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Mythic is Lame
Annekynn
Member Posts: 1,437
http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1633.shtml
Specifically, at the bottom:
"But wait, theres more! Over the last few weeks we announced and followed through with a very active campaign against those who use hacking and cheating tools in DAoC. Not only has this campaign been successful to date, but we are stepping it up again. Mythic will do what is necessary to protect the long-term health of the game even if it costs us some subscribers and revenue in the short-term. We have seen a significant loss of subscribers due to the bannings and cancellations by people after they have been suspended for cheating. We expect to lose up to a couple of thousand people if we continue to follow through on this policy. And follow up on this we will do, no matter the cost. I have said before that Mythic is willing to sacrifice subscriber revenue in order to have a better game for the vast majority of players (percentage of cheaters among DAoCs subscribers is very, very low) who dont need nor want to cheat in order to succeed in DAoC and we have backed that up with our actions in the recent past and will continue to do so in the future. "
First they say they have seen a SIGNIFICANT loss of subscribers due to banning for cheating.
Then they say they expect to lose a couple thousand MORE due to more banning for cheating.
But last they say cheaters in DAoC are a very very low percentage? How is "a significant loss" and "a couple thousand" cheaters considered a very low percentage? Thats a LOT of cheaters! Thats like saying out of a population of 1 million, 1% are murderers. Would you consider 10,000 murderers a very very low percentage? LOL.
Whats worse, they have waited this many years to FINALLY address the problem. And when they have addressed the problem, guess what they found, lots of cheaters! Greedy bastards all this time were more concerned about profit than fixing the game. Lets all hug mythic and come on back to DAoC! Not.
Flame on.
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Played: AC1, DAoC, E&B, SWG
Tested: AC1, AC2, DAoC, Eve, Planetside, Rubies, Lineage 2, MU Online
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GO Mythic!
Get rid of the scum before they take over.
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"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
Thomas Jefferson
Mythic has been active changing, fixing, and adding to DAoC over the past 3 years. I wouldn't say they are the best, but I think they're pretty honest and are not just out for the money. Of course they want the game to succeed and make money from the subscribers, in this respect they are no different than any other company running a mmorpg. The difference I have seen is their committment to improving the game.
I don't think Mythic deserves harsh criticism for the latest statement about subscriptions and cheaters. Every game has cheaters, but I haven't seen ANY do something about them. Maybe their numbers are off, I don't know. Anyway, Mythic is not lame. Their game is a success.
Well, I for one love the game. and I will come back if these things happen:
Buffbots are dealt with (ranged buffs)
Cheating is completely stopped (which they are working on)
A new server is opened (so that existing cheaters arent a problem)
Then i will reopen my account.
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Way to go Mythic.
Better late then never.
"Greedy bastards all this time were more concerned about profit than fixing the game"
That's how they have been with all of their games, though. Yes, banning cheaters is a good thing - banning cheaters and fixing all of the broken classes, however, would be even better!
Side note: Remember when Mythic said that there would only be ONE expansion for DAoC, then they would be releasing a different MMORPG? Heh.
I can't wait until EQ2 and WoW come out. ::sigh::
Ofcourse banning cheaters is a good thing, but why wait YEARS to do it? Its plain stupid. I and many folks I know quit DAoC for just that reason, the cheating was getting out of hand and mythic couldnt have cared less. All of a sudden they care? Could it be the fear of a mass exodus to WoW, EQ, DnL etc has finally convinced them to clean up the cesspool of cheaters that plagued the game? Id wager on that.
Cheating became rampant just a few months after the game went retail. If mythic wasnt lame, they would have cracked down on the cheaters almost immediately. Why allow a minority to screw with the game? Ofcourse money is more important than having a good game, so they did nothing about it. Years later they are making annoucements stating what a great company they are for doing the noble thing and whats best for the game at the cost of some profits. BS. Penn and Teller otta do an episode about this kind of crap.
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Played: AC1, DAoC, E&B, SWG
Tested: AC1, AC2, DAoC, Eve, Planetside, Rubies, Lineage 2, MU Online
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most of you dont know what your talking about. Mythic is one of the best companies to hit the mmo market. All they do is listen to the people on what they want, hense the new frontiers. So please... All most of you are saying crap on one statement. you all should be ashamed of yourselfs for bashing this game.
Go bash on L2 where there are all griefers and bots. Worst costumer service, ext.
Quotes:
"After all, even with the heaviest and most exhaustive testing on Pendragon to date, there is nothing like a quarter of a million subscribers actually playing the game LIVE worldwide to find its flaws." (250000 subscribers approx.)
"We have seen a significant loss of subscribers due to the bannings and cancellations by people after they have been suspended for cheating. We expect to lose up to a couple of thousand people if we continue to follow through on this policy." ("up to" hints as a running total, not a couple thousand MORE, so 2000-3000 cheaters approx.)
2000 / 250000 = 0.008 | 0.8%
3000 / 250000 = 0.012 | 1.2%
What they meant (I think) is that 2000-3000 (possibly more) cheaters is a LOT of cheaters, but in the sense of compared to current subscriptions (0.8%-1.2% of the subscriptions) it's noticeable but it's an acceptable sacrifice to keep DAoC cheater-free.
-Et
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"I hope you're dyslexic and not just lazy."
"most of you dont know what your talking about."
Some of us knew Mythic back when they were AUSI - we know exactly what we are talking about.
"Mythic is one of the best companies to hit the mmo market."
That wouldn't be saying much even if it was true. Many of the companies completely ignore the players and just do whatever they want - usually in search of cash. The common practice now is: release a buggy game, promise everyone everything, nerf a few classes, then release an expansion without fixing most of the bugs.
"All they do is listen to the people on what they want"
If they did that, stealth would be fixed by now. The classes and realms would also be balanced, and the Class TL reports wouldn't be so negative.
They have like 260.000 subscribers, IIRC.
A few thousand are a very small percentage of that, yet they are still "a significant loss", since it's money-loss
K.Rool,
Master of unnecessary knowledge...
Blame your fate!
"torgin you carebear."
I'm not impressed - your avatar would get b*tch-slapped by a carebear, so I have nothing to fear.
"class balancing is the worst thing ever cause what it means is no one wants to learn to play there char like they should."
No, that is what NERFING means. Class balancing means that each class has bonuses and penalties which bring it to sum 0 when compared to other classes. DAoC has NEVER had balance within its classes, and instead of implementing promised features or new abilities that would even things out, they did massive nerfs and remove features.
Example: Years after release, hiding and stealth are STILL broken in DAoC. Result: classes primarily based on stealth and hiding are much weaker than all other classes (making them less useful).
"class balancing is the worst thing ever all because ppl hate a challenge."
??? I thought people played these games FOR a challenge.
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Uh, Shai-Halud, he isn't saying that stealth needs to be nerfed but actually the opposite. Torgan says that classes based on stealth are too weak. Although, I played DAoC in beta and for quite a bit in live and from what I saw, I will have to disagree with him. I used to have a few archer types from other realms on my payback list because they would kill people, run and hide to come back later and do some more mayhem. I had a buddy shadowblade who was nasty in the frontier lands. He would backstab someone and kill them in one shot. Before others saw him he would be gone in the trees. I don't see how they are weak. Sure they can't go toe to toe with a warrior type but then they aren't made for that. When we have a good group of different types of people, our strategy was to have the stealther running around invisible while we fought other groups. When he got behind the enemies he was the one who took out the casters and healers before they could do anything. Our stealthers did just fine.
"What they meant (I think) is that 2000-3000 (possibly more) cheaters is a LOT of cheaters, but in the sense of compared to current subscriptions (0.8%-1.2% of the subscriptions) it's noticeable but it's an acceptable sacrifice to keep DAoC cheater-free."
Exactly my point. So why not do it 6 months after retail? Why wait years to finally do it? They already had 200k+ subscribers then, and I doubt there were that many cheaters right away. So why not make DAoC cheat free from the get go? Why not deal with the exploits/cheats as they came along? The answer is simple.
They do not care about you and me, nor about making the game cheat free
All they are doing now is simple politics. Make the game seem as good as it possibly can be to retain as many players as possible. So all of a sudden they are saying they are this angel company thats willing to lose some profits to make DAoC an enjoyable cheat free experience. BS.
PS: Lineage 2 devs are even worse. Huge part of the community doesnt want the asians messing with the game and complain constantly about it, yet absolutely nothing is being done. Yay for idiotic companies!
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Played: AC1, DAoC, E&B, SWG
Tested: AC1, AC2, DAoC, Eve, Planetside, Rubies, Lineage 2, MU Online
Daoc when i first started playing was a cool fun game with a great community. You could still see level 40's in emain, but when i left i could only see cleric bot's lined up outside the PK.
They chose to go the same route as EQ and concentrate on the high level content of the game with realm points, TOA loot, buffbots, spellcrafting, alchemy...it all became too much for the casual player.
Nothing is more offputting to new players to see people walking around in uber armour being ignored, while they cannot find a group.
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Lol, They have not been baning people just banning that accout so they could just very well do it again.,
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Roir was not here there or over there he is behind you!?
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Last I played, every week was a new update. they fixed blademaster, and nerfed rangers a long time ago. They tried to give valewalkers and animist somthing to work with in bg (from what i read). so i dont think you know what your talking about when you say they don't class balance. there is more balancing but since i am (was, going to be again when catacombs comes out) a hibernian I didnt pay attention to other classes. they even gave out 2 free expansions. player housing and newfroniers. this all takes time to do and they are doing very very good IMO.
"so i dont think you know what your talking about when you say they don't class balance."
Go read the TL reports.
sorry if i seem a little defensive. but this is my all time favorite mmorpg. you understand don't you?
Oh yeah, since I am not one to ever care about character balancing, I dont know much about them.
Ignore cheaters and moaners complain.
Ban the cheaters and the moaners complain.
Play any game and the moaners will complain.
Amazing how some folk think they can run companies so much better than SOE or Mythic etc. Once these folk leave puberty then they realise there are more important things in life and life isnt always black and white.
I played for the first year of this game and really liked it until level 40. Maybe they fixed that.
However, there was no cheating in that time, in fact the client wouldn't even play in windowed mode and if you hit the windows key while playing it would auto quit the client.
I knew they would have cheat problems as soon as they allowed windowed mode.
So now what are they doing? Cracking down?
C'Mon Mythic- isn't it a waste of resources to hunt down cheaters when the client should have remained "cheat proof".
I would have chosen to make the client more secure through small patches designed for securrity rather than wait and have a big "crackdown".
Needless to say- I skipped the 14 day free return thing.
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Well here is my view
1)Mythic are trying to look and fell big.Yes this is true but imagine what they have achieved in just 3 years.There were a small time company that made a game that became incredibly popular.They never expected to be this big .
If you were in beta,you would have known this from speaking to the developers/GM.But they have and more importantly they stayed independent of the big companies.They have a reason to be proud.
2)They stuck to their guns.This is one reason i think they have passion.Unlike most other mmorg they amde 50 the maximum level and in 3 years have not raised the cap.Games like EQ have kept people in an everlevel situation but DAoC has not.
3)They have always tried to stop cheating and ebay.No company in mmorpg history has fought against ebaying as much as they did.Even to the point of tracing a workhouse in mexico.They try to keep the game clean.
From personal experience i can tell you a player got banned because he used a second account to spy on albion while his main account was hiberian.He bragged about it and mythic traced the CC to same person and banned BOTH his accounts.
Numerous other exploiters have been banned in the past too.More then most games.In short,I have not seen such dedication to keeping the game clean since pre SoE EQ.
4)They stuck to their guns.I mean if this was SoE the archer nerf would never have happened.Simply put so many people were playing the uber archers the game was no fun for any that did not.The whining level when archers got nerfed was really high.But mythic knew that if they did not do this the game variety will die.And they did and the game improved !!
Look at SWG,SoE listened to whining and now its a jedi wannabe land.No variety no nothing to do but grind jedi and stare at the skies.
Mythic is not an angel but compared to most other companies they done a great job .
I myself have played several online games most of which have several glitches in them. Out of all of these games DAoC is one of the only few that have addressed the issue and has been working adamantly to keep the glitchers from taking over the game. It helps the honest gamers like myself and my friends to enjoy the game the way that it was meant to be enjoyed.
Way to go MYTHIC