Its a sad day when a PnP game takes a que from an MMORPG and not the other way around. PnP games came first...were good enough that MMOs are the attempt to mimic them into an online digital enviroment. It should never be the other way around. MMO's should be taking there ques from PnP games like they always have.
PnP is all about creative content...not "rules". The rules don't even count for the most part if your real D&D players....cause hey...remember this: "Your DM...what you say goes...regardless...core rules included." Thats part of what makes D&D what it was.
4th Ed is the dumbed down version of DnD for the upcoming lazy generation...people who like everything handed to them...with little to no imagination...lead around on a chain....everything PnP D&D should stand against. Its made for the WOW crowd. Gary Gygax prolly turned over in his grave.
4th Edition seems to have pretty much cut out everything thats not a bare minimum for "hack n slash" gaming. I even find the terms used to generic the class types offensive. They even cut BARD completly out of the game for example.
I've played every edition of D&D to date...still have my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 3.5 books...I don't forsee myself getting into or using much if any of the 4th edition rules personally. Apologies for the rant...its too biased and not very objectional.
Anyways...the biggest point to 4th edition...is the money. Guess what...all those 3.5 books everyone bought...the hundreds probably published....now they get to re-release them all in 4th edition for everyone to buy all over again. They started to run short on new creative content...so it was time to change the rules to keep the money flowing by regurgitating all the same content over with the new system. Once that is tapped out...look forward to 5th edition...
I can say for certain that this edition is unlike, in style and outlook, any edition before it.
Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen; the reason being that unlike many previous editions, we have not received the bulk of the rules/content with the three core books. We will be asked to spend more money for what at one time were iconic classes, races and monsters (just for example).
This, if nothing else, validates the comparison to online RPG's.
Bit by bit, dollar by dollar, we we receive the rest of 4ed. Then, and really only then, will we be able to offer a truly informed opinion as to its worth compared to previous editions.
Comments
Wow and I thought I was old
I just got 100 years younger maybe now these old fingers will be able to type better
Thanks for the heads up
this thread reads like these guys:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Fear-of-Girls-ADD
Its a sad day when a PnP game takes a que from an MMORPG and not the other way around. PnP games came first...were good enough that MMOs are the attempt to mimic them into an online digital enviroment. It should never be the other way around. MMO's should be taking there ques from PnP games like they always have.
PnP is all about creative content...not "rules". The rules don't even count for the most part if your real D&D players....cause hey...remember this: "Your DM...what you say goes...regardless...core rules included." Thats part of what makes D&D what it was.
4th Ed is the dumbed down version of DnD for the upcoming lazy generation...people who like everything handed to them...with little to no imagination...lead around on a chain....everything PnP D&D should stand against. Its made for the WOW crowd. Gary Gygax prolly turned over in his grave.
4th Edition seems to have pretty much cut out everything thats not a bare minimum for "hack n slash" gaming. I even find the terms used to generic the class types offensive. They even cut BARD completly out of the game for example.
I've played every edition of D&D to date...still have my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 3.5 books...I don't forsee myself getting into or using much if any of the 4th edition rules personally. Apologies for the rant...its too biased and not very objectional.
Anyways...the biggest point to 4th edition...is the money. Guess what...all those 3.5 books everyone bought...the hundreds probably published....now they get to re-release them all in 4th edition for everyone to buy all over again. They started to run short on new creative content...so it was time to change the rules to keep the money flowing by regurgitating all the same content over with the new system. Once that is tapped out...look forward to 5th edition...
~I am Many~
Been playing D&D for 32 years.
That means I am old.
I can say for certain that this edition is unlike, in style and outlook, any edition before it.
Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen; the reason being that unlike many previous editions, we have not received the bulk of the rules/content with the three core books. We will be asked to spend more money for what at one time were iconic classes, races and monsters (just for example).
This, if nothing else, validates the comparison to online RPG's.
Bit by bit, dollar by dollar, we we receive the rest of 4ed. Then, and really only then, will we be able to offer a truly informed opinion as to its worth compared to previous editions.