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urbanmonkey
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Ok, so it's been more than a month since release and I am still playing the game for now. Not a fanboi.
The game world is small and more instanced than the Yahoo! Games Chess. Level 50+ content is lacking, itemization is a joke (can't stress this enough), PVP is meaningless, skill don't usually work and there are tons of bugs. But apparently Funcom is working on it.
When someone says AoC rules they always say something like this: "I love AoC. It has great graphics, great animations, a great combat system and... amazing visuals."
Tell you what, the graphics are really good with a high-end system. No argument there.The combat system? Not so great really. Not at all. Here is a basic review of AoC combo system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iimy7zD0b0&feature=related
BORING.
The good news is that only the melee classes have to endure that. As a result I play a Necro and it plays exactly like every other MMORPG game out there but with pretty graphics.
IMHO.
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The Necromancer is the exception to the "Great animation". The running animation for their minions is utterly pathetic.
uhhhhh ok, but I have to disagree with you on the lvl 50+ content. I have 2 chars lvl 50+ and I can find plenty of things to do, quests are all over the place, crafting is fun, for those who enjoy it. I personally enjoy grinding certain mobs for the loot drops.I have no problem with using the skills. I can't find any truth behind any of your claims... srrry ......
I know I say it alot but its the truth." What games don't have bugs?" Every game I have ever played, has patches to install either each week or each month. so obviously they have bugs.
i wonder if someone will whine about the music next
Yeah they prob will. funcom lied and promised them rap music and all they got was rock n roll.
Yeah they prob will. funcom lied and promised them rap music and all they got was rock n roll.
Woody my man,
I am reading some of your posts... If I was an AoC fanboi I would definitely have a poster of you in my room above my bed. A living legend.
Really, you should work for Funcom.
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Never argue with idiots. They are immune to logic.
i think you are an actual monkey. a urban monkey....
Indeed I am. But even as a monkey I can see that:
1. No, not all MMORPG games have bugs therefore making AoC somehow acceptable.
2. Wanting to play a working game with working skills, traits and balanced classes is NOT whining.
3. Just because the man who's job is on the line if AoC fails calls his game a steak, it doesn't mean it is.
Funcom wanted to create a next-gen game, they failed, they needed more time, they took more time, they ran out of money so they overhyped and released this piece of crap before going bankrupt. It's a scam.
Enjoy your game.
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Never argue with idiots. They are immune to logic.
Yeah they prob will. funcom lied and promised them rap music and all they got was rock n roll.
Woody my man,
I am reading some of your posts... If I was an AoC fanboi I would definitely have a poster of you in my room above my bed. A living legend.
Really, you should work for Funcom.
Really thats funny you say that, because I already have a poster of you, but its not above my bed (don't swing that way) but its above my computer. someone is trolling down the street sipping on gin and juice.
i think you are an actual monkey. a urban monkey....
Indeed I am. But even as a monkey I can see that:
1. No, not all MMORPG games have bugs therefore making AoC somehow acceptable.
2. Wanting to play a working game with working skills, traits and balanced classes is NOT whining.
3. Just because the man who's job is on the line if AoC fails calls his game a steak, it doesn't mean it is.
Funcom wanted to create a next-gen game, they failed, they needed more time, they took more time, they ran out of money so they overhyped and released this piece of crap before going bankrupt. It's a scam.
Enjoy your game.
srry I have to disagree with you again.
1. Yes all MMO's have bugs, name one that doesn't, and you can explain the need for patches.
2. The game has working skills, and the classes are very well balanced unlike the classes in WOW.
3. The game must be doing very well seeing how it has sold so many copies. All the players I see online when I play must be bots.
They are making enough money off sales and subs to quickly cover what money they put into and if some of us (you know who you are) were patient and relaxed, maybe had a few beers, and didn't spend so much of our time nit picking about small things, we would see that they are fixing things and it will take time.
Im no FANBOIS by the way, if the game sux to you, thats your opinion, but if people are going to be negative about a game, then they should have their facts in order.
i think you are an actual monkey. a urban monkey....
Indeed I am. But even as a monkey I can see that:
1. No, not all MMORPG games have bugs therefore making AoC somehow acceptable.
2. Wanting to play a working game with working skills, traits and balanced classes is NOT whining.
3. Just because the man who's job is on the line if AoC fails calls his game a steak, it doesn't mean it is.
Funcom wanted to create a next-gen game, they failed, they needed more time, they took more time, they ran out of money so they overhyped and released this piece of crap before going bankrupt. It's a scam.
Enjoy your game.
have you ever even played a mmo before at launch beside aoc? a mmorpg that doesent have bugs never heard of that before please tell me witch ones
i think you are an actual monkey. a urban monkey....
Indeed I am. But even as a monkey I can see that:
1. No, not all MMORPG games have bugs therefore making AoC somehow acceptable.
2. Wanting to play a working game with working skills, traits and balanced classes is NOT whining.
3. Just because the man who's job is on the line if AoC fails calls his game a steak, it doesn't mean it is.
Funcom wanted to create a next-gen game, they failed, they needed more time, they took more time, they ran out of money so they overhyped and released this piece of crap before going bankrupt. It's a scam.
Enjoy your game.
srry I have to disagree with you again.
1. Yes all MMO's have bugs, name one that doesn't, and you can explain the need for patches.
2. The game has working skills, and the classes are very well balanced unlike the classes in WOW.
3. The game must be doing very well seeing how it has sold so many copies. All the players I see online when I play must be bots.
They are making enough money off sales and subs to quickly cover what money they put into and if some of us (you know who you are) were patient and relaxed, maybe had a few beers, and didn't spend so much of our time nit picking about small things, we would see that they are fixing things and it will take time.
Im no FANBOIS by the way, if the game sux to you, thats your opinion, but if people are going to be negative about a game, then they should have their facts in order.
How can they be "negative" with their "facts in order" when you come in and debate EVERY fact? Are you suggesting that there are actually no negative facts that are in order, and that AoC is perfect? Oh and you're not a "FANBOIS"...
Interesting!
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Actually, AoC subscription numbers are declining already. Many guilds on my server are reporting members leaving or no longer logging in.
Guild forums and official forums are regularly flooded with posts about dissatisfaction in the game and the latest problem as the reuslt of an apparent "fix" in game.
I would say at its best AoC was a moderate success out of the gate, but due to many tech and design problems that are definitely valid, the game is already struggling to retain its next month's subscriptions.
AoC was release missing alot of promised content and with many tech glitches and unfortunately Funcom did not have fixes ready fast enough and are trying to scramble to do as much as they can as soon as possible. But their small patches are not only causing more balance and performance issues, but they are not addressing the most important game complaints either.
Even as it is right now, the game is still quite fun. Is it $15+ a month fun? That is the question and is really the opinion of whoever you ask. For me it is, but only until WAR comes out. My guild does not seem too excited about WAR either and it is looking like the majority of us will pull up stakes soon possibly and go back to WoW.
For now we are still in AoC, but many of our members are leaving or taking time away. I get the impression overall that this game is missing that addictive "hook" for most players and it won't take much to pull the majority of them away to something different.
It is possible for Funcom to make this game much better, but I am sort of doubtful they will or can do it quickly enough to save alot of their initial subscribers. Just too many frustrating problems and a valid lack of interesting content are leaving players bored. The most exciting element advertised by Funcom that really got many of the early subscribers interested was the PvP reward system. As of today, there is no reason to PvP other than just the fun of killing another player. I think that was the biggest of the many missing features that really upset its player base.
i think you are an actual monkey. a urban monkey....
Indeed I am. But even as a monkey I can see that:
1. No, not all MMORPG games have bugs therefore making AoC somehow acceptable.
2. Wanting to play a working game with working skills, traits and balanced classes is NOT whining.
3. Just because the man who's job is on the line if AoC fails calls his game a steak, it doesn't mean it is.
Funcom wanted to create a next-gen game, they failed, they needed more time, they took more time, they ran out of money so they overhyped and released this piece of crap before going bankrupt. It's a scam.
Enjoy your game.
srry I have to disagree with you again.
1. Yes all MMO's have bugs, name one that doesn't, and you can explain the need for patches.
2. The game has working skills, and the classes are very well balanced unlike the classes in WOW.
3. The game must be doing very well seeing how it has sold so many copies. All the players I see online when I play must be bots.
They are making enough money off sales and subs to quickly cover what money they put into and if some of us (you know who you are) were patient and relaxed, maybe had a few beers, and didn't spend so much of our time nit picking about small things, we would see that they are fixing things and it will take time.
Im no FANBOIS by the way, if the game sux to you, thats your opinion, but if people are going to be negative about a game, then they should have their facts in order.
How can they be "negative" with their "facts in order" when you come in and debate EVERY fact? Are you suggesting that there are actually no negative facts that are in order, and that AoC is perfect? Oh and you're not a "FANBOIS"...
Interesting!
I know that its obvious you havent read my posts, nowhere will you see I ever said aoc is perfect. I always say "yes it has bugs, what game doesnt" thats why they have patches, because no game is perfect. By getting facts inorder, I am talking about alot of the complaints are either minor or I don't see them when I play, I don't see others in the game talking about. most of the talk in game is over video cards and not 1/2 the negative things that are said on these forums, so how can I support or agree if I simply don't see it happening. lions and tigers and TROLLS oh my!!!!!!
i think you are an actual monkey. a urban monkey....
Indeed I am. But even as a monkey I can see that:
1. No, not all MMORPG games have bugs therefore making AoC somehow acceptable.
2. Wanting to play a working game with working skills, traits and balanced classes is NOT whining.
3. Just because the man who's job is on the line if AoC fails calls his game a steak, it doesn't mean it is.
Funcom wanted to create a next-gen game, they failed, they needed more time, they took more time, they ran out of money so they overhyped and released this piece of crap before going bankrupt. It's a scam.
Enjoy your game.
srry I have to disagree with you again.
1. Yes all MMO's have bugs, name one that doesn't, and you can explain the need for patches.
2. The game has working skills, and the classes are very well balanced unlike the classes in WOW.
3. The game must be doing very well seeing how it has sold so many copies. All the players I see online when I play must be bots.
They are making enough money off sales and subs to quickly cover what money they put into and if some of us (you know who you are) were patient and relaxed, maybe had a few beers, and didn't spend so much of our time nit picking about small things, we would see that they are fixing things and it will take time.
Im no FANBOIS by the way, if the game sux to you, thats your opinion, but if people are going to be negative about a game, then they should have their facts in order.
How can they be "negative" with their "facts in order" when you come in and debate EVERY fact? Are you suggesting that there are actually no negative facts that are in order, and that AoC is perfect? Oh and you're not a "FANBOIS"...
Interesting!
I know that its obvious you havent read my posts, nowhere will you see I ever said aoc is perfect. I always say "yes it has bugs, what game doesnt" thats why they have patches, because no game is perfect. By getting facts inorder, I am talking about alot of the complaints are either minor or I don't see them when I play, I don't see others in the game talking about. most of the talk in game is over video cards and not 1/2 the negative things that are said on these forums, so how can I support or agree if I simply don't see it happening. lions and tigers and TROLLS oh my!!!!!!
Well if what you fanbois are saying is true, that is AoC selling so well and there are 700k accounts and rising and its all working and shiny, then you cant possible say "i havent seen people complainting about it", you see what 1k - 2k (being optimistic) of the AoC huge player base, you cant base the problems of 700k on your interaction with 1% of the population can you?
I've seen the fanboi defense of "all MMO's have bugs" about a million times now. What does that have to do with the bugs AoC currently has? Especially since FC seems to break as much as they fix with every patch. So far, FC's communication, and customer support, has been pretty bad.
The character balance in AoC is nothing short of terrible. Period. As an example, the Assassins and Dark Templars have been horribly implemented. The imbalance between the classes is the reason for the weekly nerfs/buffs that come along with every patch - or have you not been paying attention to that?
Itemization in the game is really off. The economic system is broken. Crafting is unispired, with many of the quests dependant on getting rare drops (instead of player skill, luck is involved here to a ridiculous degree). The quests in the game are the same type you see in every other game. Many of the character feats and skills, and until recently the stats, just don't work yet.
The game has sold a lot of copies. Most new, well publicized MMOs do. The test will be how many subscriptions they keep.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
On the topic of the AoC combat system, i think a poster on the AoC EU forum said it best a while ago, I can't remember his name but his point was extremly valid namely: This system was made out to be a incredibly inventive combo (take note of that word) system. Well i'm sorry but these so called combo moves are nothing more then password protected skills.
If you take a look at a reall combo system in a beat 'em up game like mortal combat (i know old school but bear with me) the advantages of a combo system opposed to this AoC password system is easy to see. If your attacking with a high combo and your halfway there, and the guy is blocking high now... YOU CAN SWITCH!!! Because you start the combo by doing the moves... you press Y Y for the Y Y Y Y combo... and because he blocks high... YOU CAN SWITCH to lets say Y Y X X finishing him off because you adapted mid combo and hit him where he didnt expect it. Thats a combo system.
What is used in AoC atm has nothing to do with combo's at all, since you already pressed... i dunno Mellee combo 2 (for sake of i cba to remember a combo name) you HAVE to press 1 3 e 3 q to perform it and it will always land on the left side. Instead of making it so that when you press the combo of buttons 1 3 e 3 q you perform mellee combo 2 you have to input your choice of combo before even starting it. Resulting in a feeling of you pressing 5 to initiate your awesome combo and basicly hearing: "Please enter the 5 digit passcode for this combo please".
And the casters being better of is not that good either because the revolutionary caster combat that was basicly announced as:
Combine spells etc> Omg i can press like fireball and corrupted skin and get a fireball that also does a shadowdot IMBA
Is implemented as:
Wow.... spellweaving lets me die fast so i can res on the other side of the zone to get there faster NICE!
Anyhow thats now even the part why i'm not playing this game cause these things can be improved with time and money. The main reason why i quit and i assume alot of other pvp's too is... THE WHOLE GAME IS INSTANCED!!! I'm sorry but how could anyone in their right mind think... a PvP centered game would ever work if the whole world is instanced? I mean really????
What ever bad things you can say about AoC combat system, it is still far far better than Auto-attack found in every other MMO.
The OP refers to the combo system as boring, omg, is this your first mmo?
For the view point of a beat-em up it is boring, however from the view point of a MMO is is far far from boring.
I made a post on the superior Melee combat in AoC, here
mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187619
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/191/view/forums/post/2108481#2108481
The whole aoc is crap..minus the boobs and graphics...
The combat system is crap...to make a combo i need to press up to 5 buttons in a certain sequence??
If i do it to slow combo fails, if i do it too fast combo fails....omfg..i want to fight not worrye about key pressing to make 1 combo...
I want to press 1 button to make a cambo, press another and make other combo...combos should have a cooldown so you cant spam them..thats how it should be..it works in all mmos...why make up a new system that just makes it more button mashing then before? mashing 5 buttons for 1 combo?? man thats crap...
And the worst thing is that after 5 seconds to press the 5 keys the enemy is long gone..and combo hits nothing, enemy is jumping all over the place..how are you gonna use combos that take up to 5 keypress in the correct order?
Some things must be kept simple in order for people to like it and have fun...lets see how many mmos in the future will have that crap system...i say not one that wants to have players...
Well indeed it is imo, but at least i discribed why it is better than the norm(auto attack) .
Let us know why in you opinion it is not.
At the end of the day AoC can not appeal to every single person, some prefer the combat system of a Chess game, some like to watch paint dry etc...
If you are discussing the actual combat mechanics in AoC you have do it in comparison to other games of the genre. Spell casting is the same as most with weaving added at 50. Melee is simply superior, especially if you consider yourself a pvp'er. The implementation of those mechanics however is up for arguement ofc.
For me the game fails simply because of the utterly poor CS, I have no intention in playing a game where the entire company seems to pretend you dont exist.
If you have a very polished game, it is possible to get away with having very limited discourse with your customers. But if you have a hell of a lot of bug fixing to go and content to improve and add (let alone some balance and such), you need to be honest and open with your customers. To ignore people while making radical changes to the game people are currently playing will serve only to annoy and eventually no matter how much people enjoy the game they will get pissed off and move on.
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Password protected skills. "Please enter your passcode, followed by the # sign...."
Never thought of it that way, but that's very true. It's not like the combos allow you to do any "swordweaving", they are set skills that just force you to Dance Dance Revolution your way to combat victory.
It gets very tedious, very quickly. And the casters don't have to contend with it at all.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Password protected skills. "Please enter your passcode, followed by the # sign...."
Never thought of it that way, but that's very true. It's not like the combos allow you to do any "swordweaving", they are set skills that just force you to Dance Dance Revolution your way to combat victory.
It gets very tedious, very quickly. And the casters don't have to contend with it at all.
Sums up my feeling exactly.
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Funcom removed majority of the original Combat System last year pre-Expo in Leipzig.
I believe reason for it was that internet latency was not able to cope with it (or something along those lines).Sorry, can't remember it exact wordings, it has been almost a year.
This was information provided on official FC boot, from presenters.Kinda raised red flag for me.What you are getting now is barebones of that original combat system.
By this i am not saying that it is bad or good , that's up to players to decide for themselves.
If you add fact that game is made for console(PUKE..) , you can't expect more then 6 button smashing or any quality whatsoever
Password protected skills. "Please enter your passcode, followed by the # sign...."
Never thought of it that way, but that's very true. It's not like the combos allow you to do any "swordweaving", they are set skills that just force you to Dance Dance Revolution your way to combat victory.
It gets very tedious, very quickly. And the casters don't have to contend with it at all.
This is how I felt also, didn't see anything groundbreaking about the combat system at all. If you pressed one button to start a combo then could improvise different attacks within it to counter what your opponent was doing it would be innovative, but as it stands its just a new, less exciting layer of button mashing.