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EVE Online: CSM Candidate Applications Breakdown

SzarkSzark News ManagerMember Posts: 4,420

CCP's foray into democracy in EVE Online has moved another step forward as the applicants for the Council of Stellar Management can now officially be called candidates.  Ineligible applicants have been removed from the running, and CCP has broken down the application statistics for us to consume.

These are interesting times we live in. Setting up a democratic structure in EVE has not been the easiest process we have undertaken, but we truly feel it is well worth the effort because of the interest you have shown in the project.



Now, this blog is to tell you a thing or two about the statistics of the applications received and the approved applicants, now lovingly referred to as candidates.*

But on to the statistics.

  • We received 97 applications.
  • We accepted 64.
  • We rejected 33.

    Rejection reasons:

    • A scan of the passport was not supplied and either a personal photo was supplied instead, an expired passport or another type of identification that was not a passport.
    • EULA violation by the applicants.
    • Two applicants requested to be withdrawn and thus they count as being rejected.
    • Two applications were sent in by CCP for testing purposes when the service was reported as being down and they are included in these counts.
    • One applicant managed to apply twice due to some technical glitch we were unable to reproduce, one of those applications was rejected.

Read more here.

Comments

  • rshandlonrshandlon Member Posts: 173

    EULA violations.........................

     

    This to me looks like an easy answer for them to keep out people they think will raise viable issues that the company has.  I see this whole thing as just a sham that CCP is pulling once again on its players.   I was there early on in testing and have played off and on over the period of the game and have seen issues come up that have finally pushed me away from this game forever.  CCP will continue to treat their customers with the tact of a stone and will show favoritism towards their Elite friends as they always have, even in beta.

  • nakumanakuma Member UncommonPosts: 1,310

    whats with this thing of "scanning passports" would that be my real life passport? wtf does that hvae to do with me playing a game and applying to a in game democratic counsel? please someone explain this crazy crap to me.

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  • XennithXennith Member Posts: 1,244

    Originally posted by nakuma


    whats with this thing of "scanning passports" would that be my real life passport? wtf does that hvae to do with me playing a game and applying to a in game democratic counsel? please someone explain this crazy crap to me.
    well, i can certainly try.

     

    part of the role involves going to iceland to meet CCP for meetings. passports are needed for this. hence the requirement.

  • nakumanakuma Member UncommonPosts: 1,310

    huh? i want to play the game, not travel half way around the world for a meeting. what purpose does that serve. so being part of the democratic counsel involves hauling my ass half way around the world from NYC to go to some meeting? an actual RL meeting lol. omg its a game for christ sake. im all for immersion, but this goes a step too far into  the realm of uncomfortable and inconvenient.  dont get me wrong i love th game but that is unearthly retarded makes no sense, irregardless if they are paying for the trip. just screams wierd and obtuse.

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  • XennithXennith Member Posts: 1,244

    Originally posted by nakuma


    huh? i want to play the game, not travel half way around the world for a meeting. what purpose does that serve. so being part of the democratic counsel involves hauling my ass half way around the world from NYC to go to some meeting? an actual RL meeting lol. omg its a game for christ sake. im all for immersion, but this goes a step too far into  the realm of uncomfortable and inconvenient.  dont get me wrong i love th game but that is unearthly retarded makes no sense, irregardless if they are paying for the trip. just screams wierd and obtuse.

    ...

    dont apply then?

  • nakumanakuma Member UncommonPosts: 1,310
    Originally posted by rshandlon


    EULA violations.........................
     
    This to me looks like an easy answer for them to keep out people they think will raise viable issues that the company has.  I see this whole thing as just a sham that CCP is pulling once again on its players.   I was there early on in testing and have played off and on over the period of the game and have seen issues come up that have finally pushed me away from this game forever.  CCP will continue to treat their customers with the tact of a stone and will show favoritism towards their Elite friends as they always have, even in beta.



    pretty much, considering their history so far.

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  • ViennanViennan Member Posts: 27

     

    Originally posted by nakuma


    whats with this thing of "scanning passports" would that be my real life passport? wtf does that hvae to do with me playing a game and applying to a in game democratic counsel? please someone explain this crazy crap to me.

     

    They want you to be able to travel to meetings, which will require a passport, and also to confirm that you are who you say you are.

    It would impact very heavily on the integrity of this "democratic council" if they discovered that someone was not who they claimed to be.

     

    Originally posted by nakuma


    huh? i want to play the game, not travel half way around the world for a meeting. what purpose does that serve. so being part of the democratic counsel involves hauling my ass half way around the world from NYC to go to some meeting? an actual RL meeting lol. omg its a game for christ sake. im all for immersion, but this goes a step too far into  the realm of uncomfortable and inconvenient.  dont get me wrong i love th game but that is unearthly retarded makes no sense, irregardless if they are paying for the trip. just screams wierd and obtuse.

    Well, obviously there are people who do not see it to be a waste of time and actually like the concept of helping out a game they clearly enjoy. You may not, I may not, but people clearly do.

     

    Originally posted by rshandlon


    EULA violations.........................
     
    This to me looks like an easy answer for them to keep out people they think will raise viable issues that the company has.  I see this whole thing as just a sham that CCP is pulling once again on its players.   I was there early on in testing and have played off and on over the period of the game and have seen issues come up that have finally pushed me away from this game forever.  CCP will continue to treat their customers with the tact of a stone and will show favoritism towards their Elite friends as they always have, even in beta.

    Tinfoil hat much? They obviously aren't going to accept someone if they have a history of RMT or exploiting.

  • ho-juho-ju Member Posts: 5
    Originally posted by rshandlon


    EULA violations.........................
     
    This to me looks like an easy answer for them to keep out people they think will raise viable issues that the company has.  I see this whole thing as just a sham that CCP is pulling once again on its players.   I was there early on in testing and have played off and on over the period of the game and have seen issues come up that have finally pushed me away from this game forever.  CCP will continue to treat their customers with the tact of a stone and will show favoritism towards their Elite friends as they always have, even in beta.



    Agreed, it's just a soft vague "catch-all" category they can use as excuse to not have anyone that would ask probing questions or raise awkward issues.  Don't forget the whole reason they even had to go through this smokescreen is because the developers were caught red handed playing favorites, cheating, and then trying to lie and cover it up.  Most corrupt MMO company ever seen.

  • ho-juho-ju Member Posts: 5

    Incorrect, it was a systemic corruption within the company that first led to them trying to deny any cheating taking place while accusing the whistleblower, then after cover up became impossible to reveal they actually knew about the cheating all along.  That is not even counting the subsequent incident when the developers were caught rigging events.  I have seen the direct evidence, before it was revealed, and not CCP's subsequent lies and propaganda spin.  They were caught cheating again.  Their policy from the beginning has always been to lie, deny, and try to blame the whistleblower.

  • ViennanViennan Member Posts: 27


    Originally posted by ho-ju
    Agreed, it's just a soft vague "catch-all" category they can use as excuse to not have anyone that would ask probing questions or raise awkward issues. Don't forget the whole reason they even had to go through this smokescreen is because the developers were caught red handed playing favorites, cheating, and then trying to lie and cover it up. Most corrupt MMO company ever seen.

    Like I said vaguely above, I think the exclusion criteria for "EULA violations" means that the person who applied has been suspended in the past for buying ISK, harassing someone, exploiting or whatever. If a person has a history of EULA violations, CCP are not going to want them on the council. I sincerely doubt they seen a specific name/account and then dreamt up a EULA violation to reject them.

    Yes, in the past staff members of CCP have been found to give preferential treatment to their friends. So have Blizzard. Furor (one of the devs) allowed a person to transfer from a PvE server to a PvP server so that they could join the guild Fires of Heaven (Furor's old guild from EQ).

    People who have friends at McDonalds get free drinks.

    Let it go.

  • ho-juho-ju Member Posts: 5

    The cheating wasn't minor and it wasn't a one off isolated incident.  This is not "giving free drinks" but more like giving free walk in whenever you like full dinners.  The amount of ingame cash value of the items given in the first cheating was minor only to huge player alliances, but more than some players will ever see or earn in their entire gaming lifetime.  Not only that, by giving them away to their friends, the developers deprived the rest of the community of those items as they were limited supply.  That is tantamount to the lottery officials giving away the jackpot prize to their buddies, which cheats all the other normal ticket buyers out of the chance at winning that prize.  That is not even going into the all the other "softer" forms of cheating such as event rigging, information leaking, etc. that give one side an unfair advantage or which screws over the developer's ingame opponents.  The entire pattern is of repeated misconduct precisely because the developers have blurred the line and gotten too involved with the players and their own ingame characters.  All these latest "democratic reforms" are just smokescreen and PR gesture after their internal investigations' impartiality was no longer completely believed by the player base. 

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