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  • minutemaidminutemaid Member Posts: 233

    i pre-ordered to get the special camp tbh

     

    lol

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  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by MESS14H


    happy that Ive got a beta key, Unhappy that Ive had to pay for it when others haven't, disappointed with a company that should know better
    the words cowboys come to mind
    I can tell you what i can see happening
    the registration servers are gonna come online and then become completely swamped with the millions of players trying to register their  beta keys and most likely end up crashing creating a delay. It might of been a good idea to have given more time for people to register thus reducing the load.

    Omg you psychic or something?

    Just tried to log in to my account so that I can enter my paid for beta key, and the authenticating system is still down, and there are only 2 days to go ggrrrrr, you must have seen this coming :( it's going to be a nightmare logging in to enter the codes now :(

     

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

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  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by minutemaid


    i pre-ordered to get the special camp tbh
     
    lol



     

    As did I, but come on you saying that you were not in the least a little interested in trying the game out before release?

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • sassoonsssassoonss Member UncommonPosts: 1,132
    Originally posted by Royou

    Originally posted by MESS14H


    happy that Ive got a beta key, Unhappy that Ive had to pay for it when others haven't, disappointed with a company that should know better
    the words cowboys come to mind
    I can tell you what i can see happening
    the registration servers are gonna come online and then become completely swamped with the millions of players trying to register their  beta keys and most likely end up crashing creating a delay. It might of been a good idea to have given more time for people to register thus reducing the load.

    Omg you psychic or something?

    Just tried to log in to my account so that I can enter my paid for beta key, and the authenticating system is still down, and there are only 2 days to go ggrrrrr, you must have seen this coming :( it's going to be a nightmare logging in to enter the codes now :(

     

     

    if we do get past that in time dont forget the patching

     

    GOA is a such shitty company

     

    All the same I started with SPORE and enjoying it

  • ArconaArcona Member UncommonPosts: 1,182
    To be honest with you, I knew it was going to go that way, as they always do with there open beta test's hence the name Open Beta, I feel that every one that wants to try it out should be able to, but and this is a big but, as we paid for the privilege I feel that we should have been give access to the closed Beta and not the open one, that would have been more fairer, but hay it E.A and as we all know they don't give a dam about us customers or the community as a whole, just in the $ that they're gona make. Profit is business and their in business for profit after all :( Which is proven be E.A's trait of releasing bug ridden games, any one want to have a guess at how buggy WAR's gona be?

     

     

    The whining is strong with this one. Closed beta is over a long time ago, only a few testers left on the test server.

    You are talking about the game, EA, etc like a little child who didnt get its candy. What did you want? Open beta? Well, there are plenty of keys for it, I dont think its possible for the keys to run out before the 7th.

    You want to enter your key on war-europe now, now, now, or you will cry?

    There, there. Dont cry. I promise you they will make you able to enter your little key before open beta starts on sunday afternoon. No need to press F5 on the site every 5 minutes, go outside and play with your friends or something till sunday.

  • peteski123peteski123 Member UncommonPosts: 447

    Just to add my 2 pence worth,

    A little upset that I pre ordered mine from d2d to get the open beat access, now I notice you can pretty much get a FREE OB key from lots of places.

    The thing that can annoy is I bought mone from D2D (who btw are very good) but in reality I dont recieve any goods as its all DL ( no box and such), well I might aswell of ordered a box from any shop now and just registered for a Free OB key. A tad unfair I would say as they make more money (obviously) when you use a d2d servce. (as for the couple free pre order items, before they are mentioned, they are only low stuff that wont make any diff in a few days or so in game)

     

    Still looking forward to game, its just amazing how far company's go now just to get that extra $

  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82

    Originally posted by sassoonss

    Originally posted by Royou

    Originally posted by MESS14H


    happy that Ive got a beta key, Unhappy that Ive had to pay for it when others haven't, disappointed with a company that should know better
    the words cowboys come to mind
    I can tell you what i can see happening
    the registration servers are gonna come online and then become completely swamped with the millions of players trying to register their  beta keys and most likely end up crashing creating a delay. It might of been a good idea to have given more time for people to register thus reducing the load.

    Omg you psychic or something?

    Just tried to log in to my account so that I can enter my paid for beta key, and the authenticating system is still down, and there are only 2 days to go ggrrrrr, you must have seen this coming :( it's going to be a nightmare logging in to enter the codes now :(

     

     

    if we do get past that in time dont forget the patching

     

    GOA is a such shitty company

     

    All the same I started with SPORE and enjoying it



     

    Oh bugger just when I thought it was close, ya I'd forgoten about the dam patching, already managed to download the client, just not able to patch with out the account up graded, i.e codes entered :(

    Can it get any worse :(

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by Arcona

    To be honest with you, I knew it was going to go that way, as they always do with there open beta test's hence the name Open Beta, I feel that every one that wants to try it out should be able to, but and this is a big but, as we paid for the privilege I feel that we should have been give access to the closed Beta and not the open one, that would have been more fairer, but hay it E.A and as we all know they don't give a dam about us customers or the community as a whole, just in the $ that they're gona make. Profit is business and their in business for profit after all :( Which is proven be E.A's trait of releasing bug ridden games, any one want to have a guess at how buggy WAR's gona be?

     

     

    The whining is strong with this one. Closed beta is over a long time ago, only a few testers left on the test server.

    You are talking about the game, EA, etc like a little child who didnt get its candy. What did you want? Open beta? Well, there are plenty of keys for it, I dont think its possible for the keys to run out before the 7th.

    You want to enter your key on war-europe now, now, now, or you will cry?

    There, there. Dont cry. I promise you they will make you able to enter your little key before open beta starts on sunday afternoon. No need to press F5 on the site every 5 minutes, go outside and play with your friends or something till sunday.



     

    ROFPMSL you really need to stop drinking the coffee dude, now go re-read it, as I've not got a clue of what you are talking about, you are one major freak, so what ya smoking?

    Hmmm closed beta is over? OMFG no please no, sheesh learn to read and understand what you are reading, I said should have done, as in past tense, you have finished school?

    Candy? WFT are you on about, god wow! you can get all that from what I said, dam your good "not" PMSL I'm beginning to see a picture here, your about 12 years old aren't you, and home from school today as you've pulled a sicky, shame on you, for fooling you mother like that, now be a good little boy and run a long to school, and let us big boys play.

    I won't cry if you don't :P

    Pushing F5 why would I need to do that, when all I would have to do is push the refresh tab, and why would I do that any way, the log in is down, so refreshing would achieve nothing, you don't mean to say that your sat in front of your screen pushing F5 in the hope that something will change, God get a life dude, I have a R/L that does not revolve around my computer, looks like you seriously need one, go out and join your local youth club, you'll make lots of new friends, my son's love going to their clubs, oh but are you a shy little boy who can't make and keep any friends, so you spend all your day in your room, in a fantasy world, I feel sorry for you :( you should try to get out more, you will enjoy it I promise.

     

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • ArconaArcona Member UncommonPosts: 1,182

    Wow, you go emo easily That was a very long post you wrote there, did you have to wipe the foam off your mouth after?

     

    Well, my post wasnt directed at you alone,(which I forgot to make more clear to prevent you go emo, well, you would probably have gone emo anyway, mamma's little boy, lol)

     

    but to all those who whine and whine about ...

    1) why GOA hasnt put the account management stuff up yet  (not you) why do people make a million posts a second about this, when there is plenty of time untill sonday afternoon, baffles me.

    2) No open beta keys left,even though plenty left (not you)

    3) We paid for closed beta access, so why wasnt we let into closed beta, I dont care if the closed beta ended a month ago, I want my closed beta, I paid for it whaaaaaaaambulance (this is you)

    I paid to get the collector's edition, beta access is just free extra stuff, not something I paid to get.

  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by Arcona


    Wow, you go emo easily That was a very long post you wrote there, did you have to wipe the foam off your mouth after?
     
    Well, my post wasnt directed at you alone,(which I forgot to make more clear to prevent you go emo, well, you would probably have gone emo anyway, mamma's little boy, lol)
     
    but to all those who whine and whine about ...
    1) why GOA hasnt put the account management stuff up yet  (not you) why do people make a million posts a second about this, when there is plenty of time untill sonday afternoon, baffles me.
    2) No open beta keys left,even though plenty left (not you)
    3) We paid for closed beta access, so why wasnt we let into closed beta, I dont care if the closed beta ended a month ago, I want my closed beta, I paid for it whaaaaaaaambulance (this is you)
    I paid to get the collector's edition, beta access is just free extra stuff, not something I paid to get.



     

    Nice choose of words, "emo" my son's use this word a lot and there 11 and 13, so now I know that you are a child, you really do need to read things properly first son, I've never said or demanded my beta, and by the way it's open not closed beta, and the closed beta for your information did not end a month ago it's still on going, but only a select few are partisipating in it, so I guess you were'nt one, which could explane your agressive attitude towards every one else, what they found out your real age did they

    People are free to moan if they want to moan, but what we don't want are trolls like you stirring up flame wars, so do us all a favour and go do your homework instead, oh wait is that your mommy I hear calling you, yep now run a long it's time for your tea, then bath time, have fun playing with your little ducky wucky, then mommy will come tuck you in to bed, awww didums, have a nice sleepy weepy.

    Go some place else.



     

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • ronan32ronan32 Member Posts: 1,418
    Originally posted by elvenangel


     
    Originally posted by kluunjr


    annyone knows annything about the open Beta for europe? couse i bough that open beta a month ago but its still not online...and i cant find anny date on when they might open it, annyone has some more information?
    thanks
    Don't listen to altair he doesnt know what he's talking about.     Open beta has not started yet.  The collector's Edition went on sale last month and it comes with an open beta ticket (it is NOT the only way to get in open beta just a gaurenteed way in).   The game's launch was pushed back to fall here in the US..so Sept to November the open beta will happen. 

     

    If you have an open beta key the European website for WAR is not allowing use of the keys until the OB date is announced so just lock your ticket somewhere safe.

    Anyone who's bothered to read their press section on the CE over on the Euro site knows this.

    If you're not from europe these issues probably dont concern you, so obviously you are not worried. As aeuropean player i am still waiting for my beta keys and we still have no account center to input our codes, 48 hours before the beta launch..so unless you are playing on the euro servers, just butt out smartass.

  • ArconaArcona Member UncommonPosts: 1,182
    Originally posted by Royou

    Originally posted by Arcona


    Wow, you go emo easily That was a very long post you wrote there, did you have to wipe the foam off your mouth after?
     
    Well, my post wasnt directed at you alone,(which I forgot to make more clear to prevent you go emo, well, you would probably have gone emo anyway, mamma's little boy, lol)
     
    but to all those who whine and whine about ...
    1) why GOA hasnt put the account management stuff up yet  (not you) why do people make a million posts a second about this, when there is plenty of time untill sonday afternoon, baffles me.
    2) No open beta keys left,even though plenty left (not you)
    3) We paid for closed beta access, so why wasnt we let into closed beta, I dont care if the closed beta ended a month ago, I want my closed beta, I paid for it whaaaaaaaambulance (this is you)
    I paid to get the collector's edition, beta access is just free extra stuff, not something I paid to get.



     

    Nice choose of words, "emo"

    yes, look it up, ignorant old man

    my son's use this word a lot and there 11 and 13, so now I know that you are a child, you really do need to read things properly first son, I've never said or demanded my beta,

    yes you did...

    and by the way it's open not closed beta, and the closed beta for your information did not end a month ago it's still on going, but only a select few are partisipating in it, so I guess you were'nt one, which could explane your agressive attitude towards every one else, what they found out your real age did they

    People are free to moan if they want to moan, but what we don't want are trolls like you stirring up flame wars, so do us all a favour and go do your homework instead, oh wait is that your mommy I hear calling you, yep now run a long it's time for your tea, then bath time, have fun playing with your little ducky wucky, then mommy will come tuck you in to bed, awww didums, have a nice sleepy weepy.

    Go some place else.

    go look "troll" up too, lol

     

  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by Arcona

    Originally posted by Royou

    Originally posted by Arcona


    Wow, you go emo easily That was a very long post you wrote there, did you have to wipe the foam off your mouth after?
     
    Well, my post wasnt directed at you alone,(which I forgot to make more clear to prevent you go emo, well, you would probably have gone emo anyway, mamma's little boy, lol)
     
    but to all those who whine and whine about ...
    1) why GOA hasnt put the account management stuff up yet  (not you) why do people make a million posts a second about this, when there is plenty of time untill sonday afternoon, baffles me.
    2) No open beta keys left,even though plenty left (not you)
    3) We paid for closed beta access, so why wasnt we let into closed beta, I dont care if the closed beta ended a month ago, I want my closed beta, I paid for it whaaaaaaaambulance (this is you)
    I paid to get the collector's edition, beta access is just free extra stuff, not something I paid to get.



     

    Nice choose of words, "emo"

    yes, look it up, ignorant old man

    my son's use this word a lot and there 11 and 13, so now I know that you are a child, you really do need to read things properly first son, I've never said or demanded my beta,

    yes you did...

    and by the way it's open not closed beta, and the closed beta for your information did not end a month ago it's still on going, but only a select few are partisipating in it, so I guess you were'nt one, which could explane your agressive attitude towards every one else, what they found out your real age did they

    People are free to moan if they want to moan, but what we don't want are trolls like you stirring up flame wars, so do us all a favour and go do your homework instead, oh wait is that your mommy I hear calling you, yep now run a long it's time for your tea, then bath time, have fun playing with your little ducky wucky, then mommy will come tuck you in to bed, awww didums, have a nice sleepy weepy.

    Go some place else.

    go look "troll" up too, lol

     

    I know what it means so there is no need to look it up, Mr angry Troll coming out to play again is he? lol, insults to, getting to close to the mark am I hahaha, grow up kid.



    No I was annoyed at the lack of support, and that I was unable to enter my code, didn't demand, there is a big difference, wisdom comes with age, you may come to yours in about 15 to 20 years, if you are lucky lol.

    Yep know that one too, and you are one, which all your post prove.

    (Now I will not talk to you anymore, you are not worth my time, and your churlish childish banter is boring, so I will stop feeding you, knowing that you will go away and crawl back in to your little cave)

     

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82

    Get ready for the head ache's guys and gals, this is going to be a mad rush and a nightmare, any guesses how long it will take for the servers to crash? lol

    I may just wait till Monday or Tuesday, been here before many times, and to be honest with you, I don't intend sitting in front of my PC trying to log in, I have better things to do.

    The below is from the war-europe news page.

    ((Many of you may be wondering what to do with your open beta key also. Before the servers open on Sunday we will open the validation page and you will be able to complete your preparations for the start of the open beta. We will of course post an update to let you know the moment the page is available.))

    So as you can see it will be fun, have fun trying to log in and I'll see you on the other side :P

     

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • ArconaArcona Member UncommonPosts: 1,182

    IanC says they open the registration system in plenty of time for the start.

    so probably tomorrow.

    http://vnboards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=108489284&brd=22997&start=108491466

    so you can stop whining now. Its pathetic.

  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by Arcona


    IanC says they open the registration system in plenty of time for the start.
    so probably tomorrow.
    http://vnboards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=108489284&brd=22997&start=108491466
    so you can stop whining now. Its pathetic.

    OMG who left the door open? now we have a troll in here, sheeesh.

    Just out of interest Mr Trolly, I know I said I'd never reply to you again, but I've been put up to it, a few of the guys, ok well all the guys are wondering, where are your from europe or the US?

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82

    Well I've got to say it, what a bunch of Noob's E.A have made them selves look like.

    08:30 I tried to log in to my war-europe account, only to keep getting one of two different error codes.

    First was, An error has occured, we are unable to Process your request (code 1103). (what a bunch of noobs, can't even spell occurred correctly PMSL)

    Second was, An error has occured, we are unable to Process your request (code 414).

    Then at 08:45 it skipped back to code 1103, and then at 08:48 the log in crashed LOL

    What a bunch of noob's

    Just out of interest how many times did you all get the code messages.

    code 1103 got 30 times in total.

    code 414 got 19 times in total.

    *Edit*

    Well it was back up at 08:57 and after 40 times of pushing the dam log in tab, I'm calling it a day for now, will try again latter, don't E.A realise that we have better things to do, than sit in front of our computers clicking our mouse buttons all day, I guess not :(

     

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • grimbojgrimboj Member Posts: 2,102

    There's "Plenty of time" and just plain taking the piss

    9:00 GMT. No new news. No official start time for beta. No registrations.

    --
    Note: PlayNC will refuse to allow you access to your account if you forget your password and can't provide a scanned image of the product key for the first product you purchased..... LOL

  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82

    So did anybody manage to log on and enter their codes at all?

    *Edit*

    Hmmm is it just me or is anybody else getting that feeling that us Europeans are getting low grade servers again?

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • AlivadaAlivada Member Posts: 86
    Originally posted by Royou


    Well I've got to say it, what a bunch of Noob's E.A have made them selves look like.
    08:30 I tried to log in to my war-europe account, only to keep getting one of two different error codes.
    First was, An error has occured, we are unable to Process your request (code 1103). (what a bunch of noobs, can't even spell occurred correctly PMSL)
    Second was, An error has occured, we are unable to Process your request (code 414).
    Then at 08:45 it skipped back to code 1103, and then at 08:48 the log in crashed LOL
    What a bunch of noob's
    Just out of interest how many times did you all get the code messages.
    code 1103 got 30 times in total.
    code 414 got 19 times in total.
    *Edit*
    Well it was back up at 08:57 and after 40 times of pushing the dam log in tab, I'm calling it a day for now, will try again latter, don't E.A realise that we have better things to do, than sit in front of our computers clicking our mouse buttons all day, I guess not :(
     



     

     Its not really Mythic's fault more GOA. The website is probably down to update the log in screen. I think you are the only person clicking and clicking do you have a life? Its not early afternoon yet so you arn't missing any OB you just can't upgrade your account. Stop whining please.

  • RexNebularRexNebular Member Posts: 259

    Gee, it's beta so everything should be working perfectly. Epic fail ;)

  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82

    PMSL you should go and read the news page before opening your mouth, talk about clueless, and you should have read my post properly, now go back to sleep Alivada . lol

     

    The log in and account set up's where turned on at 08:30 GMT this morning fool, and they are not down for an update, and if you had read my post you would have seen, that I'm going to try latter, get your facts right before you start moaning about people posting. talk about an airhead PMSL

    *edit*

    Just for you Alivada as you are so clueless.

    They brought the account set up and log in back on line, so that players could enter their codes, so that when they have downloaded the client ( you do know about that don't you, you need to download the client so that you can enter the Beta) it will patch, without the upgrade of your account the client will not patch, so they opened the log in and AC set up just for that reason, so that when the OB goes live every one should have the client and have it patched, but I get the feeling that you will be one of the unlucky ones that has not done any of this. fools like you give me such a good laugh, think you know something, but in fact know everything there is to know about nothing PMSL.

    Oh before I forget, if I'm the only one clicking, then why do you think the log in and AC servers crashed lol.

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82

    Well been out for most of the day, came back thought I'd try to log in, silly me for doing so lol

    So what's going on, apart from the new message on the main war-europe page?

    Server crashed again by the look of it.

    Well I hate to say it, but told you so.

    Anybody had any luck updating their accounts yet?

    imageTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

    "The Virtues guide us when the path is dark, Sacrifice most of all, sometimes Sacrifice is the Greatest Weapon we have!

            That is a Cruel Truth" (Austen Andrews. Ultima The Technocrat War. 2002)
  • ArconaArcona Member UncommonPosts: 1,182

    Royou why do you keep bumping this 4 month old post? use a new thread, man

    Would say good call on the 2nd post in this thread though, nice prediction there.

    Wouldnt call total fail on GOA yet though, im giving them 2 days, its beta after all.

  • RoyouRoyou Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by Arcona


    Royou why do you keep bumping this 4 month old post? use a new thread, man
    Would say good call on the 2nd post in this thread though, nice prediction there.
    Wouldnt call total fail on GOA yet though, im giving them 2 days, its beta after all.



     

    Sorry mate :( I should really start a new post I know, but tbh I can't be @ssed bothering, think I'm going to forget about it till Tuesday as I said before, no matter what they do, with so many people trying to update their accounts, the servers are just going to keep crashing, for me it just proves one thing, that Europe got cheap @ssed servers as always we come bottom of the priority list.

    Oh well I'll give it a few more tries, then once before bed, then will forget it till Tuesday.

    Sorry for this bump :P

    *edit*

    I hate when I don't re-read before posting, dam spelling mistakes >G

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