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To All you Age of Conan negatrons and doomsayers
melmoth1
Member Posts: 762
I don't understood the gloom merchants with their overly serious predictions of the end of civilisation as we know it because of NDA or release dates etc. The game is NOT that expensive to buy, it's hardly like you are investing in a mortgage or something. AOC is cheaper than a cheap-ass night out in Tokyo (I live in Nippon) or a night out in any other major city.
Why you sweat it and agonize so much? If the game is good then Funcom make their real money from my subs, and if the game sucks then I don't sub and I have only spent a small amount of cash. The way some of you talk, it's as if 25quid or 50 dollars is some huge investment of your personal wealth and you are effectively "shooting yer wad" empty; c'mon, most of you are working adults, so we are talking small change here.
I really hope Age of Conan rocks, but if it doesn't then no big deal. The pressure is on Funcom, not me.
Keep it real guys.
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I think you misunderstand the stakes here. It has nothing to do with the money, (you're right, its a pittance) and all about the fact so many folks have been looking for a long time now for a game that's good and not WOW.
In the past few years there have been so many disappointments, and the anger and bitterness stems more from that than anything else. One IP after another has crashed and burned in many folks eyes (D&D, LotRO, Star Wars etc) and even the self-avowed experts (Garrot, McQuaid) failed everyone horribly.
There were/are high hopes for AOC, and gamers are pretty wary these days after the string of unremarkable games they've had to chose from in the past few years. Its understandable they are wound a bit too tight and jump at every perceived bad report coming out of the beta.
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The thing is there are very few games to look forward to right now. I think masses are growing bored of WoW and most of the other popular games are too old or dwindling to replace it so they look to the new games.
The choices are Age of Conan, Aion, Warhammer, and Earth Rising(far away).
Aion is turning out more and more to be a complete WoW clone with an Asian twist and cool Asian graphics if you're into that sort of thing. Warhammer is looking to be more and more dumbed down to appeal to the WoW audience.
To me I feel like both of these games are going to be more of the same. An Asian twist on WoW, or a mix of WoW and DaOC.
Age of Conan shows promise to be something new, refreshing, entertaining, and all of those good things but with the new ideas comes new bugs and new design flaws. I don't expect the launch to be the best thing ever but that is because they aren't taking systems that have already been used in other games, but instead they are being creative. This will lead to a lot of issues but it will be worth it in the long run.
So let them nay say and predict the apocalypse and keep playing WoW, or keep looking forward to WoW spinoffs and WoW clones and look forward to being part of something original even through the hard times.
Yeh, I get what yer saying. I know gamers have been waiting a long time for the next big thang and I agree that they (and me!) deserve an ace mmo.
However, the doom and gloom in some of the posts I have read seem totally disproportionate and even hysterical. These more hysterical posters should reserve their flames until they have actually played the game. I think certain people just like to set themselves up as "The Authority" on mmos and feel a need to vent on things they haven't even tried yet. They remind me of evangelical Christians who criticize novels, comics and movies that they have never even read or watched, e.g. "Even though I haven't read Harry Potter, I can tell you in all confidence that it is, indeed, the work of satan himself and the greatest threat to our children's eternal souls since D&D."
Thing is - maybe some of those doomsayers have already played the beta. Maybe they know more than we. But ... thats another maybe. Forums are filled with maybes, ifs and buts. Thats just how it is.
Haha that's a great analogy. I'll never forget being forced to go to a friends church to hear these people talk about how all parents and students should boycott anything having to do with our view or take or scientific evidence on dinosaurs and fossils because it is all a lie because the bible says it is, and the scientific facts have been manipulated.
They then sold their own line of 'bible' friendly dinosaur toys and books for more money then a video game at the end of the sermon.
The thing is people love drama so stuff like that is always around. I remember before WoW launched the main board has like 8 out of every 10 posts discussing about how it would fail because of the graphics, or the lack of death penalties, or because they thought they were messing up the Warcraft lore. They are probably still playing today...
I think you misunderstand the stakes here. It has nothing to do with the money, (you're right, its a pittance) and all about the fact so many folks have been looking for a long time now for a game that's good and not WOW.
In the past few years there have been so many disappointments, and the anger and bitterness stems more from that than anything else. One IP after another has crashed and burned in many folks eyes (D&D, LotRO, Star Wars etc) and even the self-avowed experts (Garrot, McQuaid) failed everyone horribly.
There were/are high hopes for AOC, and gamers are pretty wary these days after the string of unremarkable games they've had to chose from in the past few years. Its understandable they are wound a bit too tight and jump at every perceived bad report coming out of the beta.
I do not think LotRO crashed and burned given it is probably the only example we can point to as a succesfull MMORPG in recent times that is not named WoW even if it is only PVE centric.
With that said I agree there has to be guarded optimisim given what poor quality has been piled onto us lately for the most part.
I think you misunderstand the stakes here. It has nothing to do with the money, (you're right, its a pittance) and all about the fact so many folks have been looking for a long time now for a game that's good and not WOW.
In the past few years there have been so many disappointments, and the anger and bitterness stems more from that than anything else. One IP after another has crashed and burned in many folks eyes (D&D, LotRO, Star Wars etc) and even the self-avowed experts (Garrot, McQuaid) failed everyone horribly.
There were/are high hopes for AOC, and gamers are pretty wary these days after the string of unremarkable games they've had to chose from in the past few years. Its understandable they are wound a bit too tight and jump at every perceived bad report coming out of the beta.
I do not think LotRO crashed and burned given it is probably the only example we can point to as a succesfull MMORPG in recent times that is not named WoW even if it is only PVE centric.
With that said I agree there has to be guarded optimisim given what poor quality has been piled onto us lately for the most part.
Ah but LoTRO was a complete failure in my eyes. It could have been so much more, but like D&D Online it ruined a great franchises chance to become a great MMO. Just my opinion.
I m sorry but 50 bucks (euros in my case) IS alot of money. My parents arent rich, i havent won the lotto, i make my own living and throwing 50 bucks down the gutter is a pretty big deal for me
While 50 euro's is maybe not a great deal of cash it doesnt mean I want to just throw it away!I worked for that 50 euro's so anything I buy with it has to be worth it.
You use a pretty weak arguement,In life you buy things that work,You dont buy say a new camera for 50 dollars go home and it doesnt work and think"mah it was only 50 dollars"and throw it in the bin do you?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
You forgot about The Chronicles of Spellborn, a game which look very good.
Failure and success are a matter of perspective, doom and gloom posts are sister to rise and shine posts, and even poor people need entertainment. As hypocrtical as it is of me to say, you should appreciate what you have more, or atleast think about it more before you project your financial logic onto the rest of us.
When you spend $7,000 on a MMO, then you may have reason to be concerned. $50 is one good night at the bar.
When you spend $7,000 on a MMO, then you may have reason to be concerned. $50 is one good night at the bar.
$50 pays for like 3-4 upper-class drinks where i live.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
Yes, actually I would throw it in the bin. But then again, my camera (and kit) is worth $7k. So I wouldn't really expect a $50 camera to produce anything worthwhile.When you spend $7,000 on a MMO, then you may have reason to be concerned. $50 is one good night at the bar.
Grats on the most useless post of doing nothing but letting the MMORPG.com members know you have a 7k camera,BFD!!!
Point is I worked for that 50 euro's and I spend my money wisely,as in I dont have a 7k camera my 100 euro 1 does the job.
on topic again,I am hopeful of AoC but to the OP because 50 euro to you is nothing doesnt mean the rest of the world share your ideals.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
You forgot about The Chronicles of Spellborn, a game which look very good.
word is that TCoS is gonna be the best game out of the bunch. i'll have to start reading up on it i guess.
True my bad for leaving that one out. I'm really looking forward to it as well, but it seemed to have gone underground for a while or something. I've been having trouble finding good up to date info for it. Maybe I just haven't been looking hard enough.
I am having deja Vu.
a few years ago, the 'BIG" mmo out there was EQ. Forums were spammed with people bashing EQ.
WOW and EQ2 were in developement and in Beta and everyone was saying they would both fail. EQ2 was the son of the devil(original EQ) and WoW had crappy cartoonish graphics. In fact, I know of several people who told me b4 WoW was released they could never get into a game that looked like that. Many of them played for years and some still play.
The point is....There are always doomsayers.
Value of a dollar it seems, fifty might be pittance to me, but alot to someone else.
I can chance it to say that everyone perusing these forums and making negative/positive comments is spending 15 dollars a month on 1 MMO, and if they are constantly looking for the next big thing, they do not want to spend another 50 on something they won't like.
It's only 50, but when it's game after gamer, after game.... it adds up.
Imagine on a decent year where many hyped games are released, it could be easy to drop 500 dollars on many MMO's you thought were good, but turned out to be distasteful.
College students don't really have that money, but I know nearly half of the lab assistants (about 46) here play some MMO, mostly WoW.
I'm in college, but already realize I make more than your typical college student because i'm willing to force an 8-5 in around my school schedule. I build myself a brand new, top of the line computer about once every 2 years, pay for a single monthly subscription, and by lifetime subcriptions on games I think are worth it.
Even I feel the hit every time a new game comes out, and what I just bought turns out to be a flop.
Many are getting tired of it, yet can't just go drop the money on a new game. Hence, some get into betas, leave their "critiques", and continue looking. All the while hoping for the grail.
While I don't take the negatrons and doomsayers to heart, I read what they say and look up on it.
If enough people whisper about something, there is bound to be some truth there.
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Good point too.
I'm lookin forward to it, and I dont give a flying frack about any doomsayer and their supposed beta experiences or whatever they are basing their opinions on (mostly on the fact that its not WAR, i suspect, and not much else). None of them are me, none of them have my specific hardware, or enjoy the exact same game style as me. So they can all go frack themselves.
I will play it and if I enjoy it it will be fun.. and if it is not then woopiedoo, shrug and move on to the next one.
Mostly the negatrons are likely WAR people who fell into the trap of primitive human instinct to pick a side and stick with it no matter what (and vice versa for aoc people doomsaying WAR). Kind of like how those stereotypical braindead sport jock types act towards their teams. You know the type? Great.. now go look in a mirror and question your motives with doomsaying such and such game vs another. This may be a virtual social environment.. but the people are still acting just as retarded as in real life.
Edit: oh yes.. and if you can't afford to play.. dont play. Thats none of our concern. Mmos cost 15 bucks a month, and thats all there is to it, unless you like f2p crapfeasts. Its a darn computer game after all, why get all worked up about it?
I m no doomsayer but i have my issues with AOC, not going to get into it i ve posted them already. I will say though i was looking forward to AOC more then WAR before,now thats flipped completely. I m not saying how i know or if i even do know some things but all i can say is i was swayed somehow:) That said i think AOC will be good for alot of people just not me, even though i ll still probably pick it up way after release after i hear what people have said and not going on what i ve maybe seen
That was never the topic,or why ppl said about spending money on the game,try reading the posts before you get up on your high horse.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
People saying that 50$ isnt much should first consider that not everyone likes to pay for a pizza and get a sandwich with cheese (wich you are alergic too).People that say that are the same people that play to be stepped on by devs ,exemple SWG.
If someone can't afford $50 plus $15 a month, then they have no business playing MMOs and need to find a different hobby.
If someone buys every single game that releases in a year (eg. $500), they need to seek qualified professional help.
It has nothing to do with "if someone cant afford $50 plus $15 a month",
The OP stated that if you bought the game and it wasnt good you could just throw it out and $50 was nothing anyway,That is why people are saying about money,It is not they cant afford it they just dont want to waste it.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Lol, I wasn't saying, "throw 25 pounds in the bin" btw.
I was saying that the whining is disproportionate to the risk being taken, given that the product doesn't even have final release. The money aspect was to put this "risk" in context. Cheaper than a night out to the bar. In fact MMOs are more acceptable risks, as even some mmos I didn't keep subbing to (LOTRO, City of Villains etc) still gave me several weeks of reasonable entertainment compared to one night at the bar/movies.
If you buy a cinema ticket or a new novel, there is a risk the movie/novel will be lame. If you go on a night out, there is a risk it may be a rubbish night out. They are acceptable risks and not equal to taking a risk with new car , a nice camera or a new house.
I put games in the same category as nights out at the bar or cinema.
Now if you wanna go down the "50 dollars is a LOT of money to me, OMG OMG" then wait for a month until after final release and see what the playas are saying. No need to waste yer wad.
Just stop the whining already, jeezus. If you must express misgivings about a game that doesn't even have final release yet, then be mature about it and keep it constructive.