Are you kidding me? Obama is going to wipe the floor with Mcain. No republican stands any chance whatsoever after Bush. Mcain is just going to be another Bush and people are sick of it.
I like to try and think of how the candidates will deal with the issues right now. Immigration, The war on terror, strengthening diplomatic ties, bringing jobs back to america, education, healthcare, and alternative fuels/transportation.
I really don't see Obama addressing these issues well. His plans would increase federal spending 200 billion. Thats not gonna come from thin air but from my pocket. I make near minimum wage, but even I know that the healthcoverage I will get from the government won't equate to the extra taxing I will pay for it. On education he seems to want to make it federal controlled, which actually could pan out to be a good idea, but federal controlled agencies usually come with a mountain of beaurocracy and overspending. All this while his kids attend private school and our kids go through public education. His solution to maintaining the peace in the middle-east is to pull out and hope things resolve themselves without US intervention, which I believe is a bad idea just looking back since 1945. I don't think we should pull out until a diplomatic solution is finally met. His reactions to other issues on the War on Terror seam to flip flop on what his views on Iraq are. Is he going to pre-emptively go to war with Pakistan, then just pull out hoping for no remifications? Also when you look at his views on education and healthcare. They are influenced by socialist ideas. So there is some merit to him being affected by Wrights preaching.
When you look at McCain, we know who he is and what he stands for. I actually trust him to handle the War on Terror well. He served in the military, and so has his 4 sons. I think when he says we will be in Iraq another 100 years is a fair assessment based on the previous amount of time we spent in other countries. On immigration, I would trust a man from Arizona more then someone from Michigan to do whats right. On healthcare he chose to side with the taxpayers, and on education he thinks the no child left behind act had good intentions but can use improving. He is also honest about the fact that he cannot force jobs back to america, some are simply lost. Ontop of this he is pro-active in the government on the economic issues. He was the forefigure on the stimulus checks, and he also wants to reduce gas prices. I am planning to vote for him in November.
Call me crazy but if we as a country can decide to elect George Dubuya Bush, for two consecutive terms and still praise him for his actions as it draws to a close then, I have to believe anything is possible. Just as sure as I don't believe Obama will win, for an obvious reason I dare not state; I also believe with things as screwed up as they are right now, maybe he has an ice cube's chance in hell of winning at the end. He won't lose because he isn't the better candidate.
As to the question of not knowing where a candidate stands - well call me crazy but it always "seems" we know where a candidate stands up until about 3-6 months after the election. I just don't think using the "flip-flopper" defense is justifiable anymore. Crazy as it may seem I want a candidate that doesn't see everything in black in and white. Maybe a candidate that can appreciate both sides of an argument and "change," his stance is what is needed. Not calling Obama a flip-flopper, just making a sly attempt at saying that maybe Kerry would have been a better choice as opposed to Bush, but I suppose that's the beauty of unprovable hindsight. People act like a person changing their stance is a sin that guarantees you a spot in the 7th circle of hell. Granted you may vote for a candidate based on his current stance, but I like to think that I'm voting for a total package, i.e. the rationale of a candidate; his or her ability to be formless, adaptable, and intelligent.
If a candidate changed his stance on something as cut n' dry as abortion and came on t.v. and explained his rationale behind his stance change I could honestly still support the candidate if I felt it was a logical/moral conclusion. The problem nowadays is that when a candidate chances something, they do their damnest to make it seem as if they didn't. Anyway, enough of my babbling.
No I don't think Obama will win but not because he isn't the best candidate. This country has a legacy of electing a certain type of candidate and I don't see that trend breaking anytime soon. No, I'm not playing the "race" card so much as the," this country is composed of lemming-like idiots" card.
I just laugh whenever I see one of your posts. You're taken as seriously as a wart on a frog's ass.
I haven't even told any jokes. I'm not asking that you take my posts seriously, as I don't care if you do or not. It's not like any of us posters are going to sway the will of the people. You understand that as well, don't you? These posts are simple ramblings that reach a very minute audience.
Now, this would be a joke that I hope people would take seriously. I'm sure you might say 'that's just meant to be humorous', but that luxury isn't afforded to people who want to run for the highest office in the nation.
Originally posted by DailyBuzz I'm sure you might say 'that's just meant to be humorous', but that luxury isn't afforded to people who want to run for the highest office in the nation.
Yes, it is. They have just as much of a right to have a sense of humor as everyone else. I mean "look at Congress, every time they make a joke, a law is passed" (source unknown).
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the only thing Obama will change is your homepage.
when it comes time for the General Election I sincerly feel that McCain will win. I didn't vote for McCain in the Primary. Nor did I vote for GWB in either election. But Obama is just plain wrong on a lot of issues. He is wrong on Healthcare in a big big way. When it comes down to it the fact that Obama wants to take a ton of money out of everyone's pockets is going to hurt him. Plus his inexperience is going to come up in a general election. He isn't going to be able to just spout "change" without any substance behind it. Remember McCain is about the most moderate of the candidates which gives him wide range support. He also is going to be remembered extremely fondly by older voters due to his war "hero" record (Of course he claims to not be a hero).
A huge thing that McCain has going for him as well is his past military experience. I loved on the Daily show when they were doing the MLK show and they were showing the candidates speaking about when they were younger and first heard the news about MLK being shot. How can you compete with McCain's answer of being in a POW camp. The man was tortured on a daily basis and had the ability to leave at anytime just by making a statement that the Vietcong wanted him to make. They wanted to release him since his Father was an Admiral. Any man that would choose to stay in those conditions and actually rally the troops that were with him has the Character necessary to be the next President.
His senate record shows years of being a moderate that will appeal extremely well to independants.
I think the major factor will be his choice for running mate. Due to McCain's age I think this will actually be a larger issue then it normally is. Plus I think after the amount of power Cheney has wielded as VP, people will start to take the VP a lot more seriously.
Honestly I think the only way Obama wins is if he picks someone extremely moderate as a VP. Hillary won't due well there. Maybe an Obama/Leiberman ticket but I really doubt Leiberman would run with Obama. But Obama is showing more and more that he isn't moderate. Plus there is no way that the Democrats are going to come together 100% after this hard fought primary battle. So Obama more then ever will need moderation to pull in the independant voters.
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That sounds like something a 6 year old would say while playing with toy soldiers. Not really a McCain statement so much a s a Bush statement. Oh wait, didn't McCain vote for Bush?
20% of voting republicans will stay home instead of voting. There are no abortion and anti-gay candidates, so most of these idiots will stay home during the GE (good riddance too).
He identifies with Bush too much, and supports one of the most unpopular wars ever.
He has a very nasty temper.
He is old.
He has flip-flopped so many times that he will make Kerry look consistent.
He doesn't have the support of the younger generation.
He has some skeletons in his closet that will make the Rev. Wright look tame.
When the religious right starts to press him on answers, he is going to look more like a democrat, and he won't be a contrast to Obama at all. Americans are going to vote for full or partial change this election. Given Bush's all-time-low approval rating, America will gamble with Obama's 'Change Express' and kick McCain to the curb.
2 We need to support Israel their a huge ally in the middle east.
3 All I hear from Obama supporters is that he means change, and when i ask what change he will bring they can't anwser.
4 Vietnam was proboly a much more hated war then the Iraq war is. I mean pretty sure our deaths are under 10k Vietnam hit 55k. The Democrats got us heavily involved and the Republicans pulled us out. Truman also put us into Korea too. Of course we also had democrats for WWI and WWII but we were attacked first and had very clear reasons to go ot war.
5 McCain is not Bush. If he was wouldnt the hardcore republicans support him?
6 When it comes to the GE and Obama has to say just what his change is I think McCain will gain the support of the mod Democrats.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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I think the major factor will be his choice for running mate. Due to McCain's age I think this will actually be a larger issue then it normally is. Plus I think after the amount of power Cheney has wielded as VP, people will start to take the VP a lot more seriously. Honestly I think the only way Obama wins is if he picks someone extremely moderate as a VP. Hillary won't due well there. Maybe an Obama/Leiberman ticket but I really doubt Leiberman would run with Obama. But Obama is showing more and more that he isn't moderate. Plus there is no way that the Democrats are going to come together 100% after this hard fought primary battle. So Obama more then ever will need moderation to pull in the independant voters.
I agree with you that the candidate's choice for VP will make a big impact on this year's election. I think it is likely that Obama will choose John Edwards.
I say what many refuse or don't want to say.Obama will lose because for a majority of people he is "off color". As someone married to a half white/half black girl i see it everyday.She is called by ALL but her family black. And notice how everyone refers to obama as the "black candidate". Now explain to me how can someone be 50% black and 50% white yet always referred to as black. It shows how most people wish to ignore his roots and fear to point to anything in a colored man as white despite he is as much black as he is white. On that day everyone will enter their little private box and convince themselves that McCain is a better choice but silently hit the white button.
I dont believe that we as a country are that Rasist,its his views and his associations,white guilt will play a bigger role than the white only button.The evidence is all the white vote he is getting which includes my Red state..South Carolina, which at first glance might be considered a Rasist State.and anyhow Mc cain just might kick over before the election,might just be the icing on the cake for the RNC
the man looks black is why he is referred to as black. and i would not cross the street due to fear, as obama suggested most white people will do, such as his grandma.
on those forms i fill out from time to time it asks me to check a race. i never see the option mixed. its always black or white.
i do not want barrack hussein obama elected president. sketchy past, eery liberal.
the man looks black is why he is referred to as black. and i would not cross the street due to fear, as obama suggested most white people will do, such as his grandma.
He never said you would. He was talking about the general stereotypes of his grandmother's generation. He never said anything about 'most white people', even though you'd eat it up if he did.
on those forms i fill out from time to time it asks me to check a race. i never see the option mixed. its always black or white.
They don't list Jamaican/Japanese either, but they exist. These are both covered under the 'other' box.
i do not want barrack hussein obama elected president. sketchy past, eery liberal.
Tough.
Originally posted by Par-Salian
I agree with you that the candidate's choice for VP will make a big impact on this year's election. I think it is likely that Obama will choose John Edwards.
I'd be very happy with that. I think Obama really admires the work that Edwards has been doing since his VP run, and I'd much rather see Obama choose a candidate that he thinks he can get a lot accomplished with rather than just naming someone for polictical gain in a particular swing state. Of course, it's all for nothing if the democrats don't take back control of this country. It'd take more than one swing state for McCain to win though.
the man looks black is why he is referred to as black. and i would not cross the street due to fear, as obama suggested most white people will do, such as his grandma. on those forms i fill out from time to time it asks me to check a race. i never see the option mixed. its always black or white. i do not want barrack hussein obama elected president. sketchy past, eery liberal.
When did you last fill a form 1960?
Those forms you are talking about are called equal opportunity forms and there is always an option for white/african,asian etc and at end of it given a open option as others.
Ok so we up the tax to help people outside our counrty....ok that is good but taxes do not to be rasied more. We need to do more here before we go do that.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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Are you kidding me? Obama is going to wipe the floor with Mcain. No republican stands any chance whatsoever after Bush. Mcain is just going to be another Bush and people are sick of it.
I like to try and think of how the candidates will deal with the issues right now. Immigration, The war on terror, strengthening diplomatic ties, bringing jobs back to america, education, healthcare, and alternative fuels/transportation.
I really don't see Obama addressing these issues well. His plans would increase federal spending 200 billion. Thats not gonna come from thin air but from my pocket. I make near minimum wage, but even I know that the healthcoverage I will get from the government won't equate to the extra taxing I will pay for it. On education he seems to want to make it federal controlled, which actually could pan out to be a good idea, but federal controlled agencies usually come with a mountain of beaurocracy and overspending. All this while his kids attend private school and our kids go through public education. His solution to maintaining the peace in the middle-east is to pull out and hope things resolve themselves without US intervention, which I believe is a bad idea just looking back since 1945. I don't think we should pull out until a diplomatic solution is finally met. His reactions to other issues on the War on Terror seam to flip flop on what his views on Iraq are. Is he going to pre-emptively go to war with Pakistan, then just pull out hoping for no remifications? Also when you look at his views on education and healthcare. They are influenced by socialist ideas. So there is some merit to him being affected by Wrights preaching.
When you look at McCain, we know who he is and what he stands for. I actually trust him to handle the War on Terror well. He served in the military, and so has his 4 sons. I think when he says we will be in Iraq another 100 years is a fair assessment based on the previous amount of time we spent in other countries. On immigration, I would trust a man from Arizona more then someone from Michigan to do whats right. On healthcare he chose to side with the taxpayers, and on education he thinks the no child left behind act had good intentions but can use improving. He is also honest about the fact that he cannot force jobs back to america, some are simply lost. Ontop of this he is pro-active in the government on the economic issues. He was the forefigure on the stimulus checks, and he also wants to reduce gas prices. I am planning to vote for him in November.
Call me crazy but if we as a country can decide to elect George Dubuya Bush, for two consecutive terms and still praise him for his actions as it draws to a close then, I have to believe anything is possible. Just as sure as I don't believe Obama will win, for an obvious reason I dare not state; I also believe with things as screwed up as they are right now, maybe he has an ice cube's chance in hell of winning at the end. He won't lose because he isn't the better candidate.
As to the question of not knowing where a candidate stands - well call me crazy but it always "seems" we know where a candidate stands up until about 3-6 months after the election. I just don't think using the "flip-flopper" defense is justifiable anymore. Crazy as it may seem I want a candidate that doesn't see everything in black in and white. Maybe a candidate that can appreciate both sides of an argument and "change," his stance is what is needed. Not calling Obama a flip-flopper, just making a sly attempt at saying that maybe Kerry would have been a better choice as opposed to Bush, but I suppose that's the beauty of unprovable hindsight. People act like a person changing their stance is a sin that guarantees you a spot in the 7th circle of hell. Granted you may vote for a candidate based on his current stance, but I like to think that I'm voting for a total package, i.e. the rationale of a candidate; his or her ability to be formless, adaptable, and intelligent.
If a candidate changed his stance on something as cut n' dry as abortion and came on t.v. and explained his rationale behind his stance change I could honestly still support the candidate if I felt it was a logical/moral conclusion. The problem nowadays is that when a candidate chances something, they do their damnest to make it seem as if they didn't. Anyway, enough of my babbling.
No I don't think Obama will win but not because he isn't the best candidate. This country has a legacy of electing a certain type of candidate and I don't see that trend breaking anytime soon. No, I'm not playing the "race" card so much as the," this country is composed of lemming-like idiots" card.
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I just laugh whenever I see one of your posts. You're taken as seriously as a wart on a frog's ass.
Now, this would be a joke that I hope people would take seriously. I'm sure you might say 'that's just meant to be humorous', but that luxury isn't afforded to people who want to run for the highest office in the nation.
Here is a joke for you.
What will the country be called if Obama wins?
An Obamanation (abomination).
ha ha ha.
let me try to make a funny.
Obamas initials are B.H.O.
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the only thing Obama will change is your homepage.
ugh. nap time.
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knock-knock jokes = OK
jokes about bombing foreign nations = NOT OK (unless you're running on a platform of bombing foreign nations)
when it comes time for the General Election I sincerly feel that McCain will win. I didn't vote for McCain in the Primary. Nor did I vote for GWB in either election. But Obama is just plain wrong on a lot of issues. He is wrong on Healthcare in a big big way. When it comes down to it the fact that Obama wants to take a ton of money out of everyone's pockets is going to hurt him. Plus his inexperience is going to come up in a general election. He isn't going to be able to just spout "change" without any substance behind it. Remember McCain is about the most moderate of the candidates which gives him wide range support. He also is going to be remembered extremely fondly by older voters due to his war "hero" record (Of course he claims to not be a hero).
A huge thing that McCain has going for him as well is his past military experience. I loved on the Daily show when they were doing the MLK show and they were showing the candidates speaking about when they were younger and first heard the news about MLK being shot. How can you compete with McCain's answer of being in a POW camp. The man was tortured on a daily basis and had the ability to leave at anytime just by making a statement that the Vietcong wanted him to make. They wanted to release him since his Father was an Admiral. Any man that would choose to stay in those conditions and actually rally the troops that were with him has the Character necessary to be the next President.
His senate record shows years of being a moderate that will appeal extremely well to independants.
I think the major factor will be his choice for running mate. Due to McCain's age I think this will actually be a larger issue then it normally is. Plus I think after the amount of power Cheney has wielded as VP, people will start to take the VP a lot more seriously.
Honestly I think the only way Obama wins is if he picks someone extremely moderate as a VP. Hillary won't due well there. Maybe an Obama/Leiberman ticket but I really doubt Leiberman would run with Obama. But Obama is showing more and more that he isn't moderate. Plus there is no way that the Democrats are going to come together 100% after this hard fought primary battle. So Obama more then ever will need moderation to pull in the independant voters.
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knock-knock jokes = OK
Would it have been better if McCain said this then?Knock Knock?
Who's there?
Iamgonna...
Iamgonna who?
IamgonnabombbombbombIran.
That sounds like something a 6 year old would say while playing with toy soldiers. Not really a McCain statement so much a s a Bush statement. Oh wait, didn't McCain vote for Bush?
McCain has the following going against him:
His own party doesn't like him..
20% of voting republicans will stay home instead of voting. There are no abortion and anti-gay candidates, so most of these idiots will stay home during the GE (good riddance too).
He identifies with Bush too much, and supports one of the most unpopular wars ever.
He has a very nasty temper.
He is old.
He has flip-flopped so many times that he will make Kerry look consistent.
He doesn't have the support of the younger generation.
He has some skeletons in his closet that will make the Rev. Wright look tame.
When the religious right starts to press him on answers, he is going to look more like a democrat, and he won't be a contrast to Obama at all. Americans are going to vote for full or partial change this election. Given Bush's all-time-low approval rating, America will gamble with Obama's 'Change Express' and kick McCain to the curb.
1 We have more nukes then Russia.
2 We need to support Israel their a huge ally in the middle east.
3 All I hear from Obama supporters is that he means change, and when i ask what change he will bring they can't anwser.
4 Vietnam was proboly a much more hated war then the Iraq war is. I mean pretty sure our deaths are under 10k Vietnam hit 55k. The Democrats got us heavily involved and the Republicans pulled us out. Truman also put us into Korea too. Of course we also had democrats for WWI and WWII but we were attacked first and had very clear reasons to go ot war.
5 McCain is not Bush. If he was wouldnt the hardcore republicans support him?
6 When it comes to the GE and Obama has to say just what his change is I think McCain will gain the support of the mod Democrats.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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I agree with you that the candidate's choice for VP will make a big impact on this year's election. I think it is likely that Obama will choose John Edwards.
i heard some pundits strategizing about obamas vp choice. some say the governor of ohio to help win that state. others said pennsylvania.
but to answer the topics question.
yes, obama can beat mccain in a game of 1on1 basketball.
chips, dips chains & whips.
...i don't think so!!!
...the people will decide who is the right one
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I say what many refuse or don't want to say.Obama will lose because for a majority of people he is "off color".
As someone married to a half white/half black girl i see it everyday.She is called by ALL but her family black.
And notice how everyone refers to obama as the "black candidate".
Now explain to me how can someone be 50% black and 50% white yet always referred to as black.
It shows how most people wish to ignore his roots and fear to point to anything in a colored man as white despite he is as much black as he is white.
On that day everyone will enter their little private box and convince themselves that McCain is a better choice but silently hit the white button.
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the man looks black is why he is referred to as black. and i would not cross the street due to fear, as obama suggested most white people will do, such as his grandma.
on those forms i fill out from time to time it asks me to check a race. i never see the option mixed. its always black or white.
i do not want barrack hussein obama elected president. sketchy past, eery liberal.
chips, dips chains & whips.
Those forms you are talking about are called equal opportunity forms and there is always an option for white/african,asian etc and at end of it given a open option as others.
Ok so we up the tax to help people outside our counrty....ok that is good but taxes do not to be rasied more. We need to do more here before we go do that.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
Not if this holds up
www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp