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Not really a surprise WoW is down with 5 weeks to go till the expansion pack, why bother spending time earning great raid gear that will replaced at lvl 73 by greens?
Warhammer being the polished game that it is wont ever get around where AoC is. Just for the plain fact that its 99.9% finished, its fun, there are actually things to do, pvp is way more balanced and fun, very few broken quests, pvp rank that actually works, better gear with stats that work, no lag (at least not for me), less crashes...I could go on and on but the fact that it has droped at bit does suprise me.
The one thing thats a huge indicator on how things are going between the two are, if you goto the AoC boards all you see is warhammer sucks, im back threads. On the Warhammer boards, you dont even see people talking about AoC because everyone knows its not even in the same league.
Im actually suprised you didnt like it Azrile. Everyone can see why almost everyone didnt like AoC. Its the first mmo since SWG (swg launch of course) that ive been really hooked to.
99% done, give me a fucking break. There are so many problems in Warhammer. Memory Leakage to buggy characteristics to many other flaws in the game. Sure the game is alot of fun. Still doesn't mean they are 99% complete, lol. They still have ALOT to do to make that game great. Mythic is a great company so I expect them to continue giving players what they want. They are doing a good job which may save Warhammer. The game itself is just alright. There's nothing new and great to it. Sure, public questing...but that's not necessarily new. Sure, RVR....but RVR is just like the battlegrounds in ways....when you look at the whole picture on Warhammer it's the same as all these games. Same Graphics, Same Gameplay (sure more pvp), and Same Concept. I've crashed 3 times in the past week. Not much and I'm sure it's something they are working on.
I'm sure alot of these things I am seeing wrong with the game they are working on. However, they aren't going to change the graphics which are just so so...and they probably won't fix the memory leakage anytime soon which causes lag for many players. Not to mention it causes the game to close slow as well. There are just certain things I don't like about Warhammer. Already sick of it. Feels like I've been there and done that. Why? Because I've played over 20 f2p games over the past year as well as WoW and other games just like it and they are all the same. With a few differences I still felt WAR was the same ol same ol. All of these games are all the same. We need something new, fresh, original, and creative. Sadly, I think I'm going to cancel my subscription to Warhammer and not go the extra month for now and hope something new and fresh comes out soon. Darkfall looks to be the next promising game. But, I'm not getting too hyped over it atm. I learned my lesson spending the 50 bucks before lotro came out, it sucked. Now Warhammer didn't do it for me and I feel as if I wasted 50.00 there. Well, it's a game I may come back to later on so it's not really wasted. Warhammer didn't suck and it wasn't unenjoyable. It just felt like the same repeating game I've been playing over the past 6 years.
- That simple.
Warhammer being the polished game that it is wont ever get around where AoC is. Just for the plain fact that its 99.9% finished, its fun, there are actually things to do, pvp is way more balanced and fun, very few broken quests, pvp rank that actually works, better gear with stats that work, no lag (at least not for me), less crashes...I could go on and on but the fact that it has droped at bit does suprise me.
The one thing thats a huge indicator on how things are going between the two are, if you goto the AoC boards all you see is warhammer sucks, im back threads. On the Warhammer boards, you dont even see people talking about AoC because everyone knows its not even in the same league.
Im actually suprised you didnt like it Azrile. Everyone can see why almost everyone didnt like AoC. Its the first mmo since SWG (swg launch of course) that ive been really hooked to.
99% done, give me a fucking break. There are so many problems in Warhammer. Memory Leakage to buggy characteristics to many other flaws in the game. Sure the game is alot of fun. Still doesn't mean they are 99% complete, lol. They still have ALOT to do to make that game great. Mythic is a great company so I expect them to continue giving players what they want. They are doing a good job which may save Warhammer. The game itself is just alright. There's nothing new and great to it. Sure, public questing...but that's not necessarily new. Sure, RVR....but RVR is just like the battlegrounds in ways....when you look at the whole picture on Warhammer it's the same as all these games. Same Graphics, Same Gameplay (sure more pvp), and Same Concept. I've crashed 3 times in the past week. Not much and I'm sure it's something they are working on.
I'm sure alot of these things I am seeing wrong with the game they are working on. However, they aren't going to change the graphics which are just so so...and they probably won't fix the memory leakage anytime soon which causes lag for many players. Not to mention it causes the game to close slow as well. There are just certain things I don't like about Warhammer. Already sick of it. Feels like I've been there and done that. Why? Because I've played over 20 f2p games over the past year as well as WoW and other games just like it and they are all the same. With a few differences I still felt WAR was the same ol same ol. All of these games are all the same. We need something new, fresh, original, and creative. Sadly, I think I'm going to cancel my subscription to Warhammer and not go the extra month for now and hope something new and fresh comes out soon. Darkfall looks to be the next promising game. But, I'm not getting too hyped over it atm. I learned my lesson spending the 50 bucks before lotro came out, it sucked. Now Warhammer didn't do it for me and I feel as if I wasted 50.00 there. Well, it's a game I may come back to later on so it's not really wasted. Warhammer didn't suck and it wasn't unenjoyable. It just felt like the same repeating game I've been playing over the past 6 years.
- That simple.
I wouldn t blame the games, i would think you need a MMO break. WAR is a good game, as you said -That simple.
The point is... the ratio of AoC players with Xfire has no reason to be rapidly fluctuating.
If 1% of the players are on Xfire, and all of them are playing 40% less on average, it's reasonable to think that a similar trend is going on with the ones that aren't on Xfire. You can think of Xfire kinda like a random sample, as Xfire membership and AoC subscribership are independent of one another.
Spoils of War - The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it.
Well lets not get carried away but at the very least it looks like AoC has finally reached stability. I think that this week is the first week ever that I've seen AoC look like it is holding it's numbers. Yesterday the numbers were even higher then a week ago.
This seems like a good sign. Maybe it's time to take another look at AoC. Esp once this new patch I saw mentioned awhile back is live or did it already go live?!
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Ethion
yeah it's holdings it's population much better now and I'd expect it too for the next month, by then they need to have made significant improvements so they don't lose too many to WoW. I personally expect them to lose maybe 20% of their subs to WoW at least in the short term. WoW will be huge huge fun for the first month after the expansion, after that it starts to settle back into the hardcore raid game which I personally tire of very quickly.
WOW will take all WAR subs back. There is no way a AoC gamer will go back to WOW. Sorry Graphics hold too high standard.
After analysing the graph of AoC (previous page) and the present Xfire graph of WAR...
The graphics of both games start to look similar.
War touched the 40K barrier now exactly after 3 weeks, just like AoC did.
The 4th week AOC held about 40 K (last week of free play).
The second month it was the 40K to 20K steady fall (paid subscriptions).
I wonder if War will continue the same trend and follow the 20K drop in its second month.
So... the public speaks....
If you really want to compare aoc and war, then AoC dropped a lot faster then war... Here is an exerpt from a post earlier in this thread.
"That small percentage of users are logging about half the hours there were at aunch. From over 95 K just after launch to 48 K yesterday. Lost a third of the hours from the last 2 weekends, June 8th it had 66K hours, June 15th 60K. It is pretty obvious that people are canceling their subs."
The 95k number was on around June 1. So after 2 weeks it was down by 30%??
Then later on the 24th I posted.
"3-4 weeks ago the aoc peak was 98,000 this week the peak is 48,000 and is the worst week since launch. Weekend numbers were pretty bad. It is the trend I'm looking at. Yesterday's patch was disappointing. June 26 is a big day for cancelations as maybe EA people have to resub that day."
So one thing is a fact AoC peaked a lot higher then War ever did and at this point about 3 weeks post launch War has less subs still then AoC but you can clearly see that AoC was dropping at a far greater rate at this time then War was.
And on the 26th the last day of subs the numbers dropped to 36K having last about 60% of it's peak in one Monday!! Here is the graph and keep your eye on the scale to the left.
So lets drop the war bashing this thread is about AoC and how it's subs are doing. Rather then bashing other games the good news is that AoC looks poised to actually make a come back so I'm not sure why people feel the need to wish bad things on War?
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Ethion
Do you ever make a post in any forum showing negative info and NOT bring up WAR? just a serious question.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
not going to lie.. i dont know what xfire is so i dont use it... neither does my guild in AOC.. and were the top 3rd guild on my server hah so xfire numbers decreasing doesnt weigh to much on showing AOC is failing. besides i know a bunch of people coming back to play.
I've heard more than my fair share of good and bad things concerning this game. If i wasn't already subscribed to 2 other MMO's I'd be willing to pick it up and try it out. Maybe next year i'll have the funds to support a third, or i might just cancel one of my others. I guess only time will tell.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
Well thats the beauty of it. You don't need to use xfire for the numbers to be valid. As long as something like 1 player in 100 use it and it is somewhat random then the numbers will accurately show game player trends. Like you said it looks like in the last week AoC has stablized. It doesn't appear to be declining for the last week. Since all games attrit players what it means is that and equal number of people are joining to the number of people leaving. So some people are coming back. I'm watching closely what they are doing with the patches and hoping some of the stuff I've read happens. Then maybe I'll be among those that are coming back
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Ethion
WOW will take all WAR subs back. There is no way a AoC gamer will go back to WOW. Sorry Graphics hold too high standard.
WoW is going to hurt WAR, perhaps more than it hurts AoC but you are living in a dreamworld if you think AoC is immune to loseing subs to games with worse graphics. WoW is going to take a significant percentage of the people whose AoC endgame is focused on raiding and collecting better gear, will take a significant percentage of people who like AoC for its leveling, a smaller but still significant percentage of the pvpers but few of the people who only play AoC because of it's graphics and combat system.
AoC is down to about 7% of the activity it had at the beinging on X-Fire and the vast majority of people who have left AoC have done so to go to games with worse graphics.
WOW will take all WAR subs back. There is no way a AoC gamer will go back to WOW. Sorry Graphics hold too high standard.
WoW is going to hurt WAR, perhaps more than it hurts AoC but you are living in a dreamworld if you think AoC is immune to loseing subs to games with worse graphics. WoW is going to take a significant percentage of the people whose AoC endgame is focused on raiding and collecting better gear, will take a significant percentage of people who like AoC for its leveling, a smaller but still significant percentage of the pvpers but few of the people who only play AoC because of it's graphics and combat system.
AoC is down to about 7% of the activity it had at the beinging on X-Fire and the vast majority of people who have left AoC have done so to go to games with worse graphics.
I'm not leaving AoC to play another game...
I'm just leaving AoC.
I don't use Xfire, and have played AoC less and less for the past one and a half months. But I do believe that enough AoC players use Xfire to be able to get an idea of overall activity in the game.
AoC better do some amazing things with the patch (whenever that will be) or else a game with better stability and more content will nab even more of their current players.
Epic fail of elementary statistics. Unless you can show xfire users are representative of all players of AOC the statistics can only represent xfire users. You can't.
And yet the numbers are right.... So I guess xfire users are in fact representative of all AoC users.
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Ethion
WOW will take all WAR subs back. There is no way a AoC gamer will go back to WOW. Sorry Graphics hold too high standard.
WoW is going to hurt WAR, perhaps more than it hurts AoC but you are living in a dreamworld if you think AoC is immune to loseing subs to games with worse graphics. WoW is going to take a significant percentage of the people whose AoC endgame is focused on raiding and collecting better gear, will take a significant percentage of people who like AoC for its leveling, a smaller but still significant percentage of the pvpers but few of the people who only play AoC because of it's graphics and combat system.
AoC is down to about 7% of the activity it had at the beinging on X-Fire and the vast majority of people who have left AoC have done so to go to games with worse graphics.
I'm not leaving AoC to play another game...
I'm just leaving AoC.
I don't use Xfire, and have played AoC less and less for the past one and a half months. But I do believe that enough AoC players use Xfire to be able to get an idea of overall activity in the game.
AoC better do some amazing things with the patch (whenever that will be) or else a game with better stability and more content will nab even more of their current players.
You know Soupgob, Ive followed your posts here and on the AoC, let me know when you land in a new game, ill come hang out with ya man!
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
You know Soupgob, Ive followed your posts here and on the AoC, let me know when you land in a new game, ill come hang out with ya man!
Right now I'm checking out some free trials to see what is out there, The only thing interesting to me right now is Stargate Worlds, If I don't make closed beta I will be a sad panda.
Epic fail of elementary statistics. Unless you can show xfire users are representative of all players of AOC the statistics can only represent xfire users. You can't.
And yet the numbers are right.... So I guess xfire users are in fact representative of all AoC users.
Xfire numbers don't show much at all. If you compare WAR and EQ2s number, and assumes that WARs numbers would be the same % users as EQ2, then EQ2 have 41K subs. It have about 3 times that numbers.
It might show a bit of how the game does from week to week but the fact is that PvP players use X-fire while PvE do it rarely.
AoC do have more PvE players at the time, screwing up the count. The numbers are just worthless, or at lease close to worthless.
Epic fail of elementary statistics. Unless you can show xfire users are representative of all players of AOC the statistics can only represent xfire users. You can't.
And yet the numbers are right.... So I guess xfire users are in fact representative of all AoC users.
Xfire numbers don't show much at all. If you compare WAR and EQ2s number, and assumes that WARs numbers would be the same % users as EQ2, then EQ2 have 41K subs. It have about 3 times that numbers.
It might show a bit of how the game does from week to week but the fact is that PvP players use X-fire while PvE do it rarely.
AoC do have more PvE players at the time, screwing up the count. The numbers are just worthless, or at lease close to worthless.
xfire is best for comparing trends within a game not directly comparing different games. Although comparing different games is going to introduce some error given a large enough sample it is likely still fairly accurate.
When defining the number of subs in a game like EQ2 you have to have an accurate assessment of the number of subs in one game you are comparing. That said war being a very new game the numbers are all over so using war as a baseline isn't gonna give you a good measure because frankly we got no idea how many subs there are to the game and they are changing. If you want a baseline wow is very stable and probably a better game to create a baseline from.
I'd compare LoTR which supposedly has something like 150k to EQ2 and say that EQ2 probably has maybe less then 1/3 based one relative numbers of players. So I'd put EQ2 probably around 30-60k subs and definitely 120k. Keep in mind also that this is the number of subs today not some number tossed out by SoE months ago or right after an expansion. These are the numbers NOW after being eroded by a number of new games like AoC and War which have both been released since EQ2 last reported numbers.
Using the same numbers this puts games like EQ, DaoC, Vanguard all around 10k subs. I'd say SoE is probably not much above 100k for all their games together...
However as the numbers get lower so will the margin of error. So games like EQ, DaoC, and vanguard could all vary somewhat since they have so few xfire users not being a very large sample for comparison to other games.
Another factor is that Xfire primarily shows hours played per day but it also shows unique players per day. For comparisons using unique players is better since it looks like different games have different average play times. For example lotr average is 3H 20M per play session. While EQ2 is around 4H 10M.
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Ethion
Was there a patch for AoC yesterday? I'm seeing that AoC hit a new low of around 4100 hours and I see some mention in the forums about patch 3.0. If this patch hasn't come out then it is looking like AoC might be dropping again... I thought the last patch got it stable but it looks like it was temporary??
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Ethion
big drop, 10% lower than the worst day before, no patch, still waiting on 3.0, hasn't been a patch for over a month, we have just past a billing date though so that could be it, could be part of the drop for the WoW expansion as there is no billing date (from those that brought at launch) from now untill the expansion.
Is this based on people who use xfire with AOC? If so then the info is flawed. I don't like and never use xfire. But I still may be subscribed to AOE.
Recent reports regarding a drop in AoC Xfire numbers is a LIE. They are lies, lied by the lying liers of the evil company Blizzard. They are just jealous because we have more subscriptions!
The truth is, AoC Xfire numbers are up 2000% since last week. You see, we have no problems? AoC is doing really well, servers are booming and thousands of people are subscribing every day.
Also new awesome content like drunken brawling is coming soon!