Judging a game based on ignorant information = FAIL

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Those of you judging AoC based on the 1-20 area that was stated as being the "tutorial" starter area of AoC you FAIL badly, and show just how little you know about judging the quality of an MMO.

I'm going to laugh at ALL of you naysaying kids listening to others and not trying it yourself (the open world itself past 20) a month after the game comes out.

You don't have to be a "fanboi" to not produce ignorant and stupid statements. Judging a game before you even play it?

YOU FAIL

miagisan · May 2008

well lets see...50k people playing lvl 1-13 only

cant get off starter area

NDA still in effect for levels 1-13

what do we have to judge a game? levels we actually played or the fairyland imagination of what lvl 20+ MIGHT be like?

You sir, fail.

Brenics · May 2008

Hate to tell you this but the starter area is the first big area to immerse people into the game. If you fail here you need to work even harder after it.

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by miagisan

well lets see...50k people playing lvl 1-13 only
cant get off starter area
NDA still in effect for levels 1-13
what do we have to judge a game? levels we actually played or the fairyland imagination of what lvl 20+ MIGHT be like?
You sir, fail.

HOW exactly do "I" fail? I'm not woeing and blowing bs out my mouth saying how much this game sucks post 20 when I haven't personally touched 20+? NOT ME!!

Who's constantly putting down Funcom because their open beta "stress test" old client runs poorly on crap computers? NOT ME!!

Who's trying to flame AoC because they had no intention of testing AoC, and are trying to plug WAR and WoW? NOT ME!!....case and point read the WAR and WoW forums....done and done.

You sir, are the one who has failed.

Daffid011 · May 2008

A game should hook a player in the first few levels and put its best face forward by that point. This open beta isn't some sort of bug hunt, it is one large marketing campaign. That is what all open betas are now, marketing.

A game should not need to be played to high levels to give an indication if it will be enjoyable or to see if performance improves. It should offer those things as soon as you log in for the first time.

Note: I am not making an opinion on Conan one way or the other here, just that I think the original posters idea is fatally flawed.

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by Brenics

Hate to tell you this but the starter area is the first big area to immerse people into the game. If you fail here you need to work even harder after it.

The reason they did it like this is because their free trial system will consist of unlimited access to the Tortage area 1-20. If and when you want to buy and play the REAL game, you then gain access to the whole game post 20.

This is the main reason once you get 1 toon to 20+, all your toons after that will start at 20 if you choose.

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by Daffid011

A game should hook a player in the first few levels and put its best face forward by that point. This open beta isn't some sort of bug hunt, it is one large marketing campaign. That is what all open betas are now, marketing.

A game should not need to be played to high levels to give an indication if it will be enjoyable or to see if performance improves. It should offer those things as soon as you log in for the first time.

Note: I am not making an opinion on Conan one way or the other here, just that I think the original posters idea is fatally flawed.

My guild of 50+ individuals are hooked on AoC, and were hooked by the open beta. If you aren't hooked thats fine, but don't start flame threads ON the game saying it blows.

Nuff Said

FYI: Devs stated the game doesn't actually start until 20, and 1-20 should maybe take you a couple hours. Don't start arguments you lose badly at.

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by URMAKER

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Those of you judging AoC based on the 1-20 area that was stated as being the "tutorial" starter area of AoC you FAIL badly, and show just how little you know about judging the quality of an MMO.
I'm going to laugh at ALL of you naysaying kids listening to others and not trying it yourself (the open world itself past 20) a month after the game comes out.
You don't have to be a "fanboi" to not produce ignorant and stupid statements. Judging a game before you even play it?

YOU FAIL

AoC community is FAIL due to immature losers like yourself. Get over yourself already because you sir are fail.

Immature losers? Excuse me sir, but we are only considered "immature" because of all the WoW children coming on our forums for the past month doing WoW>AoC about 100x a day.

Sorry that we can't stand children like yourself and turn you to ashes on our forums before you understand how truly petty you really are.

Brenics · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Hate to tell you this but the starter area is the first big area to immerse people into the game. If you fail here you need to work even harder after it.

The reason they did it like this is because their free trial system will consist of unlimited access to the Tortage area 1-20. If and when you want to buy and play the REAL game, you then gain access to the whole game post 20.

This is the main reason once you get 1 toon to 20+, all your toons after that will start at 20 if you choose.

This was the most stupid thing they could have done and it shouldn't matter what you get in the retail package. The starter area is where you want to leave the customer with a great impression. All they have done was create nothing but bad press for them self. Maybe they can get out of it like they did AO or maybe they won't but right now a lot of pre-orders are being canceled and they can only blame them selves.

miagisan · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by URMAKER

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Those of you judging AoC based on the 1-20 area that was stated as being the "tutorial" starter area of AoC you FAIL badly, and show just how little you know about judging the quality of an MMO.
I'm going to laugh at ALL of you naysaying kids listening to others and not trying it yourself (the open world itself past 20) a month after the game comes out.
You don't have to be a "fanboi" to not produce ignorant and stupid statements. Judging a game before you even play it?

YOU FAIL

AoC community is FAIL due to immature losers like yourself. Get over yourself already because you sir are fail.

Immature losers? Excuse me sir, but we are only considered "immature" because of all the WoW children coming on our forums for the past month doing WoW>AoC about 100x a day.

Sorry that we can't stand children like yourself and turn you to ashes on our forums before you understand how truly petty you really are.

lol

*throws hands in the air*

i give up. i really do.

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DrSpanky · May 2008

Hehe, I haven't even gotten to 13! I got into the the city and I'm on slide-show status!

That said, what I am able to play, I enjoy, and I do hope they fix the bugs and I can play the game come release.

Brenics · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by URMAKER

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Those of you judging AoC based on the 1-20 area that was stated as being the "tutorial" starter area of AoC you FAIL badly, and show just how little you know about judging the quality of an MMO.
I'm going to laugh at ALL of you naysaying kids listening to others and not trying it yourself (the open world itself past 20) a month after the game comes out.
You don't have to be a "fanboi" to not produce ignorant and stupid statements. Judging a game before you even play it?

YOU FAIL

AoC community is FAIL due to immature losers like yourself. Get over yourself already because you sir are fail.

Immature losers? Excuse me sir, but we are only considered "immature" because of all the WoW children coming on our forums for the past month doing WoW>AoC about 100x a day.

Sorry that we can't stand children like yourself and turn you to ashes on our forums before you understand how truly petty you really are.

Never understood these comments about wow and their players. If you don't like wow fine but you have to take into account how many play the game. It IS the BIGGEST game to date and only game that ever set a new height to MMO's. If you can't accept it then how can anyone accept what you say about any other game.

Gishgeron · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Those of you judging AoC based on the 1-20 area that was stated as being the "tutorial" starter area of AoC you FAIL badly, and show just how little you know about judging the quality of an MMO.
I'm going to laugh at ALL of you naysaying kids listening to others and not trying it yourself (the open world itself past 20) a month after the game comes out.
You don't have to be a "fanboi" to not produce ignorant and stupid statements. Judging a game before you even play it?

YOU FAIL

You're right, we should totally wait until AFTER we pay 800$ to judge the game. Thats some sound logic right there. Also, its fairly bad design to make the first 20 levels NOT actually part of the game (by your reasoning). Its also bad game design to do a number of other things they've suggested they are doing...but, hell, I'll just let you figure that out on your own.

I can't see a single good reason to listen to a word of this post. Evidently, we all need to go buy every MMO made and play it to endgame before saying it sucks. Tell you what OP, you go do that with Vanguard, DnL, Matrix Online, PoTBS, and Tabula Rasa real fast and THEN come back here and tell us that making assumptions before endgame is stupid.

I'm betting you don't even make it past the newb zones in half of those games before realizing that, yes, you can in fact make decisions about a game from its early levels.

Kyleran · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Daffid011

A game should hook a player in the first few levels and put its best face forward by that point. This open beta isn't some sort of bug hunt, it is one large marketing campaign. That is what all open betas are now, marketing.

A game should not need to be played to high levels to give an indication if it will be enjoyable or to see if performance improves. It should offer those things as soon as you log in for the first time.

Note: I am not making an opinion on Conan one way or the other here, just that I think the original posters idea is fatally flawed.

My guild of 50+ individuals are hooked on AoC, and were hooked by the open beta. If you aren't hooked thats fine, but don't start flame threads ON the game saying it blows.

Nuff Said

FYI: Devs stated the game doesn't actually start until 20, and 1-20 should maybe take you a couple hours. Don't start arguments you lose badly at.

ER....you started this thread, and Daff doesn't seem to be flaming the game, just making an observation that the first 20 levels should be entertaining. (he doesn't even say AOC's aren't)

Glad to hear that your 50 guildmates are hooked by the game (isn't this always the case in threads like this?) judging from your attitude I'd say you well deserve each other.

Let us know what server you plan on playing, will help me chose mine.

Now, back on topic, (such as it is), OB's are to give people a taste of the game and to help them decide whether they wish to continue. Funcom chose not to reveal more than 13 levels, so that's all they have to base their opinion on.

Myself, I agree, you probably do need to get off the starter island to really experience the game, and I'm glad you mentioned that we only need to go through this once.

But hey, if its really any fun, the word will spread, and many folks will give it another go once its released, so no reason to get all upset by what people post in the forums about it.

Manestream · May 2008

So what you are saying is to go out and buy the game and then decide whether its worth getting after playing the free month the game came with... kinda defeats the object here somewhat as many players are just down right fucking tired of purchasing crappy games. PotBS, Vanguard to name just 2 recent release's were big dissapointments (bought vanguard, beta'd potbs and glad i did, saved me purchasing it).

I will go by reports from other players thankyou and make my decision from that, so far, the game has great graphics, but comes short on everything else, but i will still be waiting for release and proper reports to come out, if i went off reports right now i would bypass this game, but that is unfair and not giving proper reports a chance, 2-3 mths after release should see some good reports of the game, if its mediocre then i will bypass it and wait for warhammer instead (only poor reports of that is the wow graphics look and that aint really a bad thing if the gameplay is good).

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by Brenics

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Hate to tell you this but the starter area is the first big area to immerse people into the game. If you fail here you need to work even harder after it.

The reason they did it like this is because their free trial system will consist of unlimited access to the Tortage area 1-20. If and when you want to buy and play the REAL game, you then gain access to the whole game post 20.

This is the main reason once you get 1 toon to 20+, all your toons after that will start at 20 if you choose.

This was the most stupid thing they could have done and it shouldn't matter what you get in the retail package. The starter area is where you want to leave the customer with a great impression. All they have done was create nothing but bad press for them self. Maybe they can get out of it like they did AO or maybe they won't but right now a lot of pre-orders are being canceled and they can only blame them selves.

Says you, but over 15,000 people on the AoC forums have been given a great impression. Maybe you should look up the number of pre-orders that have been placed since the OB started?

Honestly, do research before posting your personal opinion as fact. You'll sound less like the "word of god".

I however, am getting tired of all the crybabies and children trying to bash a game I have come to love, and then go back to their WoW or WAR forums and start threads like "AoC has fallen like a sack of potatoes, WAR GREEN LIGHT!".

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by Manestream

So what you are saying is to go out and buy the game and then decide whether its worth getting after playing the free month the game came with... kinda defeats the object here somewhat as many players are just down right fucking tired of purchasing crappy games. PotBS, Vanguard to name just 2 recent release's were big dissapointments (bought vanguard, beta'd potbs and glad i did, saved me purchasing it).
I will go by reports from other players thankyou and make my decision from that, so far, the game has great graphics, but comes short on everything else, but i will still be waiting for release and proper reports to come out, if i went off reports right now i would bypass this game, but that is unfair and not giving proper reports a chance, 2-3 mths after release should see some good reports of the game, if its mediocre then i will bypass it and wait for warhammer instead (only poor reports of that is the wow graphics look and that aint really a bad thing if the gameplay is good).

NO, what I'm saying is that you stop making worthless ignorant threads as "the word of god" surrounding AoC as a whole and how it has "failed" when you haven't even PLAYED THE GAME.

Instead, you assume and make fools of yourselves.

Daffid011 · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Daffid011

A game should hook a player in the first few levels and put its best face forward by that point. This open beta isn't some sort of bug hunt, it is one large marketing campaign. That is what all open betas are now, marketing.

A game should not need to be played to high levels to give an indication if it will be enjoyable or to see if performance improves. It should offer those things as soon as you log in for the first time.

Note: I am not making an opinion on Conan one way or the other here, just that I think the original posters idea is fatally flawed.

My guild of 50+ individuals are hooked on AoC, and were hooked by the open beta. If you aren't hooked thats fine, but don't start flame threads ON the game saying it blows.

Nuff Said

FYI: Devs stated the game doesn't actually start until 20, and 1-20 should maybe take you a couple hours. Don't start arguments you lose badly at.

If the game doesn't start until level 20 then perhaps they should have taken that into account BEFORE they lifted the NDA. That seems a rather stupid thing to do which you think is the fault of other players for discussing their experiences. That is the whole point of lifting the NDA is so that people can openly discuss the game with the general public who also may not have access to the game?

Also, your whole "my guild loves the game so shut up if you don't" mentality leads me to believe you are not here to discuss, but rather dictate that your opinion is the only valid voice allowed here. If those 50 people love it so much let them post, I would love to read it.

Last, before you throw me under the bus with anyone that dares disagree with you, I have not played the game. I just find your whole post in bad taste and misinformed.

Gishgeron · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I however, am getting tired of all the crybabies and children trying to bash a game I have come to love, and then go back to their WoW or WAR forums and start threads like "AoC has fallen like a sack of potatoes, WAR GREEN LIGHT!".

You are far too emotionally attached to this company. A terribly unwise decision, as they are not equally attached to you.

Brenics · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Hate to tell you this but the starter area is the first big area to immerse people into the game. If you fail here you need to work even harder after it.

The reason they did it like this is because their free trial system will consist of unlimited access to the Tortage area 1-20. If and when you want to buy and play the REAL game, you then gain access to the whole game post 20.

This is the main reason once you get 1 toon to 20+, all your toons after that will start at 20 if you choose.

This was the most stupid thing they could have done and it shouldn't matter what you get in the retail package. The starter area is where you want to leave the customer with a great impression. All they have done was create nothing but bad press for them self. Maybe they can get out of it like they did AO or maybe they won't but right now a lot of pre-orders are being canceled and they can only blame them selves.

Says you, but over 15,000 people on the AoC forums have been given a great impression. Maybe you should look up the number of pre-orders that have been placed since the OB started?

Honestly, do research before posting your personal opinion as fact. You'll sound less like the "word of god".

I however, am getting tired of all the crybabies and children trying to bash a game I have come to love, and then go back to their WoW or WAR forums and start threads like "AoC has fallen like a sack of potatoes, WAR GREEN LIGHT!".

Pleas show me your proof more pre-orders have been placed after the OB.

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Daffid011

A game should hook a player in the first few levels and put its best face forward by that point. This open beta isn't some sort of bug hunt, it is one large marketing campaign. That is what all open betas are now, marketing.

A game should not need to be played to high levels to give an indication if it will be enjoyable or to see if performance improves. It should offer those things as soon as you log in for the first time.

Note: I am not making an opinion on Conan one way or the other here, just that I think the original posters idea is fatally flawed.

My guild of 50+ individuals are hooked on AoC, and were hooked by the open beta. If you aren't hooked thats fine, but don't start flame threads ON the game saying it blows.

Nuff Said

FYI: Devs stated the game doesn't actually start until 20, and 1-20 should maybe take you a couple hours. Don't start arguments you lose badly at.

If the game doesn't start until level 20 then perhaps they should have taken that into account BEFORE they lifted the NDA. That seems a rather stupid thing to do which you think is the fault of other players for discussing their experiences. That is the whole point of lifting the NDA is so that people can openly discuss the game with the general public who also may not have access to the game?

[color=red]Also, your whole "my guild loves the game so shut up if you don't" mentality leads me to believe you are not here to discuss, but rather dictate that your opinion is the only valid voice allowed here. If those 50 people love it so much let them post, I would love to read it.[/color]

Last, before you throw me under the bus with anyone that dares disagree with you, I have not played the game. I just find your whole post in bad taste and misinformed.

Yes truth be told I'm here to vent because I'm tired of people doing the EXACT same thing and no one attacks them verbally about it.

They start threads with the EXACT same mentality and are taken as the "word" and "truth" about AoC. Nothing but flaming children who haven't even PLAYED the game.

If I can't voice my opinion, you can't either....it's just that simple. If you don't want people PO'ed like me posting, then stop starting threads that have no truth or merrit behind them, and then going back to your home-game's forum and posting more negative bs about it and how much your game rules over it.

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by Brenics

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Hate to tell you this but the starter area is the first big area to immerse people into the game. If you fail here you need to work even harder after it.

The reason they did it like this is because their free trial system will consist of unlimited access to the Tortage area 1-20. If and when you want to buy and play the REAL game, you then gain access to the whole game post 20.

This is the main reason once you get 1 toon to 20+, all your toons after that will start at 20 if you choose.

This was the most stupid thing they could have done and it shouldn't matter what you get in the retail package. The starter area is where you want to leave the customer with a great impression. All they have done was create nothing but bad press for them self. Maybe they can get out of it like they did AO or maybe they won't but right now a lot of pre-orders are being canceled and they can only blame them selves.

Says you, but over 15,000 people on the AoC forums have been given a great impression. Maybe you should look up the number of pre-orders that have been placed since the OB started?

Honestly, do research before posting your personal opinion as fact. You'll sound less like the "word of god".

I however, am getting tired of all the crybabies and children trying to bash a game I have come to love, and then go back to their WoW or WAR forums and start threads like "AoC has fallen like a sack of potatoes, WAR GREEN LIGHT!".

Pleas show me your proof more pre-orders have been placed after the OB.

If your too lazy to do it yourself theres no reason I should hand everything to you. Probably another reason all these negative PR threads about how a 4yr old game (WoW) > AoC (not released yet).

Fadedbomb · May 2008

Originally posted by Gishgeron

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I however, am getting tired of all the crybabies and children trying to bash a game I have come to love, and then go back to their WoW or WAR forums and start threads like "AoC has fallen like a sack of potatoes, WAR GREEN LIGHT!".

You are far too emotionally attached to this company. A terribly unwise decision, as they are not equally attached to you.

I couldn't care about the company, the fact the IP itself is being attacked by parent's and children alike are what are frustrating me and angering me beyond most logical standards. Take a game or genre you cherish the most, and then watch children making ignorant and biased statements about it trying to ruin it.

Then come back and tell me if wisdom truly matters to you at that moment sir .

Brenics · May 2008

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Brenics

Hate to tell you this but the starter area is the first big area to immerse people into the game. If you fail here you need to work even harder after it.