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Only 1 of 2 Students Graduate High School In U.S. Cities
War_Eagle
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I don't blame this on the schools hardly at all. Maybe the school's are perhaps 10% at fault for this. Or less even. But I think that 90% or more of the fault for this lies with the parents. You've got a lot of people having kids who aren't ready to take care of them or who don't give a damn about their kids at all. And this is what you get from that type of parenting. Teachers and the schools can only do so much with the material that parents give them.
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| Apr 1 02:46 PM US/Eastern | |
Three out of 10 US public school students do not graduate from high school, and major city school districts only graduate one out of two students, according to a study released Tuesday.
In a report on graduation rates around the country, the EPE Research Center and the America Promise Alliance also showed that the high school graduation rate -- finishing 12 grades of school -- in big cities falls to as low as just 34.6 percent in Baltimore, Maryland, and barely over 40 percent for the troubled Ohio cities of Columbus and Cleveland.
And it said that black and native American student's have effectively a one-in-two chance of getting a high school diploma.
"Our analysis finds that graduating from high school in America's largest cities amounts, essentially, to a coin toss," the study said.
"Only about one-half (52 percent) of students in the principal school systems of the 50 largest cities complete high school with a diploma."
Based on 2003-2004 data, the report said that across the country the graduation average for public school students is 69.9 percent, with the best success rate in suburbs -- 74.9 percent -- and rural districts -- 73.2 percent.
Asian-Americans score the highest graduation rate, at 80 percent, with whites at 76.2 percent and Hispanics at 57.8 percent.
Women graduate at a much higher rate than men, 73.6 percent to 66.0 percent.
In the country's city schools, the study found that in urban areas generally, just 60.4 percent graduate, and in the principal school districts of the top 50 cities, barely half graduate.
Detroit, Michigan's main school district scored a graduation rate of 24.9 percent.
New York, the country's largest city, has a graduation rate for its main school district of 45.2 percent, and Los Angeles, the second largest, of 45.3 percent.
Only five of the principal school districts topped the national average.
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Yep, my brother is a teacher (6th grade). He says that it's all the parents when a kid does poorly. He tells me on parent-teacher nights, the only parents who actually show up are the ones who's kids are doing well. The parents of the kids who are failing don't show the least bit of interest.
It's a shame...With all the gangs, drugs, violence, alchahol, a lot of kids just don't think they have to go to school..
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As soon as these kids realize that life is a pile of crap with no education, social skills, or sense of responsibility, then the lessons they learn could change things quick. I'm not saying give up on them however. Let them fend for themselves for a while and when they get a good taste of life and want to turn things around then we can have remedial schools for these drop outs. At least at that point they will be there voluntarily and want to make a change for themselves.
But keeping kids like this in school is crazy. Walk into any middle school or high school and you'll see a bunch of kids bringing down the other kids. And those kids don't even want to be there nor respect what they are being offered. F*ck them. Life's a bitch. Let them find it out the hard way. They'll be crying back soon enough.
Of course, as soon as we actually took a tough approach like this, there would be an outcry of whining dropouts demanding their handouts from the government of the working man's stolen money! A good way to settle that though is to put a limit on who can vote. If you don't have the education to vote, then you don't get to. There are too many dumb asses in the booth now pulling the lever on who can get them the most instead of considering the good of the country as a whole.
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my point being just to clairify what you are saying, those things aren't to blame they are just influences to the problem the children are to blame.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
Ive seen it on parent teacher night. Normal classes have just a few parents and the Ap ones are packed.
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my point being just to clairify what you are saying, those things aren't to blame they are just influences to the problem the children are to blame.
Yes, very true. But peer pressure is stronger than some may think..
To add on to what I said, the parents are also a key part. If the parents didn't graduate from highschool and don't pay attention to their child, than it is almost gauranteed that they will be at a disadvantage. It is hard to succeed without help of your parents.
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- Do not require school by law, let them drop out and learn themselves
- Remove help aids like welfare and unemployment benefits
- Rework school curriculum so it's more relevent to the real world. Ex. Personal finance should have higher precedence than Biochemistry.
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Netzoko the third post you said I think is really relevant, when I was in Jr. High I was being taught how to graph quadratic equations, now some may but I don't use those in everyday life. Meanwhile economics was an ELECTIVE in High School so you really didn't have to learn anything about money all you had to do to pass was draw a freakin' "U" on a graph. Our country needs a wake-up call and now we're at a bad time in the economy coming up with half our population not being educated, well, why don't we just invite China in?
if the government, states, can make immunizations mandatory, why not a high school diploma? stupidity is just as contagious as any other airborn germ.
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I never finished high school because of my parents
they moved me to an area in the sticks and they enrolled me into a school that wasn't accredited... and they wouldn't transfer 2 years worth of credits when the school went under for fraud allegations
I scored a 1750 on my SATs
I went back last year and got my good-enough diploma
it's hard as hell to land a job with a GED
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Those classes (including math, etc.) are important because they train your brain to think a certain way. Logic is a learned process. Not enough people are trained in the process and it leads to irrational behavior and confusion amongst people who would otherwise be intelligent.
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And cause mass amounts of chaos and anarchy????????
Please suddenly jerking social benefit programs would cause nothing but a multiplication in crime rates overnight..
Remove unemployment benefits in particular, and every man who has a family will be tempted to turn to crime instead if a job isn;t available. I know i would do it.
As much as i don't believe in the way modern social benefit programs work, they are there for a reason.
Also are schools supposed to take the job of parents, while i dont disagree with schools teaching personal finance fromt he jist of your post you would have schools suplicate the job of parents which wouldn't work.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
And cause mass amounts of chaos and anarchy????????
Please suddenly jerking social benefit programs would cause nothing but a multiplication in crime rates overnight..
Remove unemployment benefits in particular, and every man who has a family will be tempted to turn to crime instead if a job isn;t available. I know i would do it.
As much as i don't believe in the way modern social benefit programs work, they are there for a reason.
Also are schools supposed to take the job of parents, while i dont disagree with schools teaching personal finance fromt he jist of your post you would have schools suplicate the job of parents which wouldn't work.
Whoa, you fell for the old, "government is the answer", line!
Bad, too.
If a person loses his job, then it should be the communities role to voluntarily show their good will and help the person out. That puts the responsibility square on the individual and those most closely tied to them. Ever heard of churches or support organizations? They're both private functions that do a much better job than the government in so many ways.
Government is a necessary evil that should be kept to doing only the minimal things that we absolutely need it to do. We have become so quick to rely on it for everything. And where do you think that money comes from that the government gives out to bring in votes? It's stolen from us in the form of taxes!
If I want to give to an organization that helps the poor and downtrodden, then so be it. But don't come at me with guns and bust down my door or garnish the fruits of my labor in the form of taxation. It's my money. Leave it alone.
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And cause mass amounts of chaos and anarchy????????
Please suddenly jerking social benefit programs would cause nothing but a multiplication in crime rates overnight..
Remove unemployment benefits in particular, and every man who has a family will be tempted to turn to crime instead if a job isn;t available. I know i would do it.
As much as i don't believe in the way modern social benefit programs work, they are there for a reason.
Also are schools supposed to take the job of parents, while i dont disagree with schools teaching personal finance fromt he jist of your post you would have schools suplicate the job of parents which wouldn't work.
Whoa, you fell for the old, "government is the answer", line!
Bad, too.
If a person loses his job, then it should be the communities role to voluntarily show their good will and help the person out. That puts the responsibility square on the individual and those most closely tied to them. Ever heard of churches or support organizations? They're both private functions that do a much better job than the government in so many ways.
Government is a necessary evil that should be kept to doing only the minimal things that we absolutely need it to do. We have become so quick to rely on it for everything. And where do you think that money comes from that the government gives out to bring in votes? It's stolen from us in the form of taxes!
If I want to give to an organization that helps the poor and downtrodden, then so be it. But don't come at me with guns and bust down my door or garnish the fruits of my labor in the form of taxation. It's my money. Leave it alone.
government is the answer in some cases.People aren't generous enough to support others they dont know as a rule, you can thank the men standing by the freeway off ramps for that.
I believe in limited government assistance on the condition that it is truly limited, no people on welfare for 15 years.
I believe that it should be something that is limited and that is payed back.
I do however believe in social security benefits for disability, your going to tell me someone missing both arms or who is paraplegic shouldn't recieve fair benefits.
I believe if regulated properly, and if we are not just blindly handing out checks to the points where people have made not so small fortunes frauding those systems. Then it is a good idea.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
I graduated High School with a 3.7 GPA, 1350 SAT, and I even have a B.S. degree now. However, with the competition right now. The job I have right now doesn't even require a High School Diploma, and I am getting paid more then I would be for an Entry Level position with a Bachelors Degree.
But the possible reasons for that are...These younger people are not prepared to work in competitive environments. They lack the disciple to do it. This makes it good for the ones that are able to cope with it in terms of wages and such as the realistic labor pool is actually much smaller.
Everyone pats them on the head telling them how special they are until it comes time to get a job then boss man says "get your sh*t together or get the f*ck out" and they cave in under the pressure.
In other words, they are soft and totally unprepared in some cases. Life is hard and they are not able to deal with that. Socialist thinking for our school system and a Capitalist work environment. Good luck with that, right?
Or, in the case of our inner cities conditions are such that making out of High School intact is a feat onto itself. Socio - economic conditions in some areas of our country outright suck. Thats no excuse but it presents a very real obsticle for people who must contend with (gangs, drugs, violence, and everything else that comes with poverty) on a day to day basis.
I thought with the no child left behind stuff everyone got a diploma? I thought all the parents had to do was sign something and the kid got a dipshit/lower intelligence diploma??
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
And cause mass amounts of chaos and anarchy????????
Please suddenly jerking social benefit programs would cause nothing but a multiplication in crime rates overnight..
Remove unemployment benefits in particular, and every man who has a family will be tempted to turn to crime instead if a job isn;t available. I know i would do it.
As much as i don't believe in the way modern social benefit programs work, they are there for a reason.
Also are schools supposed to take the job of parents, while i dont disagree with schools teaching personal finance fromt he jist of your post you would have schools suplicate the job of parents which wouldn't work.
Whoa, you fell for the old, "government is the answer", line!
Bad, too.
If a person loses his job, then it should be the communities role to voluntarily show their good will and help the person out. That puts the responsibility square on the individual and those most closely tied to them. Ever heard of churches or support organizations? They're both private functions that do a much better job than the government in so many ways.
Government is a necessary evil that should be kept to doing only the minimal things that we absolutely need it to do. We have become so quick to rely on it for everything. And where do you think that money comes from that the government gives out to bring in votes? It's stolen from us in the form of taxes!
If I want to give to an organization that helps the poor and downtrodden, then so be it. But don't come at me with guns and bust down my door or garnish the fruits of my labor in the form of taxation. It's my money. Leave it alone.
government is the answer in some cases.People aren't generous enough to support others they dont know as a rule, you can thank the men standing by the freeway off ramps for that.
I believe in limited government assistance on the condition that it is truly limited, no people on welfare for 15 years.
I believe that it should be something that is limited and that is payed back.
I do however believe in social security benefits for disability, your going to tell me someone missing both arms or who is paraplegic shouldn't recieve fair benefits.
I believe if regulated properly, and if we are not just blindly handing out checks to the points where people have made not so small fortunes frauding those systems. Then it is a good idea.
So, since you think that people aren't generous enough to support others, you think that they should (as Gnomexxx pointed out) have their money taken from them by the government under threat of violence? I don't agree with that one bit. How is that any nicer?I think people are generous enough to do this, they are just bitter as hell right now from having their money stolen from them. If you let people make their own decisions with their money I bet you'd see that generosity come out in full force. But even if it didn't, I don't see how you think stealing money from people to force them to give it to another is good or generous. That's called stealing.
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And cause mass amounts of chaos and anarchy????????
Please suddenly jerking social benefit programs would cause nothing but a multiplication in crime rates overnight..
Remove unemployment benefits in particular, and every man who has a family will be tempted to turn to crime instead if a job isn;t available. I know i would do it.
As much as i don't believe in the way modern social benefit programs work, they are there for a reason.
Also are schools supposed to take the job of parents, while i dont disagree with schools teaching personal finance fromt he jist of your post you would have schools suplicate the job of parents which wouldn't work.
Whoa, you fell for the old, "government is the answer", line!
Bad, too.
If a person loses his job, then it should be the communities role to voluntarily show their good will and help the person out. That puts the responsibility square on the individual and those most closely tied to them. Ever heard of churches or support organizations? They're both private functions that do a much better job than the government in so many ways.
Government is a necessary evil that should be kept to doing only the minimal things that we absolutely need it to do. We have become so quick to rely on it for everything. And where do you think that money comes from that the government gives out to bring in votes? It's stolen from us in the form of taxes!
If I want to give to an organization that helps the poor and downtrodden, then so be it. But don't come at me with guns and bust down my door or garnish the fruits of my labor in the form of taxation. It's my money. Leave it alone.
government is the answer in some cases.People aren't generous enough to support others they dont know as a rule, you can thank the men standing by the freeway off ramps for that.
I believe in limited government assistance on the condition that it is truly limited, no people on welfare for 15 years.
I believe that it should be something that is limited and that is payed back.
I do however believe in social security benefits for disability, your going to tell me someone missing both arms or who is paraplegic shouldn't recieve fair benefits.
I believe if regulated properly, and if we are not just blindly handing out checks to the points where people have made not so small fortunes frauding those systems. Then it is a good idea.
So, since you think that people aren't generous enough to support others, you think that they should (as Gnomexxx pointed out) have their money taken from them by the government under threat of violence? I don't agree with that one bit. How is that any nicer?I think people are generous enough to do this, they are just bitter as hell right now from having their money stolen from them. If you let people make their own decisions with their money I bet you'd see that generosity come out in full force. But even if it didn't, I don't see how you think stealing money from people to force them to give it to another is good or generous. That's called stealing.
your logic would work fine if the statistics of poverty, and starvation before federal income tax weren't much higher.
If people want to bitch about income tax this is not the right country to do it, our income tax is one of if not the lowest for our standard of living.
Most of europe has 2-3 times our tax rate.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
Alot of the most successful people in the world never finished school or went onto higher education, it's not the be all and end all because experience and talent counts for more than grades. I left school when I was 15 and i'm doing great in life and frigging don't regret one bit leaving.
Those who say that people will help each other as long as they don't have to pay taxes are naive and have no grasp of reality.
Answer me this question:
Was there poverty when people paid a lot less taxes than they do now?
And think of this: How come there is a larger percentage of poor people in the US than in the Netherlands?
poverty:
Taxes:
0-12% (state income)
0-10.3% (state income)
15.3% (federal payroll)
The US is paying less taxes than the Netherlands. According to the "logic" of our Libertarian friends there should be less poverty than in the Netherlands as people have more money to spend helping each other.
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Education doesn't mean anything.
I want to disagree about the biochemistry and math classes not being useful. Both, while unpleasant and possibly frustrating, are useful. In one case, it is necessary to ward off creationists who insist the world is somewhere between 6 and 10 thousands years old as well as to form a basis for medicine. 2 very important benefits if you ask me. As for math, it helps develop deductive reasoning and logic which the world is in short supply of.
I would like to propose though that there be some thought given over to making vocational training more emphasized in schools. I have never been in a shop class but who knows it might have been immensely beneficial.
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Yeah, right. I hear that all the time. You can't take a few people and make them the norm though. Overall more people succeed if they get a higher education. Statistically your odds of success sky rocket once you gain more credentials. People always want to point to "that guy" who succeeded even though he dropped out of school. What they ignore is all the people who didn't!
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