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The server merge vs. free transfer debate

Has been settled! SOE's plan is....to do nothing! Hopefully people on all the servers other than the four moderately populated servers will just cancel their subscriptions because there is no no hope for them.

"k.) server merges... probably a bad idea.... chapter 10 will bring a new lfg interface that will make it easier to find folks for grouping .... they want eisley and aurilia to remain "hubs".... server merges and free server transfers will likely not be implemented because it doesn't do anything to incentivize staying on your server and maintaining the roots you established there."

 

I also just saw this little slap in the face to the few remaining Elder Jedi: "blixtev said, flat out, the elder robe cannot be the end-all be all forever, and its time to move on"

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  • Sam123jo0123Sam123jo0123 Member Posts: 409

    People have been saying it for years : Move on.

    Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?

  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261

    Believe it or not, but there is an opinion outside of what you see on the forums.  There are plenty of people on those supposedly dead servers that would not want to see their cities, housing locations and everything else that can't be transferred lost when the server is shutdown.  Right now, keeping them alive keeps those people happy and those that prefer a more populated server can transfer their characters to a different server.

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  • HastorHadronHastorHadron Member Posts: 187

    All due respect Ob, but I think they should, at the least allow free server transfers.

    I understand many people are happy on their small servers. But many are not and want to interact with more people.

    What would it cost for a player to transfer himself and another toon (like most people have) with gear?

    100 dollars?

    Why should those players have to pay double what an expansion would cost just because they were unlucky enough to be on a server that has dwindled? Being on a larger server, I know it is only dumb luck that I am on one.

    I can see why people would oppose the server merge, but why on earth would you deny a free transfer?

    Bottom Line--- people who enjoy the MMO part of the game should have the right to go to another server. When you hear about the numbers on Kauri and some of the others, to ignore this is intolerable.

    Maybe the grouping mechanism will help, if it does not, this issue needs to be revisited STAT.

     

  • Sam123jo0123Sam123jo0123 Member Posts: 409
    Originally posted by HastorHadron


    All due respect Ob, but I think they should, at the least allow free server transfers.
    I understand many people are happy on their small servers. But many are not and want to interact with more people.
    What would it cost for a player to transfer himself and another toon (like most people have) with gear?
    100 dollars?
    Why should those players have to pay double what an expansion would cost just because they were unlucky enough to be on a server that has dwindled? Being on a larger server, I know it is only dumb luck that I am on one.
    I can see why people would oppose the server merge, but why on earth would you deny a free transfer?
    Bottom Line--- people who enjoy the MMO part of the game should have the right to go to another server. When you hear about the numbers on Kauri and some of the others, to ignore this is intolerable.
    Maybe the grouping mechanism will help, if it does not, this issue needs to be revisited STAT.
     



    People always have the option to create chars on the other servers, paying the fee is only if you wish to take your previous character with you.

    Account has been stolen, why would someone want to steal my account?

  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261

    Originally posted by HastorHadron


    All due respect Ob, but I think they should, at the least allow free server transfers.
    I understand many people are happy on their small servers. But many are not and want to interact with more people.
    What would it cost for a player to transfer himself and another toon (like most people have) with gear?
    100 dollars?
    Why should those players have to pay double what an expansion would cost just because they were unlucky enough to be on a server that has dwindled? Being on a larger server, I know it is only dumb luck that I am on one.
    I can see why people would oppose the server merge, but why on earth would you deny a free transfer?
    Bottom Line--- people who enjoy the MMO part of the game should have the right to go to another server. When you hear about the numbers on Kauri and some of the others, to ignore this is intolerable.
    Maybe the grouping mechanism will help, if it does not, this issue needs to be revisited STAT.
     
    I don't necassarily disagree with you, I just think they should work through the minor solutions first, such as this new LFG system, rather then breaking out the sledge hammer to begin with. 

    Personally, I think they should temporarily disallow new characters to be made on the top populated servers and prevent any transfers from going to them also.  Oddly, they have the Recommended tag on these top populated servers rather then the lower populated ones, which is why they're not getting alot of new players on them.

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  • HastorHadronHastorHadron Member Posts: 187

    Well i think the reason they recommend the heavier servers is because any new players would not stay with an MMO long if they could not group with other players.

    The problem is, if someone new does come, it is not a good business practice to send them to the ghost servers.

    I do not claim to know what the server numbers are, but if GCW rank can be used for any indication. someone needs to throw those poor SOB's on Kauri a lifeline.

    Maybe the point will be moot with the new grouping mechanism. If the new grouping does not work... free transfers seem to be the least owed to the players on those servers.

  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465

    The time for the sledgehammer is past. A wrecking ball or dynamite is what is needed now.

    Why no server merges? Devs: "It's too HAARRRRRDDD."

    Why no free transfers? $OE: "We're too cheap!, keep paying us the $50/$100, suckers!"

    No one should play a game, where the devs can't even manipulate their own code, or the company is too effing cheap to do what is right by the players.

    No matter, with the new MMOs coming out, SWG (and $OE for that matter) will be even less relevant.

  • ValeranValeran Member Posts: 925

    Originally posted by Obraik


     
    Originally posted by HastorHadron


    All due respect Ob, but I think they should, at the least allow free server transfers.
    I understand many people are happy on their small servers. But many are not and want to interact with more people.
    What would it cost for a player to transfer himself and another toon (like most people have) with gear?
    100 dollars?
    Why should those players have to pay double what an expansion would cost just because they were unlucky enough to be on a server that has dwindled? Being on a larger server, I know it is only dumb luck that I am on one.
    I can see why people would oppose the server merge, but why on earth would you deny a free transfer?
    Bottom Line--- people who enjoy the MMO part of the game should have the right to go to another server. When you hear about the numbers on Kauri and some of the others, to ignore this is intolerable.
    Maybe the grouping mechanism will help, if it does not, this issue needs to be revisited STAT.
     
    I don't necassarily disagree with you, I just think they should work through the minor solutions first, such as this new LFG system, rather then breaking out the sledge hammer to begin with. 

     

    Personally, I think they should temporarily disallow new characters to be made on the top populated servers and prevent any transfers from going to them also.  Oddly, they have the Recommended tag on these top populated servers rather then the lower populated ones, which is why they're not getting alot of new players on them.

    And how praytell will the new LFG system work for Kauri?  All 10 of the people remaining already know each other. 

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  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383

    Originally posted by Obraik


     
    I don't necassarily disagree with you, I just think they should work through the minor solutions first, such as this new LFG system, rather then breaking out the sledge hammer to begin with. 
     
    Personally, I think they should temporarily disallow new characters to be made on the top populated servers and prevent any transfers from going to them also.  Oddly, they have the Recommended tag on these top populated servers rather then the lower populated ones, which is why they're not getting alot of new players on them.

    They've had 2 1/2 years to "work through the minor solutions". Isn't it time for bigger, more meaningful solutions?

    I say bring forth the sledge hammers and get the job done.

  • At this point they probably need the transfer fees to make their monthly minimums.  That's why you won't see merges or free transfers.

    Ironically, there WAS one time in the past when SOE actually did offer free server transfers:  OFF of Bria.

    Back during the CU, Bria was so full it crashed every day.  So, they offered free transfers for anyone (except Jedi) to transfer off with items.

    Now that the problem is reversed, where they need to let people off empty servers to more populated ones, they won't do anything about it.  The plan to fix this with grouping tools is completely stupid.  If the problem is that there aren't people playing on your server, not enough to make it viable, HOW is a tool that will just make it easier to find out just how "ronrey" you are going to help that?

    Answer:  It isn't.

    They know this.

    What SOE isn't saying is that they don't want you to transfer...  for free that is.

    If they really thought that free transfers "would hurt those servers" then why allow paid for transfers?  Put your money where your mouth is, SOE, and forbid ALL transfers except from populated to light servers!

    Follow the money it will always lead you to the truth.

     

     

  • ThunderousThunderous Member Posts: 1,152

    Obraik.  2.5 years isn't enough time to work through the kinks???

    You have to be kidding...  2.5 years and this is STILL and issue and they are STILL charging people to trasnfer servers.

    They don't deserve any customers at this point.  Aweful way to treat your remaining, loyal, paying customers... 

    Tecmo Bowl.

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by salvaje


    At this point they probably need the transfer fees to make their monthly minimums.  That's why you won't see merges or free transfers.
    Ironically, there WAS one time in the past when SOE actually did offer free server transfers:  OFF of Bria.
    Back during the CU, Bria was so full it crashed every day.  So, they offered free transfers for anyone (except Jedi) to transfer off with items.
    Now that the problem is reversed, where they need to let people off empty servers to more populated ones, they won't do anything about it.  The plan to fix this with grouping tools is completely stupid.  If the problem is that there aren't people playing on your server, not enough to make it viable, HOW is a tool that will just make it easier to find out just how "ronrey" you are going to help that?
    Answer:  It isn't.
    They know this.
    What SOE isn't saying is that they don't want you to transfer...  for free that is.
    If they really thought that free transfers "would hurt those servers" then why allow paid for transfers?  Put your money where your mouth is, SOE, and forbid ALL transfers except from populated to light servers!
    Follow the money it will always lead you to the truth.
     
     

    plus they proceed on the assumption now that any transfer to Bria won't crash Bria cause of the low population that must be  now   compared to PRE CU pop that had let Bria crash back then lol

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  • Yeah, for a LONG time they forbade any transfers TO Bria, even if you paid.

     

  • TookyGTookyG Warhammer Online CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,115

    I haven't played for a while but I personally think that all of the servers need to be rolled into 4 or 5 servers.  Granted, it would be a monumental challenge to merge SWGs servers because of the database (resources are unique to each server and go back to the beginning of the game [my first character still has hide from day 1], crafted items are unique, housing plots are occupied across multiple servers).  However, the merge just has to happen to provide some semblance of population to those servers.  Otherwise people that don't want to start over or pay the transfer fee will eventually cancel.  New players that pick a lesser populated server probably won't stay.  It's just not healthy for the game to keep all of those servers open.

    Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.

  • p920037p920037 Member Posts: 24

    Originally posted by TookyG


    I haven't played for a while but I personally think that all of the servers need to be rolled into 4 or 5 servers.
    Anybody with more than a second grade education can clearly see that there are not enough active players to justify more than four or five servers. Unfortunately for the people still playing the crack SOE development team has labeled such a move as "too hard" to figure out so they are just going to let the low pop servers hang on the vine until they shrivel up and die.

     

    To be honest, they should let the people on those servers play for free because they certainly aren't getting a massively multiplayer experience.

  • LaterisLateris Member UncommonPosts: 1,848

    It is also about the money SWG makes from server transfers.  I always thought that the SWG players should just pick a server on the boards and encourage everyone to transfer to that server.  Oh but that would require an effort.  Where the hell is  Lando?  I swear SOE hates Lando....

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