I'm not sure what they would be scared of. AoC can't even be played by the majority of WoW's users based on system specs alone. Hell, over half of its US fanbase weren't even MMOer's before WoW...and they all probably grit teeth when they realized they had to pay monthly. You can bet even less of THEM will be forking over tons of cash for upgrades. After that you have to remove all of the eastern players...none of which will be one iota impressed by AoC's pretty.
The only people WoW stands to lose are the PC elite. Not exactly a terrifying figure if you are being honest with yourself. I'm sure its plenty to score Funcom a profit and all...but lets no go shooting over the limits suggesting WoW players have anything to fear from it. Most of all...its not all that "different" from WoW's gameplay. So, even among the elite, you have to remove those players of which whom are tired of the raiding treadmill.
Well...I guess you don't have to remove ALL of them. Some will still play it because no other game is really innovating this genre yet either, and AoC has better combat (so I'm told). I'm sure there are at least SOME people who will pay for "slightly less stinking" crap....lord knows thats all WoW is. It DOES have the advantage of stinking less...AND being able to be played on ancient machines.
Lol, all the wow fanbois act like WoW launched with 8 million people. It took them 3 years to hit that mark, give AoC time and the fears will become a reality.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
Just letting you guys know, WoW has been TANKING in player numbers. There are only about 6 million players total that are actively playing, down from that 10.7 million.
Looking at the NA sub numbers there are over 3 million total active players, however less than half of those (1,559,484) are level 70s.
I believe it goes by 30-90 day old reports, so this is all BEFORE AoC.
P.S- Yes WoW Census is quite reliable, not to mention the fact that we are talking about large numbers (millions/thousands) where you do not have to have the tens down to get the picture.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
Numbers...people get to caught up in them. Anyone remember how many copies the Sims sold for the past years on end? I don't think anyone here played those or would say "Omg! That game MUST be good because it has millions of players". Numbers aren't everything usually.
Numbers...people get to caught up in them. Anyone remember how many copies the Sims sold for the past years on end? I don't think anyone here played those or would say "Omg! That game MUST be good because it has millions of players". Numbers aren't everything usually.
Actually, The Sims (2 series, which I assume you are talking about) is an awesome game. I have all of the expansions and stuff packs for it, and a sub to a player community for mods. Initially WoW was a great game as well and the numbers did represent that. Now, as indicated by my prior post in this thread, WoW is going downhill in quality- as are the active player numbers. 4.7 million players lost somewhere? Ouch!
So numbers do matter. Don't worry though, AoC seems to be doing quite well from what I can tell. Give it a bit of time.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
It's early on and I'm sure AoC subscriptions will grow significantly. A lot of people I know are waiting for the first couple of weeks to pass so that things are sorted out from launch. I'd play now but my little corner of North America doesn't even have the game on any store shelves yet - sigh.
Ok This is a relased photo of AoC, I have added some bits to it to point out the faults
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ageofconan2008042000481lq9.jpg 1. Very very bad action bars, if you want to call it those. It is worst then a free MMO. Seriously 2. The graphics..... Are not that good I have seen much better! 3. Obviously there are no raids or hardcore PvP, becouse it will be inpossible to raid with that group UI and those health bars 4. I have read somewere that the game takes a BEAST of a computer to play at an acceptable FPS, weather this is true or not it another thing but I for one think its belivable Overall there better be a damn good PvP/Raid system and the classes better be 100% balenced, becouse I personaly could not play a game with that sort of UI..... If you want a game go play Generic Free MMO #10347 Becouse it is better then this excuse of a game The only reason they have developed this is get money from everyone that goes out and buys it on the first day thinking it will be the best, Then they will give up on it and keep the money, A similer thing happened with Fury, if you remember it And to all posts here saying "Lol its only in beta u must be a fan boi" and "They will fix this, this is only beta" The game is 1 Month away from releasing. They cannot completly redesign the UI, and fix the effects and graphics problems in 1 month, The game will ship like this. Blizzard has nothing to worry about The End
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Thanks for the post, Let me say this, the only reason WoW has a huge player base, is because its the only functional game 1-70 that doesnt have as many problems as its competition. AOC has been out for a couple of days and has 300k+ active subscribers. After the dust settles, the people that prefer skill and customization will be on AOC, and the others who just want to get on and just wait for heroics and drops so they can raid can go back to WoW. AOC has a good future, WoW's future was screwed up ever since they released TBC (The Burning Crusade) and then decided to raise the level range again to 80, meaning all your great epics count for nothing and your back at the whole repetetive lets do this gear grinding again. AOC will be the next best game for a long time to come, Warhammer may be its equal if they dont screw it up, my friend in War's beta so far says he doesnt like where they are going with it, but only time will tell.
Numbers...people get to caught up in them. Anyone remember how many copies the Sims sold for the past years on end? I don't think anyone here played those or would say "Omg! That game MUST be good because it has millions of players". Numbers aren't everything usually.
Number aren't everything, but they ARE something.
You cannot say The Sims is a terrible game despite its stellar sales. That just doesn't make any sense. The purpose of a game is to entertain, and there is no way in the world you would see that many people buying a game that didn't entertain them.
At times, I LOVE The Sims and can play it for hours and days. At other times, I can't believe I ever wasted so much time on it. Overall, though, I have to say it's very good at what it sets out to do.
No game is going to appeal to everyone, but you can't say it's bad just because it doesn't appeal to you.
I personally don't like Guild Wars at all, but I know it's good at what it does, and part of the reason I know that is because a lot of people who enjoy PvP think it's great.
Originally posted by Enigma why do you feel the need to quote a WoW post if you are confidant that AoC will be successful? And, who the hell cares if WoW is better or if AoC is better. Just play the game that you like. This thread reminds me of two rival high school cheerleading teams poking fun with each other and not seeing the imperfections within their own squad.
I think you misunderstood me....i just found it funny...and wanted to share it with the world
Numbers...people get to caught up in them. Anyone remember how many copies the Sims sold for the past years on end? I don't think anyone here played those or would say "Omg! That game MUST be good because it has millions of players". Numbers aren't everything usually.
Number aren't everything, but they ARE something.
You cannot say The Sims is a terrible game despite its stellar sales. That just doesn't make any sense. The purpose of a game is to entertain, and there is no way in the world you would see that many people buying a game that didn't entertain them.
At times, I LOVE The Sims and can play it for hours and days. At other times, I can't believe I ever wasted so much time on it. Overall, though, I have to say it's very good at what it sets out to do.
No game is going to appeal to everyone, but you can't say it's bad just because it doesn't appeal to you.
I personally don't like Guild Wars at all, but I know it's good at what it does, and part of the reason I know that is because a lot of people who enjoy PvP think it's great.
The point was numbers don't equate to quality. My original post was actually backing AoC, maybe it just didn't come off that way. Everyone today thinks if X game has X numbers more then the other game it must be better. I know 8 million Asians will disagree with me, but when the "next gen" EQ came out after EQ I stuck with UO because I personally thought it offered much more even after some of the crap they put in before EQ came out.
Who cares, AoC will carve out a big community for itself and WoW will still have a huge amount of players. Niether of the 2 are going to kill each other.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
Just letting you guys know, WoW has been TANKING in player numbers. There are only about 6 million players total that are actively playing, down from that 10.7 million.
Looking at the NA sub numbers there are over 3 million total active players, however less than half of those (1,559,484) are level 70s.
I believe it goes by 30-90 day old reports, so this is all BEFORE AoC.
P.S- Yes WoW Census is quite reliable, not to mention the fact that we are talking about large numbers (millions/thousands) where you do not have to have the tens down to get the picture.
What? That's just US and Euro. Not China, Korea, etc. Also, it's just characters logged in within the last 30 days levels 10 and up. Not that I'm defending wow here, I just think that maybe you're not clear on what the numbers represent.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Who cares, AoC will carve out a big community for itself and WoW will still have a huge amount of players. Niether of the 2 are going to kill each other. Garrik
Agreed.
Considering how long people held onto Everquest accounts because they "put too much time in to leave", the loyal WoW players aren't going anywhere.
Does AoC really have 300,000 subscribers right now? If so, what I had in mind was totally wrong!
Can't find any real numbers maybe someone can post a link. I hope the game does well cause it is awesome. Although I hope wow still does great too, I don't understand why everyone wants wow to fail it's kind of sad.
Ok..What Im going to say is real. I think that that AOC is NOT a WOW killer, and, I never , EVER played WOW. Im not going to say why (its not important to this), but I have several friends and a brother who play it (like hardcore way)and several (including my brother) belong to WOW guilds. Last weekend several of my friends and MY brother apeared with the same talk: "Man! Age of Conan! WTF is going on? Lots of people in our guild are having a time break to play it! WTF!! Is it really good??! We dont have enough people to do the raids in the next weeks!!"
This is true! Im not teling you a lie! I know that im a little person and that this guilds are maybe small, but...just but...what if is hapening everywhere?
I'm not exactly sure using anything from the WoW official forums as an argument against anything is really valid. I'm finding a really surprisingly large amount of the community is really... immature? I'm not sure if that's harsh enough to describe it. Just very immature is all I can think of, I'm sure there's a better synonym out there but my brain isn't exactly working to the best of it's abilities right now.
Like others said, neither is going to kill the other. Both completely different audiences. It's like trying to compare EVE to LOTRO... just way too different types of players. And when you get to a point where you're trying to appeal to both audiences the game is bound to fail. Gladly I'm seeing less and less appeal to the WoW players the farther the game moves along.
Tbh does anyone really want the WoW community in this game...? I would think it's a good thing if the game didn't get this population. It's larger, yes, but overall less enjoyment for much of the community that doesn't prefer "PWNED SUXXOR". I figured AoC was focusing on this with all these obviously different traits from WoW (of course, with some things from WoW added in as well) it isn't going for that audience... unlike OTHER games coming out this year... you all know which I'm talking about. I'd rather play with 2 friends than 5 or 6 idiots...
as long as there are enough players where it actually feels like an "MMO" then I don't care how many subscribers there are. As long as they aren't idiots... and since many of the WoW players are seeming to want to stick to WoW, just better for the people like me who dislike that community.
What? That's just US and Euro. Not China, Korea, etc. Also, it's just characters logged in within the last 30 days levels 10 and up. Not that I'm defending wow here, I just think that maybe you're not clear on what the numbers represent.
You're right, it didn't include china et al. So possibly there are more than 6 million actively playing in the Grand Total. However all of the other statistics remain true, and those are the ones that anybody here actually cares about anyway.
For example, and I'll reiterate, there are just over 1.5 million active level 70s in North America. Yes, only those in the last 30 days are counted... which would constitute 'active', which is the point. The 70s bracket is hands-down the best way to judge the active player pop. by, and even that is going to be over-inflated at this stage of the game (pun intended). People have several 70 alts that they play, and lower level characters are most likely alts too.
So taking that into consideration, WoW is tanking in a special way. Again I'll mention the fact that these stats generally pre-date the bite that AoC took out of it. WoW really IS dying, for real-real, this time.
Edit: Is 2.4.2 out yet? The one where you have to buy BG gear with ARENA points? If not, expect a hell of a lot more people to quit over that one. Yeah.
___________________ Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
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the best thing on that thread is someone said " about the same quality of graphics as wow"
I'm not sure what they would be scared of. AoC can't even be played by the majority of WoW's users based on system specs alone. Hell, over half of its US fanbase weren't even MMOer's before WoW...and they all probably grit teeth when they realized they had to pay monthly. You can bet even less of THEM will be forking over tons of cash for upgrades. After that you have to remove all of the eastern players...none of which will be one iota impressed by AoC's pretty.
The only people WoW stands to lose are the PC elite. Not exactly a terrifying figure if you are being honest with yourself. I'm sure its plenty to score Funcom a profit and all...but lets no go shooting over the limits suggesting WoW players have anything to fear from it. Most of all...its not all that "different" from WoW's gameplay. So, even among the elite, you have to remove those players of which whom are tired of the raiding treadmill.
Well...I guess you don't have to remove ALL of them. Some will still play it because no other game is really innovating this genre yet either, and AoC has better combat (so I'm told). I'm sure there are at least SOME people who will pay for "slightly less stinking" crap....lord knows thats all WoW is. It DOES have the advantage of stinking less...AND being able to be played on ancient machines.
Lol, all the wow fanbois act like WoW launched with 8 million people. It took them 3 years to hit that mark, give AoC time and the fears will become a reality.
Just letting you guys know, WoW has been TANKING in player numbers. There are only about 6 million players total that are actively playing, down from that 10.7 million.
Looking at the NA sub numbers there are over 3 million total active players, however less than half of those (1,559,484) are level 70s.
Source: WoW Census ; http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-2&factionid=-1&minlevel=70&maxlevel=70&servertypeid=-1
I believe it goes by 30-90 day old reports, so this is all BEFORE AoC.
P.S- Yes WoW Census is quite reliable, not to mention the fact that we are talking about large numbers (millions/thousands) where you do not have to have the tens down to get the picture.
___________________
Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
Numbers...people get to caught up in them. Anyone remember how many copies the Sims sold for the past years on end? I don't think anyone here played those or would say "Omg! That game MUST be good because it has millions of players". Numbers aren't everything usually.
Actually, The Sims (2 series, which I assume you are talking about) is an awesome game. I have all of the expansions and stuff packs for it, and a sub to a player community for mods. Initially WoW was a great game as well and the numbers did represent that. Now, as indicated by my prior post in this thread, WoW is going downhill in quality- as are the active player numbers. 4.7 million players lost somewhere? Ouch!
So numbers do matter. Don't worry though, AoC seems to be doing quite well from what I can tell. Give it a bit of time.
___________________
Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/
It's early on and I'm sure AoC subscriptions will grow significantly. A lot of people I know are waiting for the first couple of weeks to pass so that things are sorted out from launch. I'd play now but my little corner of North America doesn't even have the game on any store shelves yet - sigh.
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Thanks for the post, Let me say this, the only reason WoW has a huge player base, is because its the only functional game 1-70 that doesnt have as many problems as its competition. AOC has been out for a couple of days and has 300k+ active subscribers. After the dust settles, the people that prefer skill and customization will be on AOC, and the others who just want to get on and just wait for heroics and drops so they can raid can go back to WoW. AOC has a good future, WoW's future was screwed up ever since they released TBC (The Burning Crusade) and then decided to raise the level range again to 80, meaning all your great epics count for nothing and your back at the whole repetetive lets do this gear grinding again. AOC will be the next best game for a long time to come, Warhammer may be its equal if they dont screw it up, my friend in War's beta so far says he doesnt like where they are going with it, but only time will tell.
Number aren't everything, but they ARE something.
You cannot say The Sims is a terrible game despite its stellar sales. That just doesn't make any sense. The purpose of a game is to entertain, and there is no way in the world you would see that many people buying a game that didn't entertain them.
At times, I LOVE The Sims and can play it for hours and days. At other times, I can't believe I ever wasted so much time on it. Overall, though, I have to say it's very good at what it sets out to do.
No game is going to appeal to everyone, but you can't say it's bad just because it doesn't appeal to you.
I personally don't like Guild Wars at all, but I know it's good at what it does, and part of the reason I know that is because a lot of people who enjoy PvP think it's great.
I think you misunderstood me....i just found it funny...and wanted to share it with the world
Number aren't everything, but they ARE something.
You cannot say The Sims is a terrible game despite its stellar sales. That just doesn't make any sense. The purpose of a game is to entertain, and there is no way in the world you would see that many people buying a game that didn't entertain them.
At times, I LOVE The Sims and can play it for hours and days. At other times, I can't believe I ever wasted so much time on it. Overall, though, I have to say it's very good at what it sets out to do.
No game is going to appeal to everyone, but you can't say it's bad just because it doesn't appeal to you.
I personally don't like Guild Wars at all, but I know it's good at what it does, and part of the reason I know that is because a lot of people who enjoy PvP think it's great.
The point was numbers don't equate to quality. My original post was actually backing AoC, maybe it just didn't come off that way. Everyone today thinks if X game has X numbers more then the other game it must be better. I know 8 million Asians will disagree with me, but when the "next gen" EQ came out after EQ I stuck with UO because I personally thought it offered much more even after some of the crap they put in before EQ came out.
Let the haters keep talking while their server populations plummet, and turn into ghost towns.
Who cares, AoC will carve out a big community for itself and WoW will still have a huge amount of players. Niether of the 2 are going to kill each other.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
Actually I like the UI very much, simplistic and not in the way... exacly as the UI should be
Does AoC really have 300,000 subscribers right now? If so, what I had in mind was totally wrong!
What? That's just US and Euro. Not China, Korea, etc. Also, it's just characters logged in within the last 30 days levels 10 and up. Not that I'm defending wow here, I just think that maybe you're not clear on what the numbers represent.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Agreed.
Considering how long people held onto Everquest accounts because they "put too much time in to leave", the loyal WoW players aren't going anywhere.
Can't find any real numbers maybe someone can post a link. I hope the game does well cause it is awesome. Although I hope wow still does great too, I don't understand why everyone wants wow to fail it's kind of sad.
Ok..What Im going to say is real. I think that that AOC is NOT a WOW killer, and, I never , EVER played WOW. Im not going to say why (its not important to this), but I have several friends and a brother who play it (like hardcore way)and several (including my brother) belong to WOW guilds. Last weekend several of my friends and MY brother apeared with the same talk: "Man! Age of Conan! WTF is going on? Lots of people in our guild are having a time break to play it! WTF!! Is it really good??! We dont have enough people to do the raids in the next weeks!!"
This is true! Im not teling you a lie! I know that im a little person and that this guilds are maybe small, but...just but...what if is hapening everywhere?
I'm not exactly sure using anything from the WoW official forums as an argument against anything is really valid. I'm finding a really surprisingly large amount of the community is really... immature? I'm not sure if that's harsh enough to describe it. Just very immature is all I can think of, I'm sure there's a better synonym out there but my brain isn't exactly working to the best of it's abilities right now.
Like others said, neither is going to kill the other. Both completely different audiences. It's like trying to compare EVE to LOTRO... just way too different types of players. And when you get to a point where you're trying to appeal to both audiences the game is bound to fail. Gladly I'm seeing less and less appeal to the WoW players the farther the game moves along.
Tbh does anyone really want the WoW community in this game...? I would think it's a good thing if the game didn't get this population. It's larger, yes, but overall less enjoyment for much of the community that doesn't prefer "PWNED SUXXOR". I figured AoC was focusing on this with all these obviously different traits from WoW (of course, with some things from WoW added in as well) it isn't going for that audience... unlike OTHER games coming out this year... you all know which I'm talking about. I'd rather play with 2 friends than 5 or 6 idiots...
as long as there are enough players where it actually feels like an "MMO" then I don't care how many subscribers there are. As long as they aren't idiots... and since many of the WoW players are seeming to want to stick to WoW, just better for the people like me who dislike that community.
What? That's just US and Euro. Not China, Korea, etc. Also, it's just characters logged in within the last 30 days levels 10 and up. Not that I'm defending wow here, I just think that maybe you're not clear on what the numbers represent.
You're right, it didn't include china et al. So possibly there are more than 6 million actively playing in the Grand Total. However all of the other statistics remain true, and those are the ones that anybody here actually cares about anyway.
For example, and I'll reiterate, there are just over 1.5 million active level 70s in North America. Yes, only those in the last 30 days are counted... which would constitute 'active', which is the point. The 70s bracket is hands-down the best way to judge the active player pop. by, and even that is going to be over-inflated at this stage of the game (pun intended). People have several 70 alts that they play, and lower level characters are most likely alts too.
So taking that into consideration, WoW is tanking in a special way. Again I'll mention the fact that these stats generally pre-date the bite that AoC took out of it. WoW really IS dying, for real-real, this time.
Edit: Is 2.4.2 out yet? The one where you have to buy BG gear with ARENA points? If not, expect a hell of a lot more people to quit over that one. Yeah.
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/13/