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botting in warhammer? what do you think about it
ltlfishie
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Hello... So i was wondering is mythic doing anything to stop botting in warhammer? Also because its more of a pvp game would botting even be useful?
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it seems like age of conans combat system would make botting a lot harder but not impossible
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I can't see botting being a problem in WAR, its mostly PVP with alot of death.
AoC on the other hand is bot heaven because of less combat movement and less PVP. In fact the combat system in AoC will be simple for bots as you can get away with randomly hitting the attack keys unlike WAR.
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I thought I read somewhere that they are going to ban people caught botting.
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WAR's combat system is very .. as they say situational based...alot of skills are supposedly only usuable during certain situations making it far harder to actually build a bot. In the RvR alone it'd be basically worthless to have an army of bots ..people can pin point them from a mile away and they're likely to be the first targets to go down since they won't be able to defend themselves situation wise. You can't build stragetic / tactical moves based on the combat situation for bots atleast not without some deep knowledge of networking & AI programming and hacking.
Heal / Buff Bots for PvE on the other hand would probably be pretty frequent in WAR for the er..types who suck at finding a healer or just honestly don't want to play with others..
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No sure if you mean buff bots or farmers bots.
If you mean buff bots, I believe the design of the classes and the way buffs work wont really allow bots like there are in DAoC... but dunno cuz not in beta
If you mean farmers, imho, there will be always farmers as long as there are customers (hehe) and farmers will try to use bot programs. Alto, I hope Mythic finds ways to prevent farmers to exist in WAR.
As long as they can keep farming bots to a minimum and keep a harsh stance on them, I'll be happy. Buff bots need to just be scrubbed out though. They caused big problems in DAoC. The game should never get to the point where the community generally agrees that a class is "unplayable without a buff bot."
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Never really thought about farmer bots... *rubs chin*... it probably depends on the ratio of grind vs gain..if it takes forever to gain anything like money or items then farmer bots will show up just like any game, they do frown heavily on this of course...so hopefully they've got plans in mind for how to point them out. I don't see how you can use them to farm RvR ranks (lil hard to farm something thats smarter than an npc rofl) so we probably won't see any farmer rvr bots.
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If nothing else they will farm for in-game currency which always sells because there is always at least some need for it, and plenty of douchehandles who have too much money and play the game to flaunt their equipment rather than, ya know, actually play.
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well considering all the equiptment worth havign comes from RvR & PvE with little money involved...it all comes down to how they're setting up their economy...are alot of things bindable? Is it easy to make money? etc If its easy to make money and prices for everyday needed items or craftable items or even respects are moderate & properly proportionate to how long the average player can actually make that sort of money gold sellers will still exist but they'll be well sort of worthless. They make the bulk of their money in games like DDO and WoW where just the most mundane things or even mounts cost a frigging fortune and they aren't ratioed properly with how long it takes to make that sort of money.
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I don't think that botting is going to be a problem in WAR. Why do I say this? First let's look at why people bot.
1. To gain levels.
2. To gain money.
Well, if you're botting to gain levels in WAR, you're not going to be very successful. First of all, bots won't have a whole lot of success in the diverse Warhammer world. They'll just be grinding away killing monsters. Meanwhile, legit players will be doing public quests, regular quests, scenarios and skirmishes . . . and I believe legit players will likely gain more experience in a 2 hour session than a bot could get in a 12 hour session grinding mobs.
Also, take into consideration the way you get skills. You don't just buy them. You earn them! Bots won't be able to do everything it takes to earn new skills. So, people who bot to get to rank 40 quicker will virtually be worthless!
Let's not forget the Tome of Knowledge. Mark Jacobs told me that he would like each player's ToK to be displayed on the WAR Herald for everyone to see. If someone is botting, their ToK is going to reflect it for sure.
Another point is this. The game is not about personal gain. It's about your guild, alliance and realm. A "bot" guild isn't going to do much in this game.
I have heard that money isn't the end all to beat all in this game. It's not about how much you spend. It's about what you earn. By this, I mean your success in public quests etc. That's how you earn the coveted items.
true but some people don't see it that way they just want to get somewhere in the game doing as little personal work possible.
I dont think Botting will be a major issue..there will always ALWAYS be bots in a game..but it'll be entertaining to completely ruin a bot's day if they are stupid enough to try and use them in a RvR zone lol.
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I think that people will report bots, especially if they are on your side. Let me explain.
Let's say you're playing Destruction, and there are like 3 full parties of bots getting owned in an RvR zone. You don't want these bots to be easy fodder for an enemy guild - helping them level their guild up in ranks.
By the same token, if there are bots out where you're doing public quests - well, that isn't going to be really popular either!
please use bots....
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dont' forget Wrenn..after so many deaths those bots become worth nothing in Points..so..killing them will be a fun sport and it'll piss off the Botter...an extra Plus in my book...I'd still report them though and kill them repeatedly in the process.
Personally I think it'll be down right impossible to use bots effectively in RvR since so many of the skills are reactionary skills and Bots don't have 'reactions'
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agreed people wont put more cash out for less then the best gear.. so i really dont see this a huge problem in WAR but depending on how money and crafting is handle..its really to early to say
Well I don't see a big grind so that really discounts the people that get bored/tired/frustrated with leveling to bot. Most of the good stuff is gained through unlocks/pvp/etc so botting wont help there and would be easily recognizable. Money will be a touchy subject until we see how the economy works. If it is how I believe it will be then money wont be all that important. You will buy some potions, repair, etc but there wont be a big goal like WoW's Epic Ground and Epic Flying Mounts.
Bots and gold selling will be present in this game like any other.
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so why would there be in war?
see youc ant g around basing life on WOW.
theres no need for money... then how would you make a gold farming business?
supply and demand. if we dont need money... then why would gold farmers sell it? its war.... we dont need gold... we need more axes. same as daoc. find me the price of daoc gold (if you can) and compare it to wow gold or even EQ gold.
Oh and as for making a bot from the enemy realm to kill over and over fr points.
the run back time youl would need to get back to yourself to kill would be nt worth it. you would make more points killing and hntin actual enemies than trying to kill a bot. further more.. th higher rank you are and the more points you get... the more you are worth. you can kill your scrub rank 1 bot all day long and I can go kill 2 actal pvp players and out earn you in points
There was no gold selling problem in daoc.so why would there be in war?
see youc ant g around basing life on WOW.
theres no need for money... then how would you make a gold farming business?
supply and demand. if we dont need money... then why would gold farmers sell it? its war.... we dont need gold... we need more axes. same as daoc. find me the price of daoc gold (if you can) and compare it to wow gold or even EQ gold.
Oh and as for making a bot from the enemy realm to kill over and over fr points.
the run back time youl would need to get back to yourself to kill would be nt worth it. you would make more points killing and hntin actual enemies than trying to kill a bot. further more.. th higher rank you are and the more points you get... the more you are worth. you can kill your scrub rank 1 bot all day long and I can go kill 2 actal pvp players and out earn you in points
Daoc was ages ago. There was gold selling, and there was character selling. The last more than the first I'll agree but they were different times. These things were still done in quiet and only on certain websites. Also Daoc's restrictive chat and low user numbers (compared to now anyway) made it less easy/interesting. By now bot developers have massive experience and bots are being made in no time for nearly every game that comes out, sometimes even before the official release.
I can guarantee you if a game like daoc started today it would be 100% different. Profiteers have seen how profitable it can be and how little effort it requires(for them).
I never said a bot would do 100% of the game. Even in WoW that's an impossibility with raiding and the like. But anything that will be bottable there will be bots for and anything that will require money and/or effort(Like crafting or purchaseables by crafting for instance) will have people buying gold for it. People are just that lazy unfortunately. (yes I lay the blame at buyers).
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I'm not really worried too much about botting in WAR. Sure, it will be there - but I think that gold farmers will have a tough time selling their wares, and the people who bot for ranks will not be as powerful as legit players.
The biggest issue I see with WAR is going to be power-levelling services and character selling.
If there is money to be made, there will be bots. The more people that play this game, the more bots there will be. Be it for leveleing services or what have you ... they will be there
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Am I concerned? Not at all.
Something else to consider......can the bots actually complete all the items in the tome of knowledge ? I doubt it. Maybe that isnt the goal if money making is the issue but leveling is a different story altogether.
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Bots wont be able to complete the ToK but that isn't the point of bots...its either to help the player or people run a script and sell the gold.
One way to limit bots is, following what Guild wars did, only letting the game open once not letting multi copies of the game run on the same computer (although there is programs you can download to bypass this)
Bots for PVP is stupid I've seen my friend do this in DAoC this it is boring and point less running with a full group works better, you have more fun, and it lot faster..
depending on the cost of mounts and other such fluff money needs could vary...but again as i have said before i don't think people will put out more money for less then the best gear, which is bind on equip (another good system that limits item selling by bots)
Bots will always be in games it just depends on how much money they can make out it