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SWG sub numbers
Gravez
Member Posts: 249
http://swg.activeframe.de/bb-std/tp-en/main.12.html
Going by those statistics released by SOE I would like to continue this thread as the only hard evidence of SWGs numbers. These numbers could rise or fall, and I am merely posting these to keep an active eye on a company who has closely held subscription numbers secret as actual evidence of their games subscribers.
I would like to update this weekly until SOE does not release these statistics.
From what I am seeing the total number of officers is 8816 this does not indicate alt or multiple accounts by the same user/ip/account owner or Station pass.
I will give a generous estimate of the people who play the game and those that pvp as 1/10%.
So that gives us 88,000 (rough estimate by SOEs numbers) as of 04/04/08 of people playing a STAR WARS MMO.
Comments
How do you figure these numbers were released by SOE?
Weekly officer/GCW reports
MMOG Chart estimates 70,000. That INCLUDES anyone who has EVER logged onto SWG using the Station Pass... Ever...
So the subscription numbers are nowhere near 80,000. Not even close.
Tecmo Bowl.
88,000 seems about right a lot I'd say 60k of these are on 6 servers though.
Good info.
Ajax
Nowhere near the 6k some people sources claim to have.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
If the numers go up I will post it. The info is available to anyone, they release it every Friday. If it goes up then so be it. (I wouldn't put it past SOE to release fake numbers lol, if they were going to release fake numbers it wouldn't be 8k).
All I really want is a good SW MMO.
Nowhere near the 6k some people sources claim to have.
You have hard numbers released by SOE.
You really are digging yourself into a whole here, the other thread you posted saying '1.4 percent' equal about 200k subs - and this once by estimation equals about 88-100k subs -
either way i really don't care what you have to say so save it for someone that does.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
The article I posted was from G4TV. Go tell them they're wrong, I think they'd love to hear it after Julio Torres couldn't spawn Obi-Wan on national TV.
Who even cares anymore? SWG is finished and not even relevant anymore, except as an example of how not to run a MMORPG.
The sorry few players that are left, will take anything that $OE puts in the SWG dogbowl.
Obviously you or you wouldn't keep attempting to hate on SWG, thanks for reading.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
I think what everyone wants is a god SW MMO. So I am just reporting numbers made public.Obviously you or you wouldn't keep attempting to hate on SWG, thanks for reading.
My personal opinion is SWG isn't it.
I think what everyone wants is a god SW MMO. So I am just reporting numbers made public.Obviously you or you wouldn't keep attempting to hate on SWG, thanks for reading.
My personal opinion is SWG isn't it.
And you at least have that, be the numbers skewed or not.
I don't need anyone to tell me what the "numbers" are, to log in on a trial and see the empty servers. How is the truth "hate"?
The vast majority of people that have EVER paid to play SWG have quit. No one could deny that and have any credibility whatsoever. A majority of those, quit after the NGE. No one would deny that, either.
So what is left? Station pass accts vs paid individual accts? Accts activated during a trial count towards active numbers? Are 14 day trials included? Do they count active accts or toons? Since $OE would never release all of that, and probably won't, there is no way to tell how many "people" are playing.
However many there are, it is not alot, otherwise 20+ servers would not be ghost towns (and they are there, for anyone to see) and the few remaining players would not be begging for server merges or free character transfers.
If the game was good, there would be more/enough people playing.
That is the bottom line.
close as it comes I think, guy has pretty much hit the mark on many MMO's , take it or leave it , still seems a descent amount still play http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
http://www.xfire.com/games/swg/Star_Wars_Galaxies_An_Empire_Divided/
these numbers aint bad, but they really need to close down at least 25% of their servers to avoid ghost servers
MMOs currently playing: -
About to play: Lord of the Rings Online
Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
You have to actually read some of that site to get the true picture:
Star Wars Galaxies (Accuracy Rating: C)
Since its launch on June 26, 2003, the number of subscribers to Star Wars Galaxies has always been somewhat uncertain. An official statement released by John Smedley, President of SOE, in March 2004 suggested there were then currently between 200,000 and 300,000 subscribers and that SW: G was the second largest MMO in the North American market. I assume he was discounting Ragnarok Online and possibly FFXI in that statement, so I put the number at that time at 275,000. Since then, the number of subscribers has fallen sharply, although there is no official word on exactly how much. In a more recent statement in March 2006, Smedley said that SWG was the fifth largest MMOG in the North American market, behind WoW, EQ, EQ2, and RuneScape, which would put the number of subscribers at that time somewhere between 175,000 and 250,000. Based on previously known data, I put the total number of subscribers for SWG at 190,000 for March 2006. Since then, that number has continued to decline, but the true extent of the decline is still uncertain. As of October 2007, sources indicate the game has approximately 100,000 subscribers, but I believe the number could be much lower.
Problem is, $OE almost never releases their numbers, and when they do, they never differentiate between stand alone subs, as part of station pass, or trial subs.
Now, it is even harder, because $OE used to sometimes drop the number of toons on a server, but now, because people have 2 or 3 per acct, even that gives no accurate way of measuring the "numbers".
Does $OE count the number of people that have ever played SWG, but no longer do, and still have a station pass? Do they count active toons or acct subscriptions? Do they count accts that were active during a quarter, and do those on vet trials count in the "numbers", even though no one paid?
I have no doubt that $OE has been playing math games with their acct numbers for years, and it is possible, that they don't want to waste the time going through station pass data to see who is playing what.
But, I have a feeling that the sub numbers $OE was pushing up to Sony did not meet the revenue they were posting. It would be a pretty significant factor in $OE's being absorbed by the other Sony division. There are few corporate sins worse than fudging the numbers in-house.
Bottom line is that many of us just took a vet trial and saw how totally empty the servers were/are. I looked on 3 servers, including Bria during US primetime, and saw almost no one. Anyone can go do a trial and see that for themselves, assuming you can get the 14-day deal to download correctly......
You have to actually read some of that site to get the true picture:
Star Wars Galaxies (Accuracy Rating: C)
Since its launch on June 26, 2003, the number of subscribers to Star Wars Galaxies has always been somewhat uncertain. An official statement released by John Smedley, President of SOE, in March 2004 suggested there were then currently between 200,000 and 300,000 subscribers and that SW: G was the second largest MMO in the North American market. I assume he was discounting Ragnarok Online and possibly FFXI in that statement, so I put the number at that time at 275,000. Since then, the number of subscribers has fallen sharply, although there is no official word on exactly how much. In a more recent statement in March 2006, Smedley said that SWG was the fifth largest MMOG in the North American market, behind WoW, EQ, EQ2, and RuneScape, which would put the number of subscribers at that time somewhere between 175,000 and 250,000. Based on previously known data, I put the total number of subscribers for SWG at 190,000 for March 2006. Since then, that number has continued to decline, but the true extent of the decline is still uncertain. As of October 2007, sources indicate the game has approximately 100,000 subscribers, but I believe the number could be much lower.
50,000 would still be allot more then I would think would still be playing to be honest, thou I think you just passed over the part were I wrote " take it or leave it". Again even it was 50k, that still a descent amount for this title that has been threw what it has been.
Edit: I should note, my actual feeling about SOE at this point is quantity over quality in their MMO's going with the concept of the sell a monthly package then a single MMO. Which at this point is probably their only saving grace.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
I'm sorry but the best known sci-fi ip in the world should be able to attract more than 50k players. It's certainly nothing for SOE to be proud of.
You're dead on with regards to SOE being all about quantity over quality. There's a reason it's called the Station Pass Life Support System.
Sir Bruce posted in the MMORPG Pub in reply to my question about the subs for SWG...
He said that SWG subscriptions, according to his data collection, include ANYONE who has EVER used the Station Pass to play SWG, even once, since the Station Pass has been around.
So if Bob Smith who owns a Station Pass logs into SWG and plays even one time, then says "this game sucks" and NEVER plays it again, he is considered a current subscriber.
So the numbers you are "praying" are that high simply are not anywhere NEAR that high. Sorry to rain on the fanboy parade over here but this comes from the mouth of Sir Bruce himself.
: )
Tecmo Bowl.
He did post a response to that? In the news section. All I see is his reference to Grimwell from EQ2
From the EQ2 Bruce linked to:
"Grimwell may have also been confused by the numbers he was looking at, which may not include entitled station pass accounts or recently active game time cards in the subscriber figures."
I find that particularly funny. Either it does or it doesn't, if you use Station Pass numbers only part of the time then your numbers are going to be wrong.
and his other SOE comment:
"But in this case Grimwell went way too far in pretty much disparaging the whole site based on the supposed fact that some of the SOE numbers are more than 10% off, which isn't surprising since many are over a year old."
So, we have Bruce commenting that yes, he doesn't use Station Pass or recently active time cards and the fact that many SOE numbers are over a year old. No reference in there to SWG or counting Station Pass numbers for that game specifically. Afterall, if he counts them for one, why not all?
I didn't see your post on there Thunderous, could you point it out, or was it under another name?
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/173670/page/4
"Remember that anyone who has a station pass and EVER subbed to SWG is still counted, because they're still paying for access to it. So if you have a station pass, played SWG, and are now playing EQII, you're still counted as a SWG subscriber as well."
Bruce
Tecmo Bowl.
Well, it sure seems to flip flop on whether Station Pass is used
from:
"Remember that anyone who has a station pass and EVER subbed to SWG is still counted, because they're still paying for access to it. So if you have a station pass, played SWG, and are now playing EQII, you're still counted as a SWG subscriber as well."
to:
"Grimwell may have also been confused by the numbers he was looking at, which may not include entitled station pass accounts or recently active game time cards in the subscriber figures"
/shrug
He needs to make up his mind.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
When you log on it isn't hard to see which theory is more accurate.
There are NOWHERE near 70,000 people playing this game, not even close.
Tecmo Bowl.
And yet he has his number for SWG at 100k
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"