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Not surprising...but the AoC Gold trade is ramping up
Czzarre
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I was working on analyzing the gold industry to see how prevolant currency selling is for each game (This was done for the MMORPG Finder to allow players to search for or against games with a lot of currency selling)
As I was reviewing the sites, its very clear. Many are announcing they will be offering AoC Gold. Sites have not released how much, but some have said "We have already established a presence within the game" , etc. In fact, on some sites they are suggesting that you pre-order the gold along with the game (That gave me a chuckle). Surprisingly very few had WAR, but this is likely due to the delay in WAR's release.
So, get ready all, Grab your spam deflectors and lockdown your accounts...
.... the dogs are about to be released.
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Although not a big fan of Gold sellers it really doesn't bother me much. It's just one of the disadvantages of a multiplayer environment. If I hate the gold sellers then I'm hating the other players who take a different route through the game.
Personally, my entertainment has been more affected by all the advice sites that mean everyone knows exactly where to farm, what armour to wear etc. Since I like grouping games I really don't want to appear a complete idiot but I'd still rather discover stuff for myself.
I'm guessing those most annoyed by gold sellers are those with lots of time and not lots of money, as that kinda takes away the advantage they had with the genre.
I'm not surpised. They see this as a great chance at maerketing, which it is. Many new players, they all want $$, and the gold sellers are there to sell it to them. Let's just hope it doesn't get out of control.
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lol, pre-order game gold before release. yep, definitely starting earlier and earlier.
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You can buy gold for vanguard (lol) so it was obvious that WAR, AoC, TcoS and so on will all have gold sellers whether they end up successfully or sub mediocre.
Goldselling is not a real issue. And think about the poor chinese who buys his bread and milk by selling gold.
That's one thing that we haven't heard much about from the new big game developers, AoC, WAR, how are they going to deal with and/or limit gold selling? I don't like it myself and I think people who buy it and sell it are pathetic.
Just Play on a pvp Server and kill them again and again! Sooner or latter you will run into them and thier harvesting locations.
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@Miner-2049er - i think casual people who dont play much hate goldsellers the most. Why? Because they cant really compete with them. Hardcore people you mentioned can compete because farmers in reality are hardcore players (they farm nonstop). By selling gold to other players they artifically boost their competitiveness.The rest of people, whose who dont play much and dont buy gold, soon find themselves outclassed by both the hardcore players and those who buy gold.
While I can understand that any hardcore player may have a fair advantage over me due to the amount of time invested, I certainly do not like the idea that someone may have advantage just because he can buy it with real cash. After all, is the whole point of the game to be rewarded for your efforts or for your wallet?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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Well I can say one hting.. If they let the gold sellers run all chat channels, maiking it imposibble for ANYONE to even get a moments break form their constant spam... completly unstopped by the developers, like in WoW... I see no reason to ever give 15 bucks a month to that developer again. We are paying them to monitor and take care of their servers and remove any abuse of thier paying costumers. Someone think its ok to pull in 150 million dollars amonth again, but not pull the plug permanently on these idiots and their costumers, so ONLY the honest normal players suffer.... No, I think not. If someone can make a decent enough game and make sure the only ones that can use the chats, mails and tell services are those PAYING to play the game and refuse to abuse the EULA... that is wherre my money goes. Not paying to be abused by gold sellers and their moronic costumers again.
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Cz, want to hear a funny? There are even gold/cred sellers in Tabula Rasa, one of the easiest games to get cred/gold. I swear the gold farming market must be ready for a collapse if they're farming that game, so the AoC farmers are of *no* surprise to me. It's a matter of when that market implodes much like the US housing market.
-- Brede
AOC has a MASSIVE gold drain for setting up/sieging/defending bases. It's a gold sellers dream.
The guild leader could easily spend a few billion hiring mercenaries(for a few hours of base defense) once the game is underway for a while. Not to mention the potential if say your crafters have to say work in real life and aren't around for maintence and repairs of a base, you need someone to work on it before the week is up(you'll need lots of resources to boot which you could likely end up having to buy depending on resource spawns and who owns them).
Goldsellers dream if the economy is even half as borked as a normal MMO's economy.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Personally, I do not care if people buy or sell gold. There is, was, and always will be ways for people to turn leisure past times and turn them into a money making venture. There are problems with it, sure. There are problems with everything in life, but we really should pick our battles. Where I draw the line are with places such as WoW, with the 2645653467521 million subs they boat about, half of them are bots and farmers. I played the Beta of WoW, and enjoyed the game for a while, back when it was "just another MMO" and while I won't knock the game, it IS a good game and has its market... after some time away from the game I reactivated my accounts and went to play. Was in game all of 5 minutes and was spammed by at least 5 different toons advertising their gold selling websites. That is absolutely ridiculous and should be put to a stop. I tried to play and chat with old friends, but was spending as much time filtering out names I did not wish to be harassed by as I was catching up with past acquaintances.
In short, if people want to turn something from being a game FOR THEM into a job, hey whatever. Different strokes for different folks, ya know? It is wrong for them to take MY "escape" away from me. To me, it says far more about a company such as Blizzard, or Sony, or EA, or <insert name of company here> when they allow such rampant disregard and griefing to persist than ANY amount of subscribers they wish to speak of. No amount of players, or features or content will offset such poor customer care... to me. It is the almighty dollar that they hear however. Not the requests of the TRUE players to have the crap dealt with.
i hate them because it completely screws up the economy. the games that i loved to play were ones with few players buying gold or few sellers of gold (SWG was one) and it was fun to craft because the economy was stable. WoW is the perfect example of the most screwed up economy in all the MMO's. because of the easy supply of the gold and sheer amount of players who are willing to pay for the gold it floods the game and turns the economy into a twink based instance grind just to get decent cash.
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-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
We desperately need a game that supports RMT from the very beginning, and designs the game around it. I'm sick of the gold farmer companies, and would really like a game that gives every player the opportunity to sell (and of course buy for those so inclined) items/gold without the massive imbalance of the gold faming companies. This requires the game design to reward players for playing the toughest parts of the game, and take away the ezmode farming where any character with a few greens can farm 100s of gold per hour. This is why wow is so plagued by gold farmers. If they actually had to really work up a character and gear up well before finding anything of value to other players, then the gold farming companies pretty much go away.
Yeah, I know there's plenty of people here who will disagree with me (and surely flame me), but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
I hope Gold Farmers get Riped to bits by AoC Players...they can actually dish out some nasty punishment ... Stop farming gold! *chops off arm* I look forward to videos of Farmer hunting. (enjoys seeing them for any game)
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You guys who think "the gold farmers on AoC" will get owned are fooling yourselves. L, L2, Shadowbane, DAOC, UO, WoW PvP, SWG, EvE, and the list goes on. IGE.com has reported that the VAST MAJORITY of all their business comes from PvP games/PvP servers. Why? Because the competition is highest there. You are an idiot if you think players can police the gold seller community. And for the record, many gold selling companies work directly with the game developers. The dirty little secret is that thanks to the IGEs of the world, people with more money than time play the games because they can buy gold and get by with it if you go through reputable sellers. It is the gold spammers in game that you buy from that get you banned.
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@Miner-2049er - i think casual people who dont play much hate goldsellers the most. Why? Because they cant really compete with them. Hardcore people you mentioned can compete because farmers in reality are hardcore players (they farm nonstop). By selling gold to other players they artifically boost their competitiveness.The rest of people, whose who dont play much and dont buy gold, soon find themselves outclassed by both the hardcore players and those who buy gold.
While I can understand that any hardcore player may have a fair advantage over me due to the amount of time invested, I certainly do not like the idea that someone may have advantage just because he can buy it with real cash. After all, is the whole point of the game to be rewarded for your efforts or for your wallet?
Not that I like gold farmers (mainly because of the ethnic consideration of cheating) but your arguments are full of holes.
First, if gold farmers make their gold off AH, it will LOWER price for the items they farm and auction off.
Second, hardcore gamers should hate the gold farmers MORE than casuals. Why? Hardcore players don't need gold farmers and gold farmers are competing with them to farm stuff. The causals, OTOH, can buy gold and become MORE competitive compared to the hardcore players. The casuals are more likely to buy gold than hardcore players.
As much as people identify with the game economies and more specifically with farmers, the basic structure seems to be over-looked. The reason there are gold sellers is because there is a market, demand.
Who do you think the buyers are? I would argue its the same demographic of players who are changing the foundation of MMORPG's to a streamed lined hurry up and have fun game model. There was a time when enjoying the game came from earning your way, facing challenges and meeting adversity, you know like the old days of EQ.
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@Miner-2049er - i think casual people who dont play much hate goldsellers the most. Why? Because they cant really compete with them. Hardcore people you mentioned can compete because farmers in reality are hardcore players (they farm nonstop). By selling gold to other players they artifically boost their competitiveness.The rest of people, whose who dont play much and dont buy gold, soon find themselves outclassed by both the hardcore players and those who buy gold.
While I can understand that any hardcore player may have a fair advantage over me due to the amount of time invested, I certainly do not like the idea that someone may have advantage just because he can buy it with real cash. After all, is the whole point of the game to be rewarded for your efforts or for your wallet?
Not that I like gold farmers (mainly because of the ethnic consideration of cheating) but your arguments are full of holes.
First, if gold farmers make their gold off AH, it will LOWER price for the items they farm and auction off.
Second, hardcore gamers should hate the gold farmers MORE than casuals. Why? Hardcore players don't need gold farmers and gold farmers are competing with them to farm stuff. The causals, OTOH, can buy gold and become MORE competitive compared to the hardcore players. The casuals are more likely to buy gold than hardcore players.
So clueless its scarey.
First off, by farmers flooding the market the prices plumet on those particular items, thus normal players can't make a profit like they used to on those items, thus destroying the low end market economy.
Second, when pathetic scum buy their gold from these morons, it causes inflation on the price of the high end gear because more people have more gold to spend, thus again destroying the high end market economy.
etc I could go on forever but read the other multiple threads on this subject and you will see how they screw up all game economies they get their hands on, and ruin the enjoyment of honest players.
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Cz, want to hear a funny? There are even gold/cred sellers in Tabula Rasa, one of the easiest games to get cred/gold. I swear the gold farming market must be ready for a collapse if they're farming that game, so the AoC farmers are of *no* surprise to me. It's a matter of when that market implodes much like the US housing market.
-- Brede
Yep Brede, when I did the research Tabula Rasa 70% of the sites I looked at offered TR currency. Not bad for a game supposedly easy to get money.Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Also let me add to the discussion of Good Gold sellers vs Bad gold sellers. It is also the Online currency sellers that are responsible for the account hacking. Forget the balance of power of Casual Vs Hard core. Ive seen players disgusted and leave the game.... entire guilds decimated...by some atrocious account hacks/keylogging, etc.
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
The secondary market is here to stay. Try as anyone might, it will not be suppressed.
You simply cannot stop a person with too much time and not enough money from exchanging with someone with too much money and not enough time.
If WAR is total rvr environment, will it not make it a bit more difficult to "harvest for gold" ... and a bit more fun to harrass and slaughter these farmers? Or am i just over simplifing things but not understanding the WAR currency system yet?
I agree. I'm not totally against gold sellers if a game can involve them some how, thus removing the fraud issue that often gets tagged on it.
-- Brede
No, you'll find there's never a shortage of gold, even on servers/games that are FFA PVP. For one thing, there is always places to farm that are out of the way, and 2nd, you'd be surprised how strong an army gold sellers will put together to defend their business. I recall when I played Lineage 2 if you bothered some of the farmers too much, you'd have a red pk squad of 6 -10 all over you in seconds, which tended to discourage folks from harrasing them.
Besides, they provide many benefits, as they frequently supply markets with large amounts of dropped rare items, (because they rarely use them)which actually lowers their price. In some games, they can be principal suppliers of raw materials, and once again, tend to sell for lower than player characters because they have no use for them.
Despite the huge amount of gold sellers in WOW, no one can point to a single server that has a destroyed economy due to gold selling, mostly due to the way Blizzard structured the game.
Also, while I'm sure keyloggers/hackers are often gold sellers, there's no real proof of this, nor can you make statements that all gold sellers are hackers. I'm sure in some cases the hackers are just smart players looking to make a buck.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
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It should take this game about 2 minutes before its over run with farmers.
It's a lost fight, western gamers consume way to much and companies really can't do anything effective against it. People have been arguing about it for years and the problem gets worse and worse.
www.massively.com/2008/04/20/who-is-winning-the-gold-farming-war/