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AoC or Vanguard
ethion
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Well I've been kinda waiting on Vanguard to get a bit more polished before really coming back in strength and I've also been interested in Age of Conan. For me though a big factor will be the combat system. I really think the combat system in vanguard is very good but there is a ton of hype around AoC. I finally found something that lets me try combat that will be like AoC. Someone who is playing AoC said that AoC has a combat system very similar to Avencast.
So if like me you are thinking about AoC you can check out the demo of Avencast to see what the combat system is going to be like.
Frankly I was unimpressed and all the graphics and features in the world won't make up for a poor combat system. Be interested to see what others think.
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Ethion
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I think that if you put up two types of combat systems Vanguard and AoC would be in different ones.
If you like the combat system that Vanguard is in the same group as I think it would be appropriate to say that VG is a good one. Vg is similar to WoW just as AoC is similar to Avencast (I would assume is a fair argument).
What I mean is that even if Avencrast combat system maybe is not that good AoC still can be.
While I been looking forward to AoC long before I even heard of Vanguard I think I'm opting to play VG and test out SGW when it comes instead. Still have my preorder on AoC though.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
AoC only weakness at release won't be just its combat.
REALITY CHECK
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Agree ^^
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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AoC or VG? ....geez .......
When it first launched, I had pre-ordered the collectors edition of Vanguard only to find that the game was completely unplayable due to software bugs & performance issues. Even now it seems to be a bit of a lottery with regard to hardware issues & though I cancelled my subscription well before the end of the trial period, I regularly check back to see if it might be worth another try. Unfortunately, that 'stickied' thread on issues with 'Nvidia 8800' cards is still there, which is ironic really since I upgraded my PC to use that card in anticipation of the VG release.
It's hard to imagine that AoC could have as many technical issues, but like with VG I will give it a try & make my own mind up. Although I assume VG has evolved/improved considerably since launch, it didn't seem that 'Cutting Edge' to me. In many respects (especially the embarassingly crude blue name tag fonts) it seemed a bit too retro. Certainly the 'immersion' element fostered by NPCs was quite weak. In the newbie areas having all the vendors use exactly the same sound clip about 'Buying something to cover your stench' got old very very quickly. I can't comment on how much better the game was outside the newbie areas as it was too difficult for me to level up when I was permanently in 'Bullet Time'.
I have read a lot about AoC & watched quite a few trailers. I look forward to the launch & hopefully will love it, but maybe I will hate it. I try not to be put off by people who have already decided the latter without having tried it for themselves. It just seems a bit odd to speculate on whether a game that hasn't even launched yet is better/worse than one that has been running for over a year & which still has many issues.
Maybe if they ever fix VG I will give that another try as well, I still have a few Buddy keys left.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
I'm using an 8800gtx and I'm not having any issue so I'm guessing whatever stickied thread you are refering too is probably old... For me my 8800gtx is working great.
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Ethion
If jumping on a train wreck like Vanguard appeals to you, go for it. AoC and WAR will be 10x the game that Vanguard is or ever will be.
AoC. Because Vanguard has been dubbed damaged goods. The game should of been released when GU 3 or 4 was released but yet was a year ago. Supporting Vanguard is will only let the game tycoons know they can release a game in any state and people will still pay. which is BULL. come on vanbois i know your going to say something now.
I enjoyed Vanguard, it's a good game, but only you can decide if it's fun for you.
Hard to make a choice based on opinions here, you'll just have to take the leap and try it.
I checked it before I posted & the stickied thread is still active with the latest post on 2008/03/21. I have the NVidia 8800GTS 640MB Graphics card over Windows XP & with a Creative X-Fi Sound card. Some people seem to be able to play OK with this combination, but many cannot. That was why I said it was a hardware lottery because no-one at SOE seems to really know what the issue is & just keep requesting that people post their Vgclient.log files.
Other SOE games have issues with the 8800 cards (e.g. EQ2) but none as bad as VG. I wish I had bought a different one now, but it was too expensive to throw away. I am glad that you can play the game, but from the experiences that I read on the tech support forums, nothing fundamentally seems to have changed & I am reluctant to waste a buddy key & spend time on reinstallation if I am just going to see the same stuttering mess.
Have fun.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
Take the Hecatomb? TCG What Is Your Doom? quiz.
well i brought vanguard at the start and found even though my machines specs were (according to the game) good enough to run it relativly smoothly , i found it unplayable . since then i ve upgraded my video card and ram and decided to try it again on the ten day buddy key . it still played badly . a lot of people who are vanguard fans will say its something your doing wrong with your pc setup , strange when every other game plays well vanguard still plays appaulingly . i think it is very much a lottery as to weather your machine will play it well . people have told me it plays better on radion cards than nvidea weather theres any truth to this or not is another matter .
as always i would recomend that you try before you buy . be it conan vanguard or any other game .
games that dont offer a free trial have something to hide
This is an easy one. Go with the game *not* owned by SOE.
ha the question is when will they be 10x? At release? 1 year, 5 years down the road
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Ethion
I checked it before I posted & the stickied thread is still active with the latest post on 2008/03/21. I have the NVidia 8800GTS 640MB Graphics card over Windows XP & with a Creative X-Fi Sound card. Some people seem to be able to play OK with this combination, but many cannot. That was why I said it was a hardware lottery because no-one at SOE seems to really know what the issue is & just keep requesting that people post their Vgclient.log files.
Other SOE games have issues with the 8800 cards (e.g. EQ2) but none as bad as VG. I wish I had bought a different one now, but it was too expensive to throw away. I am glad that you can play the game, but from the experiences that I read on the tech support forums, nothing fundamentally seems to have changed & I am reluctant to waste a buddy key & spend time on reinstallation if I am just going to see the same stuttering mess.
Have fun.
ok now thats funny. EQ2 issues aren't as bad as VG for 8800? Since I'm playing eq2 mostly now days I gotta say thats totally wrong. In the last update or two they introduced some nastiness in the eq2 world that kills 8800 performance. I've hand nothing but problems which I have managed to get under control but thats nothing like VG.
Also I'd not make any judgement based on forums especially stickies. I'm 100% certain if I made a sticky saying that creative lab speakers were causing VG to crash there would be a steady stream of people with issues that match that description. Not to say VG is trouble free just that 8800 graphics cards are no longer a source of problems. They haven't been for many many months not like they used to be like 6 months ago. That sticky is really ancient history.
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Ethion
Can we feed the hype meter for two games that are still being worked on more? AoC might not be as many of you suspect. Think GW with it's zones, toss in reactionary combat and that's AoC. War I think will also be a far cry from all the hype being tossed about these and other forums. The good thing about VG is we all know how it is and how it has improved over the last few months. It is a good solid game now.
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This isn't a question you should be asking in the Vanguard Forums. It just gives the remnants of this failed game a chance to hype up their disaster.
For Christ sake, people now use "Vanguard" as another word for failure and let-down. No one who plays Vanguard has any right to doubt AoC's features or potential.
Just give up and move on.
For my 8800gtx EQ2 was/is unplayable. Constant crashes, even freezes. This is a known EQ2 issue, not something I can do about it.
8800gtx in VG and vista x64 bit works great. No crashes, no FPS reduce, no freezes.
What can make you crash, is the sound card x-Fi due to its faulty drivers.
REALITY CHECK
Vanguard just needs to fix its performance issues. I played for a bit until the lag and rubberbanding got to be too much for me. I thought the game was pretty well done. It did lack a community. Once the fix the performance they should send out trials so people can judge for themselves and not let a community dictate what games they play.
The combat in Avencast is absoulutley nothing like AoC .
oh i better clarify my stance. I think VG is a decent game it would be a playable game for me with performance fixes( im an 8800 user).
I dont think you can compare a game thats gone gold(debateble) to a game thats still in beta. Isnt this thread kinda early. I mean AoC should launch before this type of thread is made.
Vanguard has already been killed. It was dead less than a month after launch.
By the way, you just broke your NDA with Funcom, and that's not something that they nor MMORPG.com looks kindly upon.
Vanguards combat system is almost identical to the majority of the fantasy MMOs on the market right now. There are some neat twists here and there, but still the same cooldown button mash as most other games. I am not saying the combat is bad at all, but it isn't a feature that sticks out anywhere above most other games out right now.
Conan is at least trying something new from the limited amount of information I have read. For better or worse who knows where it will end up until after launch. Not that I am buying into new release hype at all. It might be a great game, but I'm content right now with what I'm playing to wait and see how this title turns out.