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OKAY !!!! - Lets get this sorted once and for all !!!!
Breezeycouk
Member Posts: 82
Okay guys & gals - I hear your pain and I feel it too!!! (God - I miss SWG!!! - I am sooooooooo sick of Wow but if its all that's going....)
(Has no-one at SoE clocked that this is the only MMORPG with a ex / old / veteran players forum??)
Okay - So heres the stats as I see them:
215 MMOPRG's either in dev / pre-rel / online - QED displaced gamers wanting something that works?
Seems that you need in the region of 50,00 global (?) (I'm batting blind here) subscribers to make a go of an MMORPG?
ONLY ONE MMORPG HAS A EX PLAYER COUNT OF IN THE REGION OF 500,000 ????
So here's what I'm thinking ?
An old Dev takes the original source code and puts it on the web and we take it over as a not for profit project (You would still have to pay a sub but not the original game as you have the original discs)?
or
we all sign the poll below to get some REAL figures on how many people would play a preCU SWG!!! (Anyone know George Lucas email address?)
Tell all your friends - Tell old players - email old guild members - post it on blogs or websites- get some serious voting going!!!!
Lets see where this one goes but please treat it seriously - If we can get 500,000 REAL posts / votes then maybe we have a ground swell to get a pre-cru server back up !! - I even want the negative votes so we can say this is an honest poll simply showing gamers response.
Vote now - It's your right!
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Let it go mate SoE are as stubborn as a donkey. So many polls and many fans demanding PRE-NGE/CU but they wont listen..it's been years now let it go or play Star wars emu.
Yeah it's over, all we have is our memories.
I have to agree, while I admire the heart behind this thread, there have been many polls and each has been ignored. Something deeper and more diabolical is at work with SOE/LA.
And yes, the flightless bird is flying towards us very quickly now.
Voted no for these reasons:
1. I have no desire to ever give money to SOE OR LEC again. I see doing classic at this point as a cynical last second money grab to save themselves from the NGE hole they dug for themselves.
2. I have no confidence that SOE or LEC have personnel competent to admin pre NGE servers, even at the sysadmin level without changing or adding to them at all. The dev team is too inexperienced and is improperly led.
3. Without a total house cleaning at SOE, there is no way of rebuilding trust.
"If I had a penny for everytime a frustrated fanboi hits the report button, I could end world hunger."
Why does anyone warrant a ban?
Go AFK grind for a while kiddo.
Tecmo Bowl.
Sorry Zazz - You need to explain yourself?
Are you saying ban this post?
Are you saying Ban Me (Breezeycouk)?
Or something else - Come on - I know you have a 105 key keyboard as well as a mouse so please feel free to use some of them ( Peace and Happiness - I'm not trying to flame you!)
Not going to pay $OE any more $$$ at this point..... although I almost went back on my word and paid for Pirates of the BS, but I played the beta and the last couple weeks of a friend's acct that quit.
Glad I saved my $$$, they have another game corpse in the graveyard..errr... station plot..... errr... pass.
In that a pre-CU server would undoubtedly generate far more income than all the NGE servers put together, there would be no logical reason to put up an unsupported server. Make the server pay for itself. When it pays to do so, support it.
I feel it would rapidly empty the NGE servers, and get some old players back, then it would be worth supporting, and the real question would be whether or not to support the NGE servers.
Now, do I think ANYTHING will succeed? No, I feel SOE already blew the window of opportunity they had and nothing can save them. I don't know if they will ever have a truly successful game again. They have burned too many bridges and angered too many customers.
I don't think they can succeed. Ever.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Yeah at the very least Smed must go, or will never again have any credibility in the industry. Even then, it's questionable. No MMO company, no gaming company, is as good at generating customer animosity as SOE.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Voted "No - I was an old player but I don't care anymore"
The game was not that good even Pre-CU times so how 'bout just shutdown the crap and start working on a better version, with no bugs and better engine and so on.
Agreed, give us a new star wars mmo.
the flightless bird flies this year. pass it on.
arguing with a corporate fanboi is like teaching special education.
even if you teach him something...at the end of the day he's still retarded.
Yup, those are three good reasons with which I concur. SOE and LEC are strictly about money, not about gaming.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
I think that says it all quite nicely , /agree
/agree.
This should be obvious by now. Look at how SOE is regarded in the industry these days. Notice how only companies that have serious flaws in them and their games (Sigil, Flying Labs, Perpetual) sign up with SOE Platform Publishing. So far Platform Publishing is 0/3 with one of them (PE) going bankrupt, getting sued for fraud, and their game never coming out.
Indeed, POTBS has set the record for fastest MMO to server merge.
While these failures are not SOE's fault alone, it shows you the caliber of company that they are able to attract.
Similarly, look at what they are attracting and hiring for the NGE Dev team... Rookies. People with no experience at all. Their veteran leaders? The least regarded members of the pre NGE dev team.
The final, convincing proof of SOE's weakness and bleak future is what is happening with their upcoming new flagship "save the company" game: DCMMO... They moved Helios, who's blundering hastened the post NGE sub collapse to their lead dev position.
Simply put, there are three pillars any company rests on:
1. Reputation
2. Experience
3. Talent
SOE is at the very bottom of the barrel in reputation, largely due to the NGE. Face it, the NGE catastrophe IS SOE at this point. They can't get away from it, largely because they've never done anything but sink deeper in it.
Experience? They've lost most of it to other companies and to startups and are shoveling interns and rookies into the fight as fast as they can be hired. Talent? Even if some of these rookies pan out, it won't be until after making many mistakes along the way that experience might have prevented.
I don't expect to see the SOE we know to be around much longer. For one thing, they are now under a new division of Sony. I expect them to exit the PC MMO business as soon as SCEI can shut down the under performers (SWG amongst them), and sell off what might still have some value (EQ, the DCMMO rights, etc). Or, Sony may try to sell SOE off as a unit, as Vivendi did Blizzard. They won't get much for it.
From Sony's point of view, it will make more sense to develop MMO's exclusively for the PS3, where Blizzard won't be a competitor if Sony doesn't choose to let them in. In their own fishbowl, the mediocre talent that they have might be able to make some money supporting their consoles.
"If I had a penny for everytime a frustrated fanboi hits the report button, I could end world hunger."
At this point I'm more interested in the EULA debate and less interested in any particular video game. SOE's way of operating has raised a lot of questions for me about this business.
I'm interested in closing any legal loopholes that allow MMO companies to pull virtual bait and switch scams over and over again.
Customers should get what they pay for; in SWG on a number of occasions, they simply did not receive what they subscribed for.
I'm more invested in an industry-wide shift than getting the pre-cu experience back. I've grieved and moved on to new things that I'm very much enjoying.
I appreciate the OP's intentions though
These loopholes actually don't exist. The only reason why companies do these things is that they have gotten away with them unchallenged. Now, granted, there ARENT any examples of this out there to compare to the NGE, the NGE was unprecedented, and hopefully never will be repeated again.
Want to stop this?
Sue.
Who to sue? SOE and LEC.
No one has engaged in more egregious behavior nor exposed themselves more clearly to potential liability with respect to their operation of a MMO than SOE and LEC have with SWG.
Despite the fact that it's clear that much of what they did with the NGE was against the law, it only will be counted as such if they are made to account for it. In court.
Because this is such a new area of litigation and criminal law, it is going to take a test case. The NGE is the ideal test case because it not only represents the absolute worst act in misleading and defrauding players in the history of this industry, the defendants basically did themselves in with public statements along the way.
All that has to be established to prove that SOE and LEC deliberately and WILLFULLY defrauded players who purchased prepaid time, and who pre ordered the expansion was that they had made the NGE decision prior to beginning to market the expansion with it's features that would be made moot by the NGE.
The only defense SOE/LEC could possibly offer is that they STARTED the NGE development in October 2005 and made the decision to use the NGE on 11/2/2005 (the day of the infamous producer letter). This window of time, of course, is impossible, though the NGE definitely was far, FAR from in any sort of "gold code" state on release.
A subpoena of internal documents which SOE and LEC would have to produce would definitely prove that the NGE was worked on either in parallel with the CU or shortly after it's release, and that it was planned and approved even as they developed the expansion, even as they told us the "CU was here to stay", discussed revamps of CU professions that were to be eliminated, and marketed the expansion based on features that would be eliminated.
Simply put, this would be a case that SOE and LEC could not possibly hope to win.
"If I had a penny for everytime a frustrated fanboi hits the report button, I could end world hunger."
To ad to this train of thought... and I believe this was touched upon by another poster on another forum, that SOE actually knows that Pre-CU servers would easily out-populate the current servers. Which is why they won't do it. The reason is simple. If in fact it was SOE's volition that instigated the NGE, than SOE would be responsible for any damages monatarily incurred if the NGE could be proven a failure. So, if they were to launch a Classic Server, it would be successful. If it is successful, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the NGE had been the culprit behind the lack of subscriptions. SOE would then be liable for every subscription payment lost due to the NGE. At an average of 250,000 subs (lost to the NGE) at $15 a month for 29 months (since the NGE) would total $108,750,000 (minus of course the cost of running the game). LEC would want their cut ,me thinks. Any way you slice it, a Classic server isn't going to bring in enough to cover that kind of coin.
These loopholes actually don't exist. The only reason why companies do these things is that they have gotten away with them unchallenged. Now, granted, there ARENT any examples of this out there to compare to the NGE, the NGE was unprecedented, and hopefully never will be repeated again.
Want to stop this?
Sue.
Who to sue? SOE and LEC.
No one has engaged in more egregious behavior nor exposed themselves more clearly to potential liability with respect to their operation of a MMO than SOE and LEC have with SWG.
Despite the fact that it's clear that much of what they did with the NGE was against the law, it only will be counted as such if they are made to account for it. In court.
Because this is such a new area of litigation and criminal law, it is going to take a test case. The NGE is the ideal test case because it not only represents the absolute worst act in misleading and defrauding players in the history of this industry, the defendants basically did themselves in with public statements along the way.
All that has to be established to prove that SOE and LEC deliberately and WILLFULLY defrauded players who purchased prepaid time, and who pre ordered the expansion was that they had made the NGE decision prior to beginning to market the expansion with it's features that would be made moot by the NGE.
The only defense SOE/LEC could possibly offer is that they STARTED the NGE development in October 2005 and made the decision to use the NGE on 11/2/2005 (the day of the infamous producer letter). This window of time, of course, is impossible, though the NGE definitely was far, FAR from in any sort of "gold code" state on release.
A subpoena of internal documents which SOE and LEC would have to produce would definitely prove that the NGE was worked on either in parallel with the CU or shortly after it's release, and that it was planned and approved even as they developed the expansion, even as they told us the "CU was here to stay", discussed revamps of CU professions that were to be eliminated, and marketed the expansion based on features that would be eliminated.
Simply put, this would be a case that SOE and LEC could not possibly hope to win.
i hope someone does if they do i will get on board for taking $OE down and getting our game back.
No dev support on the Pre-CU server? Are you nuts? I'm not voting, but I would if we were getting dev support.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Do you really want Blixtev making changes to the Pre-CU?
Actually if they put it up with no support other than GM's and technical admins, as opposed to having the "Dev" team work on it, it'd attract MORE, not fewer players. It was changes that got us here.
"If I had a penny for everytime a frustrated fanboi hits the report button, I could end world hunger."
A quick update on the 500,000 number;
So far about 15 different people have posted, so 15/500,000
Good luck, lol
I am not even going to bother voting , just another one of those threads.
Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?
I'd take either a CU or preCU server any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Thank you, thank you, 3 bags full.
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If SOE were to ever get a real handle on SWG, I would like them to give the graphics a real once over. I think the way that terrain and other objects are layered and generated in the game really add to a good portion of the performance issues the game used to suffer from.
If I were handed a PreCU or CU server, I think a graphics update would really be the single item I'd target.
After that, worry about a few systems surrounding individual prof's... integrate some GCW action... and let 'er rip.