Some people weren't ready for this big and complex of a game and they're computers wern't either. Thats why so many people said this game sucked.
Um, I think epople said it sucked because it...well.....sucked.
I am always weary when phrases from failed franchises say that the public was not "ready" for their product. If not ready, means dealing with tons of bugs and brutal performance with bad animations, etc then I guess many of us aren't ready.
It's all a matter of taste .. I think it deserves its ratings. But i know the majority dose not. So all you can do is see for yourself.
If it is all a matter of taste then why the "hehe" comments about Goldknyght playing AoC?
Pot..kettle..black?
Yeah, I mean look. Vanguard is not a bad game. As you can see I mentioned some very nice features it has. However I still feel that it lacks in some areas that bug me personally. These issues may not bug you or someone else.
This is why we all play different games.
I currently play WoW and AoC. I play WoW for the amazing, huge world and top gameplay, and I play AoC when I want some sweet eye candy, and want to smash some heads and enjoy what I think is an awesome combat system..
Sarcasm dont run in your family does it .. For someone to say a game is complete shit when i know it isnt .. i will say that i think AoC is bland and shallow.
Maybe because people care more about gameplay rather than character models?
Exactly. This is why WoW is still king. Say all you want, nothing matches the game play of WoW.
Game A has better pvp, Game B has better graphics, Game C is free, but no one has been able to put all three together.
We all have our personal preferences,I really didnt enjoy WoW all that much.... I got bored quick, I had so much more fun playing FFXI and now Im playing EQ2 and it blows WoW out of the water I think and im only lvl 23.. IDK why my sig isnt updating lol.. I like EQ2 for better graphics better gameplay, better classes, I gotta say Necromancers are just the shiznit. As the saying goes one mans junk is another mans treasure and that goes both ways.
I guess ive always been a underground type of guy. I never liked popular music and bands and I guess I dont like the most popular games. Im just slightly off to left field and have never had anything in common with the masses.
Maybe because people care more about gameplay rather than character models?
Exactly. This is why WoW is still king. Say all you want, nothing matches the game play of WoW.
Game A has better pvp, Game B has better graphics, Game C is free, but no one has been able to put all three together.
We all have our personal preferences,I really didnt enjoy WoW all that much.... I got bored quick, I had so much more fun playing FFXI and now Im playing EQ2 and it blows WoW out of the water I thinkg. Better graphics better gameplay, better classes, I gotta say Necromancers are just the shiznit. As the saying goes one mans junk is another mans treasure and that goes both ways.
I guess ive always been a underground type of guy. I never liked popular music and bands and I guess I dont like the most popular games. Im just slightly off to left field and have never had anything in common with the masses.
I have tried to play Everquest 2 sssoooo many times. I just cant do it. I love good gameplay, but I could not get passed the fact that after 30 years of enjoying video games, no graphics I have ever seen looks as bland as EQ2. It is almost as if someone put a grey filter over the whole canvas. Not to mention the whole engine is mostly tied to your CPU, and it does not use dual cores so no matter what graphics card you have with an awesome dual core computer, turn on the shadows and enjoy 25fps...not for me.
Sarcasm dont run in your family does it .. For someone to say a game is complete shit when i know it isnt .. i will say that i think AoC is bland and shallow. But not that you or anyone else cares
well the problems people are having with the game dont effect me. I have no issues with the game, but i read the forums and i know that alot of other people are. So yeah vanguard is complete shyte and it was when it launched it still is today, the performance issues are still there to this day so yeah i think i can say that and not feel that AoC is bland and shallow.
The recent hype? One person said the game was good and wrote a nice article and you think people are tearing down the fences to get this game? I love the game but c'mon now, vanguard lost its hype when they released it.
WoW - most people played and if you haven't well you should give it a shot if you can't run vanguard, it streamlined and took away all creativity and depth we thought MMOs would have, great game though
LOTRO - wow clone, simple and boring game if you ask me, if you like this style, play WoW, not this
AoC - Um, if you like PvP and a hybrid singleplayer/GW game, then by all means, but its not like vanguard at all
WAR - Um it isn't out yet and it won't be for awhile, we all have hopes for it but vanguard is here now and great
Bugs are bugs. I don't let them stop me from playing a great experience.
Sarcasm dont run in your family does it .. For someone to say a game is complete shit when i know it isnt .. i will say that i think AoC is bland and shallow. But not that you or anyone else cares
well the problems people are having with the game dont effect me. I have no issues with the game, but i read the forums and i know that alot of other people are. So yeah vanguard is complete shyte and it was when it launched it still is today, the performance issues are still there to this day so yeah i think i can say that and not feel that AoC is bland and shallow.
talk about a contradiction in terms lol you have no issues with the game but then revert to copout bandwagon bs. The performance issues that you speak on hinges towards wow's sacrifice for shallow depth (questing in wow is for dumbshytes) for fast gameplay vs. indepth and tedious content which take alot more ingame (coding) calculations to consider. Your 'review' is pitiful at best.
Sarcasm dont run in your family does it .. For someone to say a game is complete shit when i know it isnt .. i will say that i think AoC is bland and shallow. But not that you or anyone else cares
well the problems people are having with the game dont effect me. I have no issues with the game, but i read the forums and i know that alot of other people are. So yeah vanguard is complete shyte and it was when it launched it still is today, the performance issues are still there to this day so yeah i think i can say that and not feel that AoC is bland and shallow.
talk about a contradiction in terms lol you have no issues with the game but then revert to copout bandwagon bs. The performance issues that you speak on hinges towards wow's sacrifice for shallow depth (questing in wow is for dumbshytes) for fast gameplay vs. indepth and tedious content which take alot more ingame (coding) calculations to consider. Your 'review' is pitiful at best.
I have never seen such holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude regarding an MMO community.
Call me a dumbshyte, I enjoy the WoW quests.
Why? Because they are FUN. Isn't that why we play?
basically wow is nothing more than cliff notes to a shakespearan play
Interesting....when last I checked many millions of people enjoy Shakespeare. For your example to be true, millions would have to enjoy whatever MMO YOU "think" is more intelligent. As it is, WoW is the one with millions and these "better" games are the ones without interest. Thats the difference here. Shakespeare is timeless, and whatever stupid MMo concept you happen to like IS NOT.
By even comparing these mindless, ignorant, bland, and empty games to something as detailed and deep as Shakespeare is an insult to intelligence everywhere....and a VERY big sign that we can safely write you off as a troll that has no clue what he is EVER talking about. There is no "smart" MMO, and there was nothing "dumbed down" by any OTHER MMO. The only real difference has always been how much time each company feels you should waste before getting to enjoy something. Thankfully, we've long since moved away from the era of "Hay Gaiz...lets LFG for 10 hours!" and into a land where we can actually enjoy the game AS a game and still have plenty of things to do with our friends when such a time comes that we are all online together.
I played all of them, wow, lotro, eq2, eve, aoc, vg etc.
I never really could get into wow eventhough I admit it is a good game. I agree that it watered down the whole genre and that we can't really expect something really different for quite some time now.
I somehow liked eq2 eventhough it is very similar as it are all of the above except eve of course. All are nothing but eq/wow clones. Some with pvp other without. I believe all of the mentioned eq/wow clones are good games. VG had a real bad start and it took soe quite some time to get the game in a reasonable shape. Its start will never be forgotten and it will unfortunately never get a player base it deserves. I think it deserves as many subscribers as any of the other mentioned games as they are basically variations of the same thing with slight differences for different tastes. I personally really like vg. Some don't. Some don't trust soe, some don't think it is any better as it was at start. Just like I don't really like wow and aoc eventhough they are good games.
basically wow is nothing more than cliff notes to a shakespearan play
Interesting....when last I checked many millions of people enjoy Shakespeare. For your example to be true, millions would have to enjoy whatever MMO YOU "think" is more intelligent. As it is, WoW is the one with millions and these "better" games are the ones without interest. Thats the difference here. Shakespeare is timeless, and whatever stupid MMo concept you happen to like IS NOT.
By even comparing these mindless, ignorant, bland, and empty games to something as detailed and deep as Shakespeare is an insult to intelligence everywhere....and a VERY big sign that we can safely write you off as a troll that has no clue what he is EVER talking about. There is no "smart" MMO, and there was nothing "dumbed down" by any OTHER MMO. The only real difference has always been how much time each company feels you should waste before getting to enjoy something. Thankfully, we've long since moved away from the era of "Hay Gaiz...lets LFG for 10 hours!" and into a land where we can actually enjoy the game AS a game and still have plenty of things to do with our friends when such a time comes that we are all online together.
You make me sick.
more intelligent? lol more calculations running simultaneously take up and squeeze resources dumbass that is why WoW doesnt quite measure up to a game that does have the tedious content just as using cliff notes to a shakespearan play as an ANALOGY. You do know what those are right? or are you still looking for 'more intelligent' ways to try and reverse my opinion? Your opinion to enjoy a game is your perogative but when gamers come together you should expect differing opinions even to the point they might use an analogy. lol If you want someone to pat you on your hand while keeping their opinions to themselves then this mmorpg forum isnt for you.
What I wrote earlier has NOTHING to do about a game having more or less "intelligence" but then again I wouldnt expect you to understand.
Ive played EQ1 (1 year), WoW (2 years), EQ2 (1.5 years), Lotro (6 months), DDO, CoH, etc., etc. I gave AoC a decent chance, (level 50 guardian, level 35 demonologist), but I have been finding it harder and harder to log on. I just cancelled my AoC subscription. Im going back to Vanguard. Its my game of choice at the moment.
These are games for christsake! Not marriages or girlfriends. They all have their good and bad points, including Vanguard. But to say Vanguard is a piece of **** is far from the truth and reflects more on the speaker than the game. IMO VG is more enjoyable than many others that Ive played, Do I care whether you play it, or what your opinion of it is? Hell no. I make up my own mind by actually playing different games, and then gravitating to the ones I like. Is it overhyped? Not by a long shot, given its horrendous reputation.
Sounded vaguely reasonable until the last paragraph, all of the mentioned games excluding Warhammer which is an unknown, are complete trash.
I think your statement above is completely unreasonable.
If you are going to sit here and tell me WoW, LOTRO and Age of Conan are COMPLETE trash, you should give up MMO's.
... SWG before NGE) ... are all better than those three I highlighted in your post...in fact, they are better than the constant leveling, lame raiding, theme park worlds.
OMG, I just laughed so hard that milk came out my nose....and I haven't had any milk for a week.
From day one, SWG was an unmitigated piece of crap, and just kept getting worse with every patch. Most of the professions were half broken. The housing system was a piece of junk, with many houses embedded in the ground. Sure, it was kind of neat that you could put houses everywhere and decorate them. But what was the point? After a while, the landscape was flooded with abandoned housing. PVP was dominated by 2 or 3 cookie cutter templates. The content was so pathetically easy, you could level your character AFK--WITHOUT EVEN USING A THIRD PARTY PROGRAM!
For the first year and a half of its existence, the game had NOTHING to do with Star Wars. There was no space for God's sake. Most of your time was spent mass murdering giant chickens or primitive cave men with a club for no apparent reason. Within months of launch, 80% of the population was off grinding to become a jedi, and within a year, practically everybody WAS a jedi.
What else did it have other than "constant leveling" (*ahem*, hologrind), lame raiding (*ahem* the Geo Caves, the Corvette) and "theme parks" (*cough*The Village*cough*). Nothing, just grind grind grind.
And on top of all that, there was hardly any content of any kind that actually worked. I'm all for having a sandbox (assuming the sandbox features even work and have a purpose). But building a sandbox is no excuse for having little or not content.
I admit...I played the game for almost 2 years,off and on, and managed to have some fun, largely because of the community I rolled with. But I can't figure out for the life of me why, after 3 years, people are still pining away for the broken mess that this game was, even "pre-CU". After I switched to a new game that actually worked, I just looked back scratched my head in disbelief.
Sad. Very Sad.
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Um, I think epople said it sucked because it...well.....sucked.
I am always weary when phrases from failed franchises say that the public was not "ready" for their product. If not ready, means dealing with tons of bugs and brutal performance with bad animations, etc then I guess many of us aren't ready.
Exactly. This is why WoW is still king. Say all you want, nothing matches the game play of WoW.
Game A has better pvp, Game B has better graphics, Game C is free, but no one has been able to put all three together.
It's all a matter of taste .. I think it deserves its ratings. But i know the majority dose not. So all you can do is see for yourself.
www.massively.com/2008/05/22/player-vs-everything-singing-the-praises-of-vanguard/
And this proves what justbe was saying if u see the comments at the bottom you see about 10 of the same people going back in forth on this.
Well, a re-review from a respected source means much more than 10 fanbois bantering back and forth, hence why I provided the linkage...
If it is all a matter of taste then why the "hehe" comments about Goldknyght playing AoC?
Pot..kettle..black?
Yeah, I mean look. Vanguard is not a bad game. As you can see I mentioned some very nice features it has. However I still feel that it lacks in some areas that bug me personally. These issues may not bug you or someone else.
This is why we all play different games.
I currently play WoW and AoC. I play WoW for the amazing, huge world and top gameplay, and I play AoC when I want some sweet eye candy, and want to smash some heads and enjoy what I think is an awesome combat system..
well AoC has its problems but none that effect me and the problems they do have are nothing compared to the launch months of Vanguard.... HEHEHE
Sarcasm dont run in your family does it .. For someone to say a game is complete shit when i know it isnt .. i will say that i think AoC is bland and shallow.
But not that you or anyone else cares
Exactly. This is why WoW is still king. Say all you want, nothing matches the game play of WoW.
Game A has better pvp, Game B has better graphics, Game C is free, but no one has been able to put all three together.
We all have our personal preferences,I really didnt enjoy WoW all that much.... I got bored quick, I had so much more fun playing FFXI and now Im playing EQ2 and it blows WoW out of the water I think and im only lvl 23.. IDK why my sig isnt updating lol.. I like EQ2 for better graphics better gameplay, better classes, I gotta say Necromancers are just the shiznit. As the saying goes one mans junk is another mans treasure and that goes both ways.
I guess ive always been a underground type of guy. I never liked popular music and bands and I guess I dont like the most popular games. Im just slightly off to left field and have never had anything in common with the masses.
Exactly. This is why WoW is still king. Say all you want, nothing matches the game play of WoW.
Game A has better pvp, Game B has better graphics, Game C is free, but no one has been able to put all three together.
We all have our personal preferences,I really didnt enjoy WoW all that much.... I got bored quick, I had so much more fun playing FFXI and now Im playing EQ2 and it blows WoW out of the water I thinkg. Better graphics better gameplay, better classes, I gotta say Necromancers are just the shiznit. As the saying goes one mans junk is another mans treasure and that goes both ways.
I guess ive always been a underground type of guy. I never liked popular music and bands and I guess I dont like the most popular games. Im just slightly off to left field and have never had anything in common with the masses.
I have tried to play Everquest 2 sssoooo many times. I just cant do it. I love good gameplay, but I could not get passed the fact that after 30 years of enjoying video games, no graphics I have ever seen looks as bland as EQ2. It is almost as if someone put a grey filter over the whole canvas. Not to mention the whole engine is mostly tied to your CPU, and it does not use dual cores so no matter what graphics card you have with an awesome dual core computer, turn on the shadows and enjoy 25fps...not for me.
well the problems people are having with the game dont effect me. I have no issues with the game, but i read the forums and i know that alot of other people are. So yeah vanguard is complete shyte and it was when it launched it still is today, the performance issues are still there to this day so yeah i think i can say that and not feel that AoC is bland and shallow.
The recent hype? One person said the game was good and wrote a nice article and you think people are tearing down the fences to get this game? I love the game but c'mon now, vanguard lost its hype when they released it.
WoW - most people played and if you haven't well you should give it a shot if you can't run vanguard, it streamlined and took away all creativity and depth we thought MMOs would have, great game though
LOTRO - wow clone, simple and boring game if you ask me, if you like this style, play WoW, not this
AoC - Um, if you like PvP and a hybrid singleplayer/GW game, then by all means, but its not like vanguard at all
WAR - Um it isn't out yet and it won't be for awhile, we all have hopes for it but vanguard is here now and great
Bugs are bugs. I don't let them stop me from playing a great experience.
well the problems people are having with the game dont effect me. I have no issues with the game, but i read the forums and i know that alot of other people are. So yeah vanguard is complete shyte and it was when it launched it still is today, the performance issues are still there to this day so yeah i think i can say that and not feel that AoC is bland and shallow.
talk about a contradiction in terms lol you have no issues with the game but then revert to copout bandwagon bs. The performance issues that you speak on hinges towards wow's sacrifice for shallow depth (questing in wow is for dumbshytes) for fast gameplay vs. indepth and tedious content which take alot more ingame (coding) calculations to consider. Your 'review' is pitiful at best.
basically wow is nothing more than cliff notes to a shakespearan play
well the problems people are having with the game dont effect me. I have no issues with the game, but i read the forums and i know that alot of other people are. So yeah vanguard is complete shyte and it was when it launched it still is today, the performance issues are still there to this day so yeah i think i can say that and not feel that AoC is bland and shallow.
talk about a contradiction in terms lol you have no issues with the game but then revert to copout bandwagon bs. The performance issues that you speak on hinges towards wow's sacrifice for shallow depth (questing in wow is for dumbshytes) for fast gameplay vs. indepth and tedious content which take alot more ingame (coding) calculations to consider. Your 'review' is pitiful at best.
I have never seen such holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude regarding an MMO community.
Call me a dumbshyte, I enjoy the WoW quests.
Why? Because they are FUN. Isn't that why we play?
Interesting....when last I checked many millions of people enjoy Shakespeare. For your example to be true, millions would have to enjoy whatever MMO YOU "think" is more intelligent. As it is, WoW is the one with millions and these "better" games are the ones without interest. Thats the difference here. Shakespeare is timeless, and whatever stupid MMo concept you happen to like IS NOT.
By even comparing these mindless, ignorant, bland, and empty games to something as detailed and deep as Shakespeare is an insult to intelligence everywhere....and a VERY big sign that we can safely write you off as a troll that has no clue what he is EVER talking about. There is no "smart" MMO, and there was nothing "dumbed down" by any OTHER MMO. The only real difference has always been how much time each company feels you should waste before getting to enjoy something. Thankfully, we've long since moved away from the era of "Hay Gaiz...lets LFG for 10 hours!" and into a land where we can actually enjoy the game AS a game and still have plenty of things to do with our friends when such a time comes that we are all online together.
You make me sick.
I played all of them, wow, lotro, eq2, eve, aoc, vg etc.
I never really could get into wow eventhough I admit it is a good game. I agree that it watered down the whole genre and that we can't really expect something really different for quite some time now.
I somehow liked eq2 eventhough it is very similar as it are all of the above except eve of course. All are nothing but eq/wow clones. Some with pvp other without. I believe all of the mentioned eq/wow clones are good games. VG had a real bad start and it took soe quite some time to get the game in a reasonable shape. Its start will never be forgotten and it will unfortunately never get a player base it deserves. I think it deserves as many subscribers as any of the other mentioned games as they are basically variations of the same thing with slight differences for different tastes. I personally really like vg. Some don't. Some don't trust soe, some don't think it is any better as it was at start. Just like I don't really like wow and aoc eventhough they are good games.
Interesting....when last I checked many millions of people enjoy Shakespeare. For your example to be true, millions would have to enjoy whatever MMO YOU "think" is more intelligent. As it is, WoW is the one with millions and these "better" games are the ones without interest. Thats the difference here. Shakespeare is timeless, and whatever stupid MMo concept you happen to like IS NOT.
By even comparing these mindless, ignorant, bland, and empty games to something as detailed and deep as Shakespeare is an insult to intelligence everywhere....and a VERY big sign that we can safely write you off as a troll that has no clue what he is EVER talking about. There is no "smart" MMO, and there was nothing "dumbed down" by any OTHER MMO. The only real difference has always been how much time each company feels you should waste before getting to enjoy something. Thankfully, we've long since moved away from the era of "Hay Gaiz...lets LFG for 10 hours!" and into a land where we can actually enjoy the game AS a game and still have plenty of things to do with our friends when such a time comes that we are all online together.
You make me sick.
more intelligent? lol more calculations running simultaneously take up and squeeze resources dumbass that is why WoW doesnt quite measure up to a game that does have the tedious content just as using cliff notes to a shakespearan play as an ANALOGY. You do know what those are right? or are you still looking for 'more intelligent' ways to try and reverse my opinion? Your opinion to enjoy a game is your perogative but when gamers come together you should expect differing opinions even to the point they might use an analogy. lol If you want someone to pat you on your hand while keeping their opinions to themselves then this mmorpg forum isnt for you.
What I wrote earlier has NOTHING to do about a game having more or less "intelligence" but then again I wouldnt expect you to understand.
Ive played EQ1 (1 year), WoW (2 years), EQ2 (1.5 years), Lotro (6 months), DDO, CoH, etc., etc. I gave AoC a decent chance, (level 50 guardian, level 35 demonologist), but I have been finding it harder and harder to log on. I just cancelled my AoC subscription. Im going back to Vanguard. Its my game of choice at the moment.
These are games for christsake! Not marriages or girlfriends. They all have their good and bad points, including Vanguard. But to say Vanguard is a piece of **** is far from the truth and reflects more on the speaker than the game. IMO VG is more enjoyable than many others that Ive played, Do I care whether you play it, or what your opinion of it is? Hell no. I make up my own mind by actually playing different games, and then gravitating to the ones I like. Is it overhyped? Not by a long shot, given its horrendous reputation.
Vanguards alright, like a modernized EQ1. Performance is a bit choppy, theirs a few things you can do to up your fps though.
I think your statement above is completely unreasonable.
If you are going to sit here and tell me WoW, LOTRO and Age of Conan are COMPLETE trash, you should give up MMO's.
... SWG before NGE) ... are all better than those three I highlighted in your post...in fact, they are better than the constant leveling, lame raiding, theme park worlds.
OMG, I just laughed so hard that milk came out my nose....and I haven't had any milk for a week.
From day one, SWG was an unmitigated piece of crap, and just kept getting worse with every patch. Most of the professions were half broken. The housing system was a piece of junk, with many houses embedded in the ground. Sure, it was kind of neat that you could put houses everywhere and decorate them. But what was the point? After a while, the landscape was flooded with abandoned housing. PVP was dominated by 2 or 3 cookie cutter templates. The content was so pathetically easy, you could level your character AFK--WITHOUT EVEN USING A THIRD PARTY PROGRAM!
For the first year and a half of its existence, the game had NOTHING to do with Star Wars. There was no space for God's sake. Most of your time was spent mass murdering giant chickens or primitive cave men with a club for no apparent reason. Within months of launch, 80% of the population was off grinding to become a jedi, and within a year, practically everybody WAS a jedi.
What else did it have other than "constant leveling" (*ahem*, hologrind), lame raiding (*ahem* the Geo Caves, the Corvette) and "theme parks" (*cough*The Village*cough*). Nothing, just grind grind grind.
And on top of all that, there was hardly any content of any kind that actually worked. I'm all for having a sandbox (assuming the sandbox features even work and have a purpose). But building a sandbox is no excuse for having little or not content.
I admit...I played the game for almost 2 years,off and on, and managed to have some fun, largely because of the community I rolled with. But I can't figure out for the life of me why, after 3 years, people are still pining away for the broken mess that this game was, even "pre-CU". After I switched to a new game that actually worked, I just looked back scratched my head in disbelief.
Sad. Very Sad.
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May I be so bold as to say that the following line submitted by you in this thrad, proves otherwise"
"questing in wow is for dumbshytes"
This shows, although somewhat indirectly, that you think WoW is an unintelligent game..