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RvR going to be better than DAOC?
dtan27
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I'm not exactly sure how RvR is going to work in WAR so please enlighten me.
But I'm not quite convinced that RvR in WAR is going to be much better than in DAOC.
Mind you I have no idea how RvR evolved in DAOC, I only played when the game first came out and I stopped playing around the time that they introduced "battlegrounds" into the game.
Anyway, what made RvR in DAOC interesting to me was that there were 3 sides. I mean think about it. Hib is attacking Alb, at the same time Mids also think about attacking Alb and now Hib is stuck fighting both sides. You get some three way battles going, and heck even sometimes temporary alliances.
I dunno, maybe I'm just spoiled with DAOC being my first MMO, but I just can't see WAR capturing that same RvR fun that DAOC had.
Remember those times you were out levelling in the pvp zone and you'd get ganked, and then people would run around looking for the ganker?
How about those times when there would be groups of people just standing outside of the main city gates waiting for a showdown.. Those were fun times..
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You will never get better pvp than DAoC. it just wont happen in todays market and its a different era.
I hope that a lot of the DAoC RvR crowds are still gaming because I agree that it was the best PvP experience I've ever had. I used to wake up early to meet with guildmates and go raid keeps - and I don't like waking up early for anything.
I remember "guard duty" around the keeps in the PvP zones. A 3-way battle for a central battlekeep in the "BG" was often a lot of fun, expecially when people literally went the extra mile to haul in mats to make siege equipment and the special ammo. Having forward spotters target people on other sides of walls for your catapult was awesome.
I'll try WAR if only to see how EA Mythic has evolved their RvR experience.
For me also there being only a 2way battle instead of a 3way makes this an instant "No"
You also can't compare too harshly. WAR is just coming out and from my understanding the peek of DAoC wasn't at launch either.
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DAoC's RvR and particularly it's PvP was horribly unbalanced at launch. Within the first four months everyone rolled an archer and ran around in Emain sniping. Eventually it got better, but there were still large swings of class imbalance as they were tweaked. Hopefully WAR won't suffer the same calamity.
Similar but different.
2 sides, but still 3 battlefronts
and when new racial pairings are released the world would just grow with more tier 4 zones opening up for those pairings and cities.
So no you won't have 3 way fights, but the 2 way will be similar to the 2 way fights in DAoC.
Now you can hope like me they add a multi-pass so you can play WAR and on the new DAoC Origins servers
DAoC's RvR and particularly it's PvP was horribly unbalanced at launch. Within the first four months everyone rolled an archer and ran around in Emain sniping. Eventually it got better, but there were still large swings of class imbalance as they were tweaked. Hopefully WAR won't suffer the same calamity.
Some of the major imbalances were compounded by population issues, which WAR has systems in place to counter at launch.
And most of the imbalances weren't so bad you coulsn't over come them. Some execptions of course.
Release archers, stungard (i played midgard and i know it was wrong), etc..
Now even with some of those class issues, DAoC PvP was still far more fun and balanced then anything else I have played since.
Even if the PvP was better, you would never believe it with that mind set. If you believe it's never going to be better, then it will never be better in your eyes.
And just maybe.... you should the game before you say it will never be better...
Hmm... game changed a lot tho... after that (old frontiers) there was the new frontiers with all keeps and towers, also relics... oh the joy... miss it a lot... and yes, DAoC was my first MMO as well.
For what i see, you played on the pvp server... i played on the roleplay servers... there's a huge difference between RP server, PVP server and Coop server....
Anyways, I agree with you, WAR won't get close to what DAoC RvR is... EA/Mythic sucks... and made me drop the game after 6 years.... oh well...
Its true the 3 way battles in DAoC was great! I will feel a little dissapointed in WAR being only 2 sides but i still think it will be a great game anyway. And hell.. you can always go back to DAoC.. they got a few diff server types now.. from the regular to co-op(haha) they got classic an now they are bringing out a real old school server type with out all the junk no one really wanted an the best of what everyone likes (think classic but better). Im just waiting for them to revamp the graphics a bit an hell id go right back to DAoC, hell id play it along side WAR.
I don't know if you could fairly compare DAoC and WAR's RvR. True they are similar, but they have taken WAR's RvR to another lvl with its complexity. I have faith they will do a good job.
graphics aren't terrible in DAoC. They do need to redo the UI tho, and bring it out of the stone age. It has gotten leaps and bounds better. But at the core it is still the same thing.
I will agree that even to date that DAOC has the best PVP system in place. The problem is that its overkill ie *new frontiers* and the PVP in general is pointless and boring after a short while. At one time in the history of hte game in OF people didn't have realm maps to feed them. Stealthers were critical in supplying intel as well as picking up strays. Old Frontiers was superior to current day RVR in every aspect. In saying that for War to be successful with us hardcore PVP lovers its going to have to be nothing like DAOC at all.
Mythic brought up the idea of home invasion servers waaay back yet was never implemented. Man would that of been a hit to be able to take over Camelot if you were Mid or take over Jordheim if you were Hib. Taking over and taking control of any town in the game. A dread of sort but WAR PVP must have critical urgency to control territory. If i hear its a clone of anything on the market in any way then chances are they wont be getting my subscription month after month.
Veteran MMO PVP players wont settle for clones any more. It will either be the best of its type or fail miserably. I'm personally waiting on the next best thing and well to this point Warhammer is in my sights even though i'm unsure if they are going to supply what i want in a pvp game.
For those who know the WAR lore, any chance we could see a third faction entering the mix in an expansion, maybe? I agree with all the DAoC'ers, a third faction really was crucial to the great RvR there.
Oy.
There are some more neutral races.
Maybe a Skaven, Tomb King, Vampire Count faction.
The onyl problem really is any trio that could make up a 3rd faction could easily be put into one of the two existing ones.
Also DAoC is coming out with an Origins rule set, sort of t aking the game back to pre expansion, with some changes of course.
We won't see a 3rd faction in the style of DAoC....I dont think it'd fit personally and the Dev's did say they DON"T want to compete with their own Game...by putting in a third faction it really would be DAoC 2.0 and thats not what they want. Smart move in my opinion to not compete against yourself. Plus a third faction would kill end game..they want fast and fun...a third faction would seriously slow down if not obliterate the progress of the end game Sieges.
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Addressing the 2 faction issue:
Yes there will be two factions... at launch. Mythic is known for introducing game changing expansions. There are plenty of races left to create a 3rd faction. Lizard Men, Ogers, Undead(Tomb Kings/Vampire Counts), Scaven etc.
Addressing the RVR aspect of WAR:
I bet it will feel a lot like DAoC. It took me a while to realize that it's not really race vs race vs. race etc. but 12 unique classes vs. 12 unique classes. I think of the races as forcing the player to make an avalonian wizard instead of allowing the player to make a half-oger wizard, and race determining the newbie experience.
The lore could support it. in fact, the greenskins being the 3rd faction is far more lore-based than them allying with chaos. however the game has been built up around a tug of war 2sided war. adding a 3rd now would be a HUGE change that I don't think mythic could handle this late in devolopment.
but lore wise? god yes there are plenty of ways to make 3.. 4 even 5sided fights. so many factions in warhammer hate each other, or at least have "misunderstandings" often enough.
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Thats one thing I don't understand. Companies like Mythic and Blizzard say that they don't want to compete with their own game. The money is still going to the same company.
If a company makes pencils and they decided to expand into pens, and the pencils take a hit because of it, the money spent to buy the pens are still going to the same company.
The three faction system in DAoC was, in my eyes, what made the PVP experience so unique. Albs go and take over a Hib keep, Mids can come in and whip out the Albs while they are trying to upgrade that keep. Some of the most fun I have had in PVP to date was when all three factions clashed at the same time.
I have to agree. They will make a great rvr experience. it would only be stupid to make a rvr-game that sux compared to their earlyer products as DaOC (was my first mmo as for some of the posters in here) DaOC was great, and it can be hard to make something better. Bit i have faith in WAR, think and hope it will become even better!
To the OP: Unfortunately, it has become quite clear to me in the 11 years that I have been playing MMO games that you never get the same rush as you did with your first game.
Mine was UO, and the feeling that I got from playing that game has not been duplicated since. Some of my friends started in DAoC or AC, same thing there. Every other game is a letdown. A few friends just recently started in LOTRO. They love it and wanted to try other games like it.
They tried WoW, CoH, & AoC. They all went back to LOTRO.
The trick is, you can't go into a new game expecting to get that rush you did with your first game.
So when WAR is released. Take a deep breath & forget about DAOC, or any other MMO game that you have played. Log in, create your character & play the game for what it is, a brand new experience.
If you go in hoping, or expecting it to be something more than a game, you will be disappointed.
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These are mostly the same people at Myhic that did DAOC. They should be at least able to match their previous performance in RVR(so no I'm not letting them off the hook)
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This fellow speaks the truth. It's like your first girlfriend.. you always compare those that come after to the first. Time to stop living in the past. DAoC was my first MMO, and I too think it had the best RvR, but I moved on because it got stale and boring after a long time.
Well I only played DAOC for a very short time but I think the fact that the dev team has had some experience with RvR will help. They know what worked and what didn't and hopefully will learn from that. I'm sort of glad I didn't play DAOC much because I won't be prone to constantly comparing that game to this game all time.
My first MMO was EQ and it was by far still my favorite game so I'm sure there is something to the idea that most people think the first MMO was the best. Of course that could just mean that alot of these newer games suck which I think is true too.