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ManHunt - Ban Volent Games!

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  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718

    I did a whole school essay report on Volent video games (in 2001) and that is just one of the reports i used about the kids that were influenced on doom and did the shooting and made maps to the game looking like their school and many more reports. Also Doom was the first game to be used by the millitary for training.


    My conclusion came to this, that it's not the company's falt that the parrents of these stupid kids do things like this. It's the parrent's falt for not teaching their kids better cuz there dumbasses (Excuse my language) when they do things like this. The same goes with ppl coying stunts from MTV's Jackass. Me, my dad, my mom (Ms. Pacman only), and my sister play video games and my dad told me that I can play violent games (my mom really dosen't like things that include demons n crap like that but me and my dad sneak those kinds of games in) but to learn not to do crazy stuff like killing someone or somthing like that in the game (I do build models from video games and thats ok). If I did do it I would surely get whiped and banned from videogames for maybe forever.


    Almost all video games have violence today. Marrio did, Pacman did, Crash Bandicoot did, all those simple games (except sports and racing and maybe puzzle) have violence Too (think about it). This is were parrents should come in about their children playing violent videogames. It's call RESPONSIBILITY! and if a parrent dosen't teach this their not a good parrent at all.


    I would show you the report (about 6 pages long and intertering) but im afraid that someone may copy it. ::::02::

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  • UmbroodUmbrood Member UncommonPosts: 1,809

    Kinda like curing the disease by killing the patient.

    Better to ban stupid people who cant tell right from wrong!!

    Oh and here is an even more novel idea, why not spend time with ones kids instead of putting them infront of the TV or computer and use them machines as babysitters. People fail to raise their kids and then look around with a flametorch on what to blame, my answer is put that flametorch in the moth and remove a bad influence from the genepool. I am speaking generally here, not pointing the finger at any one person mind you..

    Just my 2billion$ worths..

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  • GindaceGindace Member Posts: 161



    Originally posted by Rikimaru_X

    I did a whole school essay report on Volent video games (in 2001)



    I hope you spelled FAULT right in this report.

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  • XzaroXzaro Member UncommonPosts: 1,719

    EVERY Parent should spank their kids when they do something ultra stupid. I am 14 years old and I think that is right, that says something.

    Most of the teens that commit a crime or do something ultra stupid has parents that hasn't taught them shit, and never spanked them before. The End.

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  • bsherlockbsherlock Member Posts: 491

    There is nothing wrong with beating your kid if he/she does something wrong. Most of you are obviously thinking by beating we mean picking up by the legs and hitting off a wall. A few slaps on the ass and the kid learns. When you are young you dont have the mental capacity to link words to actions, you link your feelings. A kid runs across a road and gets a slap, he then thinks running across the road hurts, and doesnt do it. if you shout at him he will forget and keep doing it. And if you just talke to him he will realise you are the idiot liberal you are and he will run riot. either that or you will smother him and have some posh kid who nobody likes at school.

    There is no link with these games, but if you think there is then dont let your kid play them. I was watching the parents of the dead kid on tv and she was saying how they often spent hours together on manhunt, and i was thinking 'well if you didnt like them playing the game why did you let them?' these people chance their feelings after something like this in an attempt to blame something.

    At the end of the day the murderous kid was f***ed in the head, people these days dont seem to understand that there are people in the world who are stupid, impressionable and murderous. But banning a game is going to have no effect, whats he gonna do instead? watch the news? no you cant to that, theres a war in Iraq, war is killing too. So you get your kid to read a book, peter pan, oh no, hook keeps trying to kill pan, pan had hooks arm mutilated by a crocodile, cant let kids read this!

    Society is responsible for everything that happens to it, if your kids fat them feed him less and make him run about, dont blame mcdonalds for selling burgers, your the person whi gave him his $1 for the burger!

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  • Wicked_EdgeWicked_Edge Member Posts: 176


    Originally posted by Finwe
    Its a sad thing when people use games as an excuse for their demonic actions."The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis

    This guy said It all ::::28::

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  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128

    When you are young you dont have the mental capacity to link words to actions, you link your feelings.

    I beg to differ, Every kid Ive worked with who was little when you sat them down and talked to them about what they did, they would stop.

    If your little 1-2 yearold is misbehaving, you just correct the action, and they learn, beating the kid is totally unecissary.

    I was never spanked, I was strait A-B student, never killed anyboyd, never got in a fight, did lotsa community, Have glowing refrences from past employers because I was so well behaved, and worked hard.

    And not once in my LIFE was I ever spanked.
    Now I look at all this screwed up guys and kid, and they get spanked,
    Not spanking doesnt meent he kids a delliquent. Spanking is just hurting him, its not gona help him

    It boils down to this point, Which I will bold for ease or reading.
    When you spank your kid, he learns that if sombody does somthing you dont like, you hit them till they stop

    Now do you really want your kids to learn that lesson, and really people always complain how kids hit each other when there angry, there just learning it from there parents.

    Quite frankly anybody who spanks there kids gets no respect from me.

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    after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...

  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718



    Originally posted by Gindace



    Originally posted by Rikimaru_X

    I did a whole school essay report on Volent video games (in 2001)



    I hope you spelled FAULT right in this report.


    Well I didn't. Gotta be a smart ass to point that out when you already understood the word.

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  • XzaroXzaro Member UncommonPosts: 1,719


    Originally posted by Munki
    When you are young you dont have the mental capacity to link words to actions, you link your feelings.I beg to differ, Every kid Ive worked with who was little when you sat them down and talked to them about what they did, they would stop.If your little 1-2 yearold is misbehaving, you just correct the action, and they learn, beating the kid is totally unecissary.I was never spanked, I was strait A-B student, never killed anyboyd, never got in a fight, did lotsa community, Have glowing refrences from past employers because I was so well behaved, and worked hard.And not once in my LIFE was I ever spanked.
    Now I look at all this screwed up guys and kid, and they get spanked,
    Not spanking doesnt meent he kids a delliquent. Spanking is just hurting him, its not gona help himIt boils down to this point, Which I will bold for ease or reading.
    When you spank your kid, he learns that if sombody does somthing you dont like, you hit them till they stopNow do you really want your kids to learn that lesson, and really people always complain how kids hit each other when there angry, there just learning it from there parents.Quite frankly anybody who spanks there kids gets no respect from me.Edit:spelling mistake

    So you think the parents that spank their kids do it because they enjoy it? No. The parents hurt more than their kids when they do it.

    Spanking isn't just hurting him, it's letting the kid know that doing anything stupid is gonna hurt. Some kids don't understand words, they don't understand why your yelling at him, they don't understand why.
    When your kid is 1-2 years old, you yell at them, they will stop. But when your kid is 6-8 years old, you don't yell at them, they won't stop if you just yell. Some kids might stop if they are smart already, but not every kid is smart enough to understand.

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  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718



    Originally posted by Xzaro




    Originally posted by Munki
    When you are young you dont have the mental capacity to link words to actions, you link your feelings.

    I beg to differ, Every kid Ive worked with who was little when you sat them down and talked to them about what they did, they would stop.
    If your little 1-2 yearold is misbehaving, you just correct the action, and they learn, beating the kid is totally unecissary.
    I was never spanked, I was strait A-B student, never killed anyboyd, never got in a fight, did lotsa community, Have glowing refrences from past employers because I was so well behaved, and worked hard.
    And not once in my LIFE was I ever spanked.
    Now I look at all this screwed up guys and kid, and they get spanked,
    Not spanking doesnt meent he kids a delliquent. Spanking is just hurting him, its not gona help him
    It boils down to this point, Which I will bold for ease or reading.
    When you spank your kid, he learns that if sombody does somthing you dont like, you hit them till they stop
    Now do you really want your kids to learn that lesson, and really people always complain how kids hit each other when there angry, there just learning it from there parents.
    Quite frankly anybody who spanks there kids gets no respect from me.
    Edit:spelling mistake


    So you think the parents that spank their kids do it because they enjoy it? No. The parents hurt more than their kids when they do it.

    Spanking isn't just hurting him, it's letting the kid know that doing anything stupid is gonna hurt. Some kids don't understand words, they don't understand why your yelling at him, they don't understand why.
    When your kid is 1-2 years old, you yell at them, they will stop. But when your kid is 6-8 years old, you don't yell at them, they won't stop if you just yell. Some kids might stop if they are smart already, but not every kid is smart enough to understand.

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     Xzaro you are certanly right. If you don't dissipline your kids they will learn not to respect you. You can't even get the respect of you dog (espically mine a rottwiler) with out hitting (not hard but just enough) them and teaching them thats bad.

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  • FinweFinwe Member CommonPosts: 3,106

      Originally posted by Munki
      It boils down to this point, Which I will bold for ease or reading.When you spank your kid, he learns that if sombody does somthing you dont like, you hit them till they stop


    No. It boils down to this, the kid learns, you do something bad. You get punished.

    Being punished isnt being talked to, saying, "No. Thats bad. You shouldnt do it." Kid does it. Parent says the same thing. Kid thinks to himself. "Well obviously its not that bad. All they're saying is that I shouldnt do it. Everytime I do it, I just get talked to. No punishment, so obviously the world works like this, I do something bad, I just get talked to."

    The kid is going to grow up and think that everytime he does something bad he's just going to get reprimanded and talked to.

    Law & Order starts in the home. A nation would be in a state of anarchy if not for the lessons taught to children by their parents.

    50 years ago parents were about 500% as strict as parents today. 50 years ago you could keep your door open all night long and not have to worry about some punk coming in, stealing your goods, and beating up anyone in their way.

    Look at crime-rates then, and look at crime-rates now. I wonder which works better, this whole crap about never spank your child and just try to feed him some psychological BS, or try to teach him that if you do something wrong, there is a punishment waiting.

    "The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis

    "The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis

    "If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979

  • Sir-SvenSir-Sven Member Posts: 773

    It's pretty ridiculous. People want to blame games for other peoples actions. Like you said, parents of kids who do violent things like kill- blame the games their children play. Why don't they blame MTV when their child has sex with another kid? I don't see that very often, but I guess it's justified by them always ALWAYS advertising condoms. Right?::::07::

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  • ZoharZohar Member Posts: 673



    Originally posted by bsherlock

    There is nothing wrong with beating your kid if he/she does something wrong. Most of you are obviously thinking by beating we mean picking up by the legs and hitting off a wall. A few slaps on the ass and the kid learns. When you are young you dont have the mental capacity to link words to actions, you link your feelings. A kid runs across a road and gets a slap, he then thinks running across the road hurts, and doesnt do it. if you shout at him he will forget and keep doing it. And if you just talke to him he will realise you are the idiot liberal you are and he will run riot. either that or you will smother him and have some posh kid who nobody likes at school.
    There is no link with these games, but if you think there is then dont let your kid play them. I was watching the parents of the dead kid on tv and she was saying how they often spent hours together on manhunt, and i was thinking 'well if you didnt like them playing the game why did you let them?' these people chance their feelings after something like this in an attempt to blame something.
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       Actually, there is a slight negative correlation between "spanking" and a child's behavior as an adult. It's not the best way to discipline a child as it sends a generally message that voilence is a solution. Keep in mind however, that several of us have been spanked as kids and we are fine today. Spanking and other forms of physical punishments are generally less positive then other methods of childing, but usually effective in most circumstances.

       As far as violence in media, including video games, there is a small correlation in violence (in several longitudinal studies) that indicates that violent media can create an increase in childhood delinquency. I've done a paper on this and based upon the studies of several psychologists there is a large amount of evidence to support this correlation. Keep in mind that during some of the information I've done for this paper has also shown that contact sports for example, also correlated to increased violent or delinquent behavior. Does this mean that playing video games, especially violent ones, will increase your aggression or negative behavior? One study I found on video game violence was rather inconclusive. In some instances am intensely violent video game correlated in less (oddly) aggression afterward then a moderately violent video game.

       I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is a lot of evidence to show that visual displays of violence in media may effect attitudes of children and later teenagers or adults, but it's not necessarily fact. Also, the evidence is a bit sketchy in certain areas, and things such as contact sports that children were exposed to 50 years ago supposedly negative effect on children. My parents certainly were aggressive psychopaths, are you because you like football?

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  • Sir-SvenSir-Sven Member Posts: 773


    Originally posted by Finwe

    Originally posted by Munki
    It boils down to this point, Which I will bold for ease or reading.When you spank your kid, he learns that if sombody does somthing you dont like, you hit them till they stop
    No. It boils down to this, the kid learns, you do something bad. You get punished.
    Being punished isnt being talked to, saying, "No. Thats bad. You shouldnt do it." Kid does it. Parent says the same thing. Kid thinks to himself. "Well obviously its not that bad. All they're saying is that I shouldnt do it. Everytime I do it, I just get talked to. No punishment, so obviously the world works like this, I do something bad, I just get talked to."
    The kid is going to grow up and think that everytime he does something bad he's just going to get reprimanded and talked to.
    Law & Order starts in the home. A nation would be in a state of anarchy if not for the lessons taught to children by their parents.
    50 years ago parents were about 500% as strict as parents today. 50 years ago you could keep your door open all night long and not have to worry about some punk coming in, stealing your goods, and beating up anyone in their way.
    Look at crime-rates then, and look at crime-rates now. I wonder which works better, this whole crap about never spank your child and just try to feed him some psychological BS, or try to teach him that if you do something wrong, there is a punishment waiting."The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis


    I totally agree Finwe. My brother and I were watching 'Leave it to Beaver' a few days ago and we were in such awe. It was crazy. People used to be very classy, they would correct their children when it came to speech so they would learn and most of all, if they did something bad, they KNEW they were going to get punished. That's why they didn't do anything stupid.

    My dad told me that the show was a little too ideal for the real life back then, but he did say that people really obeyed their parents. They knew that there was hell waiting for them if they did something dumb. But something I also noticed, not to contradict your point, was that the children didn't express their feelings enough. And that's where you get people that never really have a true relationship with their parents. I have noticed that people today definatly express their feelings, but they are, at the same time, rude to their parents. I'm no expert, but that's what I see. My mom, someone who I highly regard, also told me of the trends she noticed over the years.

    She said that starting in the 60's, people began to break out of their shell. In the 70's and 80's, they were pretty much assholes to their parents. But in the 90's and 00's, they are changing back. Finding that nice equilibrium of respect and self expression. Maybe it hasn't finished, but I do think people are regarding their parents with more respect.

    This is only an opinion. Not fact.

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