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Can you feel the noose tightening for Darkfall???
Antikythera
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I sure can.
With the latest "happenings" the noose is slowly tightening for Darkfall Online.
With Tasos claiming all kinds of shit like working for MSN gaming zone to Darkfall having 150 FPS with 200 players on screen to showing up to a gaming meeting and showing year old video.
Not to mention no word on the comprehensive video promised over a month ago.
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I almost feel guilty, I feel like I’m participating in killing something I love, but perhaps its already been dead for a long time, in that case I’m just helping to notify the undertaker.
If it really is alive and kicking then I’m happy to be proven wrong.
We have to remember though that there are still a substantial proportion of the community here, on the official boards and else where that dismiss everything we say or don’t accept it at all, so for them at least anything we say is still considered of little or no significance.
I keep thinking maybe Tasos will release that comprehensive game play video today after all it is update Friday, and everything I’ve said is wrong and this game definitely is feature complete and will start public beta soon and will successfully release sometime this year but it just seems increasingly unlikely at this stage in my opinion.
I think you also forgot to mention a large portion of trolls are found hiding under bridges -- laptops at the ready -- scouring for unwary posters that may pass by. **CAUTION to all who cross
I think you misunderstand a few things. Not everyone dismisses everything you post, but the difference is that there are some things that you believe are substantial evidence DarkFall will not release, whereas some of the same things can be judged as proving the exact opposite.
The problem with the community is that everyone is tired of waiting. Understandable, the games been pushed back for a very long time. But theres still hope there, and until we see Adventurine has gone out of business, or the games been scrapped, sold, or abandoned theres still a good chance this game will actually release.
Well he just posted his thoughts. I cant see anything wrong with that myself. His thoughts are based on something that has allegedly happened too.
Of course we all just sit in front of our computers and occasionally log into this website and read other peoples posts. Everyone is still pretty much in the dark about Darkfall and the latest developments do actually make the its future appear even darker. Either way no-one knows for sure at the moment and like religion we can chat about it until the cows come home but we still wont really be any the wiser. Its all just harmless banter though so no harm done.
Well you can speak for the entire online community if you like but I'm pretty sure a large majority of people are NOT sat glued to their keyboards gathering cobwebs as they wait for Darkfall to get made. I'm certainly not. Of course there are probably a few sad people who are but who cares about them anyway? Its not as though Adventurine OWES people anything. They havent signed a contract with the online community so its not their problem if sad people with no lives are getting upset over a single game.
If the game comes out then great. If it doesnt then oh well. There isnt anything that any of the "consumers" can do about it so who cares?
I think that the truth is about to be revealed. Either by a big delay or (most propably) by cancellation. The joke has gone too far, and the initial investment money must be over now. Moving to greece was a good choice. Money lasts longer in Greece than in Norway. But all good things have to end. They can not just keep pretending to be developing a game forever.
In my opinion this game’s development will never end until they decided to release it, sell it or cancel its development.
Aventurine and Darkfall are owned by members of the development and production team.
And the investors and financers of Aventurine and Darkfall are the developers and producers that own it.
They all maintain careers, jobs and other business activities outside development of Darkfall to support themselves financially and the project.
Most of them work part time on Darkfall, and many have only been involved directly for periods of time between other commitments, or are no longer directly or actively involved.
This project can go on indefinitely, just as it has done since they created Aventurine and moved to Greece, after the money from the only actual investor we know of ran out.
After 8 years of development of various kinds nobody really knows how much of what they have promised they have actually accomplished, perhaps they are nearly finished, perhaps not.
Same as EVE Online and Pirates of the Burning Sea, so what?
Stop making stuff up. *Some*, like Henning do, which is also normal in the industry. You have no information about what the 30+ devs do.
Again, stop making stuff up.
They obviously don't build games that's for sure otherwise DF would have been done a loooooong time ago.
Can you name these 30+ devs? No? Then stop making stuff up.
They obviously don't build games that's for sure otherwise DF would have been done a loooooong time ago.
Can you name these 30+ devs? No? Then stop making stuff up.
That makes no sense.
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Same as EVE Online and Pirates of the Burning Sea, so what?
Some people might find this information like, Henning Ludvigson owns Darkfall and Aventurine, and Tasos is one of the co-owner's interesting.
And that Darkfall and Aventurine's investors are the developers and producers themselves, It certainly explains a lot.
Stop making stuff up. *Some*, like Henning do, which is also normal in the industry. You have no information about what the 30+ devs do.
Before you accuse me of making things up, please provide evidence there are 30+ developers working on Darkfall fulltime, not including Tasos words or anonymous people’s estimations who have visited there offices occasionally.
At least you agree that the owner of Darkfall and Aventurine and some others do, but I think its common sense that most probably do , or have at various times during this games development.
Again, stop making stuff up.
You again accuse me of making things up but at least I have provided the developers CV’s to support my speculation.
Please provide some thing to support your claim that the majority of the developers and producers have not worked outside of development of Darkfall over the last 8 years.
It’s the only common sense explanation for how they have sustained the project for 8 years without producing anything or getting any investors.
It’s obvious they work outside the development of Darkfall, because that’s the only way they have continued the development of Darkfall after they ran out of investment money and formed Aventurine in Greece.
And the only way the developers and producers would have the money to invest in Aventurine to become partners or owners.
Here’s some more proof that indeed some or perhaps many of the Developers and producers of Darkfall work outside the project to support themselves financially presumably whilst also contributing to Darkfall's developement.
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3D Engine Programmer at Aventurine S.A
Greece
Coder at Razorwax/Aventurine and Computer Software Consultant
c++, java, python, stl, opengl 2.0, directx 9
Graphics, Physics, Engine programming for computer games
A “technical consultant” based in India, It's unlikely he's working on Darkfall full time if he lives in India and is a consultant, he’s probebly only working for Aventurine and Darkfall part time, probably only when his consultation is required.
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Technical consultant at Aventurine
Yep!, there are alot of things going on right now : )
Maybe that is the sign we all have been waiting for....Darkfall will come and save us!
/sarcasm
With Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 coming out nobody needs saving.
God is a fucker send me to hell
Same as EVE Online and Pirates of the Burning Sea, so what?
Stop making stuff up. *Some*, like Henning do, which is also normal in the industry. You have no information about what the 30+ devs do.
Again, stop making stuff up.
Please, it's not "normal in the industry". Being a developer involved in a project at a successful/serious/professional development studio is full time employment, and more than full time during crunch time. Contrary to what you may believe professional games are not developed working part time or as a hobby between jobs. In fact, one of the traditionally discussed problems in the industry is how time intensive and demanding jobs can be. This is reason behind the existence of websites and organizations like the ea_spouse blog (ea-spouse.livejournal.com/ ) or IDGA (www.igda.org/), though I can tell you they unfortunately haven't been very successful. It baffles me you'd state this as normal without knowing what you're talking about.
Other than that I agree that stating all or most of the staff is only working part time while having second (first) jobs is merely conjecture. We have good reason to believe some do, but no evidence about the rest of them. No evidence on the contrary either, though. So it's just conjecture.
Your one of the dumbest trolls I ever seen. Your thread is pointless and the info in question can be seen on official darkfall forums under news. Let me copy and paste the info here so others can see. 150 FPS is not uncommon for a game like this since he said it is under normal loads and on an average machine which does not mean a hyped up super PC running everything maxed. Normal load battles are around 50-100 players on screen or about. On average 30-60 FPS, you left that out of your post TROLL.
Things are going well with the game testing and with the publishing activities. There are no serious problems to speak of, and we’re on schedule with our milestones.
A couple of things that have us excited: The Darkfall world has been up in its entirety and seeing it all together we have to say that it’s a truly massive world, it’s larger than some countries. You can spend many hours just running through it, and there are so many amazing locations to explore.
There's a focus on optimizing our massive battles capability; we want them to run as smoothly as possible with as many players as possible. We’ve been simulating massive battles and sieges with more than two hundred characters and getting a good 30-60 fps on average machines so far. Under normal loads we typically get over 150 fps and there are still several optimizations to be made so we expect these figures to improve quite a bit.
A little on what’s going on here other than development and business:
We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well.
We made a Darkfall presentation at a local college with a videogame development program while there to recruit some junior QA personnel. Kjetil and I went there and we were happy to meet a lot of friendly and capable people. We were very pleased with the reception and the reaction to the game.
We’re expecting some community members here in early-mid July, people who will be passing through or vacationing in Greece. These are people we’ve never met before that sent us emails on the occasion of their visit. We hope to be in a position to receive them properly; we really can’t plan that far ahead at this stage but we’ll do our best. Over the years we’ve received several visitors that just popped by, a recent one being Asp from the Lords of Death who wrote a piece about Darkfall
and another being Bakatron who also wrote about his visit.
There are a couple of updates that are forthcoming, and we’ll try for a Q&A a journal, or something along those lines for next week.
I see the community has already discovered a couple of news items so I'll briefly comment on them:
As we've mentioned before we had been working on a self-publishing deal, and we've signed with AudioVisual Enterprises to work with us on the European distribution end of Darkfall's publishing. We will make an official announcement on this when it's time for it. Being a public company they are obligated to make a report of their dealings to the stock market and that's the announcement you read about. We're very happy to be working with them especially since we participate in the management of the project.
About an article that appeared on a Greek game site on a short presentation I made at a Greek game developer conference, it's obvious that it contains many inaccuracies and mistakes due to limited knowledge on our game and company. I'm misquoted and misrepresented in the article and I sent them a correction request a few days ago but I see they haven't fixed it yet.
What I said about Neocron specifically is that before Darkfall, the principles of Aventurine had looked at that game as a possible MMO title to be involved with.
Who let you in the VIP section?
You do realize that Tasos has already posted on the Darkfall site that he was misquoted and that he sent a correction request, but they haven't responded yet?
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Well, besides the fact that neither of these are MMORPG's, therefore of no real interest to me (I've played nothing but MMORPG's for the past 7 years) neither of these games are coming out any time soon.
But maybe before Darkfall does.
Its definitely zero hour for DF...they promised to release it this year, we're going to hold them to it.
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You do realize that Tasos has already posted on the Darkfall site that he was misquoted and that he sent a correction request, but they haven't responded yet?
He did, they did. That's the source of another debate. www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/188158
Silvarch, I said all of this was my opinion and speculation in every post I’ve made about this recently, but that was removed in the quote of my post.
I have never said this is all fact, apart from bits which are facts, like Henning Ludvigson owning Darkfall and Aventurine and people like Tasos being co-owner, that is a fact because they say so on there CV’s
Its also a fact that Henning Ludvigson is obviously one of the major investors in this project because he owns it, and people like Tasos and other developer / producers are also investors because they are co-owners.
Or facts like Darkfall has been in various forms of development since 2000, and was planned by Claus from 1995, that we only know of a single investor, or that most of the core developers / producers apparently have no previous experience in game development.
What I am speculating or forming conjectures about is my subjective opinion of the vast body of evidence that I have seen whilst following this games development since 2001, including the latest information.
And my conjecture is that the core/lead developers working on this game over the last 8 years have not all been working on it full time, some do work outside Aventurine to support themselves and the company, but still maintain part time or some involvement with the project.
Or they are involved with other business activities to create income for Darkfall development or creating media exposure attempting to attract investors for Aventurine, which I think they have failed at.
Some presumable earn a living from Aventurine like Tasos or from some of the other business’s he has started or tried to start, others earn a living outside Aventurine like Henning Ludvigson, I’m sure there are more that do.
And the majority of the developers that do work full time are mostly recruited domestically from Greek colleges and university’s and are interns or very low paid and are expected to work over 8 hours a day by Tasos.
And the “professional testers” are the same, unpaid or low paid interns from Greek colleges and university’s or recruited from Greek gaming sites as Tasos mentioned recently.
This is the only reasonably common sense explanation how the owners and core developers/ producers of Razorwax/Aventurine and Darkfall have maintained development of Darkfall in various for 8 years without ever producing anything to generate income, and only acquiring a single investor in 2000 that we know of.
This simply answers all my questions about how, why and when to pretty much everything and anything to do with this game and the company’s that have been developing it.
I personally think since Aventurine was formed by the lead developers / producers and owners of Darkfall , Tasos has been responsible for a huge amount of spin and hype about Darkfall and Aventurine, and my sort of speculation explains why so many of his promises and claims have failed to materialize so far.
Tyres100, copy pasting marketing and promotional spin and hype from a Co-owner of the company and game that he himself is in charge of PR for is not proof that anything Tasos is saying or has said in the past is true or fact.
Tasos is a salesman trying to sell Darkfall to the community and to potential investors, that’s what the whole purpose of his updates have been for years.
Tasos said recently according to GameWorld “If Darkfall had released 3 years ago it would have been buried, and would not have the community it has now”
That is a damning indication of the real motivations behind all the claims and boasts he’s been making for years about Darkfall and Aventurine.
He recently apparently made a lot of the same grandiose claims and exaggerations at that recent Greek gaming conference, like Darkfall having 3 million users and hundreds of thousands of fans, and a great reputation and community.
For me personally Tasos has finally lost what little credibility he had left, I will no longer accept anything he says until he starts proving things by showing Darkfall.
He wants to sell Darkfall and Aventurine , because he’s one of the owners, what ever he says is marketing promotion and cynical public relations spin and community “management” in my opinion.
In my opinion he has no credability and is acting very unprofessionaly desperatly trying to keep this thing going becuase he has a personall investment in it, like many of the other developer / owners of this project and company.
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Nothing is certain until December 31st.
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So marketing, publishing, distribution, beta and release can all happen in 1 day?
Don’t you think some of those things should probably all ready be happening or starting soon.
What if there’s another delay before or on the 31st
I guess that would finally confirm the only thing certain is that nothing Tasos says about Darkfall is certain.