run of the mill" same old, same old. Then again the movies generated huge awareness, only natural for a game to piggy back that.
I remember reading previews for Lotro where someone fell asleep.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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LOTRO is not a huge sucess. It has maybe 200k subscribers. AOC will have a lot more subscribers than that. Thats for sure.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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At first, you're poorly written unreadable posts were somewhat amusing, mainly because I felt sorry for you, but it seems you are unwilling to stop writing garbage no one cares about until you feel better about yourself.
As a final note, I really wish people like you would lay off Avery and others who post useful information. They aren't harming you or anyone else so why do people such as your self feel the need to put so much effort into putting someone such as him down?
The sooner you grow up and realize games are not made for everyone and people such as yourself will obviously never be satisfied, the better these forums will be... without you.
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Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
AoC's hype is generated by itself being indifferent in parts to games like Lotro "run of the mill" same old, same old. Then again the movies generated huge awareness, only natural for a game to piggy back that.
I remember reading previews for Lotro where someone fell asleep.
If playing through a world designed by the mind of the greatest fantasy writer in the 20th century run of the mill. AoC will be even run of the miller . lol
You don't even play LotrO yet you think you know all about it, it is a shame people can't get over the fact that it is a Massive IP , so it could never be any good. Think you will find AoC not appeal to more then 50k subs in the united states, if that. You still want to try and elevate this game above a game that has already successfully release, be my guest, but once your game even hints at failure, be prepared for the ton of bricks that every other poster is waiting to drop.
If AoC shows any bugs or performance issue , it will be a full blown epidemic, then what are you going to do, call of them idiots and morons, cause they have not the proper rig to run the game, this sounds all to familiar, it is exactly like the VG CB people and the open beta people from VG.
The first failure I see with this game already is the community.
No. I am not going to by into this type of lame community .
Any monkey can post links to hypea game, but have you ever noticed, You are the only one who really cares enough to do it ? Kind of tells yah something, take a week off and see how many new threads are posted
Okay, so I was in the LOTRO beta and in retail leveled a 45 Champion and a 50 Minstrel. I live in the US as well. LOTRO is a solid built game, but for me it wasn't just different enough from the other AAA games that had been created before it. Some people may have been happy enough with the Traits and Deeds, but at the end of the day, grinding out all those deeds just didn't do it for me. Rift? CD? Yeah, they were fun, but after a few times, well, not for me. Guess I'm just not a multi-raider (doing a dungeon 3-4 times is cool, anything more than that starts to get old). Mind you, I'll probably feel the same way in AoC (3-4 times on raids), but at least they are launching with 8 raid dungeons I believe it was, and will no doubt add more before I complete all of them 3-4 times.Yeah, Tolkien was a great author, but that does not automatically translate in the greatest MMO out. And I am no Turbine hater. Asheron's Call and SWG (pre-NGE) are my favorite two MMOs all time (though I freely admit I do not like SOE).
All that said, and as much as you dislike Avery, he has a point. Discussion is one thing, but the plethora of drive-by "This game sucks" and "Doom, Doom, Doom" is every mounting. You'll have to put equal amount of blame on those persons as well, as they aren't really discussing anything. Just 1-2 liners and off they go. Additionally, if you can think objectively, this is a very valid question. Why exactly do people who have professed they aren't interested in playing a game continue to hang out on it's forums and berate anything good anyone says about it? Would it make more sense/them happier to spend time on forums of games they intend to play or like?
I'm very curious to see if these same folks will be here stating how wrong they were with such enthusiasm should AoC have a great launch and is very stable. As for the community, what you are seeing is just what comes about from this community. The reason you don't see others posting links that often here is due to people who sit like vultures waiting for anything good to be said of AoC so they can pounce on it and begin their negative campaign/mudslinging. This isn't just for AoC either and I remember the same thing happening with LOTRO in it's forums on this site. So, why exactly would people want to waste their time posting those new links and information here then? Anyway, there are other AoC community sites out there (of which I and I sure Avery as well as a few others here are active in) which is where we get the bulk of our information and which do not full of the drive-by 1-2 negative one liners.
It's cool if you don't like the game. I certainly am not trying to influence anyone here to play it. That said, blasting other people for posting that they do like it kinda falls into that same idea/definition of "lame community".
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Amazed how people derail & turn a nice informative thread into trash within minutes is beyond me.
Cheers Avery.
Regarding subscription counts, I stand by 200K being successful. The wow thing was a right place, right time, never happen again, you're foolish to even consider trying to emulate it. Thankfully, as a few suits have started saying in interviews, MMO companies are starting to get they won't hit those numbers and that it would cost too much money (Bobby Kotick estimates $500 million to $1 billion; www.gamespot.com/news/6186905.html) so we can come back to reality about how many subs companies are actually aiming for (with obviously the more the better).
Hey, just as I understand you may have your doubts about the game and want to see it objectively in OB or a trial, I also know that Avery has actually played the game, and has the experience that you say you want to get for yourself. Realizing that, and that he was happy with what he saw, shouldn't we be happy that at least he has found something he likes as opposed to blasting him. I know that not everybody likes the same thing (I dip my freedom fries in vanilla ice cream), so some may not like the game. Heck, show me a game where every single person of the thousands and millions who have played it likes it. It doesn't exist.
As for hype, well, it's a sad day indeed when a person can't express their enjoyment of a game without people labeling them in a negative manner. Word of mouth shouldn't always have to be about the negative.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
LOTRO is not a huge sucess. It has maybe 200k subscribers. AOC will have a lot more subscribers than that. Thats for sure.
I will be very happy if AoC can come out with 200,000 subscribers! Can it be possible for 200,000 players to put AoC on the silver platform in North America by the time AoC launches? With the exception to WoW, two hundred thousand subscribers is very impressive for an MMORPG at this time.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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As for the rest, yes. Make up your own mind. Nobody has a problem with that. It's the constant finger-pointing and saying that the game will fail and will be shitty and whatnot that's ticking people off (not saying you do it all the time, but many people do it).
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this is why from now on i am not preordering or buying the first day to any game. The PR machine in other games already did a number on my wallet. And at least the NDA was dropped prior to launch so i could get a feel for the game. No NDA dropping = No preorder for me.
Also there were quite a few topics on LotRO, when it won the Gamespy award.
Regarding Vanguard, I find it offensive for you to compare VG with AoC. I was a Beta tester in Vanguard since middle of 2005, when it was still Microsoft's baby. VG didn't even had more than 15 minutes of in game footage out there compared to AoC which has over 2 hours of footage. VG didn't invite Fansites, a Fan, Gamespot, Gamespy and so many others to see their game and try it themselves
Stop spinning and playing the victim card and accusing Avery of spamming, the only person that should be accused of spamming is you, with your negativism that's not even the slightest constructive.
yeah i'll give avery props for helping consolidate information. I just really wish 2 things
1) Drop NDA
2) open beta or mass (>8 people) pvping so that we could get an idea about client/server lag
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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I completely agree.
Dropping NDA would go along way. Regarding PvP, we'll see, hopefully they will show some PvP/Siege footage so that we can actually see how many people the Border Kingdoms can handle in one zone.
I'm excited about the game but I have a busy life, there are others - like Avery - that have more free time to actually be involved with the community.
Regarding being spoon fed "selected" articles, please if you know of any articles that criticize AoC, just post them. I like to read the good and the bad, so that I can see if the good out weighs the bad and if the game really is worthy of my money.
I just hope that the negative articles out there are recent and not something that reflects an older version of AoC. Are there any bad articles about AoC since the last time the press was invited to visit Funcom in Oslo and have a hands on with the game?
I'm just saying that I'm completely open to fair criticism, I agree that NDA is bad when we are so close to release, I agree the Open Beta is mainly used for PR and perhaps test server loads, I also agree that AoC FAQ is very incomplete, we still don't know the full details about the death penalty, we don't really know about Siege and how many people will it hold (they were aiming for 200 people but since they haven't tested Sieges with the current Beta folks we simply don't know) and we don't know much about PvP rule set (granted that they started testing PvP rule sets now).
There are many unknowns right now about the game but that doesn't mean that one has to be so negative and accuse others of being blind and that you don't share their rosy vision. No one is asking for you to be positive or be a blind follower, just leave personal attacks out of this thread, there are no spammers only trolls with 1 line drive by.
Thx for making it easy for me to read up on this stuff by looking for your posts.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
Hey just goto say, that I get alot of pm's for people asking to keep on posting info about the game, as its all in one place. It also alleivates all the questions. I consolidate info into two stickies to help the community too. The only time I've been accused of spamming is from people who dislike AoC (for whatever reason).
Alot of people dont have the time to go digging up quotes all over the place, or might be new to the game. Posting info like from CVG here is keeping all those questions people have asked before updated. Simple as that.
If you was around this time last year one german site posted some real negative nasty stuff. I still posted the article, that site had another hands on experience at the GDC, they flat out said it sucked (well pretty much).
Come Dragon*con they post an article saying the game got better in that recent gameplay changes (the so called dumbing down of combat) helped them into the game more. That same website posted a January hands on experience (this year) stating it had come full circle (same reviewer all this time) and gave it a nice preview, where they went thru all the changes both mechanically and gameplay wise.
You see I like to follow a story because its constructive feedback for all. It helps the community keep track from all different sources so at least some can make their mind up one way or another. I presented my hands on experience as I saw it, those are just my tastes though. When the game launches you can then hold the game and Funcom responsible for applause or disgrace, or somewhere in between - that choice is always up to the player.
A lot of these previews also bit by bit offer the interested party some small insights into the game too. Sometimes there are specs of machines played on, Sometimes there are gameplay or visual elements that have changed. If any pictures posted people can see the visual change through the beta process too.
No one is forcing anyone to read the information posted, its there for those that want to read it.
As we can see in this case the preview commends the delay, because gameplay elements are making a difference as the game moves thru different phases of beta.
People hate those that derail threads, time after time. Like I asked before - what do we call these people?
Me? I call them Pricks. why? never offer anything constructive..
And Solerus if you spend 5 minutes around here I've brought up many enjoyable debates about the game. Kinda gets tiring when you find yourself repeating yourself several times a month. I've even revisted old thread and revamped them, such as the tortage one and the map of the world threads I remade and update for new discussion. Not to mention the countless PvP, looting, sieging and GvG > RvR opinions I have.
What usually I hope to have happen is the topic and contents of the original post people read, and if they want to talk more about it thats great. But thats not what happened here, is it. Yet again..
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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I don't get mad, I just get a bit tired of all the friggen Vanguard Comments. I've seen the game first hand for quite a while at the community event. Age of Conan is not like VG in the negative way you make it out to be.
Plus how do you expect people to react with some of stuff you say?
As Abraquel pointed out some people take offence to the VG comparison, and when pulling some of these quotes up from your post history, I refrained from posting the other 15 or VG and AoC in same thread bad stuff. I also noticed your a staut defender of LotrO. And im telling you the extact same things your telling people who bring up bad stuff about lotro, fact is I feel justified in the responses I give. But you can kinda see how the same stuff posted over and over again is distruptive? This forum had it all last year with a couple of people doing it.
Why cant i have 2000 posts on one topic?
Actually I met my wife way back in UO, I came in when trammel did and also got 3rd dawn after that left then had a long standing history in Runescape circa 2000 for a few yrs, played Shadowbane, Planetside, Ryzom, Lineage, DAoC, Guild wars from the start, Lotro tested from the December prior to the april following year launch then when back with the wife and have a few guys in an established kinship - she still plays I don't. And many more out there not worth a few weeks of play because it was too painful. I also play alot of RTS and sins of solar empire is really enjoyable for me atm.
There is a difference between "against the grain" and repetitive day in day out disruptive posting.
I am not out to change the world either!
I fail to see the point you continue to post here if your not out to play the game. It looks like you have already made your mind up long ago. Very confusing = split personality?