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Why doesn't Blizzard ban IPs from China?
Soldier420
Member Posts: 177
From playing on US/Europe servers?
Pats let Manning win.
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To prevent people like you from getting a power leveling service to level their toon cause they are to lazy to level it themselves.
Because... then if you traveled to that part of the world, say if you were military or just on vacation, you'd then complain that you couldn't connect?
Because.. as much as there are goldspam types who use china ip's to bounce off of (since it makes a convenient disguise no doubt, many of these shops are actually american heh), there are many, many, many, many more legit people from china who play, and pay?
Because.. the goldspam types would just use a different country's ip blocks and it would change nothing, except make blizzard get less money due to blocking legit players?
It works like this, you live in lets say BFE Kentucky. You have been playing wow a year, and logging on from a Kentucky ISP for that year.
Now all of a sudden your account gets logged in from Bangkok.
Blizzard isn't stupid dude.
1 of 2 things just happened.
1. You paid person in Bangkok to PL your character and gave them your account name and password.
OR
2. Your account just got hacked and someone is stealing all your shit.
Blizzard will ban the account immediately and investigate, if it is found you hired a PL service, which blizzard keeps a list of all these IP and areas where PLers concentrate, the disable the account forever.
If it is found to be a rightous hack then blizzard will change your password and lift the ban after three days for continued play. IF it happens again on the same account, it will be disabled permanently.
people like me? i'm vouching for a IP ban from china. i hate cheaters... durr
Pats let Manning win.
oh well. i'm sure you can take off time from WoW or play on a china server. i bet 99 out of 100 people form china playing on us/euro servers are hackers, gold farmers and pl services.
Pats let Manning win.
Neonaka seems to be a bit confused.. X_x
Yeah does and doesn't mean diff. things sorry.
To answer your question they do ban IP's from China all the time.
I have had several buddies get accounts banned for China IP loggin into their accounts because they bought a PL.
So to answer your question Blizzard does ban them when they notice it.
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
So you can tell just by looking at an IP what country it originated from? I don't think so. I think you would have to check a database of IP addresses and it could tell you, but you can't just tell from looking at the IP address.
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
So you can tell just by looking at an IP what country it originated from? Interesting, I did not know that.
yep. they hall have the same first digits.
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
So you can tell just by looking at an IP what country it originated from? Interesting, I did not know that.
yep. they hall have the same first digits.
I don't think this is true. I did a google search for IP by country and found a website that provided a file that shows various IP's from differing countries with the same first 3 digits. Obviously this information is stored somewhere and could be looked up by Blizzard, but the data would have to be maintained and updated. I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Not that they couldn't get the information, I'm sure they could if they wanted to.
The more I think about it, it doesn't even make sense what you are saying. Since the 1st 3 characters are always between 1 and 256, that's only 256 unique first 3 characters and since obviously countries like the US use up a lot more than just a couple, I don't think there's even enough codes to cover all the countries. Furthermore it wouldn't make sense to have a unique key for each country anyway. Think how many wasted IP addresses there would be for many of the smaller countries? They don't need a full 16 million IP addresses which is what the first 3 digits of an IP address represent.
Edit: After a little more research I found 210 different countries listed in the file I was provided. Obviously not all 210 countries would be covered with just 256 unique first 3 bytes of an IP address. In case you are interested (or don't believe me) check out the following website. You can download the file for free. It's updated daily and it has a listing of blocks of IP addresses and the country they are registered to.
http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
So you can tell just by looking at an IP what country it originated from? Interesting, I did not know that.
yep. they hall have the same first digits.
I don't think this is true. I did a google search for IP by country and found a website that provided a file that shows various IP's from differing countries with the same first 3 digits. Obviously this information is stored somewhere and could be looked up by Blizzard, but the data would have to be maintained and updated. I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Not that they couldn't get the information, I'm sure they could if they wanted to.
The more I think about it, it doesn't even make sense what you are saying. Since the 1st 3 characters are always between 1 and 256, that's only 256 unique first 3 characters and since obviously countries like the US use up a lot more than just a couple, I don't think there's even enough codes to cover all the countries. Furthermore it wouldn't make sense to have a unique key for each country anyway. Think how many wasted IP addresses there would be for many of the smaller countries? They don't need a full 16 million IP addresses which is what the first 3 digits of an IP address represent.
Edit: After a little more research I found 210 different countries listed in the file I was provided. Obviously not all 210 countries would be covered with just 256 unique first 3 bytes of an IP address. In case you are interested (or don't believe me) check out the following website. You can download the file for free. It's updated daily and it has a listing of blocks of IP addresses and the country they are registered to.
http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl
It is one thing to try and understand facts. It is another to have it in front of you by people who are knowledged in such technology and cast it aside because you cant fathom it yourself.
Each country has a SET number of IP addresses. Since your trying so hard to find information that tells you what your unable to understand is wrong, as pointed out by deadlymage, then why dont you read up on the shortage of IP addresses facing china. You cant just make an ip address outside of your designated area/region.
In the end it dosent matter. Redirectors and Proxies for the knowledged or funds to use commercial ones for business practices are the bane.
About 6 or 7 million of their precious subscribers are in China. I'm sure they wanna just let them keep doing what they're doing.
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i don't see the point in IP bans. Like someone said earlier the professional sellers and power lvl companies probably use a proxy server anyways. I've never liked IP bans since all it does is keep the legit players out and the experienced players whether good or bad are still able to play.
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
So you can tell just by looking at an IP what country it originated from? Interesting, I did not know that.
yep. they hall have the same first digits.
I don't think this is true. I did a google search for IP by country and found a website that provided a file that shows various IP's from differing countries with the same first 3 digits. Obviously this information is stored somewhere and could be looked up by Blizzard, but the data would have to be maintained and updated. I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Not that they couldn't get the information, I'm sure they could if they wanted to.
The more I think about it, it doesn't even make sense what you are saying. Since the 1st 3 characters are always between 1 and 256, that's only 256 unique first 3 characters and since obviously countries like the US use up a lot more than just a couple, I don't think there's even enough codes to cover all the countries. Furthermore it wouldn't make sense to have a unique key for each country anyway. Think how many wasted IP addresses there would be for many of the smaller countries? They don't need a full 16 million IP addresses which is what the first 3 digits of an IP address represent.
Edit: After a little more research I found 210 different countries listed in the file I was provided. Obviously not all 210 countries would be covered with just 256 unique first 3 bytes of an IP address. In case you are interested (or don't believe me) check out the following website. You can download the file for free. It's updated daily and it has a listing of blocks of IP addresses and the country they are registered to.
http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl
It is one thing to try and understand facts. It is another to have it in front of you by people who are knowledged in such technology and cast it aside because you cant fathom it yourself.
Each country has a SET number of IP addresses. Since your trying so hard to find information that tells you what your unable to understand is wrong, as pointed out by deadlymage, then why dont you read up on the shortage of IP addresses facing china. You cant just make an ip address outside of your designated area/region.
In the end it dosent matter. Redirectors and Proxies for the knowledged or funds to use commercial ones for business practices are the bane.
An IP address also tells ppl what ISP your connected with, all ISP's are issued a IP address in a certain range. Thats how they catch ppl downloading movies using P2P... so remember alway log into your neigbours unsecured wireless conx to download P2P =D
People should be able to play on the server of their choice.
Do the the WoW servers based in China have servers that are for English, French, Italian or other languages? Why would they when there are already servers in Europe and the USA that cater for these languages?
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
So you can tell just by looking at an IP what country it originated from? Interesting, I did not know that.
yep. they hall have the same first digits.
I don't think this is true. I did a google search for IP by country and found a website that provided a file that shows various IP's from differing countries with the same first 3 digits. Obviously this information is stored somewhere and could be looked up by Blizzard, but the data would have to be maintained and updated. I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Not that they couldn't get the information, I'm sure they could if they wanted to.
The more I think about it, it doesn't even make sense what you are saying. Since the 1st 3 characters are always between 1 and 256, that's only 256 unique first 3 characters and since obviously countries like the US use up a lot more than just a couple, I don't think there's even enough codes to cover all the countries. Furthermore it wouldn't make sense to have a unique key for each country anyway. Think how many wasted IP addresses there would be for many of the smaller countries? They don't need a full 16 million IP addresses which is what the first 3 digits of an IP address represent.
Edit: After a little more research I found 210 different countries listed in the file I was provided. Obviously not all 210 countries would be covered with just 256 unique first 3 bytes of an IP address. In case you are interested (or don't believe me) check out the following website. You can download the file for free. It's updated daily and it has a listing of blocks of IP addresses and the country they are registered to.
http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl
It is one thing to try and understand facts. It is another to have it in front of you by people who are knowledged in such technology and cast it aside because you cant fathom it yourself.
Each country has a SET number of IP addresses. Since your trying so hard to find information that tells you what your unable to understand is wrong, as pointed out by deadlymage, then why dont you read up on the shortage of IP addresses facing china. You cant just make an ip address outside of your designated area/region.
In the end it dosent matter. Redirectors and Proxies for the knowledged or funds to use commercial ones for business practices are the bane.
An IP address also tells ppl what ISP your connected with, all ISP's are issued a IP address in a certain range. Thats how they catch ppl downloading movies using P2P... so remember alway log into your neigbours unsecured wireless conx to download P2P =D
I remember when I first had to deal with banning a dynamic IP. Since it is merely a IP within the range that your ISP has been given I ended up having to ban a few innocent people while I got ahold of their ISP because I had to do a range IP ban.
Because The9 owns those rights not Blizzard.
You mean just ban them for no other reason than they are on US/Europe servers? I'm not sure, but I don't even know how you would know the IP is from China off hand. I'm sure there's a way to find out, but does Blizzard have this information on all IP's? If not, how tough would it be to find out? And if you could find out, do you really know why that IP is on a US/Europe server? Too many questions to give you a straight answer. Why don't you go to Blizzard's site and ask this on their Customer Service forum. Maybe you'll get a blue response.
each country has an diff ispn code kinda like phone numbers
So you can tell just by looking at an IP what country it originated from? Interesting, I did not know that.
yep. they hall have the same first digits.
I don't think this is true. I did a google search for IP by country and found a website that provided a file that shows various IP's from differing countries with the same first 3 digits. Obviously this information is stored somewhere and could be looked up by Blizzard, but the data would have to be maintained and updated. I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Not that they couldn't get the information, I'm sure they could if they wanted to.
The more I think about it, it doesn't even make sense what you are saying. Since the 1st 3 characters are always between 1 and 256, that's only 256 unique first 3 characters and since obviously countries like the US use up a lot more than just a couple, I don't think there's even enough codes to cover all the countries. Furthermore it wouldn't make sense to have a unique key for each country anyway. Think how many wasted IP addresses there would be for many of the smaller countries? They don't need a full 16 million IP addresses which is what the first 3 digits of an IP address represent.
Edit: After a little more research I found 210 different countries listed in the file I was provided. Obviously not all 210 countries would be covered with just 256 unique first 3 bytes of an IP address. In case you are interested (or don't believe me) check out the following website. You can download the file for free. It's updated daily and it has a listing of blocks of IP addresses and the country they are registered to.
http://software77.net/cgi-bin/ip-country/geo-ip.pl
It is one thing to try and understand facts. It is another to have it in front of you by people who are knowledged in such technology and cast it aside because you cant fathom it yourself.
Each country has a SET number of IP addresses. Since your trying so hard to find information that tells you what your unable to understand is wrong, as pointed out by deadlymage, then why dont you read up on the shortage of IP addresses facing china. You cant just make an ip address outside of your designated area/region.
In the end it dosent matter. Redirectors and Proxies for the knowledged or funds to use commercial ones for business practices are the bane.
Nice try. Actually I completely understand what he was saying and he's completely wrong. Yes, every country has a set number of registered IP addresses, but they do not all have a common starting first 3 digits. In fact the IP addresses are not in a contiguous block at all, but rather they are spread out all over the IP address spectrum.
It's painfully obvious when you go to the website that I directed you to and download the file to an excel spreadsheet. It has comments that explain the information. It's quite obvious that countries request blocks of IP addresses and they are assigned to them, however there is no common pattern. You'll see quite clearly that countries have multiple ranges of IP addresses and many of the countries are intertwined. For example lets just take all the IP addresses that begin with the number 58. Below is a list of the countries that have assigned IP's of 58.xxx.xxx.xxx.
Australia, Bangladesh, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, Pakistan, Philipines, Singapore, Taiwan and Thailand.
So there's no way just looking at the IP address and seeing that it's 58.xxx.xxx.xxx determine where it originates. It could be any of the countries above. Only if you take the full IP address and look it up in the table can you determine which country it originates from. China itself has blocks of IP addresses with the following first 3 bytes: 58-62,114-126,135,160,162,166,168-170,192,193,198,202 and 203. They might have more than that but Excel cut off the file at 203 so I can't see past that. An IP address that starts with any of those numbers could originate from China, but you wouldn't know unless you looked it up in this table.
And this information can change daily as new blocks of IP addresses are requested and assigned, so you have to continually keep this information updated.
It's quite obvious to me that he has no clue what he's talking about. I didn't know myself until I looked it up, but it took only a little bit of research to find the answer. The problem with China not having enough IP addresses has to do with the way they are registered and assigned, it has nothing to do with whether or not China has a specific 3 first character IP address assigned to them. They do not.
Here's a quote from the following article
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-04/20/content_435822.htm
"China, with the lessons learned in the IPv4 era, has sped up its progress in registering IPv6 addresses and has received 1.8 per cent of the total IPv6 addresses allocated, compared with the 1.4 per cent ratio in IPv4 addresses. "
A little more reseach uncovered this article which basically explains that China's shortage of IP addresses is a myth.
http://www.apnic.net/archive/news/hot-topics/internet-gov/ip-china.html