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Dont do this!! push it back [poll]
metalhead980
Member Posts: 2,658
While I respect Mythic for the early info, I personally believe it would be better to push WAR into 2009 then drop Four cities and classes.
I want WAR to succeed, believe me i do.
I'm sorry but i wont be subbing until all 6 cities are functional and four dropped classes are back in.
If it takes till Christmas 2009 so be it.
I know you guys are dying to play the game but seriously i would rather it stay in beta longer so we get all the content.
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PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
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Mythic is going the Funcom route..
I have had it with mmo companies !!!!!!!!!
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I'm all for pushing the release back, but I do not think they can afford to.
Can we at least try the open beta before going into the nerd rage of doom and gloom?
this goes for most mmo companies... they're good at promising new stuff takes forever to deliver.. .
all the big games has had great promises prerelease and have to cut back to manage to be able to release... why don't they do it the other way around for a change... promise little then deliver a lot... but I guess they want to create as much interest for the specific game so it can possible sell more... :
That asking too much! didnt you see already the sky is falling! IT THE END OF ALL!
"There no I in team but there a WE in weapon." -Thoragrin Oxenhide
That asking too much! didnt you see already the sky is falling! IT THE END OF ALL!
open beta is too late for anything
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That asking too much! didnt you see already the sky is falling! IT THE END OF ALL!
open beta is too late for anything
Yes it really is the end of everything, so i guess the only thing left for us is to hang ourselves, you go first...i will catch up later.
"There no I in team but there a WE in weapon." -Thoragrin Oxenhide
That asking too much! didnt you see already the sky is falling! IT THE END OF ALL!
open beta is too late for anything
You're mistaken it's a month and a half to two month beta not a...what...20 day Open Beta, or however long AoC's was.
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Order of the White Border.
Open beta will let me decide If this game is worth having in terms of fun, not abouth 4 classes that didnt make it, or starting zones that will be empty anyway since your out there leveling up moving yourself to the main capitol cities like Ironforge/Ogrimmar.
WoW gnomes and Trolls didnt had there initial starting cities, and yet after 4 years they still dont, do you see people complaining abouth it? hardly.
You still get twice as much classes then WoW delivers, even with there heroclass wich is basicly just a normal class in itself.
If you guys disagree you can always go back to Repcraft. j/k
pretty even. i say bring it out and add later. you'll be learning 1 city for 1-2 months anyway
This is just my personal opinion, based upon involvement as a player and a GM in MMOGs over the last fifteen years...
I think them telling us that the cities and the classes aren't ready was excellent communication.
I also think that launching without this content, that they have been touting and talking about (along with race/faction balance) for so long, will truly hurt the game in a big way.
It won't destroy WAR, but it will absolutely drag all the AoC negativity over here 10x more than it was before. And it will make players that were believers in Mythic and WAR start to question their beliefs.
Horrible decision on Mythic's part, in my opinion. Push it back and do it right the FIRST time, while you still can. If you don't, you "released early" when content wasn't finished and the game wasn't ready. That's definitely a Funcom-style move.
I think this is the right move for Mythic. There is no way investors are going to keep sinking more money down the well when they have had no return on their investment in three years. They are pretty much saying that they are slated to getting this game out by their release date and that it will be a great game if they don't have to worry about those classes and cities. Hell, It took Blizzard a couple of years to get the bugs out of WOW from their original release. It's what happens when you make a game so big that you cut corners.
Mythic is doing the right thing. If you don't like it then you can go back to WOW where they don't communicate at all with their player base.
The problem with waiting until open beta is that there will be a TON of people in it. With those people comes a bunch of servers and more money being wasted.
It is easier at this point to delay now before OB and get the classes in and then do OB.
People keep thinking that they are just a few classes. Those classes are representative of certain playstyles and since they are being taken away so are the places for players to go. Not to mention the balance issues it brings up. There is already a bunch of ranged and with the removal of 4 melee it almost becomes a ranged game.
The cities I could care less about. Fighting over 2 cities is fine and dandy. None of the other cities bring anything super important to the table besides flavor. The classes however but a big dent in the core of the game.
BTW I hate WoW and even I can say at this point that it isn't close to double the classes. There are 10(was 12) classes but each class has a different flavor making it 20 variants.
Or of course, there is option 3....
Hire some temporary staff, pay them overtime, and get it made in time. There are a TON of amazing designers and programmers out there who would kill for the chance to get some real MMO work under their belt, not to mention legions of student designers who could take up the slack of the less important parts freeing up the main teams.
EA is such a big company, with so much surplus money, it really wouldnt be hard to do.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
Push it back and let us play open beta!
Do you remember them talking about the bags of money? You remember all of the staunch fans saying that they can't possibly go wrong, and they can take all the time they need, because EA was the sugardaddy?
My response to that was always that EA doesn't seem like the kind of corporation to throw bags of money at anything, and like anyone else all spending and fund requests had to be approved and monitored. I knew something was... off, when i read about the professions months ago. I'm not sure what it was that made me feel that, but it just did.
Now here we are. EA has the money, and if they had any faith in the game they'd wait. EA should know that a game done right prints money ala WoW. It seems stupid and cowardly of them to back out of it now. They need to just throw some more of their pocket money at the game and do it right. Its been years, whats wrong with another one?
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Sadly, I see storm clouds on the horizon. A faint stench of Vanguard is in the air.-Kien
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While DO expect that the WAR, when released, will be solid and polished . . .
I would still like them to just take the time to finish the initial game as defined and advertised. Cutting the game down is just not smart business in the world of MMOs. Nor is releasing junk, as the AoC investors are now finding out.
Yes, I would prefer to have them not release till a year from now and really finish the initial game up. Good MMORPGs are tremendous money makers for many, many years. A good game can make an order of magnitude more income than the same game partially cooked.
Well, we shall see.
DAoC was a really finished product when it was released.
Will WAR be the same?
Looks to me like the Bean Counters and Suits now have control of Mythic.
And you all know what THAT means.
I'm dissipointed about the loss of capitals as much as you are, but if Mythic were going the Funcom route, they wouldn't have told you about it now. They would have waited until you bought the game first to find out on your own.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Honestly... am i angry about the decision? ofc i am...
But in terms of marketing, Mythic has only one delay left until people start yelling "vaporware" at them... and that delay can be 1 month max... and in one month they could MAYBE fix the classes... but make 4 cityes? doubt it...
So they are kinda trying to pick the lesser of 2 evils... delay it and loose customers due to waiting too long or just say "ok... we can't do this in time, let's just push it back into a content patch"
Now if mythic releases the 4 cityes in 6months or 1 year and says "here's an expansion, pay for it"... (and i realy doubt they will) well then i think i'm quiting my account
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No need to push it back. Even in closed beta WAR is very polished game, even better than WoW in first months after release - WoW even have no PvP just after release
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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LordOfDarkDesire
The first thing I did when WoW came out was raid the XRs on my 12 Dwarf Hunter!!! They had PvP
having 2 live cities instead of 6 just isnt right, really do need to delay!!
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Mythic is going the Funcom route..
I have had it with mmo companies !!!!!!!!!
Not necessarily; Mythic is at least being honest with the amount of content that will actually be in at launch. FC promised well more than they knew they would have... we can't judge if Mythic does it to the same extent as FC did but it seems unlikely with at least this small amount of honesty that they are showing. They've definitely learned something from AoC's launch.
Although either way I probably won't play this game at launch, I'd say it's in their best interest to delay. For one they don't want to have their game launched at the same time as WoTLK. If anyone knows blizzard and isn't an idiot, even if you dislike WoW, you know blizzard is going to have this thing polished to an extent where you can see your own face on the box (that would be pretty funny if they release their box with some shine; I'd find that pretty humorous). You don't want to compete with WoW unless you know you're offering up the best that you can offer... unless you want to get demolished.
And I'm pretty sure the majority of us would appreciate a company showing some morality and honesty. This is all and good, but most of us prefer a finished game than a pay for beta testing... which is what this will be unless they push back. Whether or not they do is questionable.
and if they push back it will cause even more havok amongst the community. Its been pushed back too much already..
the game doesnt actually *need* these things to be a fully functional game - I hope they have everything else polished. Provided it is a polished game despite these cutbacks, it is not going the funcom route - and if you feel the game really needs the extra classes and cities, then I suppose you wait before purchasing. Theyre being open and honest.
Personally, I wouldnt have dropped the classes though.. just the cities.
i'm really surprised about all the complaining being done over 4 cities. so we lost 4 cities...the 2 that will be in game will have double the content that they had originally planned. I see it as a win/win situation. In order for mythic to keep the other 4 cities on par they will have 2 choices:
1) lower the content of the original cities since they said themselves they will have double the amount things available from the way it was originally planned when they thought 6 cities were going to be released.
2) raise the standards for the other 4 cities so that they aren't over shadowed by the content avaialble in the 2 cities that are expected out at release.
..the best part of 2 major cities for now is that with the lost of 2 classes per faction finding a replacement class from another race will be that much faster and easier.
players worry too much about bad stuff and not look at what the game still as to offer