The main problem as I see it is that every single expansion and content patch invalidates the work you did prior to them. Take honor gained items for instance, while honor is easy to get, it takes time to do so and every few months those items get upgrade but you have to grind the same honor you did for the previous item again for a few more item points. Then an expansion comes out that makes the work you did prior to it pointless since they upgrade starter gear in the new zones to top tier epics in the old zones.
This is the very definition of MMO. I think you will find this is not a Warcraft-exclusive issue.
This is the very definition of MMO. I think you will find this is not a Warcraft-exclusive issue.
Not at all. Some MMO invalidates 10% of your works, some invalidates 50%, but WoW invalidates 90%.
MMO played (paid): AION DragonRaja Dungeons & Dragons Online Lineage Lineage 2 Tibia Ultima Online Warhammer Online World of Warcraft
MMO tried: Atlantica Online Darkfall Dead Frontier Dungeon Runners EverQuest Lord of the Rings Online Monster Hunter Frontier Online Ragnarok Online Requiem Runes of Magic Runescape The 4th Coming
Originally posted by Numquam One mans fun is another mans misery, and the problem with WoW is that every CS and Tekkenplayer is now in it and that Blizzard is pleasing them nonstop, resulting in WoW no longer being a good game for those it was originally intended for - people that enjoys depth. If you want easy, superficial fun - which we all do sometimes - WoW was not originally intended for you. Blizzard maximizing profit has made it so, though.
Now that's just crazy talk, CS and Tekken require way more skill than WoW will ever need.
If you consider the only kind of skill being reflexes and a good bandwidth, indeed. As you get older (assuming you're a kid here) you'll come to understand that there are many sorts of skill and that they're not all about being the faster on and/or the one with the best hand to eye coordination.
Where do you see "skill" mentioned in my previous post, btw? Go back to fps games and let those games suffer from having to please primitive minds such as yours, please
If you consider the only kind of skill being reflexes and a good bandwidth, indeed. As you get older (assuming you're a kid here) you'll come to understand that there are many sorts of skill and that they're not all about being the faster on and/or the one with the best hand to eye coordination. Where do you see "skill" mentioned in my previous post, btw? Go back to fps games and let those games suffer from having to please primitive minds such as yours, please
Making yourself out as superior by puting others down is sooo 5th grade.
I guess what you are looking for is not real time combat and that's a whole diferent set of problems. I think you are loking in the wrong place.
"Everyone who constantly complains about something over and over and over again is obsessed with that something" - Your truly! Clearer meaning everyone who bad mouths or complains about WOW plays it. Face it Blizz makes the best PC games in the world and they will continue to make amazing games.
I don't play it anymore. Certainly it is the best MMORPG on the history but the end game really bores hardcore players (except those working very very hard for arena high rating or world/server first kill and be happy from the glory, but not the from the actual process in the game). It is so successful because it suits casual players which is way more in number than real MMORPG players (nothing bad I could say, if you can satisfied hardcore players as well, but WoW failed at this, that's my conclusion on why so much people complains about WoW on this site, usually people come to this site are relatively more serious on MMORPG). It also has the best support and resource to improved or fix most of the minor things, plus the brand name of Warcraft and Blizzard is attractive to people themselves.
Anyway, it attracted millions of new MMORPG players into the field. When WoW finally comes to an end one day (how long would it be ?), some may not play MMORPG anymore, but others will look for another MMORPG to replace it, so it will help the industry. (although currently it hurts every other in the industry because it is too successfully that people feel that other MMORPGs are relatively crap, not much choices left on the market really)
MMO played (paid): AION DragonRaja Dungeons & Dragons Online Lineage Lineage 2 Tibia Ultima Online Warhammer Online World of Warcraft
MMO tried: Atlantica Online Darkfall Dead Frontier Dungeon Runners EverQuest Lord of the Rings Online Monster Hunter Frontier Online Ragnarok Online Requiem Runes of Magic Runescape The 4th Coming
Now I don't, and I've canceled and deleted the game off my HD after near constant play for 3 years.(well took several breaks here and there, played since launch but total game play is 'bout 3 years)
Why?
Every server I play on is so unfriendly to starting toons whether you know what you're doing or not. People flaming new newbies (as opposed to old newbies?, lol my difference of alts and actual new players ) just for asking questions. (granted, some of them are annoying, like where's mankirks wife?)
Thanks to gold farmers, the economy is borked.
Crafters have gotten the shaft. I mean why bother to make wicked shit when the average shit that drops is better than your best made shit, even some purple recipes are crap compared to a few blue items of the equivalent level I've found.
Pvp retards and their crap about carebears. I've played every MMO out there and I can honestly say that WoW pvp ass-hattery is second only to AoCs ass hats.
Customer service,,, uhh, where? I had an issue where I updated my drivers on my vid card and for some reason it made everything green, turn red. I DID get better performance though, so I asked tech support what I could. I was told to defrag my HD. Uhh,, Ok I've been in the MMO industry as a developer and tech support. Defragging your HD does jack shit to make a game function better. So I lied and said I did, which I technically did do 2 days prior. Then he/she/it asks me to do a couple of other things like uninstall my mods and crap. Uhh, mods ain't gonna fix a graphical glitch caused by me updating my videocard drivers. After a few days I was asked to send them my dxdiag. At the time I was running a little low on ram. Hell WoW would run on a toaster and ran great on my system till I updated. At that point I was blown off because I didn't meet minimum sys requirements for RAM. Uhh,,, (I uninstalled the drivers and the game was back to normal visually, just didnt run as smooth which is why I updated in the first place)
Next CRS story? Me and about a dozen other people were talking about SWG pre-NGE in the barrens. The previous several hours of conversation had been about Chuck Norris and people asking about mankirk and basically typical barrens chat. (this is also an RP server, Kirin Tor) when I get a tell from a GM about talking about out of game stuff. Uhh,, sure, I asked how long he had been listening in and he goes off on me about just doing what I'm told. I asked about Chuck Norris, or about the beastiality talk that was going on earlier that day when I was on my nelf hunter in the newb area, or about the shit talking that was going right at the moment he was talking to me. Appearantly this GM does NOT like SWG.
I did have one good conversation wtih a GM. I think. I deleted a toon and asked for it to be un-deleted if possible. (It's NOT a complicated thing for them, all they have to do is type in the toons name and hit enter and the toon is magically undeleted, it's NOT an ordeal) This GM was speedy quick on answering the ticket, but did so and after the fact acted like I had just asked for him/her/it to wipe my butt with their tongue ZOMGWTFBBQ the pain and anguish of doing your freaking job. (I had a billing issue afterwards and during the course of the conversation I asked how or what they did to undelete toons and got the skinny on it, my billing issue just turned out to be a website issue)
Raiding. I can't stand the attitude that every guild I joined or helped create would take once we started raiding. The raid-tude pissed me of so much I got to where I'd just kick people when they started bitching about DK this, or it's not fair that. Or how co-leaders would freak out over people not showing up, or showing up a little late, or having a life outside the freaking game. After 3 years of playing, and dozens of guilds stretched out across several severs I can honestly say that there is NO friendly raid guilds.
RP-server nazis. ARPEE MAI WAY GAIS OR UR D SUXXORS. A friend of mine writes short stories professionally, he gets payed a metric shit ton of money for it. He made a tauren druid and RP'd all the different forms as a different and unique personality, with the dominant personality- the tauren form being a bit retarded. He wasn't over the top retarded in his play acting but he did a great job. Holy hoppin' hand grenades did he catch shit on the forums.... Uhh,, for roleplaying guild invitations, selling his wares or whatever. Doing what everyone else was doing, just not exactly like they were doing. Anyway the point is this dude could make people cry with his stories, laugh till they puked (these are things he was told in posts after his stories) , basically he was GOOD, but after a few stories the ass hats would tear into him and just start being their name sakes.
The downfall of WoW for me was in general and overall, the community. Pvp servers are full of angst ridden teens, RP servers are full of nazis, guilds once they reach a certain level turn into a job/police state/totalitarian load of BS. The longer I played the more hostile the community got to anyone that didn't do things their way.
WoW was a good game, damn the hours I put into it. Just the rest of the community sucked monkey nuts.
Sadly there is no class balance anymore in this game. If you like to play an offensive caster pls stay away from this game, only choice is to play a healbot or melee. Its really sad when melees doing much more dmg. than casters, have no pushback issues, more HP, more armor and no mana problems. Seriously this game became so shit as an offensive caster, I really cant stand this anymore..
Sadly there is no class balance anymore in this game. If you like to play an offensive caster pls stay away from this game, only choice is to play a healbot or melee. Its really sad when melees doing much more dmg. than casters, have no pushback issues, more HP, more armor and no mana problems. Seriously this game became so shit as an offensive caster, I really cant stand this anymore..
when game gear is new and weak the casters are stronger then melee even naked...when better gear shows up the melee get stronger because of the better weapons...
Remember when sl-sl locks would kill 3-4 ppl in av? and looked like they had plated gear and huge hp? well melees didnt have the weapons to dps down a lock..but now they have...and the armor and hp from warlocks arent much bigger then before...thats how it works..
Its completely impossible to balance the classes...only way they can become almost balanced is if everyone rolls the same class ingame, wears the same gear, has the same ping, and has the same skill playing..that way classes are balanced
I'm not sure what the OP is talking about. WoW has always been the most bashed game on these forums, for one reason or the other. This only recently stopped, since a new game got released, so the haters moved there for now. They will return for a while again, until something else gets released again.
If you played the game in the past and you're considering going back, you'll probably find the familiar gameplay in place. Most of the population however has moved to the Outland, thus the original world is a tad barren. But that's understandable.
The best time to rejoin will probably be sometime before the next expansion is released. Then you will have the time to start a fresh character and catch up everyone else at level 70 going to 80. That should be sometime after summer, depending on your game-time and whether Blizzard will delay the expansion or not.
Classe unbalance? What a laugh. The arena system gives enormous amount of data analysis to the game designer in millions of arena games being played. The classes were never better.
Ever heard of www.sk-gaming.com or realmhistory.net? The data analysis clearly shows that class balance is not ok unless you play a FoTM class (rogue/druid/priest/warrior).
I'm happy for you Zorndorf. You kind of remind my enthusiasm just before the first expansion. Too bad the implementation didn't work (for me) as well as I thought it would.
Funny that some people in this thread mentions WoW as an e-sport, cmon it's a fucking MMORPG and unless you're playing against idiots arena is very luck based. WoW will never be a true e-sport, but blizzard seems to put very much focus around arena (like trying to balance classes around arena) thinking it one day will be a big e-sport and this is what's going to kill the game (atleast the pvp part of it).
Also it's quite sad that people are happy with the arena, it's so much fun fighting in the same little box over and over against 2-5 players. Arena should never have been the main focus of WoW pvp, it should just have been another type of battleground.
Wow is the ONLY MMORPG these days where the players decide HOW they play the game.
...I really can't agree with you for this....WoW looks like having a lot of freedom but actually all you can do in end game is just keep farming honor every seasons (look at those botters) and play arena, or raid(where you follow 1 boss by 1 boss, 1 instance by 1 instance every week, with scheduled working hours).
During level you follow quest by quest too, well you may as well just grind instead of doing quests.
For this point, I really want a new generation built UO.
Originally posted by Zorndorf
Originally posted by woeye
Originally posted by Zorndorf
Classe unbalance? What a laugh. The arena system gives enormous amount of data analysis to the game designer in millions of arena games being played. The classes were never better.
Ever heard of www.sk-gaming.com or realmhistory.net? The data analysis clearly shows that class balance is not ok unless you play a FoTM class (rogue/druid/priest/warrior).
Fully agree.
But he is actually disagree with you.
MMO played (paid): AION DragonRaja Dungeons & Dragons Online Lineage Lineage 2 Tibia Ultima Online Warhammer Online World of Warcraft
MMO tried: Atlantica Online Darkfall Dead Frontier Dungeon Runners EverQuest Lord of the Rings Online Monster Hunter Frontier Online Ragnarok Online Requiem Runes of Magic Runescape The 4th Coming
Sadly there is no class balance anymore in this game. If you like to play an offensive caster pls stay away from this game, only choice is to play a healbot or melee. Its really sad when melees doing much more dmg. than casters, have no pushback issues, more HP, more armor and no mana problems. Seriously this game became so shit as an offensive caster, I really cant stand this anymore..
when game gear is new and weak the casters are stronger then melee even naked...when better gear shows up the melee get stronger because of the better weapons...
Remember when sl-sl locks would kill 3-4 ppl in av? and looked like they had plated gear and huge hp? well melees didnt have the weapons to dps down a lock..but now they have...and the armor and hp from warlocks arent much bigger then before...thats how it works..
Its completely impossible to balance the classes...only way they can become almost balanced is if everyone rolls the same class ingame, wears the same gear, has the same ping, and has the same skill playing..that way classes are balanced
So what ? Its Blizzards job to let casters scale better with gear not mine. My job is just to find the cancel button if they cant make it right and so I did. Ever played a mage ? You know how fast /oom you are for pathetic dmg. compared to other classes ? I have also a lock, a priest and a rogue,, all are well geared and sadly I have no problems at all to kill as a disc. Priest (which is a fuckin healer) any class I want except locks but with my mage for example its a pain or not even possible (yea talk about balance pls).
Either your dmg. sucks compared to heal or you just simply go /oom. Sure go tell ppls to L2P cause you can watch some videos on warcraftmovies.com where ppls fighting noobs and scrubs. Oh yea and Warriors for example how comes they ALWAYS CRIT. they dont even care about 430+ rssilence, this is no bullshitting or something. Charge -> crit, crit, crit bla bla they dont care about resilence. And dont tell me about kiting cause I will laugh at you, thats only really possible as a mage all other casters cant get away and even as a mage mostly there will be a pala, priest dispelling everything cause its not a 1vs1 game *gg.
No sorry but this game has turned out really bad, ive played since closed beta and always had my fun in PvP with any class but now its just gone with most of my chars. Its really sad cause in general its a great game but class balance in PvP ? Its a real joke atm. BGs are also shit to play cause of this atm, I mean take Warsong it can take forever with healbotting the flag carrier or Arathi where fights take so long that ppls always respawn, respawn and respawn so you cant take over a node.
How come then number of subs keep changing each time I look around in these forums??? I have seen 8mil 9 mil and 10 mil and even as low as 6 mil?? So what is it really......???? Sorry I dont play WOW .... the sheep can play the game ..... I like games with more mature playerbase and all the flames and the childish arguing in here and rabid defense of the game is one of the reasons I don't play WOW......
How come then number of subs keep changing each time I look around in these forums??? I have seen 8mil 9 mil and 10 mil and even as low as 6 mil?? So what is it really......???? Sorry I dont play WOW .... the sheep can play the game ..... I like games with more mature playerbase and all the flames and the childish arguing in here and rabid defense of the game is one of the reasons I don't play WOW......
That's interesting, I play WoW and see those same flames and childish arguing in here and rabid attackers against WoW, maybe it's just those people who are immature and not so much the game they play.
How come then number of subs keep changing each time I look around in these forums??? I have seen 8mil 9 mil and 10 mil and even as low as 6 mil?? So what is it really......???? Sorry I dont play WOW .... the sheep can play the game ..... I like games with more mature playerbase and all the flames and the childish arguing in here and rabid defense of the game is one of the reasons I don't play WOW......
LOL. It keeps increasing. It was 8, then it went to 9 and then 10 and now it's nearly 11 so you will probably see that number soon. The 6 number was probably a mistake or was from quite a while ago.
How come then number of subs keep changing each time I look around in these forums??? I have seen 8mil 9 mil and 10 mil and even as low as 6 mil?? So what is it really......???? Sorry I dont play WOW .... the sheep can play the game ..... I like games with more mature playerbase and all the flames and the childish arguing in here and rabid defense of the game is one of the reasons I don't play WOW......
LOL. It keeps increasing. It was 8, then it went to 9 and then 10 and now it's nearly 11 so you will probably see that number soon. The 6 number was probably a mistake or was from quite a while ago.
10.7 million was the last number I saw published in a business journal that Vivendi had provided guidance to, so I think that's the official number atm.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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1) There has only ever been one expansion pack for this nearly 4 year old game, and there are now competitors.
yep, thats really poor and I dont understand this.
2) They have only added one lone battleground to the game, which you can only reach post 60, which of course requires the expansion pack. Actually they added 4, since there werent any Battlegrounds at launch, you can play 3 without the expansion.
3) They did add an arena system, and it is very corrupt and broken. Last I heard, you had to do arena in order to acquire gear that was in the battleground reward selection. So now you have nowhere to turn besides PvE-raiding if you don't like arena. You heard? How is it broken?
4) Professions are more of a sinkhole of time and resources than ever. Jewelcrafters and miners got shafted in 2.4 when they put epic quality gems on vendors, and the design schema at the end of a rep grind. I agree the tradeskills in WoW are mostly lame.
5) Dailies and the rep grinds they are directly linked too, are overwhelmingly repetitive. It feels like the grind that it is. If they wanted everyone to get these reps, have those mounts, and this much money they could have handled it better IMO. MMOS are build around timesinks and repetive play. I think WoW has quite a lot of different things to do.
6) Lack of overall content. Um, lack of content?? Really if WoW is lacking content then You better dont try to build an MMO with lots of content. How huge shall the world be? How many dungeon, items monsters?
7) When I was there, it was hostile towards new/fresh players.
I never had problems with this.
There is no right or wrong - There is only fun and boring.
sigh....i hate that 10million or whatever fact people use
wow has 4-10 million subscribers...lol.....maybe in the beginning it had 2 -3 million.
now think of all the players that have more than 1 account, i know a couple people that play and they have at least 2-3 .......they are only numbers....means notheing!
hell i have a few accounts in other mmo's that i have tried and nevr went back!
1) There has only ever been one expansion pack for this nearly 4 year old game, and there are now competitors.
2) They have only added one lone battleground to the game, which you can only reach post 60, which of course requires the expansion pack. 3) They did add an arena system, and it is very corrupt and broken. Last I heard, you had to do arena in order to acquire gear that was in the battleground reward selection. So now you have nowhere to turn besides PvE-raiding if you don't like arena.
4) Professions are more of a sinkhole of time and resources than ever. Jewelcrafters and miners got shafted in 2.4 when they put epic quality gems on vendors, and the design schema at the end of a rep grind.
5) Dailies and the rep grinds they are directly linked too, are overwhelmingly repetitive. It feels like the grind that it is. If they wanted everyone to get these reps, have those mounts, and this much money they could have handled it better IMO.
6) Lack of overall content. 7) When I was there, it was hostile towards new/fresh players.
Good summary of the state of WoW.
It's too old now with only 1 expansion, and 1 extra BG that everyone hates and only does for the daily, and Arenas are so lame and boring.
If you want the same old crap, buy their next expansion WotLK.
I've enjoyed my time spaced out between MMOs since i stopped playing WoW. I've played EQ2 for a couple months, then tried LotRO for several, and now i'm on AoC. It's refreshing to switch to a new MMO every now and then instead of playing the same one for years.
Zorndorf, don't be an ass! I agree with you on WoW, but bashing AoC at the same time makes you realy lame, especialy when people who like AoC like it for the things it is and not for the things it isn't WoW.
I like WoW for what it is and don't hate it because it isn't what other people want it to be.
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This is the very definition of MMO. I think you will find this is not a Warcraft-exclusive issue.
Not at all. Some MMO invalidates 10% of your works, some invalidates 50%, but WoW invalidates 90%.
MMO played (paid):
AION
DragonRaja
Dungeons & Dragons Online
Lineage
Lineage 2
Tibia
Ultima Online
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
MMO tried:
Atlantica Online
Darkfall
Dead Frontier
Dungeon Runners
EverQuest
Lord of the Rings Online
Monster Hunter Frontier Online
Ragnarok Online
Requiem
Runes of Magic
Runescape
The 4th Coming
and some other Chinese/Korean or beta MMOs
Now that's just crazy talk, CS and Tekken require way more skill than WoW will ever need.
If you consider the only kind of skill being reflexes and a good bandwidth, indeed. As you get older (assuming you're a kid here) you'll come to understand that there are many sorts of skill and that they're not all about being the faster on and/or the one with the best hand to eye coordination.
Where do you see "skill" mentioned in my previous post, btw? Go back to fps games and let those games suffer from having to please primitive minds such as yours, please
Making yourself out as superior by puting others down is sooo 5th grade.
I guess what you are looking for is not real time combat and that's a whole diferent set of problems. I think you are loking in the wrong place.
I don't play it anymore. Certainly it is the best MMORPG on the history but the end game really bores hardcore players (except those working very very hard for arena high rating or world/server first kill and be happy from the glory, but not the from the actual process in the game). It is so successful because it suits casual players which is way more in number than real MMORPG players (nothing bad I could say, if you can satisfied hardcore players as well, but WoW failed at this, that's my conclusion on why so much people complains about WoW on this site, usually people come to this site are relatively more serious on MMORPG). It also has the best support and resource to improved or fix most of the minor things, plus the brand name of Warcraft and Blizzard is attractive to people themselves.
Anyway, it attracted millions of new MMORPG players into the field. When WoW finally comes to an end one day (how long would it be
?), some may not play MMORPG anymore, but others will look for another MMORPG to replace it, so it will help the industry. (although currently it hurts every other in the industry because it is too successfully that people feel that other MMORPGs are relatively crap, not much choices left on the market really)
MMO played (paid):
AION
DragonRaja
Dungeons & Dragons Online
Lineage
Lineage 2
Tibia
Ultima Online
Warhammer Online
World of Warcraft
MMO tried:
Atlantica Online
Darkfall
Dead Frontier
Dungeon Runners
EverQuest
Lord of the Rings Online
Monster Hunter Frontier Online
Ragnarok Online
Requiem
Runes of Magic
Runescape
The 4th Coming
and some other Chinese/Korean or beta MMOs
I played the hell outa WoW.
Now I don't, and I've canceled and deleted the game off my HD after near constant play for 3 years.(well took several breaks here and there, played since launch but total game play is 'bout 3 years)
Why?
Every server I play on is so unfriendly to starting toons whether you know what you're doing or not. People flaming new newbies (as opposed to old newbies?, lol my difference of alts and actual new players ) just for asking questions. (granted, some of them are annoying, like where's mankirks wife?)
Thanks to gold farmers, the economy is borked.
Crafters have gotten the shaft. I mean why bother to make wicked shit when the average shit that drops is better than your best made shit, even some purple recipes are crap compared to a few blue items of the equivalent level I've found.
Pvp retards and their crap about carebears. I've played every MMO out there and I can honestly say that WoW pvp ass-hattery is second only to AoCs ass hats.
Customer service,,, uhh, where? I had an issue where I updated my drivers on my vid card and for some reason it made everything green, turn red. I DID get better performance though, so I asked tech support what I could. I was told to defrag my HD. Uhh,, Ok I've been in the MMO industry as a developer and tech support. Defragging your HD does jack shit to make a game function better. So I lied and said I did, which I technically did do 2 days prior. Then he/she/it asks me to do a couple of other things like uninstall my mods and crap. Uhh, mods ain't gonna fix a graphical glitch caused by me updating my videocard drivers. After a few days I was asked to send them my dxdiag. At the time I was running a little low on ram. Hell WoW would run on a toaster and ran great on my system till I updated. At that point I was blown off because I didn't meet minimum sys requirements for RAM. Uhh,,, (I uninstalled the drivers and the game was back to normal visually, just didnt run as smooth which is why I updated in the first place)
Next CRS story? Me and about a dozen other people were talking about SWG pre-NGE in the barrens. The previous several hours of conversation had been about Chuck Norris and people asking about mankirk and basically typical barrens chat. (this is also an RP server, Kirin Tor) when I get a tell from a GM about talking about out of game stuff. Uhh,, sure, I asked how long he had been listening in and he goes off on me about just doing what I'm told. I asked about Chuck Norris, or about the beastiality talk that was going on earlier that day when I was on my nelf hunter in the newb area, or about the shit talking that was going right at the moment he was talking to me. Appearantly this GM does NOT like SWG.
I did have one good conversation wtih a GM. I think. I deleted a toon and asked for it to be un-deleted if possible. (It's NOT a complicated thing for them, all they have to do is type in the toons name and hit enter and the toon is magically undeleted, it's NOT an ordeal) This GM was speedy quick on answering the ticket, but did so and after the fact acted like I had just asked for him/her/it to wipe my butt with their tongue ZOMGWTFBBQ the pain and anguish of doing your freaking job. (I had a billing issue afterwards and during the course of the conversation I asked how or what they did to undelete toons and got the skinny on it, my billing issue just turned out to be a website issue)
Raiding. I can't stand the attitude that every guild I joined or helped create would take once we started raiding. The raid-tude pissed me of so much I got to where I'd just kick people when they started bitching about DK this, or it's not fair that. Or how co-leaders would freak out over people not showing up, or showing up a little late, or having a life outside the freaking game. After 3 years of playing, and dozens of guilds stretched out across several severs I can honestly say that there is NO friendly raid guilds.
RP-server nazis. ARPEE MAI WAY GAIS OR UR D SUXXORS. A friend of mine writes short stories professionally, he gets payed a metric shit ton of money for it. He made a tauren druid and RP'd all the different forms as a different and unique personality, with the dominant personality- the tauren form being a bit retarded. He wasn't over the top retarded in his play acting but he did a great job. Holy hoppin' hand grenades did he catch shit on the forums.... Uhh,, for roleplaying guild invitations, selling his wares or whatever. Doing what everyone else was doing, just not exactly like they were doing. Anyway the point is this dude could make people cry with his stories, laugh till they puked (these are things he was told in posts after his stories) , basically he was GOOD, but after a few stories the ass hats would tear into him and just start being their name sakes.
The downfall of WoW for me was in general and overall, the community. Pvp servers are full of angst ridden teens, RP servers are full of nazis, guilds once they reach a certain level turn into a job/police state/totalitarian load of BS. The longer I played the more hostile the community got to anyone that didn't do things their way.
WoW was a good game, damn the hours I put into it. Just the rest of the community sucked monkey nuts.
And this is my opinion at 12.24am CST.
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Sadly there is no class balance anymore in this game. If you like to play an offensive caster pls stay away from this game, only choice is to play a healbot or melee. Its really sad when melees doing much more dmg. than casters, have no pushback issues, more HP, more armor and no mana problems. Seriously this game became so shit as an offensive caster, I really cant stand this anymore..
Remember when sl-sl locks would kill 3-4 ppl in av? and looked like they had plated gear and huge hp? well melees didnt have the weapons to dps down a lock..but now they have...and the armor and hp from warlocks arent much bigger then before...thats how it works..
Its completely impossible to balance the classes...only way they can become almost balanced is if everyone rolls the same class ingame, wears the same gear, has the same ping, and has the same skill playing..that way classes are balanced
I'm not sure what the OP is talking about. WoW has always been the most bashed game on these forums, for one reason or the other. This only recently stopped, since a new game got released, so the haters moved there for now. They will return for a while again, until something else gets released again.
If you played the game in the past and you're considering going back, you'll probably find the familiar gameplay in place. Most of the population however has moved to the Outland, thus the original world is a tad barren. But that's understandable.
The best time to rejoin will probably be sometime before the next expansion is released. Then you will have the time to start a fresh character and catch up everyone else at level 70 going to 80. That should be sometime after summer, depending on your game-time and whether Blizzard will delay the expansion or not.
Ever heard of www.sk-gaming.com or realmhistory.net? The data analysis clearly shows that class balance is not ok unless you play a FoTM class (rogue/druid/priest/warrior).
I'm happy for you Zorndorf. You kind of remind my enthusiasm just before the first expansion. Too bad the implementation didn't work (for me) as well as I thought it would.
Funny that some people in this thread mentions WoW as an e-sport, cmon it's a fucking MMORPG and unless you're playing against idiots arena is very luck based. WoW will never be a true e-sport, but blizzard seems to put very much focus around arena (like trying to balance classes around arena) thinking it one day will be a big e-sport and this is what's going to kill the game (atleast the pvp part of it).
Also it's quite sad that people are happy with the arena, it's so much fun fighting in the same little box over and over against 2-5 players. Arena should never have been the main focus of WoW pvp, it should just have been another type of battleground.
To Zorndorf:
In this case it has more to do with what it does to the market in term of choices and variation.
...I really can't agree with you for this....WoW looks like having a lot of freedom but actually all you can do in end game is just keep farming honor every seasons (look at those botters) and play arena, or raid(where you follow 1 boss by 1 boss, 1 instance by 1 instance every week, with scheduled working hours).
During level you follow quest by quest too, well you may as well just grind instead of doing quests.
For this point, I really want a new generation built UO.
Ever heard of www.sk-gaming.com or realmhistory.net? The data analysis clearly shows that class balance is not ok unless you play a FoTM class (rogue/druid/priest/warrior).
Fully agree.But he is actually disagree with you.
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Remember when sl-sl locks would kill 3-4 ppl in av? and looked like they had plated gear and huge hp? well melees didnt have the weapons to dps down a lock..but now they have...and the armor and hp from warlocks arent much bigger then before...thats how it works..
Its completely impossible to balance the classes...only way they can become almost balanced is if everyone rolls the same class ingame, wears the same gear, has the same ping, and has the same skill playing..that way classes are balanced
So what ? Its Blizzards job to let casters scale better with gear not mine. My job is just to find the cancel button if they cant make it right and so I did. Ever played a mage ? You know how fast /oom you are for pathetic dmg. compared to other classes ? I have also a lock, a priest and a rogue,, all are well geared and sadly I have no problems at all to kill as a disc. Priest (which is a fuckin healer) any class I want except locks but with my mage for example its a pain or not even possible (yea talk about balance pls).
Either your dmg. sucks compared to heal or you just simply go /oom. Sure go tell ppls to L2P cause you can watch some videos on warcraftmovies.com where ppls fighting noobs and scrubs. Oh yea and Warriors for example how comes they ALWAYS CRIT. they dont even care about 430+ rssilence, this is no bullshitting or something. Charge -> crit, crit, crit bla bla they dont care about resilence. And dont tell me about kiting cause I will laugh at you, thats only really possible as a mage all other casters cant get away and even as a mage mostly there will be a pala, priest dispelling everything cause its not a 1vs1 game *gg.
No sorry but this game has turned out really bad, ive played since closed beta and always had my fun in PvP with any class but now its just gone with most of my chars. Its really sad cause in general its a great game but class balance in PvP ? Its a real joke atm. BGs are also shit to play cause of this atm, I mean take Warsong it can take forever with healbotting the flag carrier or Arathi where fights take so long that ppls always respawn, respawn and respawn so you cant take over a node.
Nah no thx anymore
How come then number of subs keep changing each time I look around in these forums??? I have seen 8mil 9 mil and 10 mil and even as low as 6 mil?? So what is it really......???? Sorry I dont play WOW .... the sheep can play the game ..... I like games with more mature playerbase and all the flames and the childish arguing in here and rabid defense of the game is one of the reasons I don't play WOW......
That's interesting, I play WoW and see those same flames and childish arguing in here and rabid attackers against WoW, maybe it's just those people who are immature and not so much the game they play.
Like say, your maturly placed comment on sheep.
LOL. It keeps increasing. It was 8, then it went to 9 and then 10 and now it's nearly 11 so you will probably see that number soon. The 6 number was probably a mistake or was from quite a while ago.
LOL. It keeps increasing. It was 8, then it went to 9 and then 10 and now it's nearly 11 so you will probably see that number soon. The 6 number was probably a mistake or was from quite a while ago.
10.7 million was the last number I saw published in a business journal that Vivendi had provided guidance to, so I think that's the official number atm.
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sigh....i hate that 10million or whatever fact people use
wow has 4-10 million subscribers...lol.....maybe in the beginning it had 2 -3 million.
now think of all the players that have more than 1 account, i know a couple people that play and they have at least 2-3 .......they are only numbers....means notheing!
hell i have a few accounts in other mmo's that i have tried and nevr went back!
It's too old now with only 1 expansion, and 1 extra BG that everyone hates and only does for the daily, and Arenas are so lame and boring.
If you want the same old crap, buy their next expansion WotLK.
I've enjoyed my time spaced out between MMOs since i stopped playing WoW. I've played EQ2 for a couple months, then tried LotRO for several, and now i'm on AoC. It's refreshing to switch to a new MMO every now and then instead of playing the same one for years.
Zorndorf, don't be an ass! I agree with you on WoW, but bashing AoC at the same time makes you realy lame, especialy when people who like AoC like it for the things it is and not for the things it isn't WoW.
I like WoW for what it is and don't hate it because it isn't what other people want it to be.