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Does AoC graphics make WAR's graphics look dated?

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  • pundopundo Member Posts: 7

    Well you dont need a monster comp to play AoC. The game still looks amazing on low settings.  Then again you always wonder what it would look like in high settings. Point is that nowadays game tend to demand better computers. Games like crysis, bioshock etc. WoW graphics is outdated. If you cant afford to upgrade, you can always wait  for the x-box version. I seriously doubt that blizzard/vivendi's next project galazxy of warcraft is gonna run on today's average computers..

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by pundo


     I seriously doubt that blizzard/vivendi's next project galazxy of warcraft is gonna run on today's average computers..
    It will.  Blizzard wouldn't be dumb to suddenly cut 3/4 of their play base by making another MMO they couldn't play!  Many ppl tend to have 2+ MMO subs in recent yrs since they don't tend to offer as much time and depth as they once did.  Blizzard knows they have succeeded cause they designed a game that everyone can play, even on a $400 Wal-Mart pre-built PC.

    I have 3 different subs atm, cuase I'm at the cap in each, but still like to pop in from time to time and see how the guild and others are doing and offer help. 

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    A good MMO will have a scalable engine that will be able to handle all the latest toys of directX 10, while maintaining a decent gameplay for garbage bin PCs. It's hard but that's the ideal situation.

    Ideal situation for us gamers is not making a game with dated graphics engine from the get-go. An engine that will become a dynosaur just a couple years down the line is not what I would expect from a fresh release. We have plenty of good games with dated engines, a new dynasaur is not needed.

    WAR will need a graphics engine on ultra-high at least on par with LOTRO if it's planning on becoming a freshly released good game (I'm not getting into the fun factor, I consider that a given), that we will keep on playing for the years to come..

  • Mentor73Mentor73 Member Posts: 107

    Khrymson - as funny as WAR = WOW Extended ;) or WOWDAC

    elvenangel - again, you are just guessing, with no real base to back your arguments.

    I can atleast say/write, AOC is top seller on some online retailers: play, game, amazon.com, it seems sold out on amazon.co.uk ... should i post screenies?

    And thats only on first day.

    zorndorf ...like WAR looks better on low settings hehe. What else will you find to bash AOC? Cmon.

    Of course I wish WAR same successful start ... when it comes.

     

  • RetradRetrad Member UncommonPosts: 274

    Originally posted by Mentor73


    Khrymson - as funny as WAR = WOW Extended ;) or WOWDAC
    elvenangel - again, you are just guessing, with no real base to back your arguments.
    I can atleast say/write, AOC is top seller on some online retailers: play, game, amazon.com, it seems sold out on amazon.co.uk ... should i post screenies?
    And thats only on first day.
    zorndorf ...like WAR looks better on low settings hehe. What else will you find to bash AOC? Cmon.
    Of course I wish WAR same successful start ... when it comes.
     

    Are you an idiot or a real bad troll?

    Please, enlighten me how Warhammer is WoW extended considering the Warhammer universe was around about 20yrs+ before Warcraft. Please....PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE!

    Who cares if AoC is the top seller at some online retailers and sold out at amazon? Is it sold out at all retailers world wide both online and real life? Is it the top selling game to date? So far AoC has a lower subscription number than EQ1 had at its peak which was about 500k+ subscribers. Hell if we're going to base how good a game is by its sales then AoC is so far a failure since it hasn't come close to WoW sales.

    I'm not a fan of WoW, but AoC is a step backwards. The graphics are great, but the game play is shit. Instanced zones, and a glorified Alterac Valley battleground for 48v48 guild seige PvP....wtf is one to do if your guild has more than 48 members?

    "Sorry guys but we can only take 48 of you. The other 20 will have to sit out."

     

    As far as are WARs graphics out dated compared to AoC, the answer is NO.

    They are two different aspects when it comes to art. WAR will require a better computer to run it than WoW does. While WARs graphics are not as realistic as AoC's, the art is still very well down...almost gothic and it will require 2g of ram and a good graphics card.

    Also, the reason behind choosing such a style of art for WAR is based on the Warhammer universe. This is how it has looked for over 20 years. I never played the table top game, but I've seen people play it when I was a kid and plaid MTG at my local gaming store.

    The art/graphics of WAR is really good. They have enough realism and fantasy balanced out and even a mix of a sort of gothic style to it all.

  • elvenangelelvenangel Member Posts: 2,205

     

    Originally posted by Mentor73


    Khrymson - as funny as WAR = WOW Extended ;) or WOWDAC
    elvenangel - again, you are just guessing, with no real base to back your arguments.
    I can atleast say/write, AOC is top seller on some online retailers: play, game, amazon.com, it seems sold out on amazon.co.uk ... should i post screenies?
    And thats only on first day.
    zorndorf ...like WAR looks better on low settings hehe. What else will you find to bash AOC? Cmon.
    Of course I wish WAR same successful start ... when it comes.
     

    No one has denied that AoC is a top seller but people are claiming 'its sold out" when its not..the CE most definitly is and its an impressive number.  But the standard? I can go anywhere and buy about 20 copies right now.

     

    Having Experienced the Issues and Limitations with heavily graphical focused MMOS in the past...my OPINION that its subscriber numbers will never stay over 200k  maybe 300k stands.

    I never claimed my number count was fact btw so kiss off :)

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  • Mentor73Mentor73 Member Posts: 107

    retrad cool off. Sweet irony. Not even WAR will beat WOW, if it gets 1 milion, thats allready a success.

    End before Warhammer we had LOTR, with elves and dwarfs and such. So whats the point. And as such a player with all the  knowledge  about MMORPG's, you have to know, that this is not the end product and between their lifspan all MMORPG's evolve.  

    elvenangel ...  amazon, play and game are for you some people? Enlighten me please. And from my experience hardware in past years evolved more then games/game engines (except Crysis of course). Hardware is not so much of an issue anymore.

    We will see many boxes of WAR. Don't worry, you will be able to buy even more then 20 boxes.   

    Of course when it comes.

     

  • BadSpockBadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 7,979

    I'd rather have 400 players on screen sieging a capital city in perfect high FPS (frames per second) glory instead of lagging like mad when 3 people are on screen ala AoC...

    I'd rather have open world large scale PvP seiging then instanced guild vs. guild sieging on some crappy window of attack system so the uber guild can horde their l33t cities...

    Gameplay > Graphics

    What you people have to realize is that WAR's graphics are "stylized" to fit the IP from GamesWorkshop.

    Just like WoW is stylized to fit the Warcraft IP.

    Shiny graphics engines are not > everything people.

  • RetradRetrad Member UncommonPosts: 274

    Originally posted by Mentor73


    retrad cool off. Sweet irony. Not even WAR will beat WOW, if it gets 1 milion, thats allready a success.
    End before Warhammer we had LOTR, with elves and dwarfs and such. So whats the point. And as such a player with all the  knowledge  about MMORPG's, you have to know, that this is not the end product and between their lifspan all MMORPG's evolve.  
    elvenangel ...  amazon, play and game are for you some people? Enlighten me please. And from my experience hardware in past years evolved more then games/game engines (except Crysis of course). Hardware is not so much of an issue anymore.
    We will see many boxes of WAR. Don't worry, you will be able to buy even more then 20 boxes.   
    Of course when it comes.
     
     

    You failed to answer my question about your claim as to how WAR is WoW Extended. I'm still waiting for your answer....and can't wait to laugh at it.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060

    Originally posted by vingvega

    Originally posted by hellsmasker


    sure thing but what are good graphic when half of population cant afford paying 1500-2000 dollars for a descent comp to make the game run smooth? im sure theyll loose lot of people only because of that so maybe it is only a matter of "marketing" thingy :)



    Then they should buy consoles and play their games and leave computer gaming to the people who can afford gaming machines.

    But then that would limit the number of a subscribers to a much smaller player base, which is almost never the goal of a MMORPG developer.

    Leave the elitism at the door.

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  • Mentor73Mentor73 Member Posts: 107

    retrad ... your problem if u dont understand irony. We will see more comparison between WAR and WOW, i hope you are well prepared for all the WOW players when WAR comes out.  

    heerobaya me too ... but we will see when WAR comes out how will handle 400 players.  Fall for now, if I'm right. BTW, capital sieges will have some instances, correct me if i'm wrong.

    quote: " Please note that the city siege itself will be population limited (size to be determined) and could play out over several different instances."

     

  • RetradRetrad Member UncommonPosts: 274

     

    Originally posted by Mentor73


    retrad ... your problem if u dont understand irony. We will see more comparison between WAR and WOW, i hope you are well prepared for all the WOW players when WAR comes out.  
    heerobaya me too ... but we will see when WAR comes out how will handle 400 players.  Fall for now, if I'm right. BTW, capital sieges will have some instances, correct me if i'm wrong.
    quote: " Please note that the city siege itself will be population limited (size to be determined) and could play out over several different instances."
     

     

    Dodge it more, troll.

    You can't give me an answer because you don't have one. Way to prove me right.

     

    And I'll correct you in the fact that there are no instances in capital seiges.

  • elvenangelelvenangel Member Posts: 2,205

    calm down Retrad .. Mentor is either yes trolling or ... just completely bonkers....I mean did you see his reply to my post? It had nothing to do at all with what i was talkinga bout..here I am talking about software and he's talking about hardware completely ignorant of the fact of reality lol.  But whatever.  He's not worth it...I'm not doubting AoC at all but I am doubting the "its gonna be King" mentality some of its devote followers have.

    btw If i can buy AoC anywhere that pretty much proves the point that its not sold out.  go to GAmestop they have tons! :)

    While AoC guilds can enjoy their 48 vs 48 fights in the Borderlands area.... this coming fall me and the realm of my choosing will be rockign a couple hundred vs a couple hundred fights where ever the hell we want.

    six copies of AoC CE already on resale


     

     

    http://www.amazon.com/Age-Conan-Hyborian-Adventures-Collectors/dp/B000V1OUTU/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1211565992&sr=8-2

    plenty of regular edtions available at amazon

    http://www.amazon.com/Age-Conan-Hyborian-Adventures-Collectors/dp/B000V1OUTU/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1211565992&sr=8-2

    Gamestop

    http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=646875

    EVEN WALMART

    http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7788977

     

    the CE may be out but the standard is not which means alot of that 700,000 copies that went out to distrubtors are sitting on retail store shelves still.

    The impressive numbers of the CE and whatever they do over seas is definitly a big plus for AoC but it doesn't make it super omgfucking yay yet since its still in the free trial month.

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  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Too bad I didn't have my camera on me, but I was at my local Best Buy this morning and there were 2 CE's of AoC on the shelf there and about 100+ copies of the normal edition!

    Claims that the CE are sold out must be false!

     

    Also if you check EBay, there are quite a few there for sale still!  Yes I understand they're counting those as sold to a person trying to resell them for much more and for a profit, but some of those places are still an online store owned by someone so technically they're not all sold out yet!

  • AcesplayedAcesplayed Member Posts: 182

    Games in beta always have crap graphics in he begining,besides  a game like WAR with huge sieges AoC type graphics wouldnt work so great unless it was instanced and we dont want that.

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  • demented669demented669 Member Posts: 402

    the beta graphs for war are just that beta look at any video the shadows are just dots under the characters so you cant say there dated couse no one has seen the end product yet

  • NasirJNasirJ Member UncommonPosts: 164
    Originally posted by Acesplayed


    Games in beta always have crap graphics in he begining,besides  a game like WAR with huge sieges AoC type graphics wouldnt work so great unless it was instanced and we dont want that.
    In case you dindt know

    Actually AoC had decent graphics through most of the beta, polished up towards the end of course and currently sieges are set for 48x48 with room to add more players.

  • xeno2k1xeno2k1 Member Posts: 21

    All i can say  Gameplay b4 graphics IMO.

    Aoc is a decent game , i own it.

    however i will wait to resub 6 months down the road....Why?

    Well cause mythic did a great job with daoc  they learned alot about RVR/pvp with classic servers

    call me a fanboi I dont give a flying f,,,,

     

    I just want a game with  content, not running mish and reading paragraphs of lore/quest shit

     

     

     

    end of line

     

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  • AcesplayedAcesplayed Member Posts: 182
    Originally posted by Nasir64

    Originally posted by Acesplayed


    Games in beta always have crap graphics in he begining,besides  a game like WAR with huge sieges AoC type graphics wouldnt work so great unless it was instanced and we dont want that.
    In case you dindt know

    Actually AoC had decent graphics through most of the beta, polished up towards the end of course and currently sieges are set for 48x48 with room to add more players.

    Of course AoC is going to have better graphics in beta they are totally different engines AoCs beta is going to look better then WARS beta because AoCs engine was ment to be made into a much more realistic lifelike game.(Singleplayer)

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  • NasirJNasirJ Member UncommonPosts: 164
    Originally posted by Acesplayed

    Originally posted by Nasir64

    Originally posted by Acesplayed


    Games in beta always have crap graphics in he begining,besides  a game like WAR with huge sieges AoC type graphics wouldnt work so great unless it was instanced and we dont want that.
    In case you dindt know

    Actually AoC had decent graphics through most of the beta, polished up towards the end of course and currently sieges are set for 48x48 with room to add more players.

    Of course AoC is going to have better graphics in beta they are totally different engines AoCs beta is going to look better then WARS beta because AoCs engine was ment to be made into a much more realistic lifelike game.(Singleplayer)

    AoC's beta will look better then WARs final. I don't see WAR getting much of an upgrade besides some shadows. They just recently put lighting in which didn't do much.....

  • spizzspizz Member UncommonPosts: 1,971

     

    Originally posted by noblot


    I have been comparing Age of Conan graphics against WAR's. My conclusion is that WAR's graphics are looking "dated" by comparison.

    As a long time DAoC player, I have always like Mythics "muted" graphics; however putting up AoC and LoTR against WAR's current crop of screen shots, I get the feeling that they are not up to the same standard.

    Obviously there is time for a bit of posh; however do we think this game is going to come off as second best in the graphics stakes?

    And for that matter, will WAR success be hampered, should the game ship with out "super model" appearence?

     

     

    AoC is an instance game dont forget that and thats why they have more potential for better graphics, you cant have both when it comes to high end graphic. The content is by far more important !

  • Ascension08Ascension08 Member Posts: 1,980
    Originally posted by noblot


    I have been comparing Age of Conan graphics against WAR's. My conclusion is that WAR's graphics are looking "dated" by comparison.

    As a long time DAoC player, I have always like Mythics "muted" graphics; however putting up AoC and LoTR against WAR's current crop of screen shots, I get the feeling that they are not up to the same standard.

    Obviously there is time for a bit of posh; however do we think this game is going to come off as second best in the graphics stakes?

    And for that matter, will WAR success be hampered, should the game ship with out "super model" appearence?



    You have not seen WAR's graphics. You've seen the skeleton of the graphics system. No lighting, no shadows, no high res textures, no polished animations. Don't even try to compare them now.

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  • AcesplayedAcesplayed Member Posts: 182
    Originally posted by Nasir64

    Originally posted by Acesplayed

    Originally posted by Nasir64

    Originally posted by Acesplayed


    Games in beta always have crap graphics in he begining,besides  a game like WAR with huge sieges AoC type graphics wouldnt work so great unless it was instanced and we dont want that.
    In case you dindt know

    Actually AoC had decent graphics through most of the beta, polished up towards the end of course and currently sieges are set for 48x48 with room to add more players.

    Of course AoC is going to have better graphics in beta they are totally different engines AoCs beta is going to look better then WARS beta because AoCs engine was ment to be made into a much more realistic lifelike game.(Singleplayer)

    AoC's beta will look better then WARs final. I don't see WAR getting much of an upgrade besides some shadows. They just recently put lighting in which didn't do much.....

    Again you cant compare and say AoCs graphics is better then WaRs one uses a realistic lifelike engine, one uses a more cartoon gothic like engine 2 different engines so ones engine may be better then the other In what they want their game to look like but usually AoCs engine is of course going to be more demanding being a realistic game.

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  • RetradRetrad Member UncommonPosts: 274

    Originally posted by Nasir64

    Originally posted by Acesplayed


    Games in beta always have crap graphics in he begining,besides  a game like WAR with huge sieges AoC type graphics wouldnt work so great unless it was instanced and we dont want that.
    In case you dindt know

    Actually AoC had decent graphics through most of the beta, polished up towards the end of course and currently sieges are set for 48x48 with room to add more players.

    The "room for improvement" mentality does not sell, if you haven't noticed.

    I don't want to buy a game that makes a promise to do something in the future because a promise is not set in stone. Look at WoW for instance. There were supposed to be Hero classes for all classes and unique to each one. Then they scrapped that. Then they came back and added Death Knight....FOR EVERY CLASS!

    I don't want to PvP in a glorified AV that has room for improvement by adding more numbers.

    No. What I want is to attack my opposing guilds keep any time I feel like it in the game world. Not in a damn instance.

  • DemonhordeDemonhorde Member Posts: 15

    OF COURCE IT DOES! a dx9 game vs a next gen dx10 top end dx9 game. But graphics aint everything. Im playing AoC now and it will take a small miracle for me to change. But I still have high hopes for RvR if its as fun as people say heck i might try it, and change to WAR may the best game win my subscription

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