I don't think Warhammer needs giant splashes of red Pixels to make it fun. They may be doing teen to make it more accessable but Games Workshop obviously agreed to it. If you think about it making a game accessable is an incredibly smart move especially for MMOs. It garuentees that new blood new customers and fans can be brought into the world that Games Workshop created. They can't make money off us old folks forever branching out to attract new players for MMOs & TT games like Warhammer is incredibly smart.
Maybe its just me but to be honest you can have mild swearing, mild blood and that makes a game pretty gritty regardless of what anyone thinks. It'd be obsessive gore and sexual content that'd make the game M rated (which doesn't mean its a mature audience..anyone that thinks Mature means adult mentality is completely in need of a head check). You don't need either of those elements to make a game fun. Sure they might add some eye candy entertainment for some but for others its just like 'whatever'. People play games to have fun...and there are a select few that things games need all the extras to make them fun...its like gamers have lost sight of the meaning of games. When I started playing games with the Atari 2600 I didn't need gore or sexual content to make the games fun. They were just fun as they were in their rasterized graphics. Its fun to see more graphics definitly but since when did we need gore and sexual content to make things fun. Even the original masters of horror movies only used that graphical content as a political & social messages....games that have it are NOT doing it as political and social messages there really is no need. It fits for some games..thats for sure....ones based on fear its perfect for...but an MMO...honestly...*rolls eyes* EQ1 didn't need it..UO didn't need it...DAoC didn't need it...so why do other games need it except to make people feel as if they're getting a game ment for only adults (psh).
As long as there's no nudity or seriously graphic content its going to get a teen rating. That doesn't make it happy sunshine land. Games don't need the M label to be good and gritty.
I'd rather have a game that runs and looks good enough to keep me interested then a game but if I have to turn off blood splatters and body parts flying just say I can keep up with the hectic gameplay it just well sort of seems like a waste of Development time.
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AoC Siege battles ARE instanced. Feel free to post your information proving to me that they are not.
By all means
Athelan, in The Border Kingdoms
The keep is not in an instance, I dont want to remove the keeps from the world making them feel "fake" or artificial.
The design of the border kingdoms should hopefully make different terrains and natural defenses to allow for ambushes and choke points.
Theres only been dozens of posts by developers saying it isn't. Anyone who has read the AoC official forum Dev Tracker with any kind of attention can tell you this.
That particular quote strait from the mouth of Athelan is taken directly from the forums courtesy of Bymitra.com
Now kindly post your proof that they are instanced. I'm interested to see what you come up with. I do hope it's more then a 'because I just know.'
Fion's right...they're not a private instance..The Borderlands is just a seperate Zone. People need to realize the difference..Zone = seperated region you have to load into....Instance = private region you have to load into and only you or your group can enter.
Seriously guys lets try and keep the AoC talk here down..its gotten out of hand..I understand some of you are frustrated but honestly you just make yourselves and the WAR boards look bad by posting about things you have no idea about.
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A unique copy of a dungeon/area created when you and your group enter that dungeon/area. Only you and your group will be in your copy of the dungeon. Another group that enters the same area will enter their own copy of the dungeon if it is a single grouped instance. Other instances may allow groups to play versus each other in a PvP form. An instance like this will be found in the Border Kingdoms in Age of Conan.
After reading the above, we can see that city sieges actually fit into BOTH of these categories.
Instancing
A unique copy of a dungeon/area created when you and your group enter that dungeon/area.
City sieges are unique areas that are created when you and your group (the defenders or attackers) enter that area.
Only you and your group will be in your copy of the dungeon.
You and your group/guild, attackers or defenders, will be the only ones in the siege. Therefore it is unique!
Another group that enters the same area will enter their own copy of the dungeon if it is a single grouped instance.
Moving on, seeing that there will be no more than the original 48 defenders or attackers.
Other instances may allow groups to play versus each other in a PvP form.
City sieges for instance.
An instance like this will be found in the Border Kingdoms in Age of Conan.
It seems the Border Kingdoms are instanced as well.
Zoning
An area of the game separated by loading from one point to the next.
A city siege is an area of the game, and in AoC's case most definately separated by loading.
Due to many players dislikes regarding instancing, it is a given that Funcom will toss some more fancy wording our way. In order to neutralize the possibility that they could lose players with a term like Instanced tacked onto thier City Sieges, they have naturally looked to finding a more welcoming term. Zoning is the easy way out on this one because city sieges are by AoC definition zones, but unfortunately for AoC city sieges are also instances. So... we are actually both correct.
How about bloated cattle corpses with buzzing flies? Stuff like: Pukey open guts? Yes I assume those little maggot-guys came out of the big guy's stomach.
Isn't nurgle fun? I'm sure there'll be enough gore and gross stuff to get it a nice M rating.
Nurgle is a very open and emotional god, he will spill his guts to pretty much anyone.
Originally posted by ArcheusCross I would have to agree. You are right about the movie and warhammer in general. Honestly I don't think a "M" rating would change the subcriptions very much. But it would make a lot of us warhammer fans happy if they added gore.. and im not talking decapatations... jut more blood. And if you really think about it, it is quite doable.... heck they listened to the customers when we asked them to make it more rvr...whos to say they wouldn't listen to us if we ask them to add a bit of gore.. or at least give the M players an option... or something. either way i think if someone in thier beta forums (someone around here that had access to it) would post this topic in it and get followers, it would happen. heres to hoping it does.
Sorry to backtrack in this thread a bit... cuz I REALLY LOVE THOSE SCREENSHOTS.. but this post just exemplifes how out of touch some posters are when thinking about the overall marketing of a game...
The difference between an M and T rating is HUGE for potential customers.. I think the aforementioned 25% mark is conservative. The comment about attracting female players (and yes WoW did us a great service there) is also right on.
Throw in that your biggest competitor's selling points ARE BLOOD< GORE< NUDITY.. why would you take that head on? especially with the huge available market of tiring WoW players...
We all have an idyllic MMORPG in our head, and no real game is going to come close to matching mine.. don't know about yours. So sure a little whining about the lack of gore and darkness is assumed.. but please give up thse posts like you are some marketing guru that can't understand obviously 'flawed' decisions.
Dark humor >> Mindless Gore in any game/genre for me.. handsdown.
In the last part of Lord of the Rings movie, when they where all fighting on
the battlefield, I had a constant feeling about something being wrong.
There was something lacking in the fighting scenes. Then i realized
what it was. There is no blood, dirt, gore. It was the element missing
that made the huge battle look unrealistic. If you seen the opening
scene of "Save Private Ryan", you know what I mean. Now after looking on the vids from WAR, I get the same feeling about
unrealistic battle. The warhammer universe is about war, dirt, blood, darkness etc.
Instead of using loads of firework effect that makes the
battlefield look like a lightshow, Mythic should use more blood,
dirt, darkness and overall make it feel more voilent. Sure, the nice light effects should be there, but only used i.e.
when doing critical hits. I want the real Warhammer feeling, not a trade off cause EA wants to appeal kids.
We would all like more gore but its not going to happen. Warhammer is a dark gritty sense of humor world. Do you really think that AOC wont attract the kids just as much as WAR?
Firework display or not, WAR subs will only be second to WOW. WAR gameplay is more akin to DAOC not WOW.
You will still play so whats the point of beating yourself up about flashing spells.
I think the gameplay will be more demanding than AOC or any other mmorpg out their.
You will still play so whats the point of beating yourself up about flashing spells.
I'm a Warhammer fan. I expect a WH licensed game to feel, look and follow the atmosphere of the Warhammer universe.
When I here things like gankers turn into chickens, blood, gore, dirt etc removed I start to wonder why in earth Mythic ever licensed to use stuff from Warhammer.
Frankly. Characters in WAR (taken from the Warhammer universe) looks lame and cartoonized the way Mythic has done it right now.
It's not about blood, gore etc. It's the feeling of a dirty WAR . That's what really bothers me. If I want
to see pretty flashing colors, I look at a christmas tree.
How about bloated cattle corpses with buzzing flies? Stuff like: Pukey open guts? Yes I assume those little maggot-guys came out of the big guy's stomach.
Isn't nurgle fun? I'm sure there'll be enough gore and gross stuff to get it a nice M rating.
The abominations in WoW have their guts hanging out and that game is still rated T. Guts and gross stuff alone are not enough to warrant an M rated game. I think that it would have to be in the context of violence, for example you sliceing open your enemy's stomach so that their guts come spilling out. As for corpses WoW has an entire race that is pretty much just a buch of walking corpses and as I pointed out they are rated T.
An M rating is just too restrictive for most MMOs. I just think it is going to kick up to much controversy for the games own good. MMOs already have the whole obsessive/addictive stigma associated with them. You throw in a gorefest and I just think its going to cause problems.
You will still play so whats the point of beating yourself up about flashing spells.
I'm a Warhammer fan. I expect a WH licensed game to feel, look and follow the atmosphere of the Warhammer universe.
When I here things like gankers turn into chickens, blood, gore, dirt etc removed I start to wonder why in earth Mythic ever licensed to use stuff from Warhammer.
Frankly. Characters in WAR (taken from the Warhammer universe) looks lame and cartoonized the way Mythic has done it right now.
It's not about blood, gore etc. It's the feeling of a dirty WAR . That's what really bothers me. If I want
to see pretty flashing colors, I look at a christmas tree.
You may be right but again..YOU will still play it..correct?
I really dont understand people..they ask for everything and a bag of chips..and when devs try to give it to them they complain because Crap Doesn't frigging work. I wnat a good RvR game...GUTS and body parts flying aren't Necessary to make a good PvP game. Its just extra Lag worthy content that I'm quite happy to do without.
Face it Crusher you can't have your cake and eat it too. You either like the game's mechanics and find it fun or you don't but the constant complaint over T vs M is just retarded. M doesn't make a game anymore fun than a Teen rated game. Games are either fun or their not all Ratings aside.
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You may be right but again..YOU will still play it..correct?
If It's a "real" Warhammer game at release, no doubt. If not .... no.
Within the WAR fanboy community there are to camps. The DAOC lovers, and the Warhammer lovers. I'm expecting a WH game, the other side DAOC 2.
Wrong, very wrong! DAoC lovers are one, Warhammer fans are another, and PvP fans are another. I have never played DAOC but I have been informed about it. I have never read or played anything related to Warhammer either. I think WAR will be the next big game simply but the information that Mythic provides about game mechanics. It looks to make for a FUN PvP game.
Anyone that thinks gore makes or breaks the game has serious issues that I can't even begin to describe. Real PvPers look for game mechanics and balance. I have never once heard "I wish stabbing a Nelf in the face would cover me in blood" but I have heard "XXXXX Mechanic sucks! XXXXX is to overpowered". If you really want to see what mechanics can do to a game go check out SWG.
So, while a bunch of 14 years olds are giggling to themselves over some pixelated boobs in AoC, I will be there at the gates of Altdorf, staring down the howling, bloodthirsty Chaos horde with hammer in hand and a prayer to Sigmar upon my lips. Ready to lay down my life for the Empire.
So, while a bunch of 14 years olds are giggling to themselves over some pixelated boobs in AoC, I will be there at the gates of Altdorf, staring down the howling, bloodthirsty Chaos horde with hammer in hand and a prayer to Sigmar upon my lips. Ready to lay down my life for the Empire.
And a bunch of 14 year olds behind you giggling at the scantilly clad witch elves
rofl nice Pheace .... *shudders in the horror* thats the one thing I hate about elves being in the game lolol you know 90% of them will be big giggling old men or teenage boys
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Anyone that thinks gore makes or breaks the game has serious issues that I can't even begin to describe. Real PvPers look for game mechanics and balance. I have never once heard "I wish stabbing a Nelf in the face would cover me in blood" but I have heard "XXXXX Mechanic sucks! XXXXX is to overpowered". If you really want to see what mechanics can do to a game go check out SWG.
Some of us are older then 14. We want a MMO PvP Warhammer game, not a game adapted for children. EA/Mythic is making a huge mistake trying to flirt with the WOW audience. Age of Conan had the balls to make something mature, and from what I heard It paid out pretty well.
If Mythic stay on the current track, they fight over subscribers will be between WOW and WAR, not WAR and AOC. And considering the size of Blizzards wallet, there is no doubt who will loose.
Yeah... agreed... since most game mechanics will be the same, lokks are very similar with polished up graphics... I wonder when WoW will overhaul it's graphic engine the way EVE did and AO will.
A fight between WoW and WAR would be interesting to watch since both "teams" will be motivated to geive their best to get to the paying customer... but i think WAR will have a hard time challenging the 11.000.000-titan World of Warcraft.
Sadly. A darker design would have been my favourite too.
To be honest. I think Mythic orginally planned to make a real Warhammer game. But the greedy people at EA wanted to make a WOW alternative (to maximize profits) instead of making a unique game.
To be honest. I think Mythic orginally planned to make a real Warhammer game. But the greedy people at EA wanted to make a WOW alternative (to maximize profits) instead of making a unique game.
It will back fire
I'd say it is exactly the opposite.
If EA were working with someone else THEN it would probably become a level-and-gear based linear grindfest that we've come to love and cherish so much these past years...
Thankfully Mythic designed their core game around something else and imo EA had no import on that. The only serious decision that was taken from Mythic (that I'm aware of) is that Games Workshop (and not EA) insisted on Teen rating - which makes some kind of sense if you consider that Warhammer TT games are aimed squarely at teen age group - at least as the natural age to first take up the hobby.
IMO it is Mythic who is calling the shots in the most important part of the game - core game design. It seems to me that EA learned from its mistakes (sadly not many other publishers followed suit) and realized that it is better for their profits to leave crucial game design decisions to people who are actually qualified for that (i.e. devs) rather than some enthusiastic suits with degrees in economics.
Meh, the blood, dirt and violence is superficial fluff from my perspective and no more useful to game play than character customization or good crafting.
Plenty of entertaining combat can occur w/o the graphical violence (check out the latest Narnia movie for a great example of this) and I never had an issue with it in DAOC.
For all you guys talking about how violent the WAR world is...remember, its based off a game that features handpainted minatures as its core feature... really, how gritty can it really be?
Sure, saving Private Ryan was gritty, because that was based on real people dying out there... this is a fantasy world, don't really care if you can dismember an orc... I'm not really feeling the effect.
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Anyone that thinks gore makes or breaks the game has serious issues that I can't even begin to describe. Real PvPers look for game mechanics and balance. I have never once heard "I wish stabbing a Nelf in the face would cover me in blood" but I have heard "XXXXX Mechanic sucks! XXXXX is to overpowered". If you really want to see what mechanics can do to a game go check out SWG.
Some of us are older then 14. We want a MMO PvP Warhammer game, not a game adapted for children. EA/Mythic is making a huge mistake trying to flirt with the WOW audience. Age of Conan had the balls to make something mature, and from what I heard It paid out pretty well.
If Mythic stay on the current track, they fight over subscribers will be between WOW and WAR, not WAR and AOC. And considering the size of Blizzards wallet, there is no doubt who will loose.
First of all, SWG is total trash now. Secondly i personally don't care about violence at all, if you corelate violence with maturity you've obviously got a 4th grade oklahoma education. It is, however; slightly more satisfying when you can see the effects of your attack in a more visceral way. but at the end of the day if the mechanics arent there then it means nothing.
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rofl nice Pheace .... *shudders in the horror* thats the one thing I hate about elves being in the game lolol you know 90% of them will be big giggling old men or teenage boys
Atleast they won't have a dance emote like WoW's.
Maybe a little Mythic jig like the dance from DAoC, which was not very seductive.
Sure, saving Private Ryan was gritty, because that was based on real people dying out there... this is a fantasy world, don't really care if you can dismember an orc... I'm not really feeling the effect.
Saving Private Ryan had never been any success if not due to the extreme realism and the feeling of how brutal War is. Imagine the same movie, but as "T" - rated.
WARs own CGI trailer is dark, brutal and raw. It catches the spirit of Warhammer. Mythic should have kept that spirit / feeling through out the game. Flirt with the adult, and the real Warhammer fans.
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I don't think Warhammer needs giant splashes of red Pixels to make it fun. They may be doing teen to make it more accessable but Games Workshop obviously agreed to it. If you think about it making a game accessable is an incredibly smart move especially for MMOs. It garuentees that new blood new customers and fans can be brought into the world that Games Workshop created. They can't make money off us old folks forever branching out to attract new players for MMOs & TT games like Warhammer is incredibly smart.
Maybe its just me but to be honest you can have mild swearing, mild blood and that makes a game pretty gritty regardless of what anyone thinks. It'd be obsessive gore and sexual content that'd make the game M rated (which doesn't mean its a mature audience..anyone that thinks Mature means adult mentality is completely in need of a head check). You don't need either of those elements to make a game fun. Sure they might add some eye candy entertainment for some but for others its just like 'whatever'. People play games to have fun...and there are a select few that things games need all the extras to make them fun...its like gamers have lost sight of the meaning of games. When I started playing games with the Atari 2600 I didn't need gore or sexual content to make the games fun. They were just fun as they were in their rasterized graphics. Its fun to see more graphics definitly but since when did we need gore and sexual content to make things fun. Even the original masters of horror movies only used that graphical content as a political & social messages....games that have it are NOT doing it as political and social messages there really is no need. It fits for some games..thats for sure....ones based on fear its perfect for...but an MMO...honestly...*rolls eyes* EQ1 didn't need it..UO didn't need it...DAoC didn't need it...so why do other games need it except to make people feel as if they're getting a game ment for only adults (psh).
As long as there's no nudity or seriously graphic content its going to get a teen rating. That doesn't make it happy sunshine land. Games don't need the M label to be good and gritty.
I'd rather have a game that runs and looks good enough to keep me interested then a game but if I have to turn off blood splatters and body parts flying just say I can keep up with the hectic gameplay it just well sort of seems like a waste of Development time.
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By all means
Athelan, in The Border Kingdoms
The keep is not in an instance, I dont want to remove the keeps from the world making them feel "fake" or artificial.
The design of the border kingdoms should hopefully make different terrains and natural defenses to allow for ambushes and choke points.
Theres only been dozens of posts by developers saying it isn't. Anyone who has read the AoC official forum Dev Tracker with any kind of attention can tell you this.
That particular quote strait from the mouth of Athelan is taken directly from the forums courtesy of Bymitra.com
Now kindly post your proof that they are instanced. I'm interested to see what you come up with. I do hope it's more then a 'because I just know.'
Fion's right...they're not a private instance..The Borderlands is just a seperate Zone. People need to realize the difference..Zone = seperated region you have to load into....Instance = private region you have to load into and only you or your group can enter.
Seriously guys lets try and keep the AoC talk here down..its gotten out of hand..I understand some of you are frustrated but honestly you just make yourselves and the WAR boards look bad by posting about things you have no idea about.
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How about bloated cattle corpses with buzzing flies?
Stuff like:
Pukey open guts?
Yes I assume those little maggot-guys came out of the big guy's stomach.
Isn't nurgle fun?
I'm sure there'll be enough gore and gross stuff to get it a nice M rating.
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Lets look at the definition from AoCWiki and we will go from there.
Zone
An area of the game separated by loading from one point to the next.
http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Game_Terms/Z
Instance
A unique copy of a dungeon/area created when you and your group enter that dungeon/area. Only you and your group will be in your copy of the dungeon. Another group that enters the same area will enter their own copy of the dungeon if it is a single grouped instance. Other instances may allow groups to play versus each other in a PvP form. An instance like this will be found in the Border Kingdoms in Age of Conan.
http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Instance
After reading the above, we can see that city sieges actually fit into BOTH of these categories.
Instancing
A unique copy of a dungeon/area created when you and your group enter that dungeon/area.
City sieges are unique areas that are created when you and your group (the defenders or attackers) enter that area.
Only you and your group will be in your copy of the dungeon.
You and your group/guild, attackers or defenders, will be the only ones in the siege. Therefore it is unique!
Another group that enters the same area will enter their own copy of the dungeon if it is a single grouped instance.
Moving on, seeing that there will be no more than the original 48 defenders or attackers.
Other instances may allow groups to play versus each other in a PvP form.
City sieges for instance.
An instance like this will be found in the Border Kingdoms in Age of Conan.
It seems the Border Kingdoms are instanced as well.
Zoning
An area of the game separated by loading from one point to the next.
A city siege is an area of the game, and in AoC's case most definately separated by loading.
Due to many players dislikes regarding instancing, it is a given that Funcom will toss some more fancy wording our way. In order to neutralize the possibility that they could lose players with a term like Instanced tacked onto thier City Sieges, they have naturally looked to finding a more welcoming term. Zoning is the easy way out on this one because city sieges are by AoC definition zones, but unfortunately for AoC city sieges are also instances. So... we are actually both correct.
Ok back to the WAR talk, ready..... break!
STOP WHINING!
Nurgle is a very open and emotional god, he will spill his guts to pretty much anyone.
STOP WHINING!
Sorry to backtrack in this thread a bit... cuz I REALLY LOVE THOSE SCREENSHOTS.. but this post just exemplifes how out of touch some posters are when thinking about the overall marketing of a game...
The difference between an M and T rating is HUGE for potential customers.. I think the aforementioned 25% mark is conservative. The comment about attracting female players (and yes WoW did us a great service there) is also right on.
Throw in that your biggest competitor's selling points ARE BLOOD< GORE< NUDITY.. why would you take that head on? especially with the huge available market of tiring WoW players...
We all have an idyllic MMORPG in our head, and no real game is going to come close to matching mine.. don't know about yours. So sure a little whining about the lack of gore and darkness is assumed.. but please give up thse posts like you are some marketing guru that can't understand obviously 'flawed' decisions.
Dark humor >> Mindless Gore in any game/genre for me.. handsdown.
We would all like more gore but its not going to happen. Warhammer is a dark gritty sense of humor world. Do you really think that AOC wont attract the kids just as much as WAR?
Firework display or not, WAR subs will only be second to WOW. WAR gameplay is more akin to DAOC not WOW.
You will still play so whats the point of beating yourself up about flashing spells.
I think the gameplay will be more demanding than AOC or any other mmorpg out their.
I'm a Warhammer fan. I expect a WH licensed game to feel, look and follow the atmosphere of the Warhammer universe.
When I here things like gankers turn into chickens, blood, gore, dirt etc removed I start to wonder why in earth Mythic ever licensed to use stuff from Warhammer.
Frankly. Characters in WAR (taken from the Warhammer universe) looks lame and cartoonized the way Mythic has done it right now.
It's not about blood, gore etc. It's the feeling of a dirty WAR . That's what really bothers me. If I want
to see pretty flashing colors, I look at a christmas tree.
An M rating is just too restrictive for most MMOs. I just think it is going to kick up to much controversy for the games own good. MMOs already have the whole obsessive/addictive stigma associated with them. You throw in a gorefest and I just think its going to cause problems.
Games I've Played: WoW, FFXI, SWG, CoH, EVE Online
Games I'm Waiting for: WAR, Stargate Worlds
They have already said they are going for a T rating.
So that's that.
Gore etc is fine for about 20 minutes then after that who really take notice? its all about the win.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I'm a Warhammer fan. I expect a WH licensed game to feel, look and follow the atmosphere of the Warhammer universe.
When I here things like gankers turn into chickens, blood, gore, dirt etc removed I start to wonder why in earth Mythic ever licensed to use stuff from Warhammer.
Frankly. Characters in WAR (taken from the Warhammer universe) looks lame and cartoonized the way Mythic has done it right now.
It's not about blood, gore etc. It's the feeling of a dirty WAR . That's what really bothers me. If I want
to see pretty flashing colors, I look at a christmas tree.
You may be right but again..YOU will still play it..correct?
I really dont understand people..they ask for everything and a bag of chips..and when devs try to give it to them they complain because Crap Doesn't frigging work. I wnat a good RvR game...GUTS and body parts flying aren't Necessary to make a good PvP game. Its just extra Lag worthy content that I'm quite happy to do without.
Face it Crusher you can't have your cake and eat it too. You either like the game's mechanics and find it fun or you don't but the constant complaint over T vs M is just retarded. M doesn't make a game anymore fun than a Teen rated game. Games are either fun or their not all Ratings aside.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
If It's a "real" Warhammer game at release, no doubt. If not .... no.
Within the WAR fanboy community there are to camps. The DAOC lovers, and the Warhammer lovers. I'm expecting a WH game, the other side DAOC 2.
If It's a "real" Warhammer game at release, no doubt. If not .... no.
Within the WAR fanboy community there are to camps. The DAOC lovers, and the Warhammer lovers. I'm expecting a WH game, the other side DAOC 2.
Wrong, very wrong! DAoC lovers are one, Warhammer fans are another, and PvP fans are another. I have never played DAOC but I have been informed about it. I have never read or played anything related to Warhammer either. I think WAR will be the next big game simply but the information that Mythic provides about game mechanics. It looks to make for a FUN PvP game.
Anyone that thinks gore makes or breaks the game has serious issues that I can't even begin to describe. Real PvPers look for game mechanics and balance. I have never once heard "I wish stabbing a Nelf in the face would cover me in blood" but I have heard "XXXXX Mechanic sucks! XXXXX is to overpowered". If you really want to see what mechanics can do to a game go check out SWG.
So, while a bunch of 14 years olds are giggling to themselves over some pixelated boobs in AoC, I will be there at the gates of Altdorf, staring down the howling, bloodthirsty Chaos horde with hammer in hand and a prayer to Sigmar upon my lips. Ready to lay down my life for the Empire.
And a bunch of 14 year olds behind you giggling at the scantilly clad witch elves
rofl nice Pheace .... *shudders in the horror* thats the one thing I hate about elves being in the game lolol you know 90% of them will be big giggling old men or teenage boys
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Some of us are older then 14. We want a MMO PvP Warhammer game, not a game adapted for children. EA/Mythic is making a huge mistake trying to flirt with the WOW audience. Age of Conan had the balls to make something mature, and from what I heard It paid out pretty well.
If Mythic stay on the current track, they fight over subscribers will be between WOW and WAR, not WAR and AOC. And considering the size of Blizzards wallet, there is no doubt who will loose.
Yeah... agreed... since most game mechanics will be the same, lokks are very similar with polished up graphics... I wonder when WoW will overhaul it's graphic engine the way EVE did and AO will.
A fight between WoW and WAR would be interesting to watch since both "teams" will be motivated to geive their best to get to the paying customer... but i think WAR will have a hard time challenging the 11.000.000-titan World of Warcraft.
Sadly. A darker design would have been my favourite too.
To be honest. I think Mythic orginally planned to make a real Warhammer game. But the greedy people at EA wanted to make a WOW alternative (to maximize profits) instead of making a unique game.
It will back fire
I'd say it is exactly the opposite.
If EA were working with someone else THEN it would probably become a level-and-gear based linear grindfest that we've come to love and cherish so much these past years...
Thankfully Mythic designed their core game around something else and imo EA had no import on that. The only serious decision that was taken from Mythic (that I'm aware of) is that Games Workshop (and not EA) insisted on Teen rating - which makes some kind of sense if you consider that Warhammer TT games are aimed squarely at teen age group - at least as the natural age to first take up the hobby.
IMO it is Mythic who is calling the shots in the most important part of the game - core game design. It seems to me that EA learned from its mistakes (sadly not many other publishers followed suit) and realized that it is better for their profits to leave crucial game design decisions to people who are actually qualified for that (i.e. devs) rather than some enthusiastic suits with degrees in economics.
Meh, the blood, dirt and violence is superficial fluff from my perspective and no more useful to game play than character customization or good crafting.
Plenty of entertaining combat can occur w/o the graphical violence (check out the latest Narnia movie for a great example of this) and I never had an issue with it in DAOC.
For all you guys talking about how violent the WAR world is...remember, its based off a game that features handpainted minatures as its core feature... really, how gritty can it really be?
Sure, saving Private Ryan was gritty, because that was based on real people dying out there... this is a fantasy world, don't really care if you can dismember an orc... I'm not really feeling the effect.
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Some of us are older then 14. We want a MMO PvP Warhammer game, not a game adapted for children. EA/Mythic is making a huge mistake trying to flirt with the WOW audience. Age of Conan had the balls to make something mature, and from what I heard It paid out pretty well.
If Mythic stay on the current track, they fight over subscribers will be between WOW and WAR, not WAR and AOC. And considering the size of Blizzards wallet, there is no doubt who will loose.
First of all, SWG is total trash now. Secondly i personally don't care about violence at all, if you corelate violence with maturity you've obviously got a 4th grade oklahoma education. It is, however; slightly more satisfying when you can see the effects of your attack in a more visceral way. but at the end of the day if the mechanics arent there then it means nothing.
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Atleast they won't have a dance emote like WoW's.
Maybe a little Mythic jig like the dance from DAoC, which was not very seductive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aGD_t5KIR8
STOP WHINING!
Saving Private Ryan had never been any success if not due to the extreme realism and the feeling of how brutal War is. Imagine the same movie, but as "T" - rated.
WARs own CGI trailer is dark, brutal and raw. It catches the spirit of Warhammer. Mythic should have kept that spirit / feeling through out the game. Flirt with the adult, and the real Warhammer fans.