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Why do you have faith in SoE?
Kaikulux
Member Posts: 17
in Everquest II
This is a sincere question from a WoW fan, but why do you all have faith in SoE to deliver a great game? I mean, they're the company who made SWG. Plus I've never heard anything good about customer support in EQ, especially from the top guilds such as FoH.
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hehe most 'top' guilds have nothing but complainers in them who think they are better then the rest and want to be uber and show it
I played eq for 3 years and never had much problems (expect no GM's on during european primetime), offcourse some patches were buggy and had to be repatched and when that happends all the people that are addicted to the game start whining that they can not log on and the game is crap...and those people still play the game. It's in peoples nature to complain about everything, and on internet thats even worse.
I loved the gameplay in eq (compared to daoc, guildwars, lineage2, asherons call 2 and eve), and graphics werent bad (when the game came out over 5 years ago). People often only look at the negative things, while if they were playing on a good server with a nice population and maybe some rl friends the game becomers alot more fun (like in any mmorpg).
Offcourse im curious why you think blizzard will make a good mmorpg when they have no real mmorpg experience. ( and im not saying they wont make a good game, i just like the eq settins and graphics more and never was a warcraft fan which makes the choice between the 2 real easy, but im confinced both games will beat all other mmorpg's).
SOE did not make Earth and Beyond...
As for why I have faith? Well I enjoyed the original Everquest for over 4 years... I can definitly say im not disappointed with them at all. Have I played SWG? Ya but I don't care since the team behind either game are not the same, the EQ2 team is mainly new people with a few who have worked on the original EQ.
Im not interested in WoW because after playing the beta for sometime I noticed it was nothing but the same as the original EQ, no matter how much a WoW Fan will try to convince me its not, from what I have played I feel that it is. The rest of the game feels like a step back for the genre, I mean a Graphics Engine thats already dated prior to release? Come on! EQLives new engine (which is in use now but no current content takes advantage of it) will be able to pull better effects off then WoW...
SoE made earth and beyond...lol good one...and SWG doesnt suck as bad as people say it does. u either have to b a starwars fan or enjoy a diffrent form of lvling. and ur saying that we should trust blizz for a good game...hehe no...these r the people who cant take care of there own forums and run a good game. warcraft, diablo, and starcraft have the crapiest communitys ive ever seen. and judging from what i c on blizz forums...those same people will b on WoW.
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Ok one...SWG is CRAP......jsut like magus said...no SWG fan can convince me that this is a good game....sure the PvP looked like fun again the rebels and all that but thats about it.......
WC3 and frozen throne did not have a bad community.....I was in a gosu guild when I play and since my com phas been down idk if i am still in it....and in there you ahve all the high level gosu's and all of them are actually quite nice a social.
D2 and D1 have crappy community yes...becasue everyone i mean everyone all they ask for is a rush to and thru hell....so that they can fight cows....
and SC and BW are like WC3 and FT......I mean see in those games you can't ask to be rushed......sure me and a few friends go on and jusr BS people to hell.....why..because its fun....
you have to make friends for youreself on those games....I mean wc3 and sc are good games...i hate d2.....but you have to make friends inorder to have fun....if you ahve no friends on those games then why play them....but if your not gonna even try and make friends.......just don't play those sorts of games man.......maybe RTS...and a rpg like d2 is not your deal....
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Personally I don't have much faith in any company and rather just look at the individual games. All companies change in time and sometimes they can put out a streak of great games and then turn around and put out a horrible one. Employees and company policies change all the time and from one day to the next a company can be a very different entity.
Often Blizzard is thought of as having an amazing reputation for only putting out amazing games. I really don't understand where that comes from. They seem to be some of the most hacked games I have heard of and though I have enjoyed a couple of the warcraft games Diablo and Diablo 2 were mediocre at best imo.
SOE as a company doesn't mean much to me either. One reason I anticipate EQ2 is because the original EQ, from my prospective, is infinitely better then any other mmorpg to date. I am also very excited about the features they are saying it will include. I love the idea of voiceovers, the heroic opportunities combat system, the housing options, mounts, the trade skills and spell research, the ability to own your own sailing ship, the massive cities, the npcs that talk amongst themselves and interact with each other and the players, the large selection of classes, and the extensive lore and history of the world.
I have rarely had much interaction with customer support in EQ or any mmorpg I have played so I haven't had a bad experience to judge them on for that. While a company's history and customer service can help in your decision to buy one of their games I think it should rarely be the only factor. As I said before, companies change and yes they want your money. Fixing things they haven't done well on in the past is in their best interest to get your money even if it takes them a while and a few titles to do it. I would hate to miss out on an amazing game because a company had failed to impress me on an earlier title.
From a game perspective both WoW and EQ2 look great to me and I could care less who is making them.
I'm in the same boat as Misti on this one
. I don't ever judge a game by the company because the industry is CONSTANTLY changing, development teams come and go, policies change. What it all comes down to is if the game interests you. I have absolutely nothing against SoE or Blizzard. Sure I haven't liked some of the games, but that's not going to make me never buy anything from them again (And yes I did play SWG, it's pretty bland, but not a horrible game, just needs more content)
So I guess the same things can be turned around and ask why people have faith in Blizzard. I mean the key members who made all their great games are now gone and working elsewhere (Guild Wars). Blizzard isn't the company it once was, evident from recently seeing what they have done to Starcraft Ghost...
(But gosh darnit, I still love Blizzard anyways 
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I am in the WoW beta and I do agree with the other person who posted saying it's pretty much EQ, and to me that's not a bad thing, it just isn't what I expected. And as far as the graphics, I LOVE the art direction but the screenshots actually look better than the game unfortunately. That was one thing that really shocked me because I was so excited to see how beautiful the game looked, but it is actually quite dated looking in my opinion. I'll definitely be playing it at release because I just love playing as my Night Elf, but I'm not sure how much I'll be playing with EQ2 around
Personally I'll play anything and everything that looks interesting to me. Why be biased and miss out on a great game? Things change and everyone deserves another chance, especially since it's the development teams that make the game, not the company. The teams who made EQ, SWG & EQ2 are made up of different people for the most part.
Some people out there HATE Nintendo because they're too "kiddy" for them. And what does that get them? They miss out on some GREAT games just because they feel the need to be so loyal to another company (PS2 or Xbox). I just don't understand why people get caught up in these system/game wars. It's all about the games, just enjoy and be happy!
I could go on and on about how frustrating it is when I see people get caught up in a group/forum of people who bash on a game constantly and go along with it, only to later miss out on a great game. I have a few friends who didn't play EQ because they were too caught up in the UO people bashing it all the time, that they didn't even give it a chance. A few years later they decided to give it a chance (due to me hounding them), and what do ya know, they were kicking themselves for not playing it sooner.
All I can say is don't miss out on a game without fully knowing that the gameplay/graphics/sound, or whatever is important to you, is what you want in a game. There is no point in being stubborn and hating a game before you've played it, or for some people, even read up on it. Of course some people have been so wronged by a company that they'll never give them a second chance, but is it that horrible to forgive and forget? Just my opinion! WoW & EQ2 are going to be great games, BOTH of them
SWG isn't a bad game, it has just never fully recovered from a bad release (and probably never will). But you can't lay that all at the feet of SOE. They weren't flying solo on that game and were forced to release it two soon. Lucas arts had a lot of say in the game, so SOE didn't have full control over what was happening. If they had, I believe SWG would be a much better game than it is today. As it is, SWG has the best crafting system in any MMORPG with crafters being able to actually create unique items, and their bio-engineer creature crafting is simply amazing (even with the bugs it still has).
SOE did run EQ into the ground. It was never the same after Brad & company left. It started a downturn with SoL, and a nose dive with PoP from which it never recovered. But once again, this wasn't an SOE game. They didn't create the game, they just took over a game in progress.
EQ2 will be SOE's first solo MMORPG. They have total control, and this is swim or sink time for them. They have a lot of MMORPG experience for their first game though, so I expect it to be a well filled out game, and if it isn't, it could very well be the last SOE game I ever play.
BTW, a lot of those uber player, power gaming, content mulching guilds are going to WoW (FoH and AL to name a few), and I am interested to see if WoW can keep up with their masive consumption of content.
read this thread from SWG forum
seems like they pissed off alota ppl
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Developers&message.id=37212
$OE suxx just live with it
SOE didnt make SWG they published it. (or somthing like that)
I do always say taste the rainbow but i always sift through my bag o' skittles to get to the white ones.
Your just jealous because the voices only speak to me.
People love to hate large companies for no reason. This hatred for SOE is so EXACTLY like the bias comments found on the G4 Forums reguarding Microsoft. Your reasons for hating SOE are skewed.
Bad customer service at the beginning was the result of changing hands from verant to SOE. By Velious the Customer Service was perfectly fine.. Ive never had a problem in ANY SOE game INCLUDING EQOA.
SWG isnt a bad game at all, it was a huge project to undertake and co-develop with LucasArts which was having problems releasing a polished and engaging product at the time...kinda still is. SWG has gotten alot better and you people cant let go of a shaky start that up till then every MMORPG had to go through.
I have faith in SOE because the EQ2 development team is experienced (with not many developers from SWG lol), dedicated, and flexible. They are taking the time to design the best game EQ2 can be.
That post and many others have been deleted by the Nazis, oops I mean devs at SOE because we are epxressing our outrage. SOE has repeatedly lied to its player base at SWG, why would anyone think EQ2 will fare any better ? Its the same suits at SOE that run the show. Devs may be different, but how do we know ? We were told Kevin Q3PO was promoted and moved onto another project... better hope that lier isnt working on EQ2.
Im paying $15 a month to have 100% of SWG devs work on JTL apparently. People are pissed because we play a broken game while out funds and devs work on something else. Also, we were told by devs that JTL had its own development team, liers. And finally, our needed combat revamp has been delayed again in place of a space pack that most wont play now. We started several posts to boycott JTL and SOE responded by banning those people and deleting the posts
Have fun playing EQ2, I wont touch a SOE made product ever again.
There's nothing to do in SWG once you max out your character.. that's why I quit months ago, don't see combat balance really fixing it.. after all the battlefields all stink.. if anything they should have delayed the game at least a year, and gotten Space, player vehicles, player cities, and everything else in before the damn initial release, updates were fast and furious during beta.. then the game hit release and development went to a snails pace. Almost the entire team is Lucasarts people now btw. Have to admit they did do a great job in putting together a game that sold well, but didn't take many customers away from their core product (EQ).
I have faith in the SoE marketing department though.. I can already see things shaping up, here's what will happen.. OoW expansion released, lvl 70, new epic quests, it will sell about as well as PoP did, and effectively stop nearly everyone from heading over to WoW, shortly after EQ2's beta will come out.. a few months later, details of the heritage system between EQ1, and EQ2 allowing people to transfer items etc. to EQ2 will come out, and shortly after the game will be released, sucking the vast majority of the EQ1 players over to EQ2. The WoW fanboy's, and VU (the company that own's Blizzad, Sierra etc.) can dream, but Sony has everyone's nuts in a vice.. people aren't willing to give up characters they worked on for years very easily. DAoC was better than EQ (probably still is) , Anarchy Online is better than EQ, there's probably a half dozen other MMORPG's I haven't tried that are better than EQ, but it doesn't matter, and to top it off they have EQ2 on the horizon.
i love to hate small companies too if they suxxx
size dont count
That is a flat out lie. It will be impossible to transfer items from EQ to EQ2 because they are entirely different games. You might as well try transfering items from EQ to SWG. EQ2's stats, combat, and spell systems are completely different than EQ. People are worried about something happening that is completely impossible.
Regardless if its true or not, I wont touch this game thanks to SOE. Im sorry to say that too because the screenshots look amazing. However, there's another game out there that had amazing screen shots and amazing graphics called SWG. Beautiful but empty and buggy game and the absolute worst customer service I have ever experienced in a mmorpg. Also SOE doesnt like you saying anything negative about them on their forums. They frequently delete posts saying its off-subject. If that doesnt stop you, they just ban you from the forums outright.
SOE likes to ignore their customers, ban them, and censor them too much for my tastes. Even if EQ2 is the greatest game ever, I wont play it because of SOE.
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Blizzard does the same thing in case you havent noticed. If these are your reasons then you better boycott all MMORPG's. Presonally if I was making a game I would probably delete or at least moderate my forums too. You dont want some new player going to the website and all they see is "BOYCOTT SOE", or "THIS GAME SUXORZ".
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Since when did Blizzard delete constructive criticisms? Go read the boards, the only thing they delete are Troll/Spam topics, and lock off-topics.
They're no where near as bad as SOE.
Since when did Blizzard delete constructive criticisms? Go read the boards, the only thing they delete are Troll/Spam topics, and lock off-topics.
They're no where near as bad as SOE.
don't be a hater.
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
And you know what ? Even though lots of people bitched about it , lots of people still did the grind just because they wanted the slot.
It's pretty closed minded to say even if EQ2 is the best game ever I won't play it because it's an SoE game ... If it ends up being the best game ever then apparently they fixed their issues they had in previous games. I've personally never had a run in with SoE customer service except to get a surname changed by a guide in EQ live.
Everyone is going to have a different opinion about games due to the way they like to play and their personal experiences. Why do I have faith in SoE? Because I spent almost 4 years playing EQ and had a good time with it and all it's time sinks. Why do I not plan on playing WoW? Because the graphics look no better then EQ live which came out 5 years ago, and because there are going to be alot more options for races and classes in EQ2.
As for the transfer of items from EQ to EQ2 i've not heard of them being able to be usable. They are just things that are "heirlooms" that you keep in your home to look at.