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Why PC players make good beta testers for consoles
markyturnip
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It is seems pretty clear that PC players are currently paying to test this game before it is released on XBox 360. It seems not such a bad idea - why?
a) because PC players are more tech savvy, so are more likely to be able to cope with difficulties and find solutions
b) PC players more patient about dealing with bugs (despite what you read in forums)
c) PC players probably have more disposable income, so don't mind paying to beta test so much
d) PC players are willing to pay for mid beta level quality, in return for playing before console players
e) there is less of a brand risk to bad PC games... if XBOx messes up, it hurts XBox as a whole; if a PC game messes up, the developer takes a bit of a knock but no-one else really bears any consequences
f) PC players will test out many configurations and craft their own mods and uis, which Funcom can adopt, and use to improve the game pre XBox
any other thoughts?
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1-Age of Conan in the 360 wont be the same, because combat need to be adapted to joystick and AOC need to be at least 2x smaller.
2-360 is a closed system, very easy to test, you cant ( and you wont ) test a 360 game using a different and open system like a PC, so your theory make no sense, it in only based on the fact PC gamers thing Console gamers are a lesser kind of consumers. A xbox game will be tested in the xbox.
3-Any bug fixed on the PC wont work in the 360, as I said it is much more easy to fix issues in a closed system.
4-Anyone that support your theory just dont know the differences between PCs and Consoles.
5-Age of Conan needed more tests on PCs before the official release, this has nothing to do with the 360.
See, just be rational and you realize, your theory has no base.
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g) PC players make cool threads about how they are better than console players
Oh no, what if someone plays both? OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joystick?
Look at FFXI identical on Playstation and PC. They will need to scale the graphics down a bit, lower file size, but I cant see why this wont work on the 360 box. With all the instancing and the style of the combat system this game screams console.
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With all the combos and potions after level 50 it would need more buttons, so it will need at least a couple of changes.
HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit.
But my point is, it is very easy to test and check a game in a totally closed system, the issue is with PCs where we have tons of different configurations.
A patch made for PC wont work for the 360, can you see now why I say no one is testing it for the XBOX?
The game has been tested for PC only, it would need much more time of beta, but who think it has something to do with the 360 is wrong.
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With all the combos and potions after level 50 it would need more buttons, so it will need at least a couple of changes.
HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit.
But my point is, it is very easy to test and check a game in a totally closed system, the issue is with PCs where we have tons of different configurations.
A patch made for PC wont work for the 360, can you see now why I say no one is testing it for the XBOX?
The game has been tested for PC only, it would need much more time of beta, but who think it has something to do with the 360 is wrong.
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It wont need more buttons, if you had played FF XI you would relise this. HD has nothing to do with graphic capibilties, it will run the same speed regardless if its on a normal TV or HD.
All XBOX games are developed on a PC, they will have patches like a PC does as well they wont be the same patches, but they will have them.
This will be the foundations for the XBOX version, to think there doing a completly different version for the XBOX is crazy, this version will be ported over, thats if they can do it. Which I doubt.
With all the combos and potions after level 50 it would need more buttons, so it will need at least a couple of changes.
HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit.
But my point is, it is very easy to test and check a game in a totally closed system, the issue is with PCs where we have tons of different configurations.
A patch made for PC wont work for the 360, can you see now why I say no one is testing it for the XBOX?
The game has been tested for PC only, it would need much more time of beta, but who think it has something to do with the 360 is wrong.
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It wont need more buttons, if you had played FF XI you would relise this. HD has nothing to do with graphic capibilties, it will run the same speed regardless if its on a normal TV or HD.
Normal TV or HD? What are you talking about?
Im talking about storage, 360 wont be able to handle almost 30 gigas.
By the way, about buttons, funcom already said the game will not be the same on the 360 regarding gameplay.
All XBOX games are developed on a PC, they will have patches like a PC does as well they wont be the same patches, but they will have them.
Ofcourse it is developed on a PC this has nothing to do with the fact a performance or client issue patch for a open system like a pc just wont work in the same way for the 360, as I said it is much, much more easier to patch a game for the 360, getting patches for the PC player base to use on a closed system is stupidity.
This will be the foundations for the XBOX version, to think there doing a completly different version for the XBOX is crazy, this version will be ported over, thats if they can do it. Which I doubt.
Most of games ported from XBOX to PC or from PC to XBOX usually have issues on the PC side, a ported version is not the same version and as I said a PC version will always need much more tests and remember, AOC is not a console port on the PC is a PC port that may come to the 360.
Just to be clear, Im not saying AOC will not work on the 360, it will for sure with a well made port,( if Funcom can make it, Im not sure ) but the "we are testing it for a console" theory is just non sense.
With all the combos and potions after level 50 it would need more buttons, so it will need at least a couple of changes.
HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit.
But my point is, it is very easy to test and check a game in a totally closed system, the issue is with PCs where we have tons of different configurations.
A patch made for PC wont work for the 360, can you see now why I say no one is testing it for the XBOX?
The game has been tested for PC only, it would need much more time of beta, but who think it has something to do with the 360 is wrong.
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It wont need more buttons, if you had played FF XI you would relise this. HD has nothing to do with graphic capibilties, it will run the same speed regardless if its on a normal TV or HD.
Normal TV or HD? What are you talking about?
Im talking about storage, 360 wont be able to handle almost 30 gigas.
By the way, about buttons, funcom already said the game will not be the same on the 360 regarding gameplay.
All XBOX games are developed on a PC, they will have patches like a PC does as well they wont be the same patches, but they will have them.
Ofcourse it is developed on a PC this has nothing to do with the fact a performance or client issue patch for a open system like a pc just wont work in the same way for the 360, as I said it is much, much more easier to patch a game for the 360, getting patches forthe PC player base to use on a closed system is stupidity.
This will be the foundations for the XBOX version, to think there doing a completly different version for the XBOX is crazy, this version will be ported over, thats if they can do it. Which I doubt.
Most of games ported from XBOX to PC or from PC to XBOX usually have issues on the PC side, a ported version is not the same version and as I said a PC version will always need much more tests and remember, AOC is not a console port on the PC is a PC port that may come to the 360.
Sorry but that made absolutely no sense.
What exacly Bladeinhand?
I confess I was not able to find any sense in your argumment about hd too. ( what a TV has to do with the fact not all 360 versions come with HD?)
Really, if you belive all PC testing will work ( and are for ) the 360 version, I cant find much sense in that too.
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What exacly Bladeinhand?
I confess I was not able to find any sense in your argumment about hd too. ( what a TV has to do with the fact not all 360 versions come with HD?)
Really, if you belive all PC testing will work ( and are for ) the 360 version, I cant find much sense in that too.
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Don't worry, logic and common sense never got in the way of a good whine meme. "We are testing the 360 version" is just something somebody stupid said on the forums and the whiners picked up on it because they thought it made them sound like they knew what they were talking about.
What exacly Bladeinhand?
I confess I was not able to find any sense in your argumment about hd too. ( what a TV has to do with the fact not all 360 versions come with HD?)
Really, if you belive all PC testing will work ( and are for ) the 360 version, I cant find much sense in that too.
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I took HD as High Definition not hardrive, you worded it poorly. I take it English is not your main language? I know you cant just port over a PC game to a console like magic, what I am saying is that they will base the XBOX version on the PC version people are playing now, hence PC players are playing beta for XBOX users.
I took HD as High Definition not hardrive, you worded it poorly. I take it English is not your main language? I know you cant just port over a PC game to a console like magic, what I am saying is that they will base the XBOX version on the PC version people are playing now, hence PC players are playing beta for XBOX users.
No, english is not my main language ( not even my second ) but I didnt word it poorly, you took it as High Definition not based in the way I used, dont blame me if you made a mistake, but I think you are probably not used to the 360, as everyone use the term "hd default" on the XBOX based on the different console versions.
But I see now you dont have an argument about the real HD issue.
I already said why you cant call the PC version a 360 beta, you may call it a PC beta if you want.
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What exacly Bladeinhand?
I confess I was not able to find any sense in your argumment about hd too. ( what a TV has to do with the fact not all 360 versions come with HD?)
Really, if you belive all PC testing will work ( and are for ) the 360 version, I cant find much sense in that too.
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Don't worry, logic and common sense never got in the way of a good whine meme. "We are testing the 360 version" is just something somebody stupid said on the forums and the whiners picked up on it because they thought it made them sound like they knew what they were talking about.
I think you are right Gurugeorge
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I took HD as High Definition not hardrive, you worded it poorly. I take it English is not your main language? I know you cant just port over a PC game to a console like magic, what I am saying is that they will base the XBOX version on the PC version people are playing now, hence PC players are playing beta for XBOX users.
No, english is not my main language ( not even my second ) but I didnt word it poorly, you took it as High Definition not based in the way I used, dont blame me if you made a mistake, but I think you are probably not used to the 360, as everyone use the term hd default on the XBOX based on the different console versions.
But I see now you dont have an argument about the real HD issue.
I already said why you cant call the PC version a 360 beta, you may call it a PC beta if you want.
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Obviously Not. I work in the computer industry, when I hear HD I think of High Definition not hardrives, I made no mistake you worded it poorly ; -
"HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit. "
What was I meant to take from that?
" The HD does not come with all versions of the XBOX, also the games file size will need to be reduced allot more than a bit, to fit the limited storagecapacity it has."
Would of made more sense.
So if they are not using the PC version of Conan for the XBOX, you think they have some sort of special version? Seeing they have ploughed millions of dollars and five years making this I doubt it.
I took HD as High Definition not hardrive, you worded it poorly. I take it English is not your main language? I know you cant just port over a PC game to a console like magic, what I am saying is that they will base the XBOX version on the PC version people are playing now, hence PC players are playing beta for XBOX users.
No, english is not my main language ( not even my second ) but I didnt word it poorly, you took it as High Definition not based in the way I used, dont blame me if you made a mistake, but I think you are probably not used to the 360, as everyone use the term hd default on the XBOX based on the different console versions.
But I see now you dont have an argument about the real HD issue.
I already said why you cant call the PC version a 360 beta, you may call it a PC beta if you want.
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Obviously Not. I work in the computer industry, when I hear HD I think of High Definition not hardrives, I made no mistake you worded it poorly ; -
"HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit. "
What was I meant to take from that?
" The HD does not come with all versions of the XBOX, also the games file size will need to be reduced allot more than a bit, to fit the limited storagecapacity it has."
Would of made more sense.
So if they are not using the PC version of Conan for the XBOX, you think they have some sort of special version? Seeing they have ploughed millions of dollars and five years making this I doubt it.
As I said you took it by high definition even after I said the game would need to be reduced because you are not familiar with the 360 and this is why it will be hard for you to understand anything I say between 360 versus PCs.
Again, you have no arguments about that, because you realized the 360 version need to be a smaller modified version of AOC, you can see now it is not exacly a common port, so you cant call the PC version a console beta.
They are using the same base version and porting it, but this doesnt mean the PC patches and fixes are for the 360 aswell, it is common knowledge Funcom has a different team for the XBOX version.
With the same base but with separated patches and testing, you just cant say Age of Conan on PC is a beta version for the 360 upcoming release.
As I said, it is much more easy to test and fix a game for a system like the 360, no one would use a PC player base with so many different hardwares for that.
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I took HD as High Definition not hardrive, you worded it poorly. I take it English is not your main language? I know you cant just port over a PC game to a console like magic, what I am saying is that they will base the XBOX version on the PC version people are playing now, hence PC players are playing beta for XBOX users.
No, english is not my main language ( not even my second ) but I didnt word it poorly, you took it as High Definition not based in the way I used, dont blame me if you made a mistake, but I think you are probably not used to the 360, as everyone use the term hd default on the XBOX based on the different console versions.
But I see now you dont have an argument about the real HD issue.
I already said why you cant call the PC version a 360 beta, you may call it a PC beta if you want.
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Obviously Not. I work in the computer industry, when I hear HD I think of High Definition not hardrives, I made no mistake you worded it poorly ; -
"HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit. "
What was I meant to take from that?
" The HD does not come with all versions of the XBOX, also the games file size will need to be reduced allot more than a bit, to fit the limited storagecapacity it has."
Would of made more sense.
So if they are not using the PC version of Conan for the XBOX, you think they have some sort of special version? Seeing they have ploughed millions of dollars and five years making this I doubt it.
As I said you took it by high definition even after I said the game would need to be reduced because you are not familiar with the 360 and this is why it will be hard for you to understand anything I say between 360 versus PCs.
Again I misunderstood you because your english is poor. You worded it poorly, there is no way around it. I have a XBOX 360, don't presume.
Again, you have no arguments about that, because you realized the 360 version need to be a smaller modified version of AOC, you can see now it is not exacly a common port, so you cant call the PC version a console beta.
I never said it was a straight port, they will chop bits out to make it smaller, doesnt mean it won't be more or less the same as the PC version.
They are using the same base version and porting it, but this doesnt mean the PC patches and fixes are for the 360 aswell, it is common knowledge Funcom has a different team for the XBOX version.
You really think they will use the base version they used at launch, haha. They will use the patched more fixed version, that is on the PC now.
With the same base but with separated patches and testing, you just cant say Age of Conan on PC is a beta version for the 360 upcoming release.
The things they are patching now will be in the XBOX version, when the game is released on the XBOX you will get patches for it then on the XBOX. So it is a XBOX beta.
As I said, it is much more easy to test and fix a game for a system like the 360, no one would use a PC player base with so many different hardwares for that.
They don't test and fix games on the XBOX they use PC's, you just don't get it. I guess we must just agree to disagree.
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I took HD as High Definition not hardrive, you worded it poorly. I take it English is not your main language? I know you cant just port over a PC game to a console like magic, what I am saying is that they will base the XBOX version on the PC version people are playing now, hence PC players are playing beta for XBOX users.
No, english is not my main language ( not even my second ) but I didnt word it poorly, you took it as High Definition not based in the way I used, dont blame me if you made a mistake, but I think you are probably not used to the 360, as everyone use the term hd default on the XBOX based on the different console versions.
But I see now you dont have an argument about the real HD issue.
I already said why you cant call the PC version a 360 beta, you may call it a PC beta if you want.
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Obviously Not. I work in the computer industry, when I hear HD I think of High Definition not hardrives, I made no mistake you worded it poorly ; -
"HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit. "
What was I meant to take from that?
" The HD does not come with all versions of the XBOX, also the games file size will need to be reduced allot more than a bit, to fit the limited storagecapacity it has."
Would of made more sense.
So if they are not using the PC version of Conan for the XBOX, you think they have some sort of special version? Seeing they have ploughed millions of dollars and five years making this I doubt it.
As I said you took it by high definition even after I said the game would need to be reduced because you are not familiar with the 360 and this is why it will be hard for you to understand anything I say between 360 versus PCs.
Again I misunderstood you because your english is poor. You worded it poorly, there is no way around it. I have a XBOX 360, don't presume.
Again, you have no arguments about that, because you realized the 360 version need to be a smaller modified version of AOC, you can see now it is not exacly a common port, so you cant call the PC version a console beta.
I never said it was a straight port, they will chop bits out to make it smaller, doesnt mean it won't be more or less the same as the PC version.
They are using the same base version and porting it, but this doesnt mean the PC patches and fixes are for the 360 aswell, it is common knowledge Funcom has a different team for the XBOX version.
You really think they will use the base version they used at launch, haha. They will use the patched more fixed version, that is on the PC now.
With the same base but with separated patches and testing, you just cant say Age of Conan on PC is a beta version for the 360 upcoming release.
The things they are patching now will be in the XBOX version, when the game is released on the XBOX you will get patches for it then on the XBOX. So it is a XBOX beta.
As I said, it is much more easy to test and fix a game for a system like the 360, no one would use a PC player base with so many different hardwares for that.
They don't test and fix games on the XBOX they use PC's, you just don't get it. I guess we must just agree to disagree.
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You realize you still dont have any argument about the storage issue and you prefer to claim my english is poor to use it as a counter argument... well, dont you think it is a bit silly? Really, when you claim my english is poor the fact you had no idea about the storage issue doesnt go away.
You prefer to act with arrogance and say I dont get it , but you should realize at this point the fixes are for PC issues and not the upcoming reduced 360 version.
If you think they need typical PC fixes like performance fixes and hardware incompatibility fixes to test the 360 version, well, I have nothing more to say and Im happy to say, I disagree with you.
It seems you are not familiar with the 360 and the real Age of Conan issues and patches, but I bet you will say you have both and my english is poor, so you can feel you are right, anyway, this started to be pointless.
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Why do you people feel the need to quote people just above you and quote replies 5 deep? WTF?
I took HD as High Definition not hardrive, you worded it poorly. I take it English is not your main language? I know you cant just port over a PC game to a console like magic, what I am saying is that they will base the XBOX version on the PC version people are playing now, hence PC players are playing beta for XBOX users.
No, english is not my main language ( not even my second ) but I didnt word it poorly, you took it as High Definition not based in the way I used, dont blame me if you made a mistake, but I think you are probably not used to the 360, as everyone use the term hd default on the XBOX based on the different console versions.
But I see now you dont have an argument about the real HD issue.
I already said why you cant call the PC version a 360 beta, you may call it a PC beta if you want.
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Obviously Not. I work in the computer industry, when I hear HD I think of High Definition not hardrives, I made no mistake you worded it poorly ; -
"HD is not default in the 360 so the game will need to be reduced for sure and not just only a bit. "
What was I meant to take from that?
" The HD does not come with all versions of the XBOX, also the games file size will need to be reduced allot more than a bit, to fit the limited storagecapacity it has."
Would of made more sense.
So if they are not using the PC version of Conan for the XBOX, you think they have some sort of special version? Seeing they have ploughed millions of dollars and five years making this I doubt it.
As I said you took it by high definition even after I said the game would need to be reduced because you are not familiar with the 360 and this is why it will be hard for you to understand anything I say between 360 versus PCs.
Again I misunderstood you because your english is poor. You worded it poorly, there is no way around it. I have a XBOX 360, don't presume.
Again, you have no arguments about that, because you realized the 360 version need to be a smaller modified version of AOC, you can see now it is not exacly a common port, so you cant call the PC version a console beta.
I never said it was a straight port, they will chop bits out to make it smaller, doesnt mean it won't be more or less the same as the PC version.
They are using the same base version and porting it, but this doesnt mean the PC patches and fixes are for the 360 aswell, it is common knowledge Funcom has a different team for the XBOX version.
You really think they will use the base version they used at launch, haha. They will use the patched more fixed version, that is on the PC now.
With the same base but with separated patches and testing, you just cant say Age of Conan on PC is a beta version for the 360 upcoming release.
The things they are patching now will be in the XBOX version, when the game is released on the XBOX you will get patches for it then on the XBOX. So it is a XBOX beta.
As I said, it is much more easy to test and fix a game for a system like the 360, no one would use a PC player base with so many different hardwares for that.
They don't test and fix games on the XBOX they use PC's, you just don't get it. I guess we must just agree to disagree.
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You realize you still dont have any argument about the storage issue and you prefer to claim my english is poor to use it as a counter argument... well, dont you think it is a bit silly? Really, when you claim my english is poor the fact you had no idea about the storage issue doesnt go away.
You prefer to act with arrogance and say I dont get it , but you should realize at this point the fixes are for PC issues and not the upcoming reduced 360 version.
If you think they need typical PC fixes like performance fixes and hardware incompatibility fixes to test the 360 version, well, I have nothing more to say and Im happy to say, I disagree with you.
It seems you are not familiar with the 360 and the real Age of Conan issues and patches, but I bet you will say you have both and my english is poor, so you can feel you are right, anyway, this started to be pointless.
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Does this change the fact AOC would need to be smaller (different version) in the 360?
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As for file size, then this will have a relative easy fix, since the xbox version wont have low/medium/high setting, and therefore not include irrelevant graphics/effects/models.
It will most likely NOT be the high setting (that takeup most space) they are aiming for but a low/medium setting, and since they also dont need all the fixes to different hardware (only one here), the total filessize will be easy to degrees...
WHAT?
it cant possibly happen. no one is allowed to play both...or like both...or dont give a toss about either.
this is the modern world damnit and everyone MUST choose a side.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
PC players review after beta testing a console, "I was expecting naked bodies on screen. The instructions said you need a joystick ..."
I think Bladeinhand had it right about a million posts ago, you think they re-write the thing totally for the XBOX360? Of course they don't. It's bound to be essentially the same software and consequently, any major difficulties that have emerged during the PC phase are going to be addressed - it wouldn't make good business sense not to do that, would it?
So whoever said that PC owners were essentially beta-testing the game for console release was probably right. I'm no developer, but if a major bug became obvious on the PC, would you not fix it before it went to console? That's beta testing...