Let's say Darkfall does not launch this year and has no Beta

Antikythera

How much do you think this would hurt the cause?

Would this be the final nail in the coffin for most?

Will the following crumble or still trudge on?

jj85624

Honestly, i dont think its going to hurt anything but creating more trolls.

 

Rob_dc84

dark fall will never launch its fake remember.

daarco

The worst part is that wouldent hurt anything. For a MMO as AoC it would have been the final nail.....but DF have become immune over the years.

Both the devs and the players know there is nothing better around. But lets say closed beta begin this year, then not even the trolls would care about a late release date.

Ozmodan

The problem with this game, the developers think they can deliver on all the goodies on the website when in reality, with the small team they have, they just can't.  They have to go through the feature list and yank about half of it out.   Until they come to that realization, you won't see a game from them.

A beta this year is highly improbably, 2009 is far more likely, that is of course, they pare the feature list to something doable.

Friction2u

 

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Originally posted by daarco



Both the devs and the players know there is nothing better around. But lets say closed beta begin this year, then not even the trolls would care about a late release date.

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The professional trolls would. Darkfall will always have them.

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We really didn't think we'd ever need to explain the obvious, but sadly a few of you have been asking:

There's a pet troll/stalker we've had with us for about 3 years, the ex webmaster of a now apparently defunct MMO project, who's been sending private messages through our boards, and posting for whoever will listen, claiming that Darkfall is/was up for sale among other things. This of course, along with everything else he's been saying over the years has nothing to do with reality.

This guy has been sending us hundreds of email messages for about 3 years from his home computer, apparently unaware that hotmail reports the originating IP. The content of the emails ranges from hate mail, to spam about his game, to threats, to childish attempts at impersonating publishers, investors etc. He's also been diligently, trying to slander Darkfall on game boards, again from his home PC and using a lot of aliases.

While this has been amusing, in a village idiot kind of way, it's about time we clarified for those who are susceptible to buying into this pathology. This kind of thing has happened before, and it's extremely sad to see the ugly face of what some people think are competitive practices.

Up until now, the Darkfall official board moderation policies have been focused on allowing everyone to freely express their opinions about the game. This is in sharp contrast to most other MMO communities which are very strongly moderated. This freedom however has been taken for granted and taken advantage of by a few people. I'm afraid that we'll consider suggesting stronger moderation of the boards if this trend continues.

 

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http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=30909

 

daarco

Yeah, i forgot about the "The professional trolls". But that person dont sound to sane. He/she must have several other problems.  

 

Antikythera

Originally posted by Ozmodan


The problem with this game, the developers think they can deliver on all the goodies on the website when in reality, with the small team they have, they just can't.  They have to go through the feature list and yank about half of it out.   Until they come to that realization, you won't see a game from them.
A beta this year is highly improbably, 2009 is far more likely, that is of course, they pare the feature list to something doable.

 

Then why announce a release date for this year? What was the point?

Either - They really thought / think they can launch this year which by now even the most die hard fanboi should be questioning as almost being impossible considering its July and theres still no mention of a Beta date..

Or - They announced it fully knowing that they would not be able to under the pressure of the yelping fanbois wanting a release date

Isane

Originally posted by Antikythera

Originally posted by Ozmodan


The problem with this game, the developers think they can deliver on all the goodies on the website when in reality, with the small team they have, they just can't.  They have to go through the feature list and yank about half of it out.   Until they come to that realization, you won't see a game from them.
A beta this year is highly improbably, 2009 is far more likely, that is of course, they pare the feature list to something doable.

 

Then why announce a release date for this year? What was the point?

Either - They really thought / think they can launch this year which by now even the most die hard fanboi should be questioning as almost being impossible considering its July and theres still no mention of a Beta date..

Or - They announced it fully knowing that they would not be able to under the pressure of the yelping fanbois wanting a release date

They are under zero pressure. They follow their own lead you must understand that by now.

So I guess if they said open beta starts tommorow you would be like .... oh they haven't given me enough notice...? These things can be turned arround fast they have stated that the opne beta will be very limited time wise. Anything is possible jut have faith.

mike470

Originally posted by Isane


They are under zero pressure. They follow their own lead you must understand that by now.
Not anymore.  Now they have a publisher's lead to follow, they should be on a schedule by now.
So I guess if they said open beta starts tommorow you would be like .... oh they haven't given me enough notice...? These things can be turned arround fast they have stated that the opne beta will be very limited time wise. Anything is possible jut have faith.
You can be faith, I will be skeptic.  They make all of these claims of what will be in Darkfall, but they are yet to prove any of them with only six months from release.

 

Stellos

Lol what are you talking about?  It's NOT going to launch this year!  The year is half way over and there is no date even set for beta, don't count on a 2008 launch.  If you want to think reasonably then let's discuss a 2009 release.  I don't think that delaying will necessarily hurt DFO as long as they bring the heat at launch.  I think they have a unique game for times like these in MMOs and regardless of the year they release it will draw a great deal of attention.  But for a 2008 release you can't just toss that idea out the window.

Apraxis

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Isane


They are under zero pressure. They follow their own lead you must understand that by now.
Not anymore.  Now they have a publisher's lead to follow, they should be on a schedule by now.
Sorry. No they have not. AudioVisual Enterprises  is not a publisher, it is a distributor without any saying at all. They just produce the boxes and bring them to the shelves... simple put.
Or with other words.. everything can happen.. it could release this year or next or in three years. Just look at TCoS.. they have a publisher and they push back their release date since years... and Aventurine is in full controll over DF.. they could push back it as long as they think or want.. or until they run out of money.
So I guess if they said open beta starts tommorow you would be like .... oh they haven't given me enough notice...? These things can be turned arround fast they have stated that the opne beta will be very limited time wise. Anything is possible jut have faith.
You can be faith, I will be skeptic.  They make all of these claims of what will be in Darkfall, but they are yet to prove any of them with only six months from release.

 

 And about the OP. In the case of Darkfall everything before release is null and void, even if the wait 5 years more.. if the game is what they promise and any good and no other games with similar features released before them, then they will have their following and their loyal community.. and if not.. well, then not.

Look.. all scepticals and mmorpg jumpers have left DF long ago.. so noone can left it anymore.. the only one are those who wait for the next gen "ultima online" and well... those have immortal patience.. or are just used to get dissapointed. They have waited since 10 years, have seen UO2, UOX, and what not gone, and they have seen one EQ clone after the other released and no, not one game like UO in this time. If you ask me they could maybe wait until they die, before they really give up.

Sornin

 I agree with a previous poster who mentioned some sort of immunity.

At this point, Darkfall is famous for being vapourware. Releasing the game now would somehow detract from its fame. 

At any rate, when a game has the characteristics of vapourware for, oh, a good 4+ years, it can never die from anything other than the developers truly stopping development. It is already past the point that most people care, and ones left caring will continue to care until Aventurine pulls the plug or releases something.

Curl

DF has magic normal vaporware can't touch! If it releases (ever) with all the features it promises and graphics which aren't 10 years old it will succeed in its niche. The problem is the real game designers can't manage to release with a full set of features so chances are DF will be more like Dark and Light and just suck.

Antikythera

Originally posted by Apraxis


 And about the OP. In the case of Darkfall everything before release is null and void, even if the wait 5 years more.. if the game is what they promise and any good and no other games with similar features released before them,

 

pretty tall order eh?  lol

consideruing theres already two games coming along with the same style..   Mortal Online , Earthrise... 

winter

Originally posted by Antikythera


How much do you think this would hurt the cause?
Would this be the final nail in the coffin for most?
Will the following crumble or still trudge on?

 

  The Developers have said it WILL launch this year.

  Most of the fans here say they believe and have faith it WILL launch this year.

  People who believe in things on faith will continue to believe in DF as long as their faith lasts/holds out. They don't need facts, they don't need reason, and they don't need logic, thus even if  DF doesn't launch this year The cult of DF with carry on. Its not the first time DF has missed a launch date or not gotten to that ever promised "Beta will start very soon" after all.

  Yes a missed launch this year would give the naysayers more ammo, but its not like the fans will listen they'll just call us trolls and say "It'll be out next time for sure!" or make some excuse like Aventurine just polishing it more to make it even more perfect etc etc.

  So no to put it simply it would not matter at all the fan vs troll war would continue people believe what they want. Personally I hope DF does come out this year to put this whole thing to rest as its gotten fairly old over the years

Apraxis

Originally posted by Antikythera

Originally posted by Apraxis


 And about the OP. In the case of Darkfall everything before release is null and void, even if the wait 5 years more.. if the game is what they promise and any good and no other games with similar features released before them,

 

pretty tall order eh?  lol

consideruing theres already two games coming along with the same style..   Mortal Online , Earthrise... 

 

As i said.. as long as any other game with similar features release.. and in all honestly i dont see those two above release anytime soon, too. But i follow both, MO a lil bit more, because Earthrise is a lil bit different, but in all honestly.. both may have, and most probably will have the same problems as Darkfall.. god forbid i really dont hope they need another 6 years of development or get canceled during this period, but both will need a few more years and the outcome is as unclear as it is with Darkfall. The curse of independent dev studios..

TdogSkal

Originally posted by Antikythera

Originally posted by Apraxis


 And about the OP. In the case of Darkfall everything before release is null and void, even if the wait 5 years more.. if the game is what they promise and any good and no other games with similar features released before them,

 

pretty tall order eh?  lol

consideruing theres already two games coming along with the same style..   Mortal Online , Earthrise... 

 

Mortal Online is the only really threat.  Earthrise is a Sci Fi MMO and Darkfall and Mortal online are Fantasy themed.

Mortal Online has alot of Development to do still, good 2 years at least.   So Darkfall gets released before that, Darkfall will be successful as long as the feature list is complete and the game is as fun as it seems to be.

chr1sm

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Antikythera

Originally posted by Apraxis


 And about the OP. In the case of Darkfall everything before release is null and void, even if the wait 5 years more.. if the game is what they promise and any good and no other games with similar features released before them,

 

pretty tall order eh?  lol

consideruing theres already two games coming along with the same style..   Mortal Online , Earthrise... 

 

Mortal Online is the only really threat.  Earthrise is a Sci Fi MMO and Darkfall and Mortal online are Fantasy themed.

Mortal Online has alot of Development to do still, good 2 years at least.   So Darkfall gets released before that, Darkfall will be successful as long as the feature list is complete and the game is as fun as it seems to be.

 

Why does everyone forget about Renaissance?  Rensaissance is actually the biggest threat to Darkfall, although it is not that far along in development it certainly has more revolutionizing features than Mortal Online, and has many planned features that rival Darkfall's like in-game VoIP.  In Renaissance, elves have higher hearing capabilities than other races so if your an elf, you can actually hear people talking in-game from further distances than other races can.  As you walk closer and further from people their voices get louder/sound more distant.  Ren also has man-made transportation and players can alter the environment like create caves, as well as having just about every other feature that Darkfall has described.