Tasos claim they have gone throu some publishers, but none have come up with a good deal for Aventurine (because they are new and unheard of).
So last word i heard, Aventurine is to publish DF themselves, just as CCP does with EVE.
And seriously! Its 2008 now, why would a game developer need a publisher for? Just let people download it from a site. No retail and shit. Its the way of the future.
If it's feature complete and ready to come out within 7 months?
Hopefully we will find out the reasons in 7 months time, either some executives at software publisher company’s repeated the epic failure analogous with Decca Record’s decision to turn down the chance to record the Beatles.
Or they all refused to publish the game for obvious reasons that will be potentially revealed to us over the coming months.
Until then certain people can continue to entertain elaborate theories, explanations or justifications as to why no one appears to want to publish the most complex and revolutionary MMO ever developed that’s already feature complete and ready for release this year.
Maybe it has to do with DFO not giving full access to beta clients is the problem. They only want to let the publishers DEMO the product. It is easy to pull the wool over someone's eyes in a demo, but having full access to a game gives the publisher an idea of what they are getting into. If all of these publishers have been given full access to DFO and none of them have given them a good enough offer, maybe that should tell us all something.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
And seriously! Its 2008 now, why would a game developer need a publisher for? Just let people download it from a site. No retail and shit. Its the way of the future.
This is exactly what they plan on doing if you read into what has been said properly. How else would they be able to allow people to try it before they buy it. Its just common sense that after statements like this they plan on self-publishing with the game client available through download only. Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it. Darkfall will be one of two things......The greatest MMO ever produced or the biggest MMO failure ever produced. Their secrecy has cut the middle ground out of the picture I'm afraid. Only time will tell at this point.
Edit: In greatest I mean the largest feature set in any MMO to date not that it will topple WoW as that is something that may never be done.
Because Aventurine don't won't someone third partie to mess with their product. If you can avoid it its a big thing and an big advantage.
Whoever it is who can fill the position of a publisher he is not a developer but a merchant. For us gamers it should make no difference if a merchant more or less gets involved.
Plus we have a right for our game not being destroyed by lets say $OE , EA or someone else. $OE for example showed with an amazing record of x catastrophic launches that they incapable to publish a game.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
No one wanted to publish Dark and Light either forcing them to self publish. I wonder why?
take you wonders to the proper forums please. That would be the DnL forum then.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
And seriously! Its 2008 now, why would a game developer need a publisher for? Just let people download it from a site. No retail and shit. Its the way of the future.
This is exactly what they plan on doing if you read into what has been said properly. How else would they be able to allow people to try it before they buy it. Its just common sense that after statements like this they plan on self-publishing with the game client available through download only. Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it. Darkfall will be one of two things......The greatest MMO ever produced or the biggest MMO failure ever produced. Their secrecy has cut the middle ground out of the picture I'm afraid. Only time will tell at this point.
Edit: In greatest I mean the largest feature set in any MMO to date not that it will topple WoW as that is something that may never be done.
Bren
I don't know if I agree with this. It cost a company less than $3 per box to put the box on the store shelves. It cost Fileplanet $3.05 for each of the 50,000 beta key winners for AoC. For a game 2x bigger than any game ever, we are looking at 20-30gig of download. I just don't see how they save money going d2d. Bandwidth isn't free.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Originally posted by Brenelael Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it.
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
Originally posted by Brenelael Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it.
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.
Aventurine was clear: they wanted outside publishers. If they are going to self-publish, then they are settling for something other than their first choice.
EDIT: as to the OP's question, there are some reasonable possibilities. 1)Aventurine would not relinquish enough control of the game to the publisher, 2)Aventurine wanted to keep a bigger piece of the pie than the publisher was willing to offer, 3)Publishers did not like what they were shown and were not interested.
I would think that there are several reasons to why they do not have a publisher...
1) Their PR is a joke. No game conventions, no advertising, nothing. Most publishers probably don't even know them.
2) The game is different. It is a huge risk to go off and make a game like Darkfall, and most publishers are not willing to put their money on the line.
__________________________________________________ In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
Having a publisher that meets Aventurines criteria is important to them so they are in a position to pick and choose. As stated by Tasos until a suitable partner meeting the right criteria comes along they will self publish. If you don't want to believe the voice of the developers then thats up to you.
If you have no faith in what the developers say then fair enough but the topic and question holds no water based on the words of the developers which can be read in black and white.
Start a positive thread about DF if you can I mean thats why you are here right ? To enjoy the concept
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
And seriously! Its 2008 now, why would a game developer need a publisher for? Just let people download it from a site. No retail and shit. Its the way of the future.
This is exactly what they plan on doing if you read into what has been said properly. How else would they be able to allow people to try it before they buy it. Its just common sense that after statements like this they plan on self-publishing with the game client available through download only. Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it. Darkfall will be one of two things......The greatest MMO ever produced or the biggest MMO failure ever produced. Their secrecy has cut the middle ground out of the picture I'm afraid. Only time will tell at this point.
Edit: In greatest I mean the largest feature set in any MMO to date not that it will topple WoW as that is something that may never be done.
Bren
I don't know if I agree with this. It cost a company less than $3 per box to put the box on the store shelves. It cost Fileplanet $3.05 for each of the 50,000 beta key winners for AoC. For a game 2x bigger than any game ever, we are looking at 20-30gig of download. I just don't see how they save money going d2d. Bandwidth isn't free.
Well there are other ways to do it even through fileplanet. And the download size could be the same as AoC or maybe even smaller. Without all the sexy super high end graphics that AoC has the textures and models will take up a lot less space. Also AoC is DX 9 and DX 10 compatible so a lot of the graphical elements are in there twice, Darkfall is only DX 9 which will cut the file size down some more. There are a lot of variables that effect download file size your not thinking of. Darkfall's final archived size could very well be smaller than AoC's.
Originally posted by Brenelael Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it.
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.
Bren
F2P games and monthly subscription MMOs (which Darkfall is) are completely different and I have no idea why you're comparing them.
Originally posted by Isane Having a publisher that meets Aventurines criteria is important to them so they are in a position to pick and choose. As stated by Tasos until a suitable partner meeting the right criteria comes along they will self publish. If you don't want to believe the voice of the developers then thats up to you.
That's like saying a person with:
- ZERO work experience (Aventurine has zero MMO experience)
- An empty resume (Aventurine developed zero games of other genre)
- Wears a dirty shirt and ripped jeans to interviews (Look at their website)
is in a position to pick and choose employers. This guy is unemployeed now because he's waiting for the right job with the right salary and benefits to come to his laps.
Originally posted by Isane Having a publisher that meets Aventurines criteria is important to them so they are in a position to pick and choose. As stated by Tasos until a suitable partner meeting the right criteria comes along they will self publish. If you don't want to believe the voice of the developers then thats up to you.
That's like saying a person with:
- ZERO work experience (Aventurine has zero MMO experience)
- An empty resume (Aventurine developed zero games of other genre)
- Wears a dirty shirt and ripped jeans to interviews (Look at their website)
is in a position to pick and choose employers. This guy is unemployeed now because he's waiting for the right job with the right salary and benefits to come to his laps.
Am I the only one who sees the hilarity in this?
Yes you are Hillarious, and you seem to be in capable of accepting the only evidence available good luck to you.
All your'e points are off topic and contain broken logic yes so funny and a fool.
(You are also a poor troll alt please try to stay on topic, quick go create another account)
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Originally posted by Brenelael Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it.
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.
Bren
F2P games and monthly subscription MMOs (which Darkfall is) are completely different and I have no idea why you're comparing them.
I'm not comparing the two types directly just how they are marketed. F2P games are 99% download only and plenty of people find them without a huge amount of PR hype or huge marketing campaigns. It works just fine for them and IS exactly what Darkfall is proposing if they self-publish and go with a D2D model. It does work if the game in question is worth downloading for the gamer. F2P games main selling point is they are free, Darkfall's will be that it is a super fabulous MMO *if* its all they claim it will be. Also if they have a smooth launch (a HUGE plus in this industry) and get some paying subscribers behind them the PR and marketing could come later post-launch when they have a few more funds to spare. Only time will tell as we don't even know for sure what the game is like at this point in time. It could be a huge disaster for all we know.
Originally posted by Brenelael Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it.
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.
Bren
F2P games and monthly subscription MMOs (which Darkfall is) are completely different and I have no idea why you're comparing them.
I'm not comparing the two types directly just how they are marketed. F2P games are 99% download only and plenty of people find them without a huge amount of PR hype or huge marketing campaigns. It works just fine for them and IS exactly what Darkfall is proposing if they self-publish and go with a D2D model. It does work if the game in question is worth downloading for the gamer. F2P games main selling point is they are free, Darkfall's will be that it is a super fabulous MMO *if* its all they claim it will be. Also if they have a smooth launch (a HUGE plus in this industry) and get some paying subscribers behing them the PR and marketing could come later post-launch when they have a few more funds to spare. Only time will tell as we don't even know for sure what the game is like at this point in time. It could be a huge disaster for all we know.
Bren
You talk sense Bren .... Marketing helps a lot but also costs, with the current state of the MMO market thoug anything half decent will be snapped up via word of mouth so in this case what you say is accurate. This is also a sandbox which strengthens your'e argument even more.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
im glad some people are actully seeing that they may be telling the truth. i honestly dont see them surviving if they delay again : ). why would they make the same mistake twice O_O.
By the way mmorpg.com has darkfall put for 2008 release
Originally posted by killerxion im glad some people are actully seeing that they may be telling the truth. i honestly dont see them surviving if they delay again : ). why would they make the same mistake twice O_O. By the way mmorpg.com has darkfall put for 2008 release
im honestly surprised that they have survived all these years..as for what it says on MMORPG.com for a release..if i remember exactly the devs have to contact the site to have any changes made OR the staff sees a press release on a estimated date. could be wrong tho.
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Tasos claim they have gone throu some publishers, but none have come up with a good deal for Aventurine (because they are new and unheard of).
So last word i heard, Aventurine is to publish DF themselves, just as CCP does with EVE.
And seriously! Its 2008 now, why would a game developer need a publisher for? Just let people download it from a site. No retail and shit. Its the way of the future.
Hopefully we will find out the reasons in 7 months time, either some executives at software publisher company’s repeated the epic failure analogous with Decca Record’s decision to turn down the chance to record the Beatles.
Or they all refused to publish the game for obvious reasons that will be potentially revealed to us over the coming months.
Until then certain people can continue to entertain elaborate theories, explanations or justifications as to why no one appears to want to publish the most complex and revolutionary MMO ever developed that’s already feature complete and ready for release this year.
Maybe it has to do with DFO not giving full access to beta clients is the problem. They only want to let the publishers DEMO the product. It is easy to pull the wool over someone's eyes in a demo, but having full access to a game gives the publisher an idea of what they are getting into. If all of these publishers have been given full access to DFO and none of them have given them a good enough offer, maybe that should tell us all something.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
I prefer they didn't have a big name publisher -- means they won't be compelled to 'sell out'.
This is exactly what they plan on doing if you read into what has been said properly. How else would they be able to allow people to try it before they buy it. Its just common sense that after statements like this they plan on self-publishing with the game client available through download only. Not to mention its also good business as this way Aventurine can also keep 100% of the profit and not have to pay a "middle man" for a service they have stated over the last few months they have no need of (PR and Marketing). *IF* Darkfall is all they have claimed it will be it will sell on it's own without it. Darkfall will be one of two things......The greatest MMO ever produced or the biggest MMO failure ever produced. Their secrecy has cut the middle ground out of the picture I'm afraid. Only time will tell at this point.Edit: In greatest I mean the largest feature set in any MMO to date not that it will topple WoW as that is something that may never be done.
Bren
while(horse==dead)
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Because Aventurine don't won't someone third partie to mess with their product. If you can avoid it its a big thing and an big advantage.
Whoever it is who can fill the position of a publisher he is not a developer but a merchant. For us gamers it should make no difference if a merchant more or less gets involved.
Plus we have a right for our game not being destroyed by lets say $OE , EA or someone else. $OE for example showed with an amazing record of x catastrophic launches that they incapable to publish a game.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
No one wanted to publish Dark and Light either forcing them to self publish.
I wonder why?
take you wonders to the proper forums please. That would be the DnL forum then.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I'm going to say that's because publishers who make decisions regarding lots of money aren't as gullible and optimistic as the fans.
Edit: In greatest I mean the largest feature set in any MMO to date not that it will topple WoW as that is something that may never be done.
Bren
I don't know if I agree with this. It cost a company less than $3 per box to put the box on the store shelves. It cost Fileplanet $3.05 for each of the 50,000 beta key winners for AoC. For a game 2x bigger than any game ever, we are looking at 20-30gig of download. I just don't see how they save money going d2d. Bandwidth isn't free.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
Personally, i would like a box in my room aswell along with a nifty map. But hey, that's just me
Putting out boxes on the shelves in shops are a wise decision which i hope they will do (if it's ever released)
The speed of the mole and the power of steel is my weapon
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.Bren
while(horse==dead)
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beat();
}
Aventurine was clear: they wanted outside publishers. If they are going to self-publish, then they are settling for something other than their first choice.
EDIT: as to the OP's question, there are some reasonable possibilities. 1)Aventurine would not relinquish enough control of the game to the publisher, 2)Aventurine wanted to keep a bigger piece of the pie than the publisher was willing to offer, 3)Publishers did not like what they were shown and were not interested.
I would think that there are several reasons to why they do not have a publisher...
1) Their PR is a joke. No game conventions, no advertising, nothing. Most publishers probably don't even know them.
2) The game is different. It is a huge risk to go off and make a game like Darkfall, and most publishers are not willing to put their money on the line.
__________________________________________________
In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08 - Rest In Peace; you will not be forgotten
To the OP: and the OPS alt
Who says no one wants to publish the game ?
Having a publisher that meets Aventurines criteria is important to them so they are in a position to pick and choose. As stated by Tasos until a suitable partner meeting the right criteria comes along they will self publish. If you don't want to believe the voice of the developers then thats up to you.
If you have no faith in what the developers say then fair enough but the topic and question holds no water based on the words of the developers which can be read in black and white.
Start a positive thread about DF if you can I mean thats why you are here right ? To enjoy the concept
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Edit: In greatest I mean the largest feature set in any MMO to date not that it will topple WoW as that is something that may never be done.
Bren
I don't know if I agree with this. It cost a company less than $3 per box to put the box on the store shelves. It cost Fileplanet $3.05 for each of the 50,000 beta key winners for AoC. For a game 2x bigger than any game ever, we are looking at 20-30gig of download. I just don't see how they save money going d2d. Bandwidth isn't free.
Well there are other ways to do it even through fileplanet. And the download size could be the same as AoC or maybe even smaller. Without all the sexy super high end graphics that AoC has the textures and models will take up a lot less space. Also AoC is DX 9 and DX 10 compatible so a lot of the graphical elements are in there twice, Darkfall is only DX 9 which will cut the file size down some more. There are a lot of variables that effect download file size your not thinking of. Darkfall's final archived size could very well be smaller than AoC's.Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.Bren
F2P games and monthly subscription MMOs (which Darkfall is) are completely different and I have no idea why you're comparing them.
That's like saying a person with:
- ZERO work experience (Aventurine has zero MMO experience)
- An empty resume (Aventurine developed zero games of other genre)
- Wears a dirty shirt and ripped jeans to interviews (Look at their website)
is in a position to pick and choose employers. This guy is unemployeed now because he's waiting for the right job with the right salary and benefits to come to his laps.
Am I the only one who sees the hilarity in this?
That's like saying a person with:
- ZERO work experience (Aventurine has zero MMO experience)
- An empty resume (Aventurine developed zero games of other genre)
- Wears a dirty shirt and ripped jeans to interviews (Look at their website)
is in a position to pick and choose employers. This guy is unemployeed now because he's waiting for the right job with the right salary and benefits to come to his laps.
Am I the only one who sees the hilarity in this?
Yes you are Hillarious, and you seem to be in capable of accepting the only evidence available good luck to you.
All your'e points are off topic and contain broken logic yes so funny and a fool.
(You are also a poor troll alt please try to stay on topic, quick go create another account)
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.Bren
F2P games and monthly subscription MMOs (which Darkfall is) are completely different and I have no idea why you're comparing them.
I'm not comparing the two types directly just how they are marketed. F2P games are 99% download only and plenty of people find them without a huge amount of PR hype or huge marketing campaigns. It works just fine for them and IS exactly what Darkfall is proposing if they self-publish and go with a D2D model. It does work if the game in question is worth downloading for the gamer. F2P games main selling point is they are free, Darkfall's will be that it is a super fabulous MMO *if* its all they claim it will be. Also if they have a smooth launch (a HUGE plus in this industry) and get some paying subscribers behind them the PR and marketing could come later post-launch when they have a few more funds to spare. Only time will tell as we don't even know for sure what the game is like at this point in time. It could be a huge disaster for all we know.
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
No MMO will ever sell itself without proper PR and marketing. That is naive and borderline ignorant.
That's a weird notion considering the F2P market has been doing it for years now. Some of those games have numbers rivaling WoW. Albeit they may not all be paying customers but that isn't the point is it. They all found the games and downloaded them without huge PR and Marketing campaigns. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing if something is worth talking about. Whether Darkfall will warrant this type of discussion after it releases remains to be seen.Bren
F2P games and monthly subscription MMOs (which Darkfall is) are completely different and I have no idea why you're comparing them.
I'm not comparing the two types directly just how they are marketed. F2P games are 99% download only and plenty of people find them without a huge amount of PR hype or huge marketing campaigns. It works just fine for them and IS exactly what Darkfall is proposing if they self-publish and go with a D2D model. It does work if the game in question is worth downloading for the gamer. F2P games main selling point is they are free, Darkfall's will be that it is a super fabulous MMO *if* its all they claim it will be. Also if they have a smooth launch (a HUGE plus in this industry) and get some paying subscribers behing them the PR and marketing could come later post-launch when they have a few more funds to spare. Only time will tell as we don't even know for sure what the game is like at this point in time. It could be a huge disaster for all we know.
Bren
You talk sense Bren .... Marketing helps a lot but also costs, with the current state of the MMO market thoug anything half decent will be snapped up via word of mouth so in this case what you say is accurate. This is also a sandbox which strengthens your'e argument even more.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
im glad some people are actully seeing that they may be telling the truth. i honestly dont see them surviving if they delay again : ). why would they make the same mistake twice O_O.
By the way mmorpg.com has darkfall put for 2008 release
im honestly surprised that they have survived all these years..as for what it says on MMORPG.com for a release..if i remember exactly the devs have to contact the site to have any changes made OR the staff sees a press release on a estimated date. could be wrong tho.
I think it's because there isn't actually anything to publish.