If they are strapped for cash....

Vampirian28

let ppl pay to beta this game.

I for one would pay to download the game and help beta it just based on what it brings to the table, even if it is not close to being finished. And I am sure many many others would do the same....

Sound off if you would p2p now as opposed to letting this game become Vaporware...which it could do even if we do pay..but thats worth the risk to me!

 

 

LiquidWolf

I can't condone it. I encourage the "it's done when we say it's done" approach and believe a company should live or die by it.

Asking to Pay2Play beta would bring in too many people who feel their ideas should be used since they are paying to play this unfinished game.

With a pay2play beta, the game would never reach completion.

downtoearth

there not straped for cash there self publsihing in 1 region already

Seggallion

I would never pay to betatest a game, They should pay me for the effort tho =D

Vampirian28

I am not sure what the difference is....most of us have paid to beta a lot of games (EQ, Vanguard, SWG, AO etc)...unfinished games that are released to early. It causes a horrible reaction amongst the community and the game ends up blackballed and usually not able to recover from it.

If they allowed ppl to pay to beta it, everyone would know their intentions, would know what they are paying for and there would be no out cry from an unforgiving community about them releasing the game to quickly.

A great example of this is Vanguard...ppl have been paying to beta it for almost a year. What is so different? Granted the population is a lot smaller, but I am not saying to put DarkFall on store shelves. I am saying make it downloadable with only so many accounts available to control it.

A similiar strategy already exists but is done by websites instead...FilePlanet etc....you pay a membership fee to have access to early beta keys for a lot of beta's.

Hell I think it is a marketing strategy that only makes sense. As well as a finacial strategy that makes sense.

 

I guess the biggest difference here is wether or not the publishing company says it is released or not...if it's released it must not be in beta, even though you are paying for an unpolished product.

daarco

Originally posted by Seggallion


I would never pay to betatest a game, They should pay me for the effort tho =D

I agree.

But at same time i agre with the OP. Betas today seems as a joke. Players just take a chance to play a game for free, not many are interested in trying to beta test the game.  To pay for beta is one way to get the serious ones doing the job right.

Thats why its so nice to know Aventurine is using professional beta testers for Darkfall : )

mike470

Originally posted by daarco


 
Originally posted by Seggallion


I would never pay to betatest a game, They should pay me for the effort tho =D

I agree.

 

But at same time i agre with the OP. Betas today seems as a joke. Players just take a chance to play a game for free, not many are interested in trying to beta test the game.  To pay for beta is one way to get the serious ones doing the job right.

Thats why its so nice to know Aventurine is using professional beta testers for Darkfall : )

 

Closed beta is the only time when they should be relying on the community to get helpful information.  An open beta, for any game, should mean that it is almost ready for release, and mainly testing how the servers are handled

Isane

Originally posted by mike470


 
Originally posted by daarco


 
Originally posted by Seggallion


I would never pay to betatest a game, They should pay me for the effort tho =D

I agree.

 

But at same time i agre with the OP. Betas today seems as a joke. Players just take a chance to play a game for free, not many are interested in trying to beta test the game.  To pay for beta is one way to get the serious ones doing the job right.

Thats why its so nice to know Aventurine is using professional beta testers for Darkfall : )

 

 

Closed beta is the only time when they should be relying on the community to get helpful information.  An open beta, for any game, should mean that it is almost ready for release, and mainly testing how the servers are handled

So you guys have never played a released MMORPG constantly evolving always in Beta...

Vampirian28

 

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Unless you have insider access to their financials don't make assumptions that they have cash....last time I checked very few start-up companies have the cash to carry on a 4-5 yr project. Therefore they are like all other start-ups and when they run out of cash they have to find new investors....

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Aragon100

 

Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
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Unless you have insider access to their financials don't make assumptions that they have cash....last time I checked very few start-up companies have the cash to carry on a 4-5 yr project. Therefore they are like all other start-ups and when they run out of cash they have to find new investors....

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Darkfall is sponsored by EU and the Greece state. Aventurine SA is one company in a larger group of companies. Darkfall developers have the luxuary of chosing which way to publish Darkfall, selfpublish is one option and they gonna do just that in one region. Not all new developers have that option. Many need a outside publisher to make the game a reality. So dont worry too much, seems Darkfall developers stands very firmly on the ground financially.

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3331-Darkfall-Developer-Journal-1-About-Adventurine

[QUOTE] Aventurine currently employs 24 developers in-house and six professional contractors. The staff is international from Norway, Greece, Italy, the UK, the US, Denmark, and France. Its activities, other than Darkfall, are research into game and simulation technologies. We've also advised war-game simulation military projects in the past through other companies in our group, activities that have given us some valuable perspectives to be used in game development. The company also sponsors and supports sporting events, athletes, and competitive gaming tournaments. Aventurine is organized under the laws of Greece and the European Union as an S.A. Corporation. [/QUOTE]

You better read up on Darkfall policy a bit. They dont gonna ask people for 50 cent before you actually played the full game. So it wont be like Age of Conan where you preorder a game you have no idea about.

renier

Originally posted by Aragon100
Aventurine SA is one company in a larger group of companies.

No it isn't. Please name one other company in this "larger group of companies".

 

Originally posted by Aragon100
Darkfall developers have the luxuary of chosing which way to publish Darkfall, selfpublish is one option and they gonna do just that in one region. Not all new developers have that option.

Yes they do. Direct2Download and away you go.

 

Originally posted by Aragon100
Darkfall developers have the luxuary of chosing which way to publish Darkfall

 

Or the misfortune of being forced into self publishing. But love the fanboy spin...  really do.

Harafnir

 

Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
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Unless you have insider access to their financials don't make assumptions that they have cash....last time I checked very few start-up companies have the cash to carry on a 4-5 yr project. Therefore they are like all other start-ups and when they run out of cash they have to find new investors....

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Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall. This is extremly common knowledge and has been travelling around the grapevine for months, anyone with a slightest hint about MMOs know xactly how Darkfall is financed, and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it, which also explains why they rather spend years developing thana ctually relasing the game and having to survive on their own.

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renier

 

Originally posted by Harafnir


 
 
Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall.

No he didn't. All he said was that they were financed AT ONE POINT by the EU (doesn't mean they still are) and than went on to completely lie about it being part of a larger group of companies.

Apparently they had gotten a State Grant a few years back for around 200,000 which is junk money when building a MMORPG....

 

Originally posted by Harafnir


 and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it,

Oh really? And how do you know that?  Are you a psychic?

Vampirian28

 

Originally posted by Harafnir


 
 
Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall. This is extremly common knowledge and has been travelling around the grapevine for months, anyone with a slightest hint about MMOs know xactly how Darkfall is financed, and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it, which also explains why they rather spend years developing thana ctually relasing the game and having to survive on their own.
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Its funny that few ppl come to the forefront of fighting for this game, but the bottom line, if Adventurine was in sucha a great position financially, then why have they decided that silence is the best way to market their product?

It is suicide...it's ungeard of, you don't sit back on your laurels and assume because you have deep coffers everyone will eventually see the light...

You people are living in a fantasy world...if they were finacially sound they would have been spending millions per year on a product that is revolutionary. Instead they keep us guessing...if you think this is the way a finacially sound company operates then I can only assume you are not in the real world yet.

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Isane

 

Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
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Unless you have insider access to their financials don't make assumptions that they have cash....last time I checked very few start-up companies have the cash to carry on a 4-5 yr project. Therefore they are like all other start-ups and when they run out of cash they have to find new investors....

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They have cash (albeit a finite ammount) you don't have to be a Board member to realise that unless they are all working for nothing. They are working at their own pace, more cash is always nice but not necessarily a major benefit.

 

They aren't a start up company.

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Isane

Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
Originally posted by Harafnir


 
 
Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall. This is extremly common knowledge and has been travelling around the grapevine for months, anyone with a slightest hint about MMOs know xactly how Darkfall is financed, and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it, which also explains why they rather spend years developing thana ctually relasing the game and having to survive on their own.
<modedit>

 

Its funny that few ppl come to the forefront of fighting for this game, but the bottom line, if Adventurine was in sucha a great position financially, then why have they decided that silence is the best way to market their product?

It is suicide...it's ungeard of, you don't sit back on your laurels and assume because you have deep coffers everyone will eventually see the light...

You people are living in a fantasy world...if they were finacially sound they would have been spending millions per year on a product that is revolutionary. Instead they keep us guessing...if you think this is the way a finacially sound company operates then I can only assume you are not in the real world yet.

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And again Amusing but what are you really trying to acheive here, you can't prove anything you don't have any facts just assumptions. Just because you don't like the way Aventurine communicate well tuff.. If you can't live with it not the problem of these forums... 

Revolutionary.. I think you live in a dream world .. The game based on what the developers say it will have feature wise will be sound and very playable. Not revolutionary just a good game.. the catch being that there are few around at the moment that come close to being revolutionary or even good in my opinion.

Being financially sound and spending millions how does that work, I may be solvent but I don't have millions again broken logic ...

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renier

Originally posted by Isane


They aren't a start up company.

Yes they are. They were founded in 2002 and have yet to release a single product to market. Which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Originally posted by Isane


I may be solvent but I don't have millions again broken logic ...

You're also not a company trying to release a MMORPG.. if anyones logic here is broke , it's yours.

Aragon100

 

Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
Originally posted by Harafnir


 
 
Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall. This is extremly common knowledge and has been travelling around the grapevine for months, anyone with a slightest hint about MMOs know xactly how Darkfall is financed, and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it, which also explains why they rather spend years developing thana ctually relasing the game and having to survive on their own.
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Its funny that few ppl come to the forefront of fighting for this game, but the bottom line, if Adventurine was in sucha a great position financially, then why have they decided that silence is the best way to market their product?

It is suicide...it's ungeard of, you don't sit back on your laurels and assume because you have deep coffers everyone will eventually see the light...

You people are living in a fantasy world...if they were finacially sound they would have been spending millions per year on a product that is revolutionary. Instead they keep us guessing...if you think this is the way a finacially sound company operates then I can only assume you are not in the real world yet.

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 Vampirian28 - what youre intentions is with this totally useless thread is above me?

More like we understand theyre a smaller developing company with less rescources compared with the larger dragons in the business like Blizzard. A different reality, thats all.

If you then look a bit deeper into Aventurine SA and there way of prioritating on the funds they have youll see they dont prioritate making expensive advertisment campaings. Its a choice they made way, way back, got it?

Instead theyre putting all there funds and workload on making as a good game as possible with there resources. A good choice if you ask me. And what you contributed to this discussion with your home-made assumptions is less then nothing.

Hrica

If they are strapped for cash.....

Then sell to SoE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sam123jo0123

Originally posted by Aragon100


 
Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
Originally posted by Harafnir


 
 
Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall. This is extremly common knowledge and has been travelling around the grapevine for months, anyone with a slightest hint about MMOs know xactly how Darkfall is financed, and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it, which also explains why they rather spend years developing thana ctually relasing the game and having to survive on their own.
<modedit>

 

Its funny that few ppl come to the forefront of fighting for this game, but the bottom line, if Adventurine was in sucha a great position financially, then why have they decided that silence is the best way to market their product?

It is suicide...it's ungeard of, you don't sit back on your laurels and assume because you have deep coffers everyone will eventually see the light...

You people are living in a fantasy world...if they were finacially sound they would have been spending millions per year on a product that is revolutionary. Instead they keep us guessing...if you think this is the way a finacially sound company operates then I can only assume you are not in the real world yet.

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 Vampirian28 - what youre intentions is with this totally useless thread is above me?

More like we understand theyre a smaller developing company with less rescources compared with the larger dragons in the business like Blizzard. A different reality, thats all.

If you then look a bit deeper into Aventurine SA and there way of prioritating on the funds they have youll see they dont prioritate making expensive advertisment campaings. Its a choice they made way, way back, got it?

Instead theyre putting all there funds and workload on making as a good game as possible with there resources. A good choice if you ask me. And what you contributed to this discussion with your home-made assumptions is less then nothing.

Couldn't agree more, these people hit at aventurine for being a start-up company, but they have already achieved more than any of these haters of AOCboi's could do in their lifetime.



Even so it's like an ant shouting insults at an elephant - it doesn't work.

Vampirian28

You are correct...I guess I am making assumptions. This game has been in production for what, 4+ years now? Every 6 months (if not more) we get a small update. The general consesnus is this game will become vaporware. When a company chooses to not communicate with their community the way Adventurine has people can only make assumptions that are negative....

My problem here is I was attacked by a member saying that my post was stupid because of my assumptions...and so far every argument that has been made against me has also been an assumption. Not one link has been provided to prove fact. So we can all say that everything in this post is an assumption...what makes my assumption "stupid" but not anyone-else's. Is it because mine paints a reality that is not popular amongst the community?

So therefore everyone that is arguing against me is also making assumptions. But apparently I hit a nerve with a lot of ppl. It was not my intention at all. I was trying to provide an additional avenue of revenue for this company. My belief (which is an assumption) is that they are not as financially sound as everyone is making them out to be.

Again, I want this game to come out, but when someone states that they are not financially strapped and that the post is "Stupid", then yes...I will give reasons and defend why I think the way I do. And the only person I personally attacked was the individual who made the above comment. I took it personally. Instead of calling my post "stupid" he/she could have explained with facts why my post or thought process is erroneous

Aragon100

Originally posted by Vampirian28


You are correct...I guess I am making assumptions. This game has been in production for what, 4+ years now? Every 6 months (if not more) we get a small update. The general consesnus is this game will become vaporware. When a company chooses to not communicate with their community the way Adventurine has people can only make assumptions that are negative....
So far we got 205 Developer Journals or other news like videos during the time game been under development. Thats one every 10 day. Your also making statements based of knowing nothing. Why dont you first read up on the game and whats known before you start babbling about this and that? This thread and your replies says nothing. Thats right, nothing.
My problem here is I was attacked by a member saying that my post was stupid because of my assumptions...and so far every argument that has been made against me has also been an assumption. Not one link has been provided to prove fact. So we can all say that everything in this post is an assumption...what makes my assumption "stupid" but not anyone-else's. Is it because mine paints a reality that is not popular amongst the community?
Try this link first then, you might learn something about the Developers communications to the fans during the years which you obviously know nothing about.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29
So therefore everyone that is arguing against me is also making assumptions. But apparently I hit a nerve with a lot of ppl. It was not my intention at all. I was trying to provide an additional avenue of revenue for this company. My belief (which is an assumption) is that they are not as financially sound as everyone is making them out to be.
Im always backing my statements with information attained during my years following Darkfall. You base it on your gut-feeling.
Again, I want this game to come out, but when someone states that they are not financially strapped and that the post is "Stupid", then yes...I will give reasons and defend why I think the way I do. And the only person I personally attacked was the individual who made the above comment. I took it personally. Instead of calling my post "stupid" he/she could have explained with facts why my post or thought process is erroneous
You know nothing about Aventurine SA economy. Nada. You think this and you think that, but guess what, what you think mean less then nothing to me. Youre only success with this thread is making yourself look like a fool. I mean i can say that Tasos won 25 million dollars on the lottery and it would be as much truth as what your implying. Got it?

 

Vampirian28

• In October 2002, Aventurine S.A. was founded in Greece. The Razorwax team was integrated into Aventurine, and five other developers from Norway were hired into the company.^[11] When the Razorwax team and the Aventurine team had their first meeting in Athens, a member of one of the teams joked that Razorwax should relocate from Norway to Greece due to the lower taxes and cost of living in Greece. Eventually, the two teams realized that this idea actually made very good business sense,^[12] and by December 2002,^[13] the relocation of Razorwax was finalized. In the same year beta was announced and sign ups began. After 6 months sign ups were closed and the original declaration of closed beta was retracted. To this day claims persist that beta is "just around the corner".

The game actually started in 2001...so 7 years of development...

• In September 2005 the signup for the closed clan beta began. But the planned beta of Q4 2005 was cancelled. Developers have stated that before the beta, they would release a gameplay video ^[14], which they did in February 2006.

Ohh closed beta starts...yeah..umm..ok

• Aventurine did not have a playable version of Darkfall available at E³ 2006, an offline demo was presented instead. In June 2006, just after E³, the Darkfall team started releasing weekly Questions and Answers through Warcry, in order to help newcomers to the community.

No playable version after 5 years of development....but they have all sorts of money to throw at development...I would fire my development team

• An announcement on July 11, 2006 stated that preparations are still being made to begin beta.^[15]

Ohh beta is coming agiain....

• An interview with the developers on August 25, 2006 indicates that Aventurine does not have a publisher for Darkfall, and has considered the possibility of self-publishing the game.^[16]

No publisher...considering self publishing....considering being key word~!

• On January 17, 2007, Aventurine announced that a fully functional and stable beta build is running on remote servers and that the game is being shown to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc.^[17]

Being shown to prospective PARTNERS, DISTRIBUTORS and PUBLISHERS....yep they are financially sound. 6 months after possibly considering self publishing...guess thats not the ticket

• On January 30, 2007, Aventurine release a video containing about one minute of ingame footage, showing melee combat, mounts (including mounted combat), spellcasting and naval combat.^[18] The developers have stated that the combat will be similar to that of Mount and Blade.^[19]

• On May 31, 2007, Aventurine's 9th Developer Journal responded to some of the recent beta inquiries, and announced that their internal target date for beta is Summer '07. In addition, the main Darkfall site has continued to see regular updates to its Race, Monster, and Lands sections. Skepticism still surrounds the announcement due to the previously missed Beta deadlines however.^[20]

Why would anyone be skeptical?

• On August 2, 2007, Aventurine stated that although the game is technically ready for beta, beta will not start until negotiations with possible publishers are completed ^[21]

Almost 2 years after beta was suppose to start Adventurine says that Beta will nto start untill they have a publisher...

• On September 13, 2007, Updated public beta information added to Darkfalls forums stating "Solo player beta applications will be taken soon. Please watch the news forums for this." ^[22]

• On February 22, 2008, they released a new "Location Test Video" depicting several locations in the game."For today's update we put together a medley of location test videos, from in and around clan cities and racial outposts."^[23]

Aragon100, you are right..I should just accept the dribble of posters like you as well as the developers that this game is doing fine and everything is going "as planned"...

 

The ppl that want to argue with me seem to think that because I do not have their views I do not want this game to succeed...you are far from the truth here...I have been following the game since it was first announced back in 2001-2002...but I also have reservations when you look at the above timeline and the info we have been feed over the last 6 or 7 years....

But you are right...I should just accept what everyone is saying as fact and be happy

Aragon100

Originally posted by Vampirian28



In October 2002, Aventurine S.A. was founded in Greece. The Razorwax team was integrated into Aventurine, and five other developers from Norway were hired into the company.^[11] When the Razorwax team and the Aventurine team had their first meeting in Athens, a member of one of the teams joked that Razorwax should relocate from Norway to Greece due to the lower taxes and cost of living in Greece. Eventually, the two teams realized that this idea actually made very good business sense,^[12] and by December 2002,^[13] the relocation of Razorwax was finalized. In the same year beta was announced and sign ups began. After 6 months sign ups were closed and the original declaration of closed beta was retracted. To this day claims persist that beta is "just around the corner".

The game actually started in 2001...so 7 years of development...
Thats a matter of opinion. They merged late 2002 and Tasos claimed they restarted from scratch mid 2003. So mid 2008 its 5 years.

In September 2005 the signup for the closed clan beta began. But the planned beta of Q4 2005 was cancelled. Developers have stated that before the beta, they would release a gameplay video ^[14], which they did in February 2006.

Ohh closed beta starts...yeah..umm..ok
Theres info about whay they scratched it in Dev Journals later on. Main reason was that they felt they could do so much a better game then the 2005 one. Higher ambition level thats all.

Aventurine did not have a playable version of Darkfall available at E³ 2006, an offline demo was presented instead. In June 2006, just after E³, the Darkfall team started releasing weekly Questions and Answers through Warcry, in order to help newcomers to the community.

No playable version after 5 years of development....but they have all sorts of money to throw at development...I would fire my development team
3 years of developing mid 2006.

An announcement on July 11, 2006 stated that preparations are still being made to begin beta.^[15]

Ohh beta is coming agiain....
Yup its coming.

An interview with the developers on August 25, 2006 indicates that Aventurine does not have a publisher for Darkfall, and has considered the possibility of self-publishing the game.^[16]

No publisher...considering self publishing....considering being key word~!
Well its more then considering nowadays since they choosen to selfpublish in one region.=)

On January 17, 2007, Aventurine announced that a fully functional and stable beta build is running on remote servers and that the game is being shown to prospective partners, distributors, publishers, technology providers, etc.^[17]

Being shown to prospective PARTNERS, DISTRIBUTORS and PUBLISHERS....yep they are financially sound. 6 months after possibly considering self publishing...guess thats not the ticket
Aye they had them look at it, and?

On January 30, 2007, Aventurine release a video containing about one minute of ingame footage, showing melee combat, mounts (including mounted combat), spellcasting and naval combat.^[18] The developers have stated that the combat will be similar to that of Mount and Blade.^[19]


On May 31, 2007, Aventurine's 9th Developer Journal responded to some of the recent beta inquiries, and announced that their internal target date for beta is Summer '07. In addition, the main Darkfall site has continued to see regular updates to its Race, Monster, and Lands sections. Skepticism still surrounds the announcement due to the previously missed Beta deadlines however.^[20]

Why would anyone be skeptical?
Aye its right they had a internal target summer 2007, and?

On August 2, 2007, Aventurine stated that although the game is technically ready for beta, beta will not start until negotiations with possible publishers are completed ^[21]

Almost 2 years after beta was suppose to start Adventurine says that Beta will nto start untill they have a publisher...
Aye a publisher or selfpublish which been there first goal all along.

On September 13, 2007, Updated public beta information added to Darkfalls forums stating "Solo player beta applications will be taken soon. Please watch the news forums for this." ^[22]


On February 22, 2008, they released a new "Location Test Video" depicting several locations in the game."For today's update we put together a medley of location test videos, from in and around clan cities and racial outposts."^[23]

Aragon100, you are right..I should just accept the dribble of posters like you as well as the developers that this game is doing fine and everything is going "as planned"...
 Aye it was a nice video. And a good update. Glad you agree.
The ppl that want to argue with me seem to think that because I do not have their views I do not want this game to succeed...you are far from the truth here...I have been following the game since it was first announced back in 2001-2002...but I also have reservations when you look at the above timeline and the info we have been feed over the last 6 or 7 years....
One Dev journal or news just about every 10 day is not bad. Darkfall will be 5 year in developing this summer so its not that bad if you look into what theyre trying to achieve. So lets have some patience here.=)
But you are right...I should just accept what everyone is saying as fact and be happy
So have i,  followed it since 2001. And it feels nice were soon about to play it.=)

 

mbrandybuck

 

Originally posted by Aragon100


 
Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
Originally posted by Harafnir


 
 
Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall. This is extremly common knowledge and has been travelling around the grapevine for months, anyone with a slightest hint about MMOs know xactly how Darkfall is financed, and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it, which also explains why they rather spend years developing thana ctually relasing the game and having to survive on their own.

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Its funny that few ppl come to the forefront of fighting for this game, but the bottom line, if Adventurine was in sucha a great position financially, then why have they decided that silence is the best way to market their product?

It is suicide...it's ungeard of, you don't sit back on your laurels and assume because you have deep coffers everyone will eventually see the light...

You people are living in a fantasy world...if they were finacially sound they would have been spending millions per year on a product that is revolutionary. Instead they keep us guessing...if you think this is the way a finacially sound company operates then I can only assume you are not in the real world yet.

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 Vampirian28 - what youre intentions is with this totally useless thread is above me?

More like we understand theyre a smaller developing company with less rescources compared with the larger dragons in the business like Blizzard. A different reality, thats all.

If you then look a bit deeper into Aventurine SA and there way of prioritating on the funds they have youll see they dont prioritate making expensive advertisment campaings. Its a choice they made way, way back, got it?

Instead theyre putting all there funds and workload on making as a good game as possible with there resources. A good choice if you ask me. And what you contributed to this discussion with your home-made assumptions is less then nothing.

 

Aragon... No offense. You at least try and make valid arguments and do your homework searching the Internet for information. So, I applaud you for that. And, as a plus you can actually form complete sentences unlike downtoearth, who if he's older that 9, I feel sorry for him.

But, just know this. You can yell, scream, offend people, take liberties with truth and realty, et al... till the end of time. Until anyone gets to see an actual working alpha build (at the very least) of Darkfall, then very few people are gonna buy all the BS being strewn around.

Talk is cheap. Remember, at the end of the day, you guys may very well be eating your words. And, believe me, there's loads of words to be eaten.

Aragon100

 

Originally posted by mbrandybuck


 
Originally posted by Aragon100


 
Originally posted by Vampirian28


 
Originally posted by Harafnir


 
 
Aragon100 just explained the exact finansial situation of Darkfall. This is extremly common knowledge and has been travelling around the grapevine for months, anyone with a slightest hint about MMOs know xactly how Darkfall is financed, and will continue to be financed until the day they are actually releasing it, which also explains why they rather spend years developing thana ctually relasing the game and having to survive on their own.

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Its funny that few ppl come to the forefront of fighting for this game, but the bottom line, if Adventurine was in sucha a great position financially, then why have they decided that silence is the best way to market their product?

It is suicide...it's ungeard of, you don't sit back on your laurels and assume because you have deep coffers everyone will eventually see the light...

You people are living in a fantasy world...if they were finacially sound they would have been spending millions per year on a product that is revolutionary. Instead they keep us guessing...if you think this is the way a finacially sound company operates then I can only assume you are not in the real world yet.

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 Vampirian28 - what youre intentions is with this totally useless thread is above me?

More like we understand theyre a smaller developing company with less rescources compared with the larger dragons in the business like Blizzard. A different reality, thats all.

If you then look a bit deeper into Aventurine SA and there way of prioritating on the funds they have youll see they dont prioritate making expensive advertisment campaings. Its a choice they made way, way back, got it?

Instead theyre putting all there funds and workload on making as a good game as possible with there resources. A good choice if you ask me. And what you contributed to this discussion with your home-made assumptions is less then nothing.

 

Aragon... No offense. You at least try and make valid arguments and do your homework searching the Internet for information. So, I applaud you for that. And, as a plus you can actually form complete sentences unlike downtoearth, who if he's older that 9, I feel sorry for him.

But, just know this. You can yell, scream, offend people, take liberties with truth and realty, et al... till the end of time. Until anyone gets to see an actual working alpha build (at the very least) of Darkfall, then very few people are gonna buy all the BS being strewn around.

Talk is cheap. Remember, at the end of the day, you guys may very well be eating your words. And, believe me, there's loads of words to be eaten.

 

Well mainly it comes down to beliefs. I believe what i read, call me a dreamer if you like, but i really do believe in what the Darkfall Developers informs me. I have faith in them and the game. Darkfall is my dreamgame. It have all i ever wanted in a game and before they inform me that its not gonna happen i will continue to believe and have faith in them. I might be far out in the left field but to be honest i dont care. As long as Devs continue to inform us the fans about the game its hope for it.=)