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Punkbuster?! Seriously?!
ZoMBiEXxX
Member Posts: 107
Is anybody else upset that they have chosen to go with the easily hackable punkbuster system. Punkbuster is easily bypassable by anyone who makes hacks for their fps games such as the Battlefield series, Call of Duty series, Medal of Honor, Americas Army, Enemy Territory series, WarRock, and the Rainbow-Six series (just to name a few.) One thing these games all have in common is a huge hacker community that preys on people with their unfair advantage.
Most websites that sell hacks to the public only sell hacks to punkbuster enabled games because of the simplicity to make hacks for all punkbuster related games. I wont list the websites here because I do not wise to promote companies that ruin gaming experiences for others. But any trip to google will show you that they are easily found and heavily populated.
Punkbuster does a horrible job on every game I have played that uses their online countermeasure system. WoW uses their own made system called Warden and they do a fantastic job against hackers. You don't see any sites selling WoW hacks because they don't work. If Warhammer chooses to use punkbuster I think we will be seeing websites selling new hacks to their communities. Hacks for a MMO instead of an FPS. For 10 bucks a month anyone who plays war can get an unfair advantage for other players because punkbuster isn't up to it.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
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You do realize that Warden and PB use the same type of technology? And the only reason PB is widely shit on is because it is in MANY games.
Did you hear how Punkbuster is being used in Warhammer?
It won't auto-kick users, or anything like that. If the system detects something, it flags the player as questionable, whereas the GM comes in and follows that person to see what they do and if they truly hack or not.
Punkbuster is just going to aid them to track more hackers, but the GMs are still kicking people manually once they track them.
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Currently Waiting For: Nothing, found my addiction for awhile
Currently Playing: Warhammer Online - Oblivion, Warrior Priest, Averheim; Team Fortress 2
I have had a problem with punkbuster when I play Call of duty 4. I’ll be in a middle of a game and get kicked from it by punkbuster for no reason. So I hope I don’t have the same experience with WAR and their PB system.
I see you didn't read my post right above yours.
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Currently Waiting For: Nothing, found my addiction for awhile
Currently Playing: Warhammer Online - Oblivion, Warrior Priest, Averheim; Team Fortress 2
PB only scans processes for cheatengine and other common cheat programs such as cheat engine. But anyone who can make their own cheatengine can make it to where it is hidden from the process list.
This has been tried on WoW and failed becasue Warden scans other things and has other defenses. PB is just a piece of shit that can't stop anything.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
If the system doesn't work they'll find another one. Admittedly I don't know that much about how good/bad it is.
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If warhammer is going to get the mass rush of users like it is thought to get. Then they can't possibly follow everyone who punkbuster detects, and going back to my previous post.. punkbuster only detects running processes and if your hack program is hidden from that process than your all good. Unless they update their defenses for this game and not all of the others. If you have played those other games and have talked to some of those hackers, you would know that most of them make their own with undetected CE.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
They tracked down hackers themselves in DAoC, and did a pretty damn good job.
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Currently Waiting For: Nothing, found my addiction for awhile
Currently Playing: Warhammer Online - Oblivion, Warrior Priest, Averheim; Team Fortress 2
I see you didn't read my post right above yours.
They tracked down hackers themselves in DAoC, and did a pretty damn good job.
What did they use for DAoC, because I haven't played it myself and I don't know. If they just did it themselves without the use of a detecting program then I suppose it will work out fine.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
Punkbuster all closing the pool.
Man is born, man lives, man dies, and its all vanity.
Didn't go woohoo when I heard this news, my experience with PB (not kicking and such, seriously they are not going to use such a system in mmo's) was that they were always chasing their tale. Were always behind the cheaters and I know they can't exclude all cheating but it took em sometimes a few months when a cheat was known with the masses.
Oh well let's hope it gotten better.
It hasn't I played CoD4 and WarRock right now and the hacker problem has gotten worse now that more people know how to do it. Whole clans hack in WarRock because they never get banned. Every game I see a super jumper or someone who has no recoil and unlimited ammo.
Call of Duty 4 is riddled with see through wall hackers that shoot you threw the walls before you can even look out. Its just makes you not want to play anymore.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
Sounds even worse then the Soldier of Fortune 2 times I was talking about
I am really looking forward to WAR and I hope it gets a lot better when they use it. I can't stand hackers.
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
I am really looking forward to WAR and I hope it gets a lot better when they use it. I can't stand hackers.
Yea, I also hate gold farmers and sellers and not to mention BOT applications that will camp a zone for hours / day and even weeks.
I am really looking forward to WAR and I hope it gets a lot better when they use it. I can't stand hackers.
Yea, I also hate gold farmers and sellers and not to mention BOT applications that will camp a zone for hours / day and even weeks.
Well considering that the type of hacks you can use for MMOs are limited, such a speed hack and wall climbing and what not. Bots are prolly on the top of the list of what people will be making if they can bypass punkbuster as easy as they do on other games..
"Da bigger da Orc, da stronger da Orc. Da stronger da Orc, da more dat's Orc's da boss. No wonder da Black Orcs is always da bosses!"
- Splinta, a Goblin in the Bloody Sun Boyz tribe
WoW has its own built in cheat system called insainely overpowered gear and classes.
i didn't read all the posts , forgive me if this was said already .
PB is great at catching the public hacks and bot's. it does a very good job IMHO .
PB starts to fall behind when it comes up against the real hacks . most gold farmers run their bot's on a separate computer . they will have up to 20 computers running different account and 1 main to control all of them . PB or any other anti cheat system just can not detect these kind of bot's.
also , some cheat's / hackers will actually run on a totally reverse engineered client ! it will be built specifically to trick PB and all other security measures + give them what most would call god mode.
i wish i could comment more on the the real hackers and gold farmers ... i can't though . thats out of my league and i would just be pulling what ever i said out of my butt !
this is old but if you haven't seen it and want to waste an hour of your life ... it's fairly interesting
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-243449809912903881&q=greg+hoglund+defcon&ei=LMRjSOWJFYeIrgLo07iaDA
Am i the only who has ever played a FPS with punkbuster and still saw people cheating without any problems, while non cheaters crash because the PB client is refreshing fast enough? Seriously a staggeringly stupid decision to put that in any MMO.
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