Why are devs now making all betas open only to those who subscribe to stupid sites like fileplanet or whatever?
It's marketing, pure and simple. If you have to subscribe to gamespot or fileplanet in order to have access to the beta, then you will most likely at least check out their web sites.
Then when game releases, they will probably the one of, if not the only digital download site.
It's a you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours kinda cross advertising deal.
edit: oh, yeah, when you get tired of waiting in 3 hour queue's to download stuff from fileplanet, you'll probably pay the premium fee to use their service, etc and so on. It gets twisted after awhile.
Exactly! File planet makes millions of dollars a year annually because people get tired of waiting in queue and want their down load NOW! It is nothing but a ploy for more money. Then again, hosting servers are not free to maintain, so I understand why fileplanet does this. The shady part is that the developers will point their fingers over to fileplanet and tell the fans to "go play for free" next weekend knowing full well that a good percentage of those folks will be paying to play.
File planet might make some money, but I think you really over estimate it's value. IGN corp a sub of FOX network definitly pulls in millions a year, but FP by it's own, I haven't seen such numbers posted anywere other then from you. Nothing worse then getting facts wrong with opinions on the matter. I might care for companies or people exploiting the good will of the gaming community for their own benifit such as df here, but it's worse when the community gets their facts wrong just so their stance seems to have more levy then it actually does.
so to fix your response it would be sum'd up as...
"Exactly! file planet can make money because american childern are inpatient and have enherted their parent's I want it now additude. Frankly that is the reason people buy into File Planet and other such services, if you ask me they are just telling us to bend over! I should get it for free, my family was once hermits in the middle ages and someone needs to pay for it! Freakn bastages!"
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Regardless of the response to the OP, who here wouldn't rush immeadiately to sign up for a PvP stress test if it was announced for Darkfall? I'd do it out of simple curiosity.
As would most of the unbelievers and bashers, and everyone who has already said this game is never going to release.
True but you're overlooking the critical subordinating conjunction in my post.
"who here wouldn't rush immeadiately to sign up for a PvP stress testIFit was announced for Darkfall."
After all this time in development, the Forum editor doesn't have a font big enough for that 'IF'.
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Couldn't agree more, these people bash aventurine for being an indie company - but they couldn't achieve anything close to what aventurine is doing in their lifetime.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
Really? Do you think if they gave a demo the haters would be satisfied. Look at AOC, its had lots of demos, many folks playing the beta, and yet, its seems to have its fair share of haters.
I don't think anything really appeases the haters, not even a release.
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Darkfall Dev's need to do 2 things : Firstly release a full detail vid of darkfall explaining basics...eg combat. I think the community would be more than happy to see how darkfall works since basicly we dont have much info on combat and proffessions. Secondly announce a date for beta, i think the thing thats holding them back from announcing beta is just geting a loud of bad press if the standards arnt met and all that e.g whats happening to AoC now from betal leaks about invisible worlds and class probs...ect
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
Really? Do you think if they gave a demo the haters would be satisfied. Look at AOC, its had lots of demos, many folks playing the beta, and yet, its seems to have its fair share of haters.
I don't think anything really appeases the haters, not even a release.
Really? You seriously don't think a video would help, it would prolly even help the fanboys?? AoC has many haters becuase of the bad news from beta, and did not have as many haters since all of the bad rumors coming out. Every game has haters, but it's up to the devs to see how many haters there actually are (which is why Darkfall has large amounts of trolls/haters).
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Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
Really? Do you think if they gave a demo the haters would be satisfied. Look at AOC, its had lots of demos, many folks playing the beta, and yet, its seems to have its fair share of haters.
I don't think anything really appeases the haters, not even a release.
IMO, many "Darkfall Haters" are former fanbois. Give them a reason to believe Darkfall is something other than vaporware, and they'll quiet down for a bit.
Show this "fully functional and stable" beta build (Adventurine claim from Jan, 2007) to a reputable source, and I will settle down. Hell, it should be pretty good now, considering the "pro-testers" and advanced "AI" that have been at it for over a year.
What Kien said. Show this "fully functional and stable" beta build (Adventurine claim from Jan, 2007) to a reputable source, and I will settle down. Hell, it should be pretty good now, considering the "pro-testers" and advanced "AI" that have been at it for over a year. I want to beleive, really I do. signed, A Darkfall Realist
I agree 100%. Show this game to a credible source and set everyone straight. It will only serve to reinforce the game as haters and fanboys alike will have actual evidence instead of speculation and a few screenshots.
Let's get real folks, at this point, 6 or so years after being announced, having so little evidence of the game's existence only hurts it. I mean how many times will people have to deal with "the game is stable and ready for beta"? As far we've been told, it's been stable and ready for beta for the past 3 years.
And although the Warcry editorial was a little harsh on Darkfall, there is truth to it. Age of Conan may not be a perfect game and probably has it's share of faults but at least Funcom have a game to beta and release. All Aventurine has is promises and a few screenshots.
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Couldn't agree more, these people bash aventurine for being an indie company - but they couldn't achieve anything close to what aventurine is doing in their lifetime.
Icarus Studios, which is producing Fallen Earth, looks to be a fine company putting out a good product. They put out a game update every week, and apologize when its late. They also read the official boards extensively and take some input from there for both game inputs and questions of the week. They haven't promised anything they haven't delivered, and have put out a good many film clips in different places, showing actual gameplay and game mechanics at work. In short, they are doing it right, as an Indie developer.
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
It's not the matter of the customer being right, it's a matter of providing proof for the claims that Aventurine made. Yes, they are free to develop their game any way they like. Or not develop it for that matter. The problem arises when Aventurine start hyping up their game but making claims about their non-existent product. I say "non-existent" because there really is no proof that it exist in a playable form yet.
It basically boils down to this: if you are going to make claims, please be so kind to back them up. What does Aventurine devs do instead? Provide more hype and make more claims.
Here's an anology for you, I tell you that I have a dollar bill and you ask me to show it to you. I show you a picture of a dollar bill and tell you that my dollar is newer and crisper than other people's dollars. That's what Darkfall devs are doing. They make belittling remarks about other games yet offer no proof of their own product except for pictures and wild claims like semi-intelligent bots doing the beta testing. The messed up thing is that the fanboys are eating this bullshit up by the bucketfuls.
Edit: Besides all that, I was a part of an internet start-up a few years back and Aventurine offices look way too clean from the pictures in the interviews. It's hard to explain unless you experience it first hand. It does not look like an office where people spend most of their time. It looks too pristine. You can look at Funcom developer's office and other development houses and see the difference. A start-up office, just like my office looked "lived in" with posters, slogans, pictures etc. But Aventurine office doesn't. For an office that had employees working in it for a few years building a game, Aventurine office looks too pristine and unused.
Basically, I looked at their office shots and said "this does not look right." So you can BS yourselves all you want but my experience with start-ups screams bullshit!
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Couldn't agree more, these people bash aventurine for being an indie company - but they couldn't achieve anything close to what aventurine is doing in their lifetime.
You constantly make questionable comments.
So tell us.... What exactly has Aventurine achieved?
Well they have a 54 year old ambulance chaser acting like a 16 year old kid. That is quite the achievement
He mans up to the question and gives out a bit of his personal life, which you mock.
If he is acting childish, what does that make you?
You have failed to answer HIS questions. Until you do, you really have nothing to be smug about.
To answer the guy's question. I have helped build homes in florida for families hit by hurricanes, served my country in the first gulf war, helped families hit by katrina by setting up emergency email servers so they could get messages out, and raised a beautiful child. Aventurine is making a game... that does not even come close.
I live in the real world where smoke and mirrors just don't cut it. That's all you fanboys have... show me proof of concept for any "feature" DF is suppose to have. Just one.
We're talking games here, right ? This is not a contest about who did what best in RL. I bet he or you, haven't released one game. Now critizising someone else for not releasing a game then looks at best a little silly.
Now if you served, that is fine. I have done my duty when called as well. It doesn't give you better moral ground on this playing field.
Actually, back in the late 1980's and early 1990's I developed computer RPG's for the IBM PC. They were DOS based games similar to the Ultima series and sold in all major game stores throughout the country. Later, in 1994, I took ownership of the product and re-released one of the major titles ( very similar to Ultima 5), as shareware. The game sold to literally thousands of people all over the world. Many people enjoyed the RPG's i created.
I haven't programmed since, nor am I capable of producing something as complex as an MMO or even multiplayer to be honest.
But... Since you made another false assumption, I felt it necessary to respond.
And no... I don't want to give out the name of the major title I designed and created, nor the publisher. Reason is simple. You can still find it on the Internet today. There are many older DOS based gaming forums currently active on the Net, and people mention my personal name on those sites. A simple google would lead to my real name, which I don't want exposed here.
Sorry, not everything is always as it appears.
Zounds, you are being as evasive as the Aventurine foks. Also, your career spans from game design, publishing and you're a lawyer as well. Amazing, doesn't seem possible that one person's life could really take a route like that (don't forget, still manage to have a wonderful family)
Looking at the whole picture, I'd say it all sounds too good to be true really, so I'm not going to believe it.
See, you're in the same boat as Aventurine; lots of things said you can't really (or aren't willing to) prove, at least from where I sit. Sounds a lot like Darkfall to me.
Why not let the fans enjoy their hopes and dreams. They'll either come true one day or not, but its certainly no skin off your backside either way.
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Well they have a 54 year old ambulance chaser acting like a 16 year old kid. That is quite the achievement
He mans up to the question and gives out a bit of his personal life, which you mock.
If he is acting childish, what does that make you?
You have failed to answer HIS questions. Until you do, you really have nothing to be smug about.
To answer the guy's question. I have helped build homes in florida for families hit by hurricanes, served my country in the first gulf war, helped families hit by katrina by setting up emergency email servers so they could get messages out, and raised a beautiful child. Aventurine is making a game... that does not even come close.
I live in the real world where smoke and mirrors just don't cut it. That's all you fanboys have... show me proof of concept for any "feature" DF is suppose to have. Just one.
Just wanted to say thank you for speaking on my behalf. I applaud your service to our country and the fine volunteer work you performed for many deserving people.
I was drafted and served our country in Vietnam. My best friend was killed there during one of our missions. It seems silly to be responding to posts about a video game after that experience in life but, video games are my passion and hobby.
Well they have a 54 year old ambulance chaser acting like a 16 year old kid. That is quite the achievement
He mans up to the question and gives out a bit of his personal life, which you mock.
If he is acting childish, what does that make you?
You have failed to answer HIS questions. Until you do, you really have nothing to be smug about.
To answer the guy's question. I have helped build homes in florida for families hit by hurricanes, served my country in the first gulf war, helped families hit by katrina by setting up emergency email servers so they could get messages out, and raised a beautiful child. Aventurine is making a game... that does not even come close.
I live in the real world where smoke and mirrors just don't cut it. That's all you fanboys have... show me proof of concept for any "feature" DF is suppose to have. Just one.
We're talking games here, right ? This is not a contest about who did what best in RL. I bet he or you, haven't released one game. Now critizising someone else for not releasing a game then looks at best a little silly.
Now if you served, that is fine. I have done my duty when called as well. It doesn't give you better moral ground on this playing field.
Actually, back in the late 1980's and early 1990's I developed computer RPG's for the IBM PC. They were DOS based games similar to the Ultima series and sold in all major game stores throughout the country. Later, in 1994, I took ownership of the product and re-released one of the major titles ( very similar to Ultima 5), as shareware. The game sold to literally thousands of people all over the world. Many people enjoyed the RPG's i created.
I haven't programmed since, nor am I capable of producing something as complex as an MMO or even multiplayer to be honest.
But... Since you made another false assumption, I felt it necessary to respond.
And no... I don't want to give out the name of the major title I designed and created, nor the publisher. Reason is simple. You can still find it on the Internet today. There are many older DOS based gaming forums currently active on the Net, and people mention my personal name on those sites. A simple google would lead to my real name, which I don't want exposed here.
Sorry, not everything is always as it appears.
Zounds, you are being as evasive as the Aventurine foks. Also, your career spans from game design, publishing and you're a lawyer as well. Amazing, doesn't seem possible that one person's life could really take a route like that (don't forget, still manage to have a wonderful family)
Looking at the whole picture, I'd say it all sounds too good to be true really, so I'm not going to believe it.
See, you're in the same boat as Aventurine; lots of things said you can't really (or aren't willing to) prove, at least from where I sit. Sounds a lot like Darkfall to me.
Why not let the fans enjoy their hopes and dreams. They'll either come true one day or not, but its certainly no skin off your backside either way.
You're an ignorant moron. I no longer wish to listen to 13 year olds explain to me the facts of life.
Enjoy Darkfall.
I'm done with this forum, so don't bother to respond.
The assumption that Darkfall owe, random posters here anything is a joke they have show that they are the Masters of their own destiny. Love to see the flamers self imploding as they dont get their own way.
If Darkfall releases or doesn't they have stuck to their guns I applaud them.
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Darfall has high vaporware potential because it has all of the warning signs . I think most people that have been around the MMO block can't take this title seriously for reasons that shouldn't need explaining. I don't want to see any MMO fail to release since it's still a small genre but just going by what's known as fact combined with the absurd amount of development time and it should be enough to make your average gamer wary.
I've been periodically following it for about 5 years and I still know about as much about it today as I did back then. It's always had some hype going for it with all the dev pillow talk but if they're really serious about releasing a successful game then they're going to have to start seriously showing what they have. But I have a strong feeling this game will never see the light of day. If it does then I sure hope it's absolute perfection after a century of development.
hmm, why so many here try to claim you dont like DF? Its not as you can prove you dont like it! Some haters come here more often the the fanbois, aking them the biggest fanbois.
And that Aventurine need to clean up the bullshit?? They havent done anything, not asked for your money, nor your "lojalty". They almost do the opposit. Go and follow the games you want to play....ohhh..you want to play DF. Then please come up with some interesting shit to read for once.
You dont see me on the WoW section asking for good gameplay, thats because i dont care if they will ever release anything good.
hmm, why so many here try to claim you dont like DF? Its not as you can prove you dont like it! Some haters come here more often the the fanbois, aking them the biggest fanbois. And that Aventurine need to clean up the bullshit?? They havent done anything, not asked for your money, nor your "lojalty". They almost do the opposit. Go and follow the games you want to play....ohhh..you want to play DF. Then please come up with some interesting shit to read for once. You dont see me on the WoW section asking for good gameplay, thats because i dont care if they will ever release anything good.
They do ask people on their boards to go out and spread the "word" of DF. Are those religious nuts that go door to door selling you something? no. That does not stop you from getting annoyed that they trampled your welcome mat and only knock when you are eating dinner.
If you don't think DF is trying to sell you something, then you do not understand how marketing works.
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They do ask people on their boards to go out and spread the "word" of DF. Are those religious nuts that go door to door selling you something? no. That does not stop you from getting annoyed that they trampled your welcome mat and only knock when you are eating dinner.
If you don't think DF is trying to sell you something, then you do not understand how marketing works.
Yup I remember that... they said they wanted the community to go out and "spread the word"... basically SPAM the word... it was a long while back but I remember..
Aventurine doesn't need to clear up any rumors, they are free to develop (or not) the game as they please.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
It's not the matter of the customer being right, it's a matter of providing proof for the claims that Aventurine made. Yes, they are free to develop their game any way they like. Or not develop it for that matter. The problem arises when Aventurine start hyping up their game but making claims about their non-existent product. I say "non-existent" because there really is no proof that it exist in a playable form yet.
It basically boils down to this: if you are going to make claims, please be so kind to back them up. What does Aventurine devs do instead? Provide more hype and make more claims.
Here's an anology for you, I tell you that I have a dollar bill and you ask me to show it to you. I show you a picture of a dollar bill and tell you that my dollar is newer and crisper than other people's dollars. That's what Darkfall devs are doing. They make belittling remarks about other games yet offer no proof of their own product except for pictures and wild claims like semi-intelligent bots doing the beta testing. The messed up thing is that the fanboys are eating this bullshit up by the bucketfuls.
Edit: Besides all that, I was a part of an internet start-up a few years back and Aventurine offices look way too clean from the pictures in the interviews. It's hard to explain unless you experience it first hand. It does not look like an office where people spend most of their time. It looks too pristine. You can look at Funcom developer's office and other development houses and see the difference. A start-up office, just like my office looked "lived in" with posters, slogans, pictures etc. But Aventurine office doesn't. For an office that had employees working in it for a few years building a game, Aventurine office looks too pristine and unused.
Basically, I looked at their office shots and said "this does not look right." So you can BS yourselves all you want but my experience with start-ups screams bullshit!
Aventurine and its Developers own you jack shit. Whether you believe them and their statements is up to you. I dont care the slightest if you believe them or not and i sincerely doubt they care either. If youre getting upset cause they dont follow the standard procedures in advertisings and for that you claim theyre just BS-talk is nothing but hillarious. They had that priority for years. All funds to developing and just about no funds in advertising. If they deliver, you and me will play the game and be happy. Thats what really counts you know. Hyping shitgames like AoC through the roof and then proof noting isnt the way to go.
I believe them and so does many, many with me. +50000 followers on the DF board as we speak and if game delivers theyre be homefree. And theyre not gonna need that many subs cause they didnt make those expensive advertisment campaigns. Smart huh?
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It's marketing, pure and simple. If you have to subscribe to gamespot or fileplanet in order to have access to the beta, then you will most likely at least check out their web sites.
Then when game releases, they will probably the one of, if not the only digital download site.
It's a you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours kinda cross advertising deal.
edit: oh, yeah, when you get tired of waiting in 3 hour queue's to download stuff from fileplanet, you'll probably pay the premium fee to use their service, etc and so on. It gets twisted after awhile.
Exactly! File planet makes millions of dollars a year annually because people get tired of waiting in queue and want their down load NOW! It is nothing but a ploy for more money. Then again, hosting servers are not free to maintain, so I understand why fileplanet does this. The shady part is that the developers will point their fingers over to fileplanet and tell the fans to "go play for free" next weekend knowing full well that a good percentage of those folks will be paying to play.
File planet might make some money, but I think you really over estimate it's value. IGN corp a sub of FOX network definitly pulls in millions a year, but FP by it's own, I haven't seen such numbers posted anywere other then from you. Nothing worse then getting facts wrong with opinions on the matter. I might care for companies or people exploiting the good will of the gaming community for their own benifit such as df here, but it's worse when the community gets their facts wrong just so their stance seems to have more levy then it actually does.
so to fix your response it would be sum'd up as...
"Exactly! file planet can make money because american childern are inpatient and have enherted their parent's I want it now additude. Frankly that is the reason people buy into File Planet and other such services, if you ask me they are just telling us to bend over! I should get it for free, my family was once hermits in the middle ages and someone needs to pay for it! Freakn bastages!"
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
As would most of the unbelievers and bashers, and everyone who has already said this game is never going to release.
True but you're overlooking the critical subordinating conjunction in my post.
"who here wouldn't rush immeadiately to sign up for a PvP stress test IF it was announced for Darkfall."
After all this time in development, the Forum editor doesn't have a font big enough for that 'IF'.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
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I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Couldn't agree more, these people bash aventurine for being an indie company - but they couldn't achieve anything close to what aventurine is doing in their lifetime.
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I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
Really? Do you think if they gave a demo the haters would be satisfied. Look at AOC, its had lots of demos, many folks playing the beta, and yet, its seems to have its fair share of haters.
I don't think anything really appeases the haters, not even a release.
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Darkfall Dev's need to do 2 things : Firstly release a full detail vid of darkfall explaining basics...eg combat. I think the community would be more than happy to see how darkfall works since basicly we dont have much info on combat and proffessions. Secondly announce a date for beta, i think the thing thats holding them back from announcing beta is just geting a loud of bad press if the standards arnt met and all that e.g whats happening to AoC now from betal leaks about invisible worlds and class probs...ect
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
Really? Do you think if they gave a demo the haters would be satisfied. Look at AOC, its had lots of demos, many folks playing the beta, and yet, its seems to have its fair share of haters.
I don't think anything really appeases the haters, not even a release.
Really? You seriously don't think a video would help, it would prolly even help the fanboys?? AoC has many haters becuase of the bad news from beta, and did not have as many haters since all of the bad rumors coming out. Every game has haters, but it's up to the devs to see how many haters there actually are (which is why Darkfall has large amounts of trolls/haters).
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I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Adventurine hypes the game whenever they promise a beta. All of their promises have fallen flat, so far. All they need to do is demo their product to a reputable source and all the "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" will fall silent. Until such a thing occurs, however, "Darkfall Skeptics" and "Darkfall Haters" would be better thought of as "Darkfall Realists".
Really? Do you think if they gave a demo the haters would be satisfied. Look at AOC, its had lots of demos, many folks playing the beta, and yet, its seems to have its fair share of haters.
I don't think anything really appeases the haters, not even a release.
IMO, many "Darkfall Haters" are former fanbois. Give them a reason to believe Darkfall is something other than vaporware, and they'll quiet down for a bit.
What Kien said.
Show this "fully functional and stable" beta build (Adventurine claim from Jan, 2007) to a reputable source, and I will settle down. Hell, it should be pretty good now, considering the "pro-testers" and advanced "AI" that have been at it for over a year.
I want to beleive, really I do.
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A Darkfall Realist
I agree 100%. Show this game to a credible source and set everyone straight. It will only serve to reinforce the game as haters and fanboys alike will have actual evidence instead of speculation and a few screenshots.
Let's get real folks, at this point, 6 or so years after being announced, having so little evidence of the game's existence only hurts it. I mean how many times will people have to deal with "the game is stable and ready for beta"? As far we've been told, it's been stable and ready for beta for the past 3 years.
And although the Warcry editorial was a little harsh on Darkfall, there is truth to it. Age of Conan may not be a perfect game and probably has it's share of faults but at least Funcom have a game to beta and release. All Aventurine has is promises and a few screenshots.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Couldn't agree more, these people bash aventurine for being an indie company - but they couldn't achieve anything close to what aventurine is doing in their lifetime.
Icarus Studios, which is producing Fallen Earth, looks to be a fine company putting out a good product. They put out a game update every week, and apologize when its late. They also read the official boards extensively and take some input from there for both game inputs and questions of the week. They haven't promised anything they haven't delivered, and have put out a good many film clips in different places, showing actual gameplay and game mechanics at work. In short, they are doing it right, as an Indie developer.
Can Adventurine say the same? Nope....
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
It's not the matter of the customer being right, it's a matter of providing proof for the claims that Aventurine made. Yes, they are free to develop their game any way they like. Or not develop it for that matter. The problem arises when Aventurine start hyping up their game but making claims about their non-existent product. I say "non-existent" because there really is no proof that it exist in a playable form yet.
It basically boils down to this: if you are going to make claims, please be so kind to back them up. What does Aventurine devs do instead? Provide more hype and make more claims.
Here's an anology for you, I tell you that I have a dollar bill and you ask me to show it to you. I show you a picture of a dollar bill and tell you that my dollar is newer and crisper than other people's dollars. That's what Darkfall devs are doing. They make belittling remarks about other games yet offer no proof of their own product except for pictures and wild claims like semi-intelligent bots doing the beta testing. The messed up thing is that the fanboys are eating this bullshit up by the bucketfuls.
Edit: Besides all that, I was a part of an internet start-up a few years back and Aventurine offices look way too clean from the pictures in the interviews. It's hard to explain unless you experience it first hand. It does not look like an office where people spend most of their time. It looks too pristine. You can look at Funcom developer's office and other development houses and see the difference. A start-up office, just like my office looked "lived in" with posters, slogans, pictures etc. But Aventurine office doesn't. For an office that had employees working in it for a few years building a game, Aventurine office looks too pristine and unused.
Basically, I looked at their office shots and said "this does not look right." So you can BS yourselves all you want but my experience with start-ups screams bullshit!
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
Couldn't agree more, these people bash aventurine for being an indie company - but they couldn't achieve anything close to what aventurine is doing in their lifetime.
You constantly make questionable comments.
So tell us.... What exactly has Aventurine achieved?
If he is acting childish, what does that make you?
You have failed to answer HIS questions. Until you do, you really have nothing to be smug about.
To answer the guy's question. I have helped build homes in florida for families hit by hurricanes, served my country in the first gulf war, helped families hit by katrina by setting up emergency email servers so they could get messages out, and raised a beautiful child. Aventurine is making a game... that does not even come close.
I live in the real world where smoke and mirrors just don't cut it. That's all you fanboys have... show me proof of concept for any "feature" DF is suppose to have. Just one.
We're talking games here, right ? This is not a contest about who did what best in RL. I bet he or you, haven't released one game. Now critizising someone else for not releasing a game then looks at best a little silly.
Now if you served, that is fine. I have done my duty when called as well. It doesn't give you better moral ground on this playing field.
Actually, back in the late 1980's and early 1990's I developed computer RPG's for the IBM PC. They were DOS based games similar to the Ultima series and sold in all major game stores throughout the country. Later, in 1994, I took ownership of the product and re-released one of the major titles ( very similar to Ultima 5), as shareware. The game sold to literally thousands of people all over the world. Many people enjoyed the RPG's i created.
I haven't programmed since, nor am I capable of producing something as complex as an MMO or even multiplayer to be honest.
But... Since you made another false assumption, I felt it necessary to respond.
And no... I don't want to give out the name of the major title I designed and created, nor the publisher. Reason is simple. You can still find it on the Internet today. There are many older DOS based gaming forums currently active on the Net, and people mention my personal name on those sites. A simple google would lead to my real name, which I don't want exposed here.
Sorry, not everything is always as it appears.
Zounds, you are being as evasive as the Aventurine foks. Also, your career spans from game design, publishing and you're a lawyer as well. Amazing, doesn't seem possible that one person's life could really take a route like that (don't forget, still manage to have a wonderful family)
Looking at the whole picture, I'd say it all sounds too good to be true really, so I'm not going to believe it.
See, you're in the same boat as Aventurine; lots of things said you can't really (or aren't willing to) prove, at least from where I sit. Sounds a lot like Darkfall to me.
Why not let the fans enjoy their hopes and dreams. They'll either come true one day or not, but its certainly no skin off your backside either way.
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If he is acting childish, what does that make you?
You have failed to answer HIS questions. Until you do, you really have nothing to be smug about.
To answer the guy's question. I have helped build homes in florida for families hit by hurricanes, served my country in the first gulf war, helped families hit by katrina by setting up emergency email servers so they could get messages out, and raised a beautiful child. Aventurine is making a game... that does not even come close.
I live in the real world where smoke and mirrors just don't cut it. That's all you fanboys have... show me proof of concept for any "feature" DF is suppose to have. Just one.
Just wanted to say thank you for speaking on my behalf. I applaud your service to our country and the fine volunteer work you performed for many deserving people.
I was drafted and served our country in Vietnam. My best friend was killed there during one of our missions. It seems silly to be responding to posts about a video game after that experience in life but, video games are my passion and hobby.
If he is acting childish, what does that make you?
You have failed to answer HIS questions. Until you do, you really have nothing to be smug about.
To answer the guy's question. I have helped build homes in florida for families hit by hurricanes, served my country in the first gulf war, helped families hit by katrina by setting up emergency email servers so they could get messages out, and raised a beautiful child. Aventurine is making a game... that does not even come close.
I live in the real world where smoke and mirrors just don't cut it. That's all you fanboys have... show me proof of concept for any "feature" DF is suppose to have. Just one.
We're talking games here, right ? This is not a contest about who did what best in RL. I bet he or you, haven't released one game. Now critizising someone else for not releasing a game then looks at best a little silly.
Now if you served, that is fine. I have done my duty when called as well. It doesn't give you better moral ground on this playing field.
Actually, back in the late 1980's and early 1990's I developed computer RPG's for the IBM PC. They were DOS based games similar to the Ultima series and sold in all major game stores throughout the country. Later, in 1994, I took ownership of the product and re-released one of the major titles ( very similar to Ultima 5), as shareware. The game sold to literally thousands of people all over the world. Many people enjoyed the RPG's i created.
I haven't programmed since, nor am I capable of producing something as complex as an MMO or even multiplayer to be honest.
But... Since you made another false assumption, I felt it necessary to respond.
And no... I don't want to give out the name of the major title I designed and created, nor the publisher. Reason is simple. You can still find it on the Internet today. There are many older DOS based gaming forums currently active on the Net, and people mention my personal name on those sites. A simple google would lead to my real name, which I don't want exposed here.
Sorry, not everything is always as it appears.
Zounds, you are being as evasive as the Aventurine foks. Also, your career spans from game design, publishing and you're a lawyer as well. Amazing, doesn't seem possible that one person's life could really take a route like that (don't forget, still manage to have a wonderful family)
Looking at the whole picture, I'd say it all sounds too good to be true really, so I'm not going to believe it.
See, you're in the same boat as Aventurine; lots of things said you can't really (or aren't willing to) prove, at least from where I sit. Sounds a lot like Darkfall to me.
Why not let the fans enjoy their hopes and dreams. They'll either come true one day or not, but its certainly no skin off your backside either way.
You're an ignorant moron. I no longer wish to listen to 13 year olds explain to me the facts of life.
Enjoy Darkfall.
I'm done with this forum, so don't bother to respond.
The assumption that Darkfall owe, random posters here anything is a joke they have show that they are the Masters of their own destiny. Love to see the flamers self imploding as they dont get their own way.
If Darkfall releases or doesn't they have stuck to their guns I applaud them.
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Darfall has high vaporware potential because it has all of the warning signs . I think most people that have been around the MMO block can't take this title seriously for reasons that shouldn't need explaining. I don't want to see any MMO fail to release since it's still a small genre but just going by what's known as fact combined with the absurd amount of development time and it should be enough to make your average gamer wary.
I've been periodically following it for about 5 years and I still know about as much about it today as I did back then. It's always had some hype going for it with all the dev pillow talk but if they're really serious about releasing a successful game then they're going to have to start seriously showing what they have. But I have a strong feeling this game will never see the light of day. If it does then I sure hope it's absolute perfection after a century of development.
not a good game im afraid. too many 8 year olds
hmm, why so many here try to claim you dont like DF? Its not as you can prove you dont like it! Some haters come here more often the the fanbois, aking them the biggest fanbois.
And that Aventurine need to clean up the bullshit?? They havent done anything, not asked for your money, nor your "lojalty". They almost do the opposit. Go and follow the games you want to play....ohhh..you want to play DF. Then please come up with some interesting shit to read for once.
You dont see me on the WoW section asking for good gameplay, thats because i dont care if they will ever release anything good.
If you don't think DF is trying to sell you something, then you do not understand how marketing works.
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Yup I remember that... they said they wanted the community to go out and "spread the word"... basically SPAM the word... it was a long while back but I remember..
Obviously it can't.
I just don't understand why so many people don't get this point. I think it boils down to the false assumption that the customer is king. All these little self-appointed kings and queens who think just because they pay $15/month to play a game that they can shit all over anything they want to when things don't go the way they want them to. Why so much vitriol against a game that hasn't even been released yet? Why so much anger? It seems like people have taken their disappointment towards other games and are dumping it on unreleased games like Darkfall because Adventurine will do NOTHING to placate their cynicism. It really is stupid to get so hyped up over an unreleased game whether one is for or against it. And I applause Aventurine for not giving in to these people.
It's not the matter of the customer being right, it's a matter of providing proof for the claims that Aventurine made. Yes, they are free to develop their game any way they like. Or not develop it for that matter. The problem arises when Aventurine start hyping up their game but making claims about their non-existent product. I say "non-existent" because there really is no proof that it exist in a playable form yet.
It basically boils down to this: if you are going to make claims, please be so kind to back them up. What does Aventurine devs do instead? Provide more hype and make more claims.
Here's an anology for you, I tell you that I have a dollar bill and you ask me to show it to you. I show you a picture of a dollar bill and tell you that my dollar is newer and crisper than other people's dollars. That's what Darkfall devs are doing. They make belittling remarks about other games yet offer no proof of their own product except for pictures and wild claims like semi-intelligent bots doing the beta testing. The messed up thing is that the fanboys are eating this bullshit up by the bucketfuls.
Edit: Besides all that, I was a part of an internet start-up a few years back and Aventurine offices look way too clean from the pictures in the interviews. It's hard to explain unless you experience it first hand. It does not look like an office where people spend most of their time. It looks too pristine. You can look at Funcom developer's office and other development houses and see the difference. A start-up office, just like my office looked "lived in" with posters, slogans, pictures etc. But Aventurine office doesn't. For an office that had employees working in it for a few years building a game, Aventurine office looks too pristine and unused.
Basically, I looked at their office shots and said "this does not look right." So you can BS yourselves all you want but my experience with start-ups screams bullshit!
Aventurine and its Developers own you jack shit. Whether you believe them and their statements is up to you. I dont care the slightest if you believe them or not and i sincerely doubt they care either. If youre getting upset cause they dont follow the standard procedures in advertisings and for that you claim theyre just BS-talk is nothing but hillarious. They had that priority for years. All funds to developing and just about no funds in advertising. If they deliver, you and me will play the game and be happy. Thats what really counts you know. Hyping shitgames like AoC through the roof and then proof noting isnt the way to go.
I believe them and so does many, many with me. +50000 followers on the DF board as we speak and if game delivers theyre be homefree. And theyre not gonna need that many subs cause they didnt make those expensive advertisment campaigns. Smart huh?