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US House member calls for the nationalization of oil!
Zindaihas
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Maurice Hinchey, US congressman from New York, believes the Unites States should nationalize its oil refineries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vhft39_gkc
Does anyone else find this troubling?
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This is the kind of thing that should be shouted down from the rooftops. People should call for that guy to step down. Atrocious.
Why? You enjoy being sodomized by fat Oilbaron Ferengi?
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While I like the prospect of humbling oil companies, I don't believe this is a particularly good idea. As is commonly known, if the government gets involved with something it is bound to complicate it a great deal. If the companies were nationalized there would probably be gas lines and feuding with beauracracy. No I cant spell that word.
If you are not being responded to directly, you are probably on my ignore list.
The problem here is you, as is true of far too many who post here, have no idea if "involving the government" with somthing will "complicate it a great deal".
If it's "complicated" it's because checks and balances needed to deter, prevent, or minimize fraud, waste, and abuse.
Bureaucracy is not the sole province of government. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in fantastic amounts in the private sector. Take outfits like Halliburton and KBR, for example. A government auditor lost his job because he refused to process government payments to these two parasitical entities who were not fullfilling their contracts and our soldiers paid the price for it, as they received substandard meals and other services from these two entities. This man was doing the right thing, holding these corporations feet to the fire, and was fired because he was doing his job, not kowtowing to the cronies of the war criminal Cheney.
The key to avoiding this sort of public financed private plundering getting good, professional people (not asshats like Abu Gonzalez, for example) in place who are dedicated to providing solid, responsible management of the assets. Then holding the feet of war criminal pirates like Cheney to the fire. Medicare fraud, for example, isn't perpetrated by the government functionaries, it's perpetrated by private sector greedheads like the Frist familiy of Tennessee.
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OMG that is fricky scary that an American citizen, one that got into power even moreso, would want such a thing...
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
political suicide?
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Snapperhead Democrat Maxine Waters said the same thing when they were grilling the oil ceos. It was disgusting watching our elected officials attack private companies especially when they havn't a clue what they are talking about. They are supposed to represent all the people, not just their wacked out constituent. Guess they got tired of attacking baseball.
Morons morons morons! If Hugo Chaves were a USA citizen, he would be in congress. Or running for president on the dem ticket.
No way....he is from NY...we elect all sorts of morons.
The problem here is you, as is true of far too many who post here, have no idea if "involving the government" with somthing will "complicate it a great deal".
How about we head on down to Venezuela and ask the people how well things are going since Chavez nationalized everything?
The problem here is you, as is true of far too many who post here, have no idea if "involving the government" with somthing will "complicate it a great deal".
If it's "complicated" it's because checks and balances needed to deter, prevent, or minimize fraud, waste, and abuse.
Bureaucracy is not the sole province of government. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in fantastic amounts in the private sector. Take outfits like Halliburton and KBR, for example. A government auditor lost his job because he refused to process government payments to these two parasitical entities who were not fullfilling their contracts and our soldiers paid the price for it, as they received substandard meals and other services from these two entities. This man was doing the right thing, holding these corporations feet to the fire, and was fired because he was doing his job, not kowtowing to the cronies of the war criminal Cheney.
The key to avoiding this sort of public financed private plundering getting good, professional people (not asshats like Abu Gonzalez, for example) in place who are dedicated to providing solid, responsible management of the assets. Then holding the feet of war criminal pirates like Cheney to the fire. Medicare fraud, for example, isn't perpetrated by the government functionaries, it's perpetrated by private sector greedheads like the Frist familiy of Tennessee.
You are so naive i don't even know where to start.
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The problem here is you, as is true of far too many who post here, have no idea if "involving the government" with somthing will "complicate it a great deal".
If it's "complicated" it's because checks and balances needed to deter, prevent, or minimize fraud, waste, and abuse.
Bureaucracy is not the sole province of government. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in fantastic amounts in the private sector. Take outfits like Halliburton and KBR, for example. A government auditor lost his job because he refused to process government payments to these two parasitical entities who were not fullfilling their contracts and our soldiers paid the price for it, as they received substandard meals and other services from these two entities. This man was doing the right thing, holding these corporations feet to the fire, and was fired because he was doing his job, not kowtowing to the cronies of the war criminal Cheney.
The key to avoiding this sort of public financed private plundering getting good, professional people (not asshats like Abu Gonzalez, for example) in place who are dedicated to providing solid, responsible management of the assets. Then holding the feet of war criminal pirates like Cheney to the fire. Medicare fraud, for example, isn't perpetrated by the government functionaries, it's perpetrated by private sector greedheads like the Frist familiy of Tennessee.
As I work for the government and have personal experience with it from the inside, I think I have some reasonable experience to express such a view. Additionally, the example you cited with Cheney and what not only strengthens my case that the government in charge of oil would lead to serious problems not just with "checks and balances" otherwise known as beauracracy but also with kickbacks and corruption.
If you are not being responded to directly, you are probably on my ignore list.
The problem here is you, as is true of far too many who post here, have no idea if "involving the government" with somthing will "complicate it a great deal".
If it's "complicated" it's because checks and balances needed to deter, prevent, or minimize fraud, waste, and abuse.
Bureaucracy is not the sole province of government. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in fantastic amounts in the private sector. Take outfits like Halliburton and KBR, for example. A government auditor lost his job because he refused to process government payments to these two parasitical entities who were not fullfilling their contracts and our soldiers paid the price for it, as they received substandard meals and other services from these two entities. This man was doing the right thing, holding these corporations feet to the fire, and was fired because he was doing his job, not kowtowing to the cronies of the war criminal Cheney.
The key to avoiding this sort of public financed private plundering getting good, professional people (not asshats like Abu Gonzalez, for example) in place who are dedicated to providing solid, responsible management of the assets. Then holding the feet of war criminal pirates like Cheney to the fire. Medicare fraud, for example, isn't perpetrated by the government functionaries, it's perpetrated by private sector greedheads like the Frist familiy of Tennessee.
You are so naive i don't even know where to start.
That was my thought exactly. That post is such a mess, I'm not sure it's even worth the time or effort to breakdown.
The problem here is you, as is true of far too many who post here, have no idea if "involving the government" with somthing will "complicate it a great deal".
If it's "complicated" it's because checks and balances needed to deter, prevent, or minimize fraud, waste, and abuse.
Bureaucracy is not the sole province of government. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in fantastic amounts in the private sector. Take outfits like Halliburton and KBR, for example. A government auditor lost his job because he refused to process government payments to these two parasitical entities who were not fullfilling their contracts and our soldiers paid the price for it, as they received substandard meals and other services from these two entities. This man was doing the right thing, holding these corporations feet to the fire, and was fired because he was doing his job, not kowtowing to the cronies of the war criminal Cheney.
The key to avoiding this sort of public financed private plundering getting good, professional people (not asshats like Abu Gonzalez, for example) in place who are dedicated to providing solid, responsible management of the assets. Then holding the feet of war criminal pirates like Cheney to the fire. Medicare fraud, for example, isn't perpetrated by the government functionaries, it's perpetrated by private sector greedheads like the Frist familiy of Tennessee.
You are so naive i don't even know where to start.
That was my thought exactly. That post is such a mess, I'm not sure it's even worth the time or effort to breakdown.
When people start writing "war criminal pirate Cheney" I just stop reading. They are making it up as they go.
I think a troop of baboons would do a better job running the oil industry than congress would. Seriously. At least baboons can't be corrupt.
Double post
You seriously think the congress runs the oil industry?
What an idiot? I certainly hope that they don't ever nationalize oil refineries. It's basically just pouring gasoline on a fire. It would only make things worse. I am seriously losing faith in our government. We need politicians that are going to step up to the plate to fix the nation's current problems instead of suggesting half-baked quickfix solutions that would do more harm than good. Hopefully this won't pass. I can only hope.
well they would if they went and nationalized it now wouldn't they.
The problem here is you, as is true of far too many who post here, have no idea if "involving the government" with somthing will "complicate it a great deal".
If it's "complicated" it's because checks and balances needed to deter, prevent, or minimize fraud, waste, and abuse.
Bureaucracy is not the sole province of government. Waste, fraud, and abuse exist in fantastic amounts in the private sector. Take outfits like Halliburton and KBR, for example. A government auditor lost his job because he refused to process government payments to these two parasitical entities who were not fullfilling their contracts and our soldiers paid the price for it, as they received substandard meals and other services from these two entities. This man was doing the right thing, holding these corporations feet to the fire, and was fired because he was doing his job, not kowtowing to the cronies of the war criminal Cheney.
The key to avoiding this sort of public financed private plundering getting good, professional people (not asshats like Abu Gonzalez, for example) in place who are dedicated to providing solid, responsible management of the assets. Then holding the feet of war criminal pirates like Cheney to the fire. Medicare fraud, for example, isn't perpetrated by the government functionaries, it's perpetrated by private sector greedheads like the Frist familiy of Tennessee.
You are so naive i don't even know where to start.
Actually his post was pretty bang on. True naivety is trying to erode the power of democratically elected governments so the wealthy can anoint themselves kings/lords
One would think that a man as "educated" as Siobable would realize that the government is the primary reason for the sodomizing that he gets at the gas pump...but oh well, he can keep hating all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
There is some amount of logic to this. Oil isn't merely a random commodity. It's the blood of civilization, until we replace it with newer technology. We depend on oil for our survival, and people are beyond tired of the steadily escalating prices for something they require. People don't enjoy being held hostage by OPEC. And nationalized oil production would cut the speculators out of the picture, which account for something like 40% of our current fuel prices, give or take. The problem, of course, is that people think nationalized oil would eliminate ALL of these factors somehow. The government isn't magic, and 'American Oil' wouldn't really solve anything. I think in general it's a bad idea to wrap our economy in red tape. Oil is no exception.
Ummm no. Gas prices are what they are due to market forces; it’s the free market doing what the free market does.
Ummm no. Gas prices are what they are due to market forces; it’s the free market doing what the free market does.
That is, if you believe drilling will do nothing to prices. That is the Liberal stance although there is no proof. And the govenment takes more then the oil companies profit.
Ummm no. Gas prices are what they are due to market forces; it’s the free market doing what the free market does.
That is, if you believe drilling will do nothing to prices. That is the Liberal stance although there is no proof. And the govenment takes more then the oil companies profit.
It would be up to the market forces, except for the government preventing drilling offshore, and in the ANWAR, and natural gas drilling, and the construction of new refineries, and the construction of new nuclear plants...etc.
Drilling what? There isn’t enough *proved* reserves off the cost to meet US needs for even a single year. How is that supposed to bring down prices?