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AoC: Why are they subscriptions so high? Are they nuts?

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  • AmegashieAmegashie Member UncommonPosts: 289
    Linking it another time doesn't change the fact there are only Dollar and Euro prices listed. You're still just guessing.
  • cthornettcthornett Member Posts: 32

     

    Originally posted by Amegashie

    Linking it another time doesn't change the fact there are only Dollar and Euro prices listed. You're still just guessing.

     

    Sorry, I assumed you hadn't seen it. True, the Funcom investor report could be inacccurate. They could also have a completely different price in mind for the UK (but why mention VAT at all if that's the case?). A lot of things could happen before release.  I'm just discussing and speculating about info available on a game, which is pretty much what game forums are all about... Well, aside from being an excuse for anyone to vent their anger/frustration/irritation with life on strangers.

     

  • Kram59Kram59 Member Posts: 153
    Originally posted by cthornett


    AoC is one of those games I've been looking at with growing interest, but I was a little stunned to see the recently released subscription prices for the game.
    In the UK players will be asked to stump up £12.20 per month (that's 12.99 euros (or £10.43) plus VAT).
    In the US, it's looking like $14.99 (ironically, with the exchange rate the way it is that's a mere £7.50, but there'd  be VAT on top of that).
    The question is: are they nuts?
    I realise there will be many die-hard fans of this game that will happily upgrade their rigs and trump up that much to play, but to those UK players who are interested in trying it out, do you think £12.20 is a fair price? Personally, I think they've shot themselves in the head with this kind of pricing, but I'd be interested to see what everyone else thinks.
    EDIT I've tacked on a poll of suggested UK subscription prices to see how much you reckon is fair. If you're American, it's (very roughly) two dollars to a pound, so feel free to add your mark as well. Mind you, $14.99 seems okay to me.
     
    Cheers,
     
     
     

    I have never, (and never will) understand people that complain about $15 bucks a month. I realize if your poor, and living out of a dumpster, but what do you want to pay? 1 buck? 5 bucks? How about free? Yea, and I wish gas was 50 cents a gallon. How can anyone afford a computer if they can't come up with 50 cents a day?

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  • WiccanCircleWiccanCircle Member Posts: 336

    Originally posted by dragoscocos


    Dont get me wrong guys but really, are you so cheap? Im living in one of the poorest countries in europe and 2-3 euro more per month doesnt seem a tragedy for an online game that you really like. Whats it per year, 40 euro, thats like 10 beers .
    Drago is right.  It is only a couple of bucks.  (I will use the Amercian Dollar as example currency to keep this less twisty)

    Even at the highest guess price of nearly $25 American for the poor Brits, it is still a mere 77-cents per day. I simply don't see a problem .

    What did I see on The Daedalus Project http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000891.php, (interesting compilation of data you should read)  the average regular MMOer plays their game of choice about 21 hours per week.  That is 3.6-cents per hour. I really don't see a problem here

    Perhaps second only to WoW Rulez Dood,  are the complaints from the kidiots about the price of games.  You don't want to pay 4-cents an hour for a game?  Don't. 

    I am going to guess that volume and anger from people about so called, "High" prices are directly proportional to how much those people should be out getting a life and a better job.  People that can't afford 4-cents an hour should NOT be playing with toys.

    The Mt. Dew these kidiots guzzle while playing @ 1 Mt. Dew per hour, $1.29 per bottle. That is 32.5 x the CoA subsciption.

    Sheesh people, MMOs are perhaps the single cheapest form of entertainment in the world today - stop the whining.

    Oh yeah, and as for the price difference between different countries... ummm, well don't live in socialist countries and you wont have higher prices.  There is a reason that the USA has the highest standard of living in the entire world, it isn't resources - Russia has far more.  It isn't population to make production - China has 430% the population of the USA yet the USA produces 40% of the goods for the entire world!

    It is freedom to own property.  If you don't like higher and higher prices then stop electing Marxists to run your overbearing, tyrannical governments.  Roll back the size of your nanny-States and allow people to achieve to the level that THEY desire.  Rather than punish those that want to work harder, learn more, do more and therefore - Make More.

     

    "The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."

  • JupstoJupsto Member UncommonPosts: 2,075

    er its the same as every other mmo? doesn't make it right to charge EU more, but still - are you genuinely surprised or just people sensational?

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  • KilmarKilmar Member UncommonPosts: 844

    Yes, its a bad joke. Its 15$ in the USA, but 15€ in the EU (thats around 25$!)

  • WiccanCircleWiccanCircle Member Posts: 336

    Originally posted by Consensus


    er its the same as every other mmo? doesn't make it right to charge EU more...
    Exactly why would anyone think that prices in two different countries would be the same?

    Is the price of running a business identical in every country, umm nope. 

    The cost of taxation, bandwidth, servers, on and on and on is more highly punative in Europe than in the USA.  That is the price they pay for electing Marxists and wanting to live in a Nanny-State.  Choices have consequences. 

    The damage done by socialism is all around you, now, when it shows up in the elevated cost of a toy people complain?

    "The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."

  • cthornettcthornett Member Posts: 32

    I'm genuinely surprised.

    It has made me think alot about MMORPGs and how they sit as a form of entertainment though. I'm not interested in the wallet-waving, it's irrelevant to what players expect to pay to play their chosen title.

    I'm wondering if we get so much 'entertainment value' from them, maybe we should expect to pay more?

    Where I live a film costs £7, which, unless it's a Peter Jackson flick, lasts about two hours. I'll also pay out £30+ for a game in a different genre. Even looking at single player RPGs, I've been playing Oblivion again recently and that's offering weeks of real-time entertainment, and that cost about £35 at the time (probably more).

    If we treated MMOs as a constantly expanding game that perpetually supplied us with amusement, then we may one day see MMOs costing £30 a month (or the inflationary equivalent).

    I still think AoC is going in too high right now, but maybe it's time to consider what a £12-15+ a month MMO could be like. If you could guarantee that an acceptable percentage of the money was being ploughed back into the game, rather than going into someone's pocket, you could have a niche title that had the game development clout of WoW.

    The subscription cost of MMORPGs is historical though. Price a game too high and it won't get the userbase it needs to thrive. Yes, I'm genuinely surprised. It looks like I'll be looking at it for work as well, so I'll soon see if it's worth it.

    Cheers,

    EDIT Sorry about the typo in the thread title, I hate it when that happens.

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,993
    EDIT: I made a nice quote of wolfmann's post, but after reading it again I think there was some mistake in AoC's price he wrote. I was too lazy to start correcting it, and to prevent spreading misinformation I deleted this post /EDIT
     
  • adrianemeryadrianemery Member Posts: 250

    Now I can see why Eurpoean pricing structure is different over here in europe than the US  if the EU servers are based anywhere in NW Europe getting the server farm and tech bods WILL be more expensive than in the US, especially as there is a shortage of computer scientists at the moment.

    BUT if there is a big price difference between the Euro price and the £ sterling price then that's another matter Funcom under EU law cannot charge more in one EU country than another.

    Apple got slapped with a big fine when iTines in the UK charged 99p per track yet it was 99c in the Eurozone, even taking VAT into consideration the EU ruled that Apple were profiteering and got a big fine over it.

    Although I am convinced the days of sub £10 MMO's are now going it does make me wonder about the timing of the announcement, what with the credit crunch and the real possibility of a recession happening, luxury goods such as this will be the 1st thing people will cut back on and Funcom will need to have a big think whether or not they actually want to be the 1st ones to go over the £10 mark.

  • DosPwnsDosPwns Member Posts: 8

    I pay about £1200 a month in various onlinemonthly fees, I'm so rich I forget to turn them off and forget what website they come from. I don't care how much WAR or AoC is because I'm tacking it onto my tab for a total of  >£1200, which btw that means greater than so i just thought i'd let you know incase you didnt know cuz now you know.

     

    Yeah. Thats what im doing.

  • cthornettcthornett Member Posts: 32

     

    Originally posted by DosPwns


    I pay about £1200 a month in various onlinemonthly fees, I'm so rich I forget to turn them off and forget what website they come from. I don't care how much WAR or AoC is because I'm tacking it onto my tab for a total of  >£1200, which btw that means greater than so i just thought i'd let you know incase you didnt know cuz now you know.
     
    Yeah. Thats what im doing.

     

    Thanks for the info. Bless you for supporting all those poor MMO developers and feeding their wee sprogs. (It's true, some even stop work to breed from time to time). They should all put you on their Christmas cards' list, at the very least, or maybe give you a special cross-game, in-game medal - or something.

  • wolfmannwolfmann Member Posts: 1,159

    Originally posted by WiccanCircle


     
    Originally posted by Consensus


    er its the same as every other mmo? doesn't make it right to charge EU more...
    Exactly why would anyone think that prices in two different countries would be the same?

     

    Is the price of running a business identical in every country, umm nope. 

    The cost of taxation, bandwidth, servers, on and on and on is more highly punative in Europe than in the USA.  That is the price they pay for electing Marxists and wanting to live in a Nanny-State.  Choices have consequences. 

    The damage done by socialism is all around you, now, when it shows up in the elevated cost of a toy people complain?

    Oh ignorance is gold.. Or so it seems.

    Prices in two different countries?

    Excuuuuuse me, but Europe consists of 46 countries... Oh and for your information..or should I say ignorance? only 27 of those countries are part of the EU. (Wich makes it kinda ignorant of MMO companies to punish us all with VAT, wich is a EU thing... Not that they pay the VAT to the EU for those european subscribers that are not part of the EU...)

    So by your thinking, we should have 46 different prices, based on how rich a country is...

     

    As for the rest of your post... Again, ignorance is golden.. Or so it seems... Not all european countries has a nanny state,  many have, and we pay about the same in taxes as you guys.. But at least our income taxes goes to pay for our social benefits rather than bankers who charge a nation interest on printing their money..

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  • wolfmannwolfmann Member Posts: 1,159
    Originally posted by adrianemery


    Now I can see why Eurpoean pricing structure is different over here in europe than the US  if the EU servers are based anywhere in NW Europe getting the server farm and tech bods WILL be more expensive than in the US, especially as there is a shortage of computer scientists at the moment.
    BUT if there is a big price difference between the Euro price and the £ sterling price then that's another matter Funcom under EU law cannot charge more in one EU country than another.
    Apple got slapped with a big fine when iTines in the UK charged 99p per track yet it was 99c in the Eurozone, even taking VAT into consideration the EU ruled that Apple were profiteering and got a big fine over it.
    Although I am convinced the days of sub £10 MMO's are now going it does make me wonder about the timing of the announcement, what with the credit crunch and the real possibility of a recession happening, luxury goods such as this will be the 1st thing people will cut back on and Funcom will need to have a big think whether or not they actually want to be the 1st ones to go over the £10 mark.

    European pricing structure varies between each country, and yet servers are not as expensive as you might think. You have to remember that in Europe, the corporations are not as king as they want to be, thus can't charge freely for their services/offerings

     

    If servers were so expensive in Europe, Funcom would have moved AO's servers to North America or China years and years ago.

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  • AmegashieAmegashie Member UncommonPosts: 289
    Originally posted by WiccanCircle

    Originally posted by Consensus


    er its the same as every other mmo? doesn't make it right to charge EU more...
    Exactly why would anyone think that prices in two different countries would be the same?

    Is the price of running a business identical in every country, umm nope. 

    The cost of taxation, bandwidth, servers, on and on and on is more highly punative in Europe than in the USA.  That is the price they pay for electing Marxists and wanting to live in a Nanny-State.  Choices have consequences. 

    The damage done by socialism is all around you, now, when it shows up in the elevated cost of a toy people complain?



    I'm grateful my "nanny state" sponsored me an education good enough for me not spewing random garbage about a continent I obviously only know from watching Fox News. Or is that supposed to be an attempt at humour, gone wrong miserably ?
  • WiccanCircleWiccanCircle Member Posts: 336

     

    Originally posted by wolfmann


     
    Originally posted by WiccanCircle


     
    Originally posted by Consensus


    er its the same as every other mmo? doesn't make it right to charge EU more...
    Exactly why would anyone think that prices in two different countries would be the same?

     

    Is the price of running a business identical in every country, umm nope. 

    The cost of taxation, bandwidth, servers, on and on and on is more highly punative in Europe than in the USA.  That is the price they pay for electing Marxists and wanting to live in a Nanny-State.  Choices have consequences. 

    The damage done by socialism is all around you, now, when it shows up in the elevated cost of a toy people complain?

    Oh ignorance is gold.. Or so it seems.

     

    Prices in two different countries?

    Excuuuuuse me, but Europe consists of 46 countries... Oh and for your information..or should I say ignorance? only 27 of those countries are part of the EU. (Wich makes it kinda ignorant of MMO companies to punish us all with VAT, wich is a EU thing... Not that they pay the VAT to the EU for those european subscribers that are not part of the EU...)

    So by your thinking, we should have 46 different prices, based on how rich a country is...

     

    As for the rest of your post... Again, ignorance is golden.. Or so it seems... Not all european countries has a nanny state,  many have, and we pay about the same in taxes as you guys.. But at least our income taxes goes to pay for our social benefits rather than bankers who charge a nation interest on printing their money..

     

    Perhaps it is that English is your second language, but the Original Post is about the difference between the price in the USA and the price in Great Britain.  But I forgive you your patheitc reading ability.

    Your understanding of free markets is what I would expect from someone that doesn't live under a free market system.  People don't pay differing prices based on how wealthy ("rich" is word you used)  a country is.  People pay differing prices based on the profit potential under different market conditions... Europe IS far more socialist and has far more punative regulations, taxes and controls over trade and commerce.  That is what changes the market price.  Your country does more to restrict commerce and you are confused as to why you have less trade?

    THAT my, friend across the pond, is why your products cost different prices than those same products found in other parts of the world.  And as far as wether 'we' should have different prices - the answer is a resounding YES !

    A company can and should be able to charge anything it wants for its product based on market conditions, taxation, astrological charts or a bug up their ass... it is THEIR product

    If it costs more for Funcom to conduct business in Great Britain than it does in the USA or in Brazil or in Liechtenstein then the company has every right to charge those people more for that same exact product.

    I am not interested in paying more for my copy of Age of Conan just to offset losses Funcom receives from doing business in Marxist countries that punish trade.  Exactly why do you think I should suppliment what you pay for your toys?  I didn't go to 8-years of college, pass medical boards and get up in the morning so that I can compensate your purchaces.  it is bad enough that we still pay Europe's bills for.... nah  I'll let that go for now.

    To sum up the entire post -

    a)  Products costs different amounts based on market conditions.

    b) That is a good thing.

    c) Don't ask others to pay for something you want.

     

    "The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."

  • MaxZnortMaxZnort Member Posts: 19

    The difference on the prices for different currencies it's just greed(?) from Funcom and has nothing to do with costs or taxes being higher on Europe. Suppose an european country that don't have the euro (or pound) as currency. People from there can choose to pay in euros, dollars or pounds. So...

    I'm a long time AO player, playing for free for some time now, but recently had some nostalgy for some playfields only avaiable on the expansions and decided to reactivate one of my payed accounts. Due to the exchange rate between dollars and euros I've send an e-mail to Funcom asking how could I make my payment in dollars using a credit card. Well, the answer was their credit card payment system wasn't ready to accept severall currencies, so if I want to use credit card I must pay in euros. Of course if I use other payment method besides credit card I can pay in dollars, only difference is the VAT.

    Advice, buy the game in your country courrency (or from an online store that accept dollars) and pay the subscription in dollars. You'll find a way to do it

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  • billiebillie Member UncommonPosts: 400

    us$15 per month... us$0.50 per day... (remember when video games were us$0.25 per play?)
    but soon limited to only playable for two to four hours gameplay per day... unless one pays extra!


    besides if you euros did not have such ugggly money... were not in that illuminatze common market you would not be sheeple.

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  • rshandlonrshandlon Member Posts: 173

    I don't understand the higher prices you will have to pay in Europe, but something about this whole thing mad me laugh.

     

    Funcom has its headquarters and main offices in Switzerland and Norway and most of the main developers for Age of Conan are from Europe.  I thought it ironic that they would make their fellow Europeans pay more than they would us measly Americans.........

     

        Yeah it boggles the mind don't it. LOL

  • CalibanvovCalibanvov Member UncommonPosts: 192

    To the OP.

     

    think about it this way.  You pay $10 for a 2 hour movie.  You pay $40 for a day at the fair. You pay $5 for a beer at a bar. 

    as for paying for an MMO. You get alot of entertainment time per dollar.

     

     

  • Sylar3Sylar3 Member Posts: 118

    There is sti.ll no proof on the actual price on the UK subs. The OP is just seeing the EU hich is in Euros and putting it on the UK price which is in pounds. Why there is 8 pages on this I have no idea. The US price is usually $14.99, the EU price is usually around 12 to 13 euros. And the Uk price is usually around £6-9. There is no proof that the price is any higher then that, and if you show me the piece of paper again that shows me the price I will send it back because that is not proof. Proof actually has to have UK pounds on it. Age of Conan will probably just folow everyone else in the MMO company world in sub pricing and I don't see why they would do anything different.

  • nuififunnuififun Member Posts: 123
    Originally posted by cthornett



    I'm wondering if we get so much 'entertainment value' from them, maybe we should expect to pay more?


    I pay £5 a month for 8mb broadband connection, this makes £13 for a game subscription seem quite ridiculous.

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