Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Jesse Ventura, 9/11 reality check, FOX "news"
Blomi
Member Posts: 200
Governor Jesse Ventura repeats the still unanswered question: How do 2 planes make 3 buildings disintegrate to dust and fall at a speed that defies Newtonian physics.
Governor Jesse Ventura On Hannity & Colmes 4-8-08
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
It was an act of god, an angry god who's pissed about evolution, abortion, gay rights and the separation of church and state. Least that's what the only people who whole-heartedly believe the official explanation will tell you.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
what?
"news" in quotes, reveals your agenda.
chips, dips chains & whips.
chips, dips chains & whips.
Because everyone in your world fits into the simple minded left vs right paradigm?
Actually, a true non-controleld-demolition collapse would take over 1 minute to complete. Its simple physics, the math doesn't lie. The WTC fell at around 10 seconds, entirely consistent with controlled demolition. So why deny the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, and 7? Could it be too difficult to blame Osama for?
Because everyone in your world fits into the simple minded left vs right paradigm?
the world isn't much more complicated than that. some people hurdle through impossible obstacles to illicit complication to a very simple species.
chips, dips chains & whips.
Actually, a true non-controleld-demolition collapse would take over 1 minute to complete. Its simple physics, the math doesn't lie. The WTC fell at around 10 seconds, entirely consistent with controlled demolition. So why deny the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, and 7? Could it be too difficult to blame Osama for?
does that pertain to the unique way the WTC was designed and built? or are you generalizing?
chips, dips chains & whips.
Actually, a true non-controleld-demolition collapse would take over 1 minute to complete. Its simple physics, the math doesn't lie. The WTC fell at around 10 seconds, entirely consistent with controlled demolition. So why deny the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, and 7? Could it be too difficult to blame Osama for?
does that pertain to the unique way the WTC was designed and built?
Yes.
really? wow interesting.
so our government, cheney probably, planted that stuff that burns at blah blah fahrenheit to melt the beams or soften them, so they can collapse and the administration can have its war for oil, halliburton, new world order, bush revenge of saddam having a contract on his dads life.
now, let me pull a conspiracy out of this thin, carbonized air. Israel orchestrated the whole thing. all the nutjob complicationists have to do now is fill in the blanks.
how easy and simple was that?
chips, dips chains & whips.
FFS there is still discussions on this?! It was a controlled demolition and flying airliners into the buildings was a diversion to set off the explosives....riiiiight.
No offense, but Jesse Ventura took one too many hits while prancing around in the ring wearing his pink feather boa to be considered any kind of intellectual. The fact he was elected Governor doesn't say anything about him, but says alot about the voters who elected him.
I didn't realize how goofy Jesse Ventura is until now. Nuts.
The weird thing about this conspiracy is that it's so believable when you realize how many holes have been poked into this theory, it's one of the most interesting things I've ever read about.
So you have 19 guys right, middle eastern, flight simulator experience, box cutters, makeshift bombs strapped to their chests right and these amateurs are able to pull off a 270 degree turn at 500 miles per hour and pilot 2 747s into 2 narrow ass buildings and a third into the Pentagon, hit them head on(again no flight experience besides simulation training)
and there were eyewitness reports of explosions coming from the lower levels, not 1100 feet through an elevator shaft... destroying the fucken lobby... if there were an actual explosion it would have gone outward where there is more oxygen, the oxygen in the building would have starved the flame and explosions always look for the easiest way out by nature.
The government seized most of the footage of the third plane's impact with the Pentagon, the hole from the entry.. was too small to fit the circumferance of the airplane, upon impact an airplane would probably have more of a mushroom type impact similar to a hollow point than a hit-and-compact which seems to be the story they've been pushing... Eyewitnesses say they saw an object but it wasn't a plane..
What makes this more interesting is the fact that the law prohibiting pilots from carrying guns was passed in June of 2001, the US government knew about the hijacking plot before 9-11via the DGSE(France) and not only that, they allowed them to buy the flight tickets..
The Motive?
That's even easier, amidst the chaos and confusion, Bush got Congress to declare war, he got a bigger military budget, his favorite companies made billions, Oil prices skyrocketed, I'm sure he has a nice big paycheck waiting for him when he ends his term next year.
I think with all of the lies Bush has told that he's been caught on it'd be even worse to believe him than some hokey conspiracy theory.
Something else I've found when i was googling around :]
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
It's not at all at farfetched as you think :]
Trump 2016
The conspiracy theories of 9/11 just generate more smoke, not more light.
It's far easier to conjecture that the maladministraiton knew something was up (we know that there was concern in the summer about something happening) but chose not to take aggressive action about that something.
They probably did not know specifics, did not know the scope, but figured that it couldn't be too bad, and besides, it will give us cover for our own fascist agenda.
Which is what happened.
The American people allowed themselves to become fearful and be afraid, and as a result, they got precisely what they deserved...a regime dedicated to eradicating civil liberties and doing the basic will of Osama bin Laden.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
I don't necessarily believe it happened- I'm just sure that it's more than probable given what's happened and who has benefitted most from this war and that claims of "lunacy" have little merit.
Trump 2016
Not this crap again.
The controlled demolition hypothesis has been dismissed in the structural engineering literature.[3] Northwestern University Professor of Civil Engineering Zden?k Baant, who was among the first to offer a published peer reviewed hypothesis of the collapses, mentions the controlled demolition hypothesis in passing in a 2007 paper, co-authored with Mathieu Verdure. Affirming the view as presented in the NIST report, they note "a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives" as an exception. Baant and Verdure trace such "strange ideas" to a "mistaken impression" that safety margins in design would make the collapses impossible. While strictly speaking superfluous, one of the effects of a more detailed modeling of the progressive collapse, they say, could be to "dispel the myth of planted explosives". Indeed, Baant and Verdure have proposed examining data from controlled demolitions in order to better model the progressive-collapse of the towers, suggesting that progressive collapse and controlled demolition are not two separate modes of failure (as the controlled demolition hypothesis assumes).[3]
Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, also dismissed the controlled demolition hypothesis.[62] Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."[63] Finally, Leslie Robertson, who helped design the Twin Towers, debated Steven Jones on a radio program in December 2006.[64][65]
The most important part of reading is reading between the lines.
When you look at all of the videos taken of the towers collapsing, none of them are very clear-
from the top it looks like the dominos are falling downward
there are a dozen conspiracies like there must have been a missile attached to the fuselage.. or something i don't know about..
Something like that could be so easily disproven.. the pilot would have to fire the missile the split second before he hit cause it's a flash before the fuselage hit i guess- I don't believe that story has any merit
What would make sense would be a charge at the very top of the building to detonate and essentially allow the building to collapse upon its own weight... like dominos falling downwards
if the charge were at the bottom of the building the building wouldn't have started smoking from the top downwards, it would have made the building fall onto itself which demerits that theory
The biggest problem i have with accepting the story is that.. the government closed all investigations into the matter and denied all efforts to investigate ground zero which might have made a ton of people very very happy..
Myself included
Trump 2016
Because everyone in your world fits into the simple minded left vs right paradigm?
the world isn't much more complicated than that. some people hurdle through impossible obstacles to illicit complication to a very simple species.
I don't care about the conspiracy theorists, because, well, I just don't care.But if you honestly believe that people's world views can be cut into such definitive lines... you need to re-evaluate. I'm not going to call you a moron, but damn, that's pretty stupid and ignorant of you.
the left and the right pretty much cover all the issues. politicians draw the lines in the sand and choose a side. as a voting country we usually pick 1-5 issues that are important to us and vote accordingly.
i don't mean to suggest that people themselves are simple. on issues that matter however, there is hardly any diversity.
moron, stupid, ignorant. i dont mind being called names. Bush has been called worse on a daily basis and it doesn't seem to bother him much. so ill take it in stride, as he does.
chips, dips chains & whips.
Its amazing how uneducated this man is.
Structural engineers have said it was very possible that the massive amounts of paper in the building could melt the beams. Everything makes scientific sense. Sure if you dont know the whole picture it can not make sense, but in all honesty its sound.
Conspiracy theories are silly, You cant prove them wrong and thus in academic circles they have very little credability. Much like how Freudian Psychology is cast aside because there is no way to prove it wrong.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
April 8, 2008, 3:35 PM (GMT+02:00)
In his most provocative anti-US speech to date, Iran’s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad raised doubts about whether al Qaeda's Sept. 11, 2001 attack on New York actually took place. He was addressing Iran’s Nuclear Technology day, April 8, Iranian sources report. He went on to ask why the US had never released the names of the thousands of dead in the Trade Center attacks and how the most advanced security, intelligence and tracking devices in the world had failed to detect the hijackers’ planes before they struck the two New York towers.
Ahmadinejad is famous also for denying the Nazi Holocaust.
OP Join the club....
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
The questions still stand. Deny them, make fun of them, create elaborate logical loops to discredit them in your own mind. Whatever. There they stand, still.
The left believes in increased government involvement in society, for better or for worse. They attempt to do good, and they succeed at social reform, but it puts Big Brother in your backseat. The right preaches less government involvement with emphasis on tradition and values. The problem is, these values do not change as they need to, and have a tendency to become out-dated or corrupt. Either way, you're wrong.
And what if I like less government involvement, but feel that the small role that government should have should be to focus on social reform alone? What am I then? I'm right and left. I'm a bastard creature. I don't fit in either category then.
My point is, when it comes to opinions, and the human thought-process, you can't draw such definitive lines... ever. They just don't work. Because you'll find, in some way or another, that you don't fit in the generalization. And if you don't fit... why the hell is it there to begin with?
Where are these Questions? He had no questions that dont have answers. Please list them so I can get you the answers and we can be done with this silly thing.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
The left believes in increased government involvement in society, for better or for worse. They attempt to do good, and they succeed at social reform, but it puts Big Brother in your backseat. The right preaches less government involvement with emphasis on tradition and values. The problem is, these values do not change as they need to, and have a tendency to become out-dated or corrupt. Either way, you're wrong.
And what if I like less government involvement, but feel that the small role that government should have should be to focus on social reform alone? What am I then? I'm right and left. I'm a bastard creature. I don't fit in either category then.
My point is, when it comes to opinions, and the human thought-process, you can't draw such definitive lines... ever. They just don't work. Because you'll find, in some way or another, that you don't fit in the generalization. And if you don't fit... why the hell is it there to begin with?
It's hard to stereotype political parties because not all members of a party think exactly alike, there's a chart somewhere but I can't seem to find it.. so this one'll have to do
No real difference between this one and the one I'm thinking of, they just had political figures as examples..
(The Graph I'm thinking of is a lot more helpful)
Trump 2016