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AoC Game Director says LotRO & WoW are like McDonalds.

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  • YeeboYeebo Member UncommonPosts: 1,361
    Originally posted by fortuente


    Then I'm sure it will be an awesome game. Unless it turns out like Tabula Rasa, which is sadly about as complete a failure as you can get. Talk about patience - the hardcore TR fanboi has to be the most patient sort of person in existence.

    I just tried that one out for a couple of weeks.  I admire the fortitude of anyone that's been playing it since launch.  It seemed like it would have been furn for around a month if it hadn't made my PC weep blood, but it didn't seem like there was nearly enough to it to keep me hanghing on 8 months in..

    I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    I tried AoC for about a week. I really think the people at Funcom better worry about fixing their own game rather than trying to put any other games down. They are hosing up their game pretty good in my opinion. If Lotro is McDonalds, then AoC is the greasy spoon that was shut down by the health department for getting their meat at the animal shelter.

    I miss DAoC

  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by Jackdog


    I tried AoC for about a week. I really think the people at Funcom better worry about fixing their own game rather than trying to put any other games down. They are hosing up their game pretty good in my opinion. If Lotro is McDonalds, then AoC is the greasy spoon that was shut down by the health department for getting their meat at the animal shelter.

     

    I think we all need to remember...

    It is not AoC that is the crap, it is Funcom. They took a game with high ambition, high hopes, and great mechanics, and trashed it beyond belief.

    I know everyone gets on my case because I always give LOTRO a hard time, but I will say this. Turbine stuck it out, tried to make the right decisions, and have added the content now, added features like housing and fishing...

    AoC has a long way to go, and can only make it if Funcom pulls that thumb out

    Later

  • SharkypalSharkypal Member Posts: 1,137
    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    I tried AoC for about a week. I really think the people at Funcom better worry about fixing their own game rather than trying to put any other games down. They are hosing up their game pretty good in my opinion. If Lotro is McDonalds, then AoC is the greasy spoon that was shut down by the health department for getting their meat at the animal shelter.

     

    I think we all need to remember...

    It is not AoC that is the crap, it is Funcom. They took a game with high ambition, high hopes, and great mechanics, and trashed it beyond belief.

    I know everyone gets on my case because I always give LOTRO a hard time, but I will say this. Turbine stuck it out, tried to make the right decisions, and have added the content now, added features like housing and fishing...

    AoC has a long way to go, and can only make it if Funcom pulls that thumb out

    Later



     

    People on here have already disproved your "lack of content" argument (myself included). People get on your case because you are an incessant naysayer who spends his time attacking a game he has little or no clue about and doesnt even play.

    I see you are trying to be a little more moderate in your approach but it doesn't take away from your previous posts, many of which are just unfounded attacks for what reason I am sure we  will never know.

    And IMHO AoC is an absolute disaster and what kind of an idiotic statement is "It is not AoC that is the crap, it is Funcom?". AoC is a half finished joke of a game with a major lack of content and unlike your claims about Lotro, these are heavily documented. I concede your point, if things were different, they wouldnt be the same. Failcom FLAT OUT lied to everyone about many game features that were not in the launch client but Im sure you know all this.

    Next you'll be trying to you'll us that Lotro's launch was similar to AoCs. In all seriousness, you've made your "point" and no one here agrees with you. You're not going to change anyone's mind and no one is going to stop playing based on your fabricated information. I really hope you come back for MoM and enjoy the game and I mean that sincerely. Otherwise I suggest you move on to something else and leave us to enjoy Middle Earth.

    S

  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    I tried AoC for about a week. I really think the people at Funcom better worry about fixing their own game rather than trying to put any other games down. They are hosing up their game pretty good in my opinion. If Lotro is McDonalds, then AoC is the greasy spoon that was shut down by the health department for getting their meat at the animal shelter.

     

    I think we all need to remember...

    It is not AoC that is the crap, it is Funcom. They took a game with high ambition, high hopes, and great mechanics, and trashed it beyond belief.

    I know everyone gets on my case because I always give LOTRO a hard time, but I will say this. Turbine stuck it out, tried to make the right decisions, and have added the content now, added features like housing and fishing...

    AoC has a long way to go, and can only make it if Funcom pulls that thumb out

    Later



     

    People on here have already disproved your "lack of content" argument (myself included). People get on your case because you are an incessant naysayer who spends his time attacking a game he has little or no clue about and doesnt even play.

    I see you are trying to be a little more moderate in your approach but it doesn't take away from your previous posts, many of which are just unfounded attacks for what reason I am sure we  will never know.

    And IMHO AoC is an absolute disaster and what kind of an idiotic statement is "It is not AoC that is the crap, it is Funcom?". AoC is a half finished joke of a game with a major lack of content and unlike your claims about Lotro, these are heavily documented. I concede your point, if things were different, they wouldnt be the same. Failcom FLAT OUT lied to everyone about many game features that were not in the launch client but Im sure you know all this.

    Next you'll be trying to you'll us that Lotro's launch was similar to AoCs. In all seriousness, you've made your "point" and no one here agrees with you. You're not going to change anyone's mind and no one is going to stop playing based on your fabricated information. I really hope you come back for MoM and enjoy the game and I mean that sincerely. Otherwise I suggest you move on to something else and leave us to enjoy Middle Earth.

    S

     

    Anger management would help with that attitude...really.

    No, I was in Closed Beta 1, 2, Open and a Founder at launch, and already knew there was no way I was going to pay a $199.00, because I felt it was not worth it. The game had too many quirks that we told Turbine about over and over. They did not fix them.

    AoC for it's 50 bucks was worth a lot more to me, as it looked better, played better game wise (even performance wise). But, like you said. It is my opinion, just like you have yours and your belief that LOTRO was ready at launch.

    No, it was not as bad as AoC, but my only point was it was not perfect no matter how much you wish to dream it was. I have shown based on actual Turbine patch notes how many issues existed.

    But, thanks to a great starting zone (reason Turbine stopped Pre-laucnh players at level 15, so their reviews would expound upon the polished beginner area...kinda like a Funcom title), people saw a great stable game.

    It was good...just not perfect, no matter how many rose colored glasses you wear.

    But, you really are taking this a little too personal "Leave US to enjoy Middle Earth". I am glad you are happy there, but it does not mean that I cannot voice my opinion about it's issues either.

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  • PapadamPapadam Member Posts: 2,102

    Openedge did you know that EU player wasnt capped at lvl 15 in the pre-release... 10-days without restrictions?

    And I think the US pre-release was a month or something.. so I dont think its comparable to AoC...

     

    and the OPEN-beta was truly OPEN in LotrO so its not like Turbine tried to hide anything...

     

    LIES AND PERSONAL OPINIONS AGAIN... we've heard them for the past year Openedge and noone agrees with you...

    If WoW = The Beatles
    and WAR = Led Zeppelin
    Then LotrO = Pink Floyd

  • Psiho246Psiho246 Member Posts: 482

    WoW is definately a Mcdonald's game. I can't say the same about LotRO though.

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  • AckbarNLAckbarNL Member Posts: 458

    Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history ,

    Playing: World of Warcraft.
    Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
    Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.

  • DonnieBrascoDonnieBrasco Member Posts: 1,757
    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    I tried AoC for about a week. I really think the people at Funcom better worry about fixing their own game rather than trying to put any other games down. They are hosing up their game pretty good in my opinion. If Lotro is McDonalds, then AoC is the greasy spoon that was shut down by the health department for getting their meat at the animal shelter.

     

    I think we all need to remember...

    It is not AoC that is the crap, it is Funcom. They took a game with high ambition, high hopes, and great mechanics, and trashed it beyond belief.

    I know everyone gets on my case because I always give LOTRO a hard time, but I will say this. Turbine stuck it out, tried to make the right decisions, and have added the content now, added features like housing and fishing...

    AoC has a long way to go, and can only make it if Funcom pulls that thumb out

    Later



     

    People on here have already disproved your "lack of content" argument (myself included). People get on your case because you are an incessant naysayer who spends his time attacking a game he has little or no clue about and doesnt even play.

    I see you are trying to be a little more moderate in your approach but it doesn't take away from your previous posts, many of which are just unfounded attacks for what reason I am sure we  will never know.

    And IMHO AoC is an absolute disaster and what kind of an idiotic statement is "It is not AoC that is the crap, it is Funcom?". AoC is a half finished joke of a game with a major lack of content and unlike your claims about Lotro, these are heavily documented. I concede your point, if things were different, they wouldnt be the same. Failcom FLAT OUT lied to everyone about many game features that were not in the launch client but Im sure you know all this.

    Next you'll be trying to you'll us that Lotro's launch was similar to AoCs. In all seriousness, you've made your "point" and no one here agrees with you. You're not going to change anyone's mind and no one is going to stop playing based on your fabricated information. I really hope you come back for MoM and enjoy the game and I mean that sincerely. Otherwise I suggest you move on to something else and leave us to enjoy Middle Earth.

    S



     

    Glad to see so many people seeing through this fishy trolling, masked in "uh oh, I can voice my opinion too" garbage.

    Kudos :)

    DB

    Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.

  • AckbarNLAckbarNL Member Posts: 458

    From Jeffrey Steefel:

    Going beyond Moria, there’s far more LOTRO to be explored yet. Jeff chucked us an arbitrary figure: eight per cent. That’s the total of Tolkien’s Lord Of The Rings literary content Turbine has covered so far. Considering Book 13 and the Forochel area of Middle-earth was constructed out of several paragraphs, we’d imagine Turbine could stretch the remaining 92 per cent quite far. Jeff concurred: "I’d say we’ve used up about eight per cent... I made up that number, but there’s a long list of things we worry about all the time – one thing we never worry about is available content. We’ve just extended our licence through to 2014 with the right to extend it beyond that to 2017. I’m sure if things are going well we could go beyond that. I have no doubt we have enough content to last us until then, and even if we didn’t, then we have the opportunity to explore the outer edges of Middle-earth and the Fourth Age, all kind of things that are alluded to but not really described. Honestly, you look at the map of Middle-earth and you look at what we’ve covered and what’s left: it’s huge."



    It doesn’t take a massive stretch of the imagination to see Lord Of The Rings Online lasting another decade either. While it is a long way behind World Of Warcraft in terms of subscriber numbers, it’s proved a hugely popular MMORPG since its launch last year and the draw of seeing the licence recreated online is a strong factor in the sales. But Jeff thinks there’s far more to LOTRO’s longevity than what Tolkien has given it, "We’re the next-gen MMO, we’re highly polished, high-quality, triple-A, not broken… it sounds trite, but people ask me what I think is one of the biggest features of World Of Warcraft or Lord Of The Rings Online, and I say that it’s because we ship the games finished. Not broken. This sounds like it’s not a big deal, but it is because of the scope and scale and complexity of these games. So that sounds unimportant, but that’s the threshold you now have to pass to even be a successful game. We are telling a story in a persistent environment in a way that is compelling that people feel they can become a part of, that continues to evolve in a world that evolves and you feel part of that evolution. We have [instances] early on in the game and we have some in Moria where you go through an instance experience and things actually change: walls crumble and new parts of the dungeon open up, buildings burn down – whatever, and that becomes a persistent part of the world for you going forward."


     

    Playing: World of Warcraft.
    Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
    Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.

  • DonnieBrascoDonnieBrasco Member Posts: 1,757
    Originally posted by AckbarNL


    … it sounds trite, but people ask me what I think is one of the biggest features of World Of Warcraft or Lord Of The Rings Online, and I say that it’s because we ship the games finished. Not broken. This sounds like it’s not a big deal, but it is because of the scope and scale and complexity of these games.

     

     

    And that's a stylish kick in the balls reply to Funcom's game director.... steak and wine, my ass :)

    DB

    Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.

  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by AckbarNL


    Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history ,

     

    Actually City Of Heroes is noted as having the best launch in all of MMO history

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Heroes

    "The launch of City of Heroes was widely reported as one of the most successful MMOG launches in the history of the industry."

    While LOTRO had a few issues like monster exploits

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=32233

    AH Exploits

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=39394

    And things like the Ultra High texture memory leak

    http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179650

    But, if you are talking most successful in numbers, that goes to AoC.

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  • SharkypalSharkypal Member Posts: 1,137
    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by AckbarNL


    Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history ,

     

    Actually City Of Heroes is noted as having the best launch in all of MMO history

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Heroes

    "The launch of City of Heroes was widely reported as one of the most successful MMOG launches in the history of the industry."

    While LOTRO had a few issues like monster exploits

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=32233

    AH Exploits

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=39394

    And things like the Ultra High texture memory leak

    http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179650

    But, if you are talking most successful in numbers, that goes to AoC.



     

    I need anger management? LOL, you're the one with the hate problem mate. No one cares about your stats and your BS. False (aka BULLSH*T advertising) is the sole reason for AoCs launch "success". It has NOTHING to do with anything else.

    You need a ban, because you are here purely to annoy people and are establishing yourself as one of the biggest trolls on MMORPG. You really need to go hang out in the AoC forums, there is absolutely no need for you to be here.

    S

    Just to put things in perspective here is one of your statements that really is so untrue, it just proves what a hater and a troll you are.

    "AoC for it's 50 bucks was worth a lot more to me, as it looked better, played better game wise (even performance wise). "

    Absolutely priceless! No doubt another one of your erroneous and endless "opinions".

     

  • jarishjarish Member Posts: 526
    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by AckbarNL


    Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history ,

     

    Actually City Of Heroes is noted as having the best launch in all of MMO history

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Heroes

    "The launch of City of Heroes was widely reported as one of the most successful MMOG launches in the history of the industry."

    Pretty sure this was said at the time it was released. No one brings this game up no when asked what game had the best launch. LOTRO does very much and so does EVE

     

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  • YeeboYeebo Member UncommonPosts: 1,361

    The launch of City of Heroes was widely reported as one of the most successful MMOG launches in the history of the industry.

    That's not the same as the best.  Reading comprehension ftw.  

    I think we also could also safely say that LoTRO also had one of the most successful launches  in the history of the industry and most sane observers would agree.   However, I personally wouldn't point to any MMO and say it had the best launch.  It's too subjective a judgement to make.  

    That said, the list of smooth launches is lot smaller than the list of borked ones. 

    I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.

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  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by solareus


    Case Closed ! Funcom fails.

     

    I agree. Funcom did fail.

  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by solareus





    Here is a good article
    www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/technology-news/2008/06/19/gamehorizon-david-solari-51140-21108133/


    roughly 900k boxes actually sold to people in the U.S. and Europe.

     

    "The number of subscribers is into six figures and we’ve had 300,000 box sales in Europe - you can also double that into the States."

    So, you doubled what he said, then added it back to the 300k? Hmm, reading comprehension would have helped here.

    You can also double "THAT", in reference to the 300k

    This would equal 600k.

    Still about 100k off from AoC.

  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by Yeebo


    The launch of City of Heroes was widely reported as one of the most successful MMOG launches in the history of the industry.
    That's not the same as the best.  Reading comprehension ftw.  
    I think we also could also safely say that LoTRO also had one of the most successful launches  in the history of the industry and most sane observers would agree.   However, I personally wouldn't point to any MMO and say it had the best launch.  It's too subjective a judgement to make.  
    That said, the list of smooth launches is lot smaller than the list of borked ones. 

    Why call me out on this statement, when mine was in opposition to

    "Originally posted by AckbarNL

    Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history "

    I am confused, as AckbarNL's statement is even more of a bold face made up fantasy, with no data to back it up. I displayed data to the contrary, but my statement is less believable?

    Was it because the statement I gave was written with data to back it up? But since AckbarNL is a fanboi, his statement holds more in fact with ZERO data?

    The argument is one sided in that respect. If we base all information on release information, CoH is noted as the MMO with no game breaking bugs on release, AoC is noted as the largest number of boxes sold on release, and WoW is the longest running successful MMO for subscribers.

    Where exactly does LOTRO fit in as the BEST of anything in this list?

    How about this.

    "LOTRO is the most successful MMO based on the Tolkien IP"

    That sentence holds the most truth out of all the postings here.

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  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061


    Originally posted by openedge1
    Originally posted by AckbarNL Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history ,

    Actually City Of Heroes is noted as having the best launch in all of MMO history
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Heroes
    "The launch of City of Heroes was widely reported as one of the most successful MMOG launches in the history of the industry."
    While LOTRO had a few issues like monster exploits
    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=32233
    AH Exploits
    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=39394
    And things like the Ultra High texture memory leak
    http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179650
    But, if you are talking most successful in numbers, that goes to AoC.


    Its because of people like you i hate AOC even more. I am one of the idiots who spent 80 bucks on collector edition and got shafted with lies. I can put that behind me and move on but when i think about AOC community filled with such biased fanboys i hate it even more. People like you are doing more harm to AOC than good.

  • PapadamPapadam Member Posts: 2,102
    Originally posted by Shastra


     

    Originally posted by openedge1


    Originally posted by AckbarNL
     
    Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history ,





    Actually City Of Heroes is noted as having the best launch in all of MMO history

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Heroes

    "The launch of City of Heroes was widely reported as one of the most successful MMOG launches in the history of the industry."

    While LOTRO had a few issues like monster exploits

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=32233

    AH Exploits

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=39394

    And things like the Ultra High texture memory leak

    http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179650

    But, if you are talking most successful in numbers, that goes to AoC.

     



    Its because of people like you i hate AOC even more. I am one of the idiots who spent 80 bucks on collector edition and got shafted with lies. I can put that behind me and move on but when i think about AOC community filled with such biased fanboys i hate it even more. People like you are doing more harm to AOC than good.

    Openedge1 is not a AoC fanboy, he bashes that game too... but foremost he is a LotrO hater and that will always be his #1 priority in life which makes me very sad for him... the only praise he gives to a game is to use it as a bash against LotrO...

     

    I find it amusing to read his post and sometimes I even laugh out loud when seeing what kind of crap he can come up with... but most of all I feel sorry for you mr Openedge1... maybe you should get some profesional help for that obsession?

    If WoW = The Beatles
    and WAR = Led Zeppelin
    Then LotrO = Pink Floyd

  • AckbarNLAckbarNL Member Posts: 458
    Originally posted by openedge1


    Why call me out on this statement, when mine was in opposition to
    "Originally posted by AckbarNL

     
    Lotro had the best launch in all mmo history "
    I am confused, as AckbarNL's statement is even more of a bold face made up fantasy, with no data to back it up. I displayed data to the contrary, but my statement is less believable?
    Was it because the statement I gave was written with data to back it up? But since AckbarNL is a fanboi, his statement holds more in fact with ZERO data?
    The argument is one sided in that respect. If we base all information on release information, CoH is noted as the MMO with no game breaking bugs on release, AoC is noted as the largest number of boxes sold on release, and WoW is the longest running successful MMO for subscribers.
    Where exactly does LOTRO fit in as the BEST of anything in this list?
    How about this.
    "LOTRO is the most successful MMO based on the Tolkien IP"
    That sentence holds the most truth out of all the postings here.



     

    Lotro is the best mmo ever created, rated number one on this webpage above everything els

    and will be for the years to come...to bad you don't like it.

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    Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
    Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.

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