What the fuck ? Ofcourse the single player thing has zero replayability since you skip it once you made your first char, it's just a very nice tutorail.
Sypro tells everyone that playing from level 1 to 20 is just a torturial.
So this can be skipped.
So IF the story so important as everyone say, and IF as everyone say that you can play your character SO MANY WAYS thrue level 1 to 20.
Why can you skip 1 to 20 as it is just torturial? -.---------------------------------------------------
If you're so dead set on your ideas about what the first 20 levels are like, why don't you play the game and find out your answer rather than making up your own preconceptions about the game before you've even tried it?
Or are you too stubborn to do so?
After all, one can justify any side of an argument, it all depends how you twist and skew the information to suit your own opinion.
Errrr okayyyyyyyyyy umm how bout this flash. You don't like the concept of the game? Don't play!
Wait for your game or go make one that meets your need. Don't really get the idea of pissing on something that other people are looking forward too...guess you just have too much time on your hands.
What game (s) are you currently playing? That way we know what to take a dump on.
Think about it this way. Would you only watch a movie once, just because you've seen it and it means nothing now? If you watch that same movie again, you'll notice more, learn things about the story that you hadn't learnt in the first place, and possibly see some of the subliminal quirks that are added to a lot of movies today. Plus, as stated before, the story changes. Even if it didn't, you still have to try out all of the different classes and test out different playstyles. And also, more than one race would do absolutely nothing for this game. This isn't a fairy tale, its a down and dirty adult MMO meant for people who like the realism aspect of video games (disregarding the monster aspect of the Hyborian world) and those who like a game that was made for maturity and not for children.
Some people want realism in their games, some don't. If you don't like the dark, gritty and gory setting of Robert E. Howard's Conan, then play something that has the setting that you feel more comfortable with. I'm sure Hello Kitty online would have tons of different races to play; from cute and cuddly kittens to cute and cuddly bears and duckies....
To each their own.
No need to hate on a game because you don't like it, just don't play it.
I don't go on the WoW forums and talk about how lame that game is.
Age of Conan is the best MMO to come out in my opinion since Asheron's Call, which coincidentally only had human player races too.
Yeah, i'll agree, replaying levels 1-20 won't be too fun, but even if you chose to, i'm pretty sure you'd blow through it in no time.
As to the lack of races? Not a big deal. In most games the racial differences are for appearance more than anything else. Rarely do they vary in abilities by much because people would view them gimped and they'd be hard to balance.
Take WOW for instance, a Gnome Warrior should have had 1/2 the strength of a Tauren, but that was never the case. And most games follow the same model.
But I can see where it still might not appeal. In the end, your choice is to go play another game.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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The topic is a valid concern, just not right now I don't think. I mean, the game hasn't launched. Anyone burned out on the replayability of it due to beta alone, during a level capped environment where their gameplay was solely confined to that area...well they aren't giving the game a fair shake.
Months from now after doing the same beginning area over and over, although four different ways due to the quest differences per archetype, it might become a bit stale then.
Then again, maybe not. Like I said the entire game has to be judged; I played City of Heroes for years but never got tired of starting in Atlas Park; mainly because I had characters of all different levels; so when I got tired of Peregrine Island, Atlas Park was refreshing despite it being billionth time I was there.
So you know, its not like replayability is going to be the lone factor bothering anyone about the game. Usually a lack of replayability only rears its head when a player is dissatisfied with every other level of the game as well. 'else they'd just play higher level characters until replaying the beginning seems fresh again.
Anyway though, like I said, the point is valid, or will be to some someday. No huge glaring flaw though, but definitely a foreseeable problem when it comes to the exposed "grind" of any MMO when dealing with one way to do anything that must be repeated.
Obvious remedy is for 'em to vary the experience one day with alternate starting areas. I doubt that'll come before an expansion, and I doubt they'll let us start skipping to level 20. Who knows? It's not an issue today.
You always play and level the same 20 levels. No problem. OK. How many times are you gonna meet the nice looking lady at the cross and listen to her monologue? In fact the mission to rescue her is shorter than her speech. How many times are you gonna go to the same 'preloading inn" to deliver the quests and come back out again to the same "preloading" beautiful pixeled street. How long do you think will it take before you are used to the graphics and same NPC talkies and start looking for the gameplay underneath the graphics. And final question: where is the gameplay in Conan as a MMORPG? Whatever your answer it certainly can't be found in its seamless open world (because like a designer said: that was removed in favor of pixels).
Meet the nice looking lady at the cross and listen to her? I'm a friggin barbarian, there's only one thing I want to do with a nice lookin lady, and it ain't talk. What kind of a pansy assed game is this anyway? I thought it was about the Age of Conan, where I get to rape, murder, pillage, and burn my way through Hyboria?
What kind of quests does this game have? What happened to the manly men?
What the hell does the first 20 levels have to do with replayability? The actual GAMEPLAY will be what makes the players want to come back and play. The combat mechanics, abilities, creating a character, etc.. As for all your "race" choices being human.. So if they don't offer a choice on fantasy cliches all the choices must be the same? Well, they all have different starting cities, lore, and abilities (stats, etc) - just because the choices don't include skinny, metro lookin pointy eared creatures, or stumpy looking bearded things, doesn't mean there isn't difference in choice.
I know no logic will persuade you either way, seeing as you are just a troll and only interested in trying to create a flame war rather then a discussion. I'm sure you have not even bothered playing the beta, or reading up on any easily accessed information on the game.. The biggest problem with this site is definitely the huge numbers of troll vs. fanboy threads. I am not a fanboy, but have played a bit of the cb on a friend's computer, and from what little I have tried, makes me interested in trying it further. It would be better to just ignore the obvious trolls, but it's just so hard!
From what I hear you gain the option to skip to level 20 after you reach level 5 for any other class once you get at least one past level 20 before-hand. There is a very good chance I am wrong though, I have nothing on me to back this up, but I've heard this repeated among these forums and the official forums. Not to mention, I'm not exactly sure why you are attacking the game for this reason and this reason only. You're judging it's replay ability by the first 20 levels. If I recall games like WoW are basically a grind as fast as you can past level 20, at least this seems slightly intriguing. In fact, this is probably one of the best features of the game if you ask me, I've found it much more interesting than any other games out there... can't find any others that offer anything other than the "get out of the first 20 levels as fast as you can" feel. If you feel AoC is one of those, well, good luck finding a game that doesn't have this feeling. I doubt WAR will, and if they do, kudos to them.
I am really glad there is only the human race in this game... kind of sick of elves and dwarves and cow-men myself. WAR is coming out in a couple months if you like this sort of style. No reason to state the obvious that this game will not have these different playable species, pretty much common knowledge at this point. It's basically deciding for yourself if you like this style of "races" or not, no reason to try and complain about something in the game that obviously is a feature that isn't going away.
Stop nit-picking the game, people. Just because you don't like a certain feature the game is offering doesn't mean it is going to fail. Many of us think the contrary.
1) You will always begin your leveling from 1 to 20 at same place. 2) There is actually ONE race to play in this game. ---> Human Race <---- Nothing else...
I can't see much difference of playing American or English or Egyptian... Really, come on...
You sir, are a tool and a troll. How droll.
Levels 1-20 are supposed to be the same, as they are the "storyline" levels. This isn't WoW, remember?
however, you can take different paths through that 1-20 place. Also, Rogue, Caster, and Soldier each have different quest lines for the single-player aspect, and different roles in the day time aspect. Yes, there's one species...human. Get over it....this isn't a phantasy game with gnomes and elves, it's a barbaric medieval pit of cruelty, injustice, and evil. And it's about goddamn time.
1) You will always begin your leveling from 1 to 20 at same place. 2) There is actually ONE race to play in this game. ---> Human Race <---- Nothing else...
I can't see much difference of playing American or English or Egyptian... Really, come on...
1) You will always begin your leveling from 1 to 20 at same place. 2) There is actually ONE race to play in this game. ---> Human Race <---- Nothing else...
I can't see much difference of playing American or English or Egyptian... Really, come on...
You sir, are a tool and a troll. How droll.
Levels 1-20 are supposed to be the same, as they are the "storyline" levels. This isn't WoW, remember?
Aye, you are very true this isn't WoW where the game is the same from 1-70 EVERYTIME!!!
1) You will always begin your leveling from 1 to 20 at same place. 2) There is actually ONE race to play in this game. ---> Human Race <---- Nothing else...
I can't see much difference of playing American or English or Egyptian... Really, come on...
I am sorry you feel that way...let me talk to the Devs...and lets make it like the games you seem to be use to...as that has the most variety
Create Elf
"Log in"
"Talk to guy with question mark over head"
"Spastic click on ok to bypass the wall of text as I can'ts reads goods..."
"Go kill 10 boars"
Create Human
"Log in"
"Talk to guy with question mark over head"
"Spastic click on ok to bypass the wall of text as I can'ts reads goods..."
"Go kill 10 boars....no wait...wolves here"
Damn...there is a lot of variety and variations to this world...WoW!
The fanbois have pwned the OP. Long live Age of Vanguard!
What the hell are you talking about?
I dare you to name one game where the starting area is different for everyone every time.
Dammit I fell for the troll.
No troll.
I sincerely believe that the OP has been pwned by the Conan fanbois. If you mean my use of fanboi, I must ask "Who else would be defending such a buggy, unstable, technological nightmare?"
The OP has been effectively dismissed, but that does NOT change the fundamental fact that from a tech standpoint, AoC is the new Vanguard.
Considering at launch you could start out an any of the npc cities on any of the base planets you do have a point, however missions were either animal/npc lairs/bases or delivery.
Even than the only difference was were you started out, there were no unique type quests to each city. SWG never had a decent "questing" system. However, nothing beats player made content, something SWG "had".
1) You will always begin your leveling from 1 to 20 at same place. 2) There is actually ONE race to play in this game. ---> Human Race <---- Nothing else...
I can't see much difference of playing American or English or Egyptian... Really, come on...
As oppossed to killing x amount of boar's or x amount of wolves maybe with a different background?
who cares about the 1st 20 levels,there are another 60 after that,also for me i have always enjoyed the learning of new classes and no matter how much you take your time the 2nd and 3rd time always show you quests or places you have missed.
Also using your logic everything in MMo's are the same(well AoC does use a slighty different combat system)>get quest>goto quest area>press 1,2,3,4,5,etc>get quest done>hand in quest,I have to ask what is your point?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
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Sypro tells everyone that playing from level 1 to 20 is just a torturial.
So this can be skipped.
So IF the story so important as everyone say, and IF as everyone say that you can play your character SO MANY WAYS thrue level 1 to 20.
Why can you skip 1 to 20 as it is just torturial? -.---------------------------------------------------
If you're so dead set on your ideas about what the first 20 levels are like, why don't you play the game and find out your answer rather than making up your own preconceptions about the game before you've even tried it?
Or are you too stubborn to do so?
After all, one can justify any side of an argument, it all depends how you twist and skew the information to suit your own opinion.
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Errrr okayyyyyyyyyy umm how bout this flash. You don't like the concept of the game? Don't play!
Wait for your game or go make one that meets your need. Don't really get the idea of pissing on something that other people are looking forward too...guess you just have too much time on your hands.
What game (s) are you currently playing? That way we know what to take a dump on.
WHAT, no nude gnome females doing lap dances in the tavern?
He's right, replay value....zero!
When are they going to make a MMORPG for the lovers, and not just the fighters?
http://www.quelsolaar.com/love/index.html
The game is even called Love...and it is a MMO. Enjoy.
....but can you also kill things, explore, and craft?
Sure, a gallon of blood being slung everytime something is hit (including yourself) is most definately realistic.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHSTwF9OEaQ&NR=1
(sorry for the crap music the creator of this video used)
STOP WHINING!
check out the guy's post history..the only game he likes is WoW....
'nuff said.
Some people want realism in their games, some don't. If you don't like the dark, gritty and gory setting of Robert E. Howard's Conan, then play something that has the setting that you feel more comfortable with. I'm sure Hello Kitty online would have tons of different races to play; from cute and cuddly kittens to cute and cuddly bears and duckies....
To each their own.
No need to hate on a game because you don't like it, just don't play it.
I don't go on the WoW forums and talk about how lame that game is.
Age of Conan is the best MMO to come out in my opinion since Asheron's Call, which coincidentally only had human player races too.
Yeah, i'll agree, replaying levels 1-20 won't be too fun, but even if you chose to, i'm pretty sure you'd blow through it in no time.
As to the lack of races? Not a big deal. In most games the racial differences are for appearance more than anything else. Rarely do they vary in abilities by much because people would view them gimped and they'd be hard to balance.
Take WOW for instance, a Gnome Warrior should have had 1/2 the strength of a Tauren, but that was never the case. And most games follow the same model.
But I can see where it still might not appeal. In the end, your choice is to go play another game.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
The topic is a valid concern, just not right now I don't think. I mean, the game hasn't launched. Anyone burned out on the replayability of it due to beta alone, during a level capped environment where their gameplay was solely confined to that area...well they aren't giving the game a fair shake.
Months from now after doing the same beginning area over and over, although four different ways due to the quest differences per archetype, it might become a bit stale then.
Then again, maybe not. Like I said the entire game has to be judged; I played City of Heroes for years but never got tired of starting in Atlas Park; mainly because I had characters of all different levels; so when I got tired of Peregrine Island, Atlas Park was refreshing despite it being billionth time I was there.
So you know, its not like replayability is going to be the lone factor bothering anyone about the game. Usually a lack of replayability only rears its head when a player is dissatisfied with every other level of the game as well. 'else they'd just play higher level characters until replaying the beginning seems fresh again.
Anyway though, like I said, the point is valid, or will be to some someday. No huge glaring flaw though, but definitely a foreseeable problem when it comes to the exposed "grind" of any MMO when dealing with one way to do anything that must be repeated.
Obvious remedy is for 'em to vary the experience one day with alternate starting areas. I doubt that'll come before an expansion, and I doubt they'll let us start skipping to level 20. Who knows? It's not an issue today.
Meet the nice looking lady at the cross and listen to her? I'm a friggin barbarian, there's only one thing I want to do with a nice lookin lady, and it ain't talk. What kind of a pansy assed game is this anyway? I thought it was about the Age of Conan, where I get to rape, murder, pillage, and burn my way through Hyboria?
What kind of quests does this game have? What happened to the manly men?
PS: Elves ain't bad....taste great, less filling.
What the hell does the first 20 levels have to do with replayability? The actual GAMEPLAY will be what makes the players want to come back and play. The combat mechanics, abilities, creating a character, etc.. As for all your "race" choices being human.. So if they don't offer a choice on fantasy cliches all the choices must be the same? Well, they all have different starting cities, lore, and abilities (stats, etc) - just because the choices don't include skinny, metro lookin pointy eared creatures, or stumpy looking bearded things, doesn't mean there isn't difference in choice.
I know no logic will persuade you either way, seeing as you are just a troll and only interested in trying to create a flame war rather then a discussion. I'm sure you have not even bothered playing the beta, or reading up on any easily accessed information on the game.. The biggest problem with this site is definitely the huge numbers of troll vs. fanboy threads. I am not a fanboy, but have played a bit of the cb on a friend's computer, and from what little I have tried, makes me interested in trying it further. It would be better to just ignore the obvious trolls, but it's just so hard!
also, the plan is to eventually have a three seperate starting areas, one for each race.
From what I hear you gain the option to skip to level 20 after you reach level 5 for any other class once you get at least one past level 20 before-hand. There is a very good chance I am wrong though, I have nothing on me to back this up, but I've heard this repeated among these forums and the official forums. Not to mention, I'm not exactly sure why you are attacking the game for this reason and this reason only. You're judging it's replay ability by the first 20 levels. If I recall games like WoW are basically a grind as fast as you can past level 20, at least this seems slightly intriguing. In fact, this is probably one of the best features of the game if you ask me, I've found it much more interesting than any other games out there... can't find any others that offer anything other than the "get out of the first 20 levels as fast as you can" feel. If you feel AoC is one of those, well, good luck finding a game that doesn't have this feeling. I doubt WAR will, and if they do, kudos to them.
I am really glad there is only the human race in this game... kind of sick of elves and dwarves and cow-men myself. WAR is coming out in a couple months if you like this sort of style. No reason to state the obvious that this game will not have these different playable species, pretty much common knowledge at this point. It's basically deciding for yourself if you like this style of "races" or not, no reason to try and complain about something in the game that obviously is a feature that isn't going away.
Stop nit-picking the game, people. Just because you don't like a certain feature the game is offering doesn't mean it is going to fail. Many of us think the contrary.
Wow.. de'ja vu
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Levels 1-20 are supposed to be the same, as they are the "storyline" levels. This isn't WoW, remember?
well said
Hate to feed in to your feeble attempt at trolling but there is no such this AS THE OR A " HUMAN RACE "
humans , are a species, Not a race .
I hope you know that the max level is 80 :P
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Levels 1-20 are supposed to be the same, as they are the "storyline" levels. This isn't WoW, remember?
Aye, you are very true this isn't WoW where the game is the same from 1-70 EVERYTIME!!!
Poor attempt at trolling OP.
Create Elf
"Log in"
"Talk to guy with question mark over head"
"Spastic click on ok to bypass the wall of text as I can'ts reads goods..."
"Go kill 10 boars"
Create Human
"Log in"
"Talk to guy with question mark over head"
"Spastic click on ok to bypass the wall of text as I can'ts reads goods..."
"Go kill 10 boars....no wait...wolves here"
Damn...there is a lot of variety and variations to this world...WoW!
The fanbois have pwned the OP. Long live Age of Vanguard!
I dare you to name one game where the starting area is different for everyone every time.
Dammit I fell for the troll.
Pre-CU SWG perhaps?
STOP WHINING!
I dare you to name one game where the starting area is different for everyone every time.
Dammit I fell for the troll.
No troll.I sincerely believe that the OP has been pwned by the Conan fanbois. If you mean my use of fanboi, I must ask "Who else would be defending such a buggy, unstable, technological nightmare?"
The OP has been effectively dismissed, but that does NOT change the fundamental fact that from a tech standpoint, AoC is the new Vanguard.
Even than the only difference was were you started out, there were no unique type quests to each city. SWG never had a decent "questing" system. However, nothing beats player made content, something SWG "had".
who cares about the 1st 20 levels,there are another 60 after that,also for me i have always enjoyed the learning of new classes and no matter how much you take your time the 2nd and 3rd time always show you quests or places you have missed.
Also using your logic everything in MMo's are the same(well AoC does use a slighty different combat system)>get quest>goto quest area>press 1,2,3,4,5,etc>get quest done>hand in quest,I have to ask what is your point?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
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