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The NGE and beyond from it's creator
Gutboy
Member Posts: 630
Read this blog entry from the creator of the NGE.
Not only did he push it out, he was the reason there was no notice.
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I'm a little perplexed by this Gutboy.
Is this article supposed to justify and support the NGE?
he needs flame proof'd clothing and tbh its justified
Here's a quick summary:
"Hey, the market is stagnate with thousands of games which play EXACTLY the same...its not going to work anymore. I"m mad that no one is even TRYING to make something new and innovative. Its time to realize the MMO'er is now completely jaded against the stupid, boring crap we've been force fed for YEARS now."
That, point blank, may as well be him also saying "Gee, the NGE was really stupid because it embodies the VERY thing I am screaming about now". The NGE took, what was innovation and new gameplay, and replaced it with the "same old tired system that is flooding the market".
EDIT: Removed sections that were based on misunderstanding
Which Dev is that?
I suppose either you can't read...or the link took ME to a different blog post than it did you.
Here's a quick summary:
"Hey, the market is stagnate with thousands of games which play EXACTLY the same...its not going to work anymore. I"m mad that no one is even TRYING to make something new and innovative. Its time to realize the MMO'er is now completely jaded against the stupid, boring crap we've been force fed for YEARS now."
That, point blank, may as well be him also saying "Gee, the NGE was really stupid because it embodies the VERY thing I am screaming about now". The NGE took, what was innovation and new gameplay, and replaced it with the "same old tired system that is flooding the market". I have no ideal why anyone would read that and think ANYTHING else.
I could be wrong but I don't think Norrisn was saying the NGE was justified.
I suppose either you can't read...or the link took ME to a different blog post than it did you.
Here's a quick summary:
"Hey, the market is stagnate with thousands of games which play EXACTLY the same...its not going to work anymore. I"m mad that no one is even TRYING to make something new and innovative. Its time to realize the MMO'er is now completely jaded against the stupid, boring crap we've been force fed for YEARS now."
That, point blank, may as well be him also saying "Gee, the NGE was really stupid because it embodies the VERY thing I am screaming about now". The NGE took, what was innovation and new gameplay, and replaced it with the "same old tired system that is flooding the market". I have no ideal why anyone would read that and think ANYTHING else.
I could be wrong but I don't think Norrisn was saying the NGE was justified.
Thats possible....it DID follow your post though, and you were talking about whether or not this thread was meant to justify the NGE or not. That makes two of us whom are confused then.
Just in case, though, I take it all back if he IS saying what you say he is. I'll edit it if thats true.
i was on about people flaming him is justified, the guy messed up and now ranting about cliches and the like - just makes me think hypocrite.
He has some points and good ones at that. The message though was lost in the wholesale use of unprofessional epithets and meandering yapping. that and this little gem - "Quit making PC games. It’s a waste of time and money."
The intent for me posting that link was to direct the anger of the "disgruntled vets" to the right person. That guy did most everything you associate with the "killing of your game", I point to the initial design, and pushing the end product out with no notice.
The NGE was the worst decision made in a AAA MMORPG to date. I think everyone agrees on that.
What I defend now is that the new dev team has vastly improved the game and it is fun again.
Rubenfield was not the brainchild of the NGE...it was Freeman who (no pun intended) freely admitted it. Dan may have worked on it but Freeman was the creator.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
And in case you did not know who he is, here is the "about" on his blog:
rubenfield.com
About
I’m Dan Rubenfield. I make video games. I’ve been a game designer for around 12 years and have worked on things like Ultima Online, Deus Ex, Star Wars Galaxies, Home, DC Online, and a bunch of other stuff throughout the ages.
I’m currently living in Cambridge, UK and in the process of moving to Helsinki, Finland.
I live with my wife and 3 cats.
And as I promised, my post is now updated correctly to avoid kicking you for no reason :P
Sorry about that.
Dan Rubenfeld is/was Lord_Pall, the Lead Designer of the NGE amd Jeff Freeman's boss at the time. Fascinating stuff.
fishermage.blogspot.com
fishermage.blogspot.com
The new dev team continues to make the same mistakes, although on a much smaller scale. I have been saying that Dan Rubenfeld/Jeff Freeman were two of the bigger culprits for years now. The real blame lies with corporate however.
Someone who understood, or claimed to understand, basic principles of client based business should have know this was something one should never do. It was a gross violation of a basic business relationship, and they suffered for it. The reason people are not coming back to the game is they have never truly admitted that, nor have they really shown they won't do it again.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Forgive me Gutboy, I didn't read the whole thing due to his inability to communicate in discernable English without undue profanity, but what I did read says nothing about this guy actually having any meaningful say in the NGE, only that he participated in it. From a few other entries, he alludes to the fact that certain people (ie: Raph and even Freeman) were actually above him. So to this end, I'd say our anger has always been on target, you've just given is another one to blame (for which there are likely to be 100s of people involved).
Edit: yes I see the posts informing us of his actual position in the machine of SOE. Disregard the past paragraph.
So I ask you this Gutboy, you agree that the worst decision made in an MMORPG was the NGE. Why do you agree? By posting this link, you tell us you agree that the NGE was unethical and underhanded. The powers that oversaw the act are still there, yet you staunchly defend SOE at every chance you get. What can this tell us about you Gutboy? What do you think?
jedis the alfa class that most didnt want lol
i can play my MCH MTK MDOC Again cool rofl
Ill pass on the fun games i guess and stick with wow for now......
Waiting on stargate worlds i am
Funny how he deletes even the mildest questioning and commentary from his comments. He can dish it out but he sure can't take it.
fishermage.blogspot.com
QFT
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Looks like Rubenfield has responded to people saying he destroyed SWG.
He posted this today: here
Everyone knows the old system was better. I still play because it's fun (in spite of all) and it's a Star Wars MMO (and still has more complexity/freedom than any other MMO).
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
He certainly has a foul mouth...LOL
All laughing aside...he stated it...the reason was $$$...which was NEVER realized.
Next time maybe you (Dan) shouldn't listen to a focus group and maybe listen to the players who actually paid to play the game. I bet that 150k - 200k is looking pretty good now in comparison...
Regardless of how you feel your work was your objective FAILED.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Also, what he fails to recognize or admit was the game was not successful due to his mismanagement, and the mismanagement of the people above him.
The NGE was one big fat blameshift.
fishermage.blogspot.com
So true...it was a virtual shell game between the paying players, SOE, and LA with blame as the marble.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Honestly, do you think he had a choice? "Star Wars" doesn't belong to him. LucasArts/SOE told him to change the game. He did. He was an employee. Read between the lines.
He said he wanted to change the game and make it better, but he also said he did not get to do a lot of what he really wanted and that he did not want to remove the skill system or the classes.
Again, he was an employee. He was not allowed to do just whatever he wanted.
And he said something I have been saying for years: Pre-CU was better, but it was FAR from perfect. Also that they were losing 10,000 subs a month BEFORE the changes.
Anyway.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
It is funny how they (SOE or former SOE) will spout sub numbers when it supports their rant.
Just think if they put forth the same coding effort to correct some of the issues of pre-CU as they did on doing the NGE where they could have been compared to today...
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor