Nope, won't be rushing in to the WAR arena just yet. Will be keeping an eye on developments up to release and then give it a couple of months to settle before making that choice. There still seem to be a few holes in the fundamental aspects of the game reported and with the cuts they made last week to the game it makes me wonder which direction the development is taking. My heart sank when EA took over Mythic and what that would ultimately do to WAR's development, but we will have to wait and see.
Thats what I would reccomend to anyone thats just not sure. If you see some of us after the first month or two talking about how bad it sucks then you know it disapointed some of the biggest fans of the game. If you dont see people like me and Ascention posting that means we are playing and you should come join us.
Nope, won't be rushing in to the WAR arena just yet. Will be keeping an eye on developments up to release and then give it a couple of months to settle before making that choice. There still seem to be a few holes in the fundamental aspects of the game reported and with the cuts they made last week to the game it makes me wonder which direction the development is taking. My heart sank when EA took over Mythic and what that would ultimately do to WAR's development, but we will have to wait and see.
Thats what I would reccomend to anyone thats just not sure. If you see some of us after the first month or two talking about how bad it sucks then you know it disapointed some of the biggest fans of the game. If you dont see people like me and Ascention posting that means we are playing and you should come join us.
I've learned in the past that rabid fanboys (not saying you are lol but in general) can last up to a year in a dieing game and still claim it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Look to friends and people who's opinion you trust or people who you think feel the same way as you and see what they think, don't rely on fanboys and on how long it takes for them to see the light, it can take very long sometimes
(disclaimer: Of course not all those will be blind, some people will *love* the game as it is despite their flaws, it's just that, the more flaws there are, the less people there are that will like it regardless, there will always be some)
I won't ever leave PvP Wow for a game with 1/3 of the PVP speeds of Wow.
The PvP videos of Warhammer don't convince me at all.
Slow, static, hardly any frantic action and all videos show a slow play as if the characters are being played by some 60 year old veterans.
And ALL the arguments defending it don't make sense.
First they said "it is only beta", than they said "it were pictures from a show people don't know how to play the game", now that the beta leaks show up it is "go away and just play Wow".
The poorest argument was that of the guy who said that slower fights allow more for healing and control.
I made the test with a few hard PvP'ers I know in RL. They couldn't stand the pace of the fights. It was PvP à la grandmama one told me. The avatars "flow" is so slow one thinks the action is filmed on the moon.
So I am very curious what happens to WAR, because their main focus IS the PvP game.
If I were responsible I would ask them to redo completely the speed and animation of the figths. The lore and sytem in itself deserves far more than this.
I always considered Conan as a failure because of its graphics resources. War should redo completely the animation because they use far better graphics resources for an MMORPG.
It would even be an advantage to launch 6 months after WotLK and redo the movement and fighting of characters completely. A PvP game without decent and fast PvP action is suicide.
DAoC was beaten 5 years ago in this department and apparently Mythic did the same thing with more pixels. 2008 is NOT 2003 guys !!!
Originally posted by Vicksburg The fanboys of WAR hate me for this ... But in all honesty. I won't ever leave PvP Wow for a game with 1/3 of the PVP speeds of Wow. The PvP videos of Warhammer don't convince me at all. Slow, static, hardly any frantic action and all videos show a slow play as if the characters are being played by some 60 year old veterans. And ALL the arguments defending it don't make sense. First they said "it is only beta", than they said "it were pictures from a show people don't know how to play the game", now that the beta leaks show up it is "go away and just play Wow". The poorest argument was that of the guy who said that slower fights allow more for healing and control. I made the test with a few hard PvP'ers I know in RL. They couldn't stand the pace of the fights. It was PvP à la grandmama one told me. The avatars "flow" is so slow one thinks the action is filmed on the moon. So I am very curious what happens to WAR, because their main focus IS the PvP game. If I were responsible I would ask them to redo completely the speed and animation of the figths. The lore and sytem in itself deserves far more than this. I always considered Conan as a failure because of its graphics resources. War should redo completely the animation because they use far better graphics resources for an MMORPG. It would even be an advantage to launch 6 months after WotLK and redo the movement and fighting of characters completely. A PvP game without decent and fast PvP action is suicide. DAoC was beaten 5 years ago in this department and apparently Mythic did the same thing with more pixels. 2008 is NOT 2003 guys !!!
No worries, they don't hate you, they are know you from trolling their boards and they know that you are just blind wow fanboi in heavy /panic mode.
I'm gonna quit WoW for WAR no doubt about it. I'm gonna cancel my WoW, go to the store, pickup my copy of WAR, install, and play till my hearts content. IF (really emphsizing here) IF for some odd and very ridiculous reason i don't like WAR, then i'll simply go back to WoW, but i'm not gonna have a subscription for both games at the same time.
Playing:WoW,Guild Wars Used to play: Vanguard, Anarchy Online (got to lvl 6 and quit ) Waiting for: Warhammer, Aion
I'm gonna quit WoW for WAR no doubt about it. I'm gonna cancel my WoW, go to the store, pickup my copy of WAR, install, and play till my hearts content. IF (really emphsizing here) IF for some odd and very ridiculous reason i don't like WAR, then i'll simply go back to WoW, but i'm not gonna have a subscription for both games at the same time.
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
I'm gonna quit WoW for WAR no doubt about it. I'm gonna cancel my WoW, go to the store, pickup my copy of WAR, install, and play till my hearts content. IF (really emphsizing here) IF for some odd and very ridiculous reason i don't like WAR, then i'll simply go back to WoW, but i'm not gonna have a subscription for both games at the same time.
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
Coffee: Are you ever interested in real discussion and debate, or are you just a religious Zealot preaching one thing until for some mysterious reason you are caught by something new (and that switch will never be admitted in public)?
Just curious since you never weight facts against facts
I'm gonna quit WoW for WAR no doubt about it. I'm gonna cancel my WoW, go to the store, pickup my copy of WAR, install, and play till my hearts content. IF (really emphsizing here) IF for some odd and very ridiculous reason i don't like WAR, then i'll simply go back to WoW, but i'm not gonna have a subscription for both games at the same time.
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
Coffee: Are you ever interested in real discussion and debate, or are you just a religious Zealot preaching one thing until for some mysterious reason you are caught by something new (and that switch will never be admitted in public)?
Just curious since you never weight facts against facts
Just showing the trend.. people leave WoW for other games.. realise it just aint as fun and want back in. WAR will be the same.
Gonna have trouble convincing my friends to leave for WAR with WotLK so close so Ill just sub to both.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
WoW has completely failed in the concept of Horde vs Alliance
(dont even say AV cause 10 minute battles arn't epic)
theres no epic battles between them, the closest thing to it was back in the days of TM/SS PvP. When i first started about 2 months after release i got my first character (UD mage) to level 43 and saw TM was under attack. So me and my friend (UD Mage 43 as well) went over to check it out. To our surprise we saw 10 horde of mixed levels standing against a zerg of 30+ alliance. At 43 we were dishing out good damage and having a blast whether or not we got ganked by a rogue or the raid over ran us and got swarmed by 40 or so guards. Point is it was just plain fun, didnt do it to get gear or say "haha i owned you". I remember my second TM/SS battle was fought at SS with 50+ horde against 15 or so allies. That was so much fun we were there for 5 hours just going back and forth. I remember AV(pre-guard/Korrak Nerf) being my favorite BG cause it reminded me of TM/SS but just with objectives in place.
Basicly... wow has killed any hopes of world PvP being revived when they introduced the honor system. And their BG's just arn't fun if the only focus of it is to get gear.
WAR has my hopes of reviving World PvP, just to go out and... well PvP for the hell of it. Not for gear, not so i can say ROFL NOOB YOU ONLY GOT 200 RES.
I've had my account canceled for about 8 months now and have had a much better time hanging out with friends, reading books, hell... washing my car. WoW has nothing more to offer me. All WoW has become is endless grinds that when one ends another begins.
(i.e. you level a char to level 60, now more like 62 to get your epic land mount, spend 600-700 gold, level to 70, spend 1000 gold to get your basicl flying mount, do dailys for how ever long to get 5000 gold to get your epic flyer, do 5 man/heroics or BG's to get acceptable gear to do the more difficult, do more dailys to get money to enchant your gear, grind away till you get that gear, and as you slowly gain more gear you have to do more dailys to get the money to re-enchant your new gear) it just keeps going like that. That is why i feel WoW has nothing more to offer me.
to me WoW is like a magic trick, and once you know how the trick is done it ceases to amaze you.
AoC is apparently trying to do it with gory combat and semi-nudit . . .14 year olds everywhere rejoice? And WAR is going to try it by integrating PvP with the entire game, as well as with some interesting innovations to quest mechanics."
As I always say: One swallow... erm... One feature doesn't make a blockbuster.
The next big thing must be veeeery different. It's not enough to have a revolutionary system, which I can see first at level 20 or 40 or whatever, because the rest looks like the same cookiecutter game. That is for example WAR.
Maybe they have good features, but my first few hours in it felt like i were in WoW. It was just more brown...
I think you can take people away from WoW, but the whole game MUST be the exact opposite (I don't say sandbox only) in one or another way.
Hanging it up? Why? There's no reason you can't subscribe to more than 1 game. I currently maintain subscriptions to 3 games (WoW is one of them). I'll definitely try out WAR, but it would have to be really great to justify completely canceling my WoW and other accounts.
Exactly. I currently maintain subscriptions to 32 games (WoW not one of them). Plus I have 3+ accounts with aech game because I like to try all class combinations and I hoard items. I never get rid of anything.
do you have a job and if so do you sleep?
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
After the crash and burn of the initial release of VG, and the much more recent one of AoC I have only moderate hopes that it will anything really new or different. I may try it, but I am not losing any sleep over it.
AoC is apparently trying to do it with gory combat and semi-nudit . . .14 year olds everywhere rejoice? And WAR is going to try it by integrating PvP with the entire game, as well as with some interesting innovations to quest mechanics." As I always say: One swallow... erm... One feature doesn't make a blockbuster. The next big thing must be veeeery different. It's not enough to have a revolutionary system, which I can see first at level 20 or 40 or whatever, because the rest looks like the same cookiecutter game. That is for example WAR. Maybe they have good features, but my first few hours in it felt like i were in WoW. It was just more brown... I think you can take people away from WoW, but the whole game MUST be the exact opposite (I don't say sandbox only) in one or another way.
I would play a PvP centric WoW, with interesting PvP progression and good PvP endgame.
I've only had the chance to play till level 8 in warhammer. Simply, between the public quests, scenarios, open pvp zones, and the amazing world (mind you this is for ALL levels not this 'you must hit level cap before you can do all this content' crap)there is absolutely nothing keeping me with WoW anymore. Blizzard ruined WoW with TBC, and WOTLK isnt bringing it any closer to being better. WAR is the way of the future.
Says the man who has spent over 8% of his life since WoW was released playing WoW. When you combine that with time slept, nearly half of your life since WoW was released has been spent either sleeping or playing WoW. LOL
Thats what I would reccomend to anyone thats just not sure. If you see some of us after the first month or two talking about how bad it sucks then you know it disapointed some of the biggest fans of the game. If you dont see people like me and Ascention posting that means we are playing and you should come join us.
Or it could mean you have secretly reupped to WoW and are afraid to say anything. LOL
I'm gonna quit WoW for WAR no doubt about it. I'm gonna cancel my WoW, go to the store, pickup my copy of WAR, install, and play till my hearts content. IF (really emphsizing here) IF for some odd and very ridiculous reason i don't like WAR, then i'll simply go back to WoW, but i'm not gonna have a subscription for both games at the same time.
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
You really need to go out and breath some fresh air...
No such thing as luck, just believing in it is what makes it real to you and really...thats all you need.
AoC is apparently trying to do it with gory combat and semi-nudit . . .14 year olds everywhere rejoice? And WAR is going to try it by integrating PvP with the entire game, as well as with some interesting innovations to quest mechanics." As I always say: One swallow... erm... One feature doesn't make a blockbuster. The next big thing must be veeeery different. It's not enough to have a revolutionary system, which I can see first at level 20 or 40 or whatever, because the rest looks like the same cookiecutter game. That is for example WAR. Maybe they have good features, but my first few hours in it felt like i were in WoW. It was just more brown... I think you can take people away from WoW, but the whole game MUST be the exact opposite (I don't say sandbox only) in one or another way.
But this is just your personal preference & opinion. Other games have tried to be complete 180s from other games on the market and disasteriously failed or they completely lied. WAR's been up front they want you to be able to hop in and not have this huge learning curve to over come just to get into the game.
I've personally enjoyed WAR since I've gotten my hands on it. While some of the most 'basic' things do feel like wow they honestly feel alot like other MMOS too WoW didn't exactly do anything new other than a great UI. The fact right off the bat I can choose to PvP to level instead of doing the PvE is a pretty huge difference. The fact I never have to worrya bout gear again is a HUGE difference too.
I hate WoW its whole game is based around gear gear gear there's no easter egg quests, no exploration, its very very Guild & Raid Focused and other than 'gear' & pve level progression there's little variety to the game. WAR atleast offers several ways to progress you dont have to PvE to level, you don't have to worrya bout gear, you can dye your gear, add trophies to your gear etc right from the beginning instead of waiting for End game.
WoW's a good game, great game really for people who enjoy Raiding & Gear progression and its a pretty big market but there's several other big markets of players that hate Raids, want to level in more than one way and have more choices of how to advance their toon these people will try WAR. Some will like it and some will hate it because they thought it'd be a hardcore game when infact it caters to neither hardcore or casuals. It lets you decide on your own how you want to play it without tipping the scale in either direction (for the most part).
I want more choices, I don't need a sandbox full of them because to me thats just over kill and a whole new level of grinding. WoW had its chance pre TBC to add more choices of end game & progression and they stuck with dungeons, raiding and pvp mini games instead. I'm glad I cancelled my account 2 and a half years ago and even though I've only been floating around various mmos while waiting on WAR i've never once resubscribed to WoW.
WoW sucks to me but over all its not a shitty game its just not for me and alot of other people that experienced the joys of trying to Siege on enemy territory only to have it stripped away and turned into a mini game.
No i wont be leaving, i love the concept of PVP, however i just dont think that WAR really has any holding power, in essense i think i would get bored or run out of things to do. Yes, i play WoW, and the thing that currently keeps me playing is trying to advance raid wise with my guild. We are casual and are slowly working our way to higher level stuff. Now i know that many people do not like raiding for whatever reason, thats not the point, the point is that we are constantly working towards new stuff. What is there to work towards in WAR other than sacking the other city (which would be awesome the first time) over and over?
i'll play both, its nice to have something to change to when one or the other becomes boring. Never understood why people make it into a contest of what game is better, what ever happened to playing game for fun? i swear people act like they are in some kinda gang and have to fight each other.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Well, in the last 2 or so years I waited for 3 games, LOTRO, AOC and Pirates of the burning seas. Only LOTRO lived up to the hype, the other two have been digital feces.
So WAR has a slight chance of being most of what is expected, but also a good chance of being the third big turd to hit the MMO toilet. I hope it's good, but I'll wait for a while after release. Got burned on PotBS, was smart on Conan, now I'll wait again.
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Thats what I would reccomend to anyone thats just not sure. If you see some of us after the first month or two talking about how bad it sucks then you know it disapointed some of the biggest fans of the game. If you dont see people like me and Ascention posting that means we are playing and you should come join us.
Thats what I would reccomend to anyone thats just not sure. If you see some of us after the first month or two talking about how bad it sucks then you know it disapointed some of the biggest fans of the game. If you dont see people like me and Ascention posting that means we are playing and you should come join us.
I've learned in the past that rabid fanboys (not saying you are lol but in general) can last up to a year in a dieing game and still claim it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Look to friends and people who's opinion you trust or people who you think feel the same way as you and see what they think, don't rely on fanboys and on how long it takes for them to see the light, it can take very long sometimes
(disclaimer: Of course not all those will be blind, some people will *love* the game as it is despite their flaws, it's just that, the more flaws there are, the less people there are that will like it regardless, there will always be some)
Observing the past changes over the beta ret paladin im realy thinkin' on staying in wow , but time will show..
The fanboys of WAR hate me for this ...
But in all honesty.
I won't ever leave PvP Wow for a game with 1/3 of the PVP speeds of Wow.
The PvP videos of Warhammer don't convince me at all.
Slow, static, hardly any frantic action and all videos show a slow play as if the characters are being played by some 60 year old veterans.
And ALL the arguments defending it don't make sense.
First they said "it is only beta", than they said "it were pictures from a show people don't know how to play the game", now that the beta leaks show up it is "go away and just play Wow".
The poorest argument was that of the guy who said that slower fights allow more for healing and control.
I made the test with a few hard PvP'ers I know in RL. They couldn't stand the pace of the fights. It was PvP à la grandmama one told me. The avatars "flow" is so slow one thinks the action is filmed on the moon.
So I am very curious what happens to WAR, because their main focus IS the PvP game.
If I were responsible I would ask them to redo completely the speed and animation of the figths. The lore and sytem in itself deserves far more than this.
I always considered Conan as a failure because of its graphics resources. War should redo completely the animation because they use far better graphics resources for an MMORPG.
It would even be an advantage to launch 6 months after WotLK and redo the movement and fighting of characters completely. A PvP game without decent and fast PvP action is suicide.
DAoC was beaten 5 years ago in this department and apparently Mythic did the same thing with more pixels. 2008 is NOT 2003 guys !!!
Because Aion is a gay looking asian grinder?
Because Aion is a gay looking asian grinder?
Wrong on both accounts. I was actually going for WAR, but seeing as the only class that interested me has been cut, I'll be waiting for Aion.
No worries, they don't hate you, they are know you from trolling their boards and they know that you are just blind wow fanboi in heavy /panic mode.
I'm gonna quit WoW for WAR no doubt about it. I'm gonna cancel my WoW, go to the store, pickup my copy of WAR, install, and play till my hearts content. IF (really emphsizing here) IF for some odd and very ridiculous reason i don't like WAR, then i'll simply go back to WoW, but i'm not gonna have a subscription for both games at the same time.
Playing:WoW,Guild Wars
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Used to play: Vanguard, Anarchy Online (got to lvl 6 and quit
Waiting for: Warhammer, Aion
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
Coffee: Are you ever interested in real discussion and debate, or are you just a religious Zealot preaching one thing until for some mysterious reason you are caught by something new (and that switch will never be admitted in public)?
Just curious since you never weight facts against facts
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
Coffee: Are you ever interested in real discussion and debate, or are you just a religious Zealot preaching one thing until for some mysterious reason you are caught by something new (and that switch will never be admitted in public)?
Just curious since you never weight facts against facts
Just showing the trend.. people leave WoW for other games.. realise it just aint as fun and want back in. WAR will be the same.
Gonna have trouble convincing my friends to leave for WAR with WotLK so close so Ill just sub to both.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
WoW has completely failed in the concept of Horde vs Alliance
(dont even say AV cause 10 minute battles arn't epic)
theres no epic battles between them, the closest thing to it was back in the days of TM/SS PvP. When i first started about 2 months after release i got my first character (UD mage) to level 43 and saw TM was under attack. So me and my friend (UD Mage 43 as well) went over to check it out. To our surprise we saw 10 horde of mixed levels standing against a zerg of 30+ alliance. At 43 we were dishing out good damage and having a blast whether or not we got ganked by a rogue or the raid over ran us and got swarmed by 40 or so guards. Point is it was just plain fun, didnt do it to get gear or say "haha i owned you". I remember my second TM/SS battle was fought at SS with 50+ horde against 15 or so allies. That was so much fun we were there for 5 hours just going back and forth. I remember AV(pre-guard/Korrak Nerf) being my favorite BG cause it reminded me of TM/SS but just with objectives in place.
Basicly... wow has killed any hopes of world PvP being revived when they introduced the honor system. And their BG's just arn't fun if the only focus of it is to get gear.
WAR has my hopes of reviving World PvP, just to go out and... well PvP for the hell of it. Not for gear, not so i can say ROFL NOOB YOU ONLY GOT 200 RES.
I've had my account canceled for about 8 months now and have had a much better time hanging out with friends, reading books, hell... washing my car. WoW has nothing more to offer me. All WoW has become is endless grinds that when one ends another begins.
(i.e. you level a char to level 60, now more like 62 to get your epic land mount, spend 600-700 gold, level to 70, spend 1000 gold to get your basicl flying mount, do dailys for how ever long to get 5000 gold to get your epic flyer, do 5 man/heroics or BG's to get acceptable gear to do the more difficult, do more dailys to get money to enchant your gear, grind away till you get that gear, and as you slowly gain more gear you have to do more dailys to get the money to re-enchant your new gear) it just keeps going like that. That is why i feel WoW has nothing more to offer me.
to me WoW is like a magic trick, and once you know how the trick is done it ceases to amaze you.
AoC is apparently trying to do it with gory combat and semi-nudit . . .14 year olds everywhere rejoice? And WAR is going to try it by integrating PvP with the entire game, as well as with some interesting innovations to quest mechanics."
As I always say: One swallow... erm... One feature doesn't make a blockbuster.
The next big thing must be veeeery different. It's not enough to have a revolutionary system, which I can see first at level 20 or 40 or whatever, because the rest looks like the same cookiecutter game. That is for example WAR.
Maybe they have good features, but my first few hours in it felt like i were in WoW. It was just more brown...
I think you can take people away from WoW, but the whole game MUST be the exact opposite (I don't say sandbox only) in one or another way.
Exactly. I currently maintain subscriptions to 32 games (WoW not one of them). Plus I have 3+ accounts with aech game because I like to try all class combinations and I hoard items. I never get rid of anything.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
I am not holding my breath for it.
After the crash and burn of the initial release of VG, and the much more recent one of AoC I have only moderate hopes that it will anything really new or different. I may try it, but I am not losing any sleep over it.
I would play a PvP centric WoW, with interesting PvP progression and good PvP endgame.
Says the man who has spent over 8% of his life since WoW was released playing WoW. When you combine that with time slept, nearly half of your life since WoW was released has been spent either sleeping or playing WoW. LOL
Or it could mean you have secretly reupped to WoW and are afraid to say anything. LOL
The ones that do jump Ship will quicky be sloshing about in the water praying for Wow to rescue them again and once they hit land again they'll kiss the land known as azeroth.
You really need to go out and breath some fresh air...
No such thing as luck, just believing in it is what makes it real to you and really...thats all you need.
Im on nobodies' side but my own.
But this is just your personal preference & opinion. Other games have tried to be complete 180s from other games on the market and disasteriously failed or they completely lied. WAR's been up front they want you to be able to hop in and not have this huge learning curve to over come just to get into the game.
I've personally enjoyed WAR since I've gotten my hands on it. While some of the most 'basic' things do feel like wow they honestly feel alot like other MMOS too WoW didn't exactly do anything new other than a great UI. The fact right off the bat I can choose to PvP to level instead of doing the PvE is a pretty huge difference. The fact I never have to worrya bout gear again is a HUGE difference too.
I hate WoW its whole game is based around gear gear gear there's no easter egg quests, no exploration, its very very Guild & Raid Focused and other than 'gear' & pve level progression there's little variety to the game. WAR atleast offers several ways to progress you dont have to PvE to level, you don't have to worrya bout gear, you can dye your gear, add trophies to your gear etc right from the beginning instead of waiting for End game.
WoW's a good game, great game really for people who enjoy Raiding & Gear progression and its a pretty big market but there's several other big markets of players that hate Raids, want to level in more than one way and have more choices of how to advance their toon these people will try WAR. Some will like it and some will hate it because they thought it'd be a hardcore game when infact it caters to neither hardcore or casuals. It lets you decide on your own how you want to play it without tipping the scale in either direction (for the most part).
I want more choices, I don't need a sandbox full of them because to me thats just over kill and a whole new level of grinding. WoW had its chance pre TBC to add more choices of end game & progression and they stuck with dungeons, raiding and pvp mini games instead. I'm glad I cancelled my account 2 and a half years ago and even though I've only been floating around various mmos while waiting on WAR i've never once resubscribed to WoW.
WoW sucks to me but over all its not a shitty game its just not for me and alot of other people that experienced the joys of trying to Siege on enemy territory only to have it stripped away and turned into a mini game.
Combat is different in WAR, longer TTK, much weaker CC, not 1v1, some WoW players will be dissapointed.
No i wont be leaving, i love the concept of PVP, however i just dont think that WAR really has any holding power, in essense i think i would get bored or run out of things to do. Yes, i play WoW, and the thing that currently keeps me playing is trying to advance raid wise with my guild. We are casual and are slowly working our way to higher level stuff. Now i know that many people do not like raiding for whatever reason, thats not the point, the point is that we are constantly working towards new stuff. What is there to work towards in WAR other than sacking the other city (which would be awesome the first time) over and over?
Of course, feel free to correct me
i'll play both, its nice to have something to change to when one or the other becomes boring. Never understood why people make it into a contest of what game is better, what ever happened to playing game for fun? i swear people act like they are in some kinda gang and have to fight each other.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Well, in the last 2 or so years I waited for 3 games, LOTRO, AOC and Pirates of the burning seas. Only LOTRO lived up to the hype, the other two have been digital feces.
So WAR has a slight chance of being most of what is expected, but also a good chance of being the third big turd to hit the MMO toilet. I hope it's good, but I'll wait for a while after release. Got burned on PotBS, was smart on Conan, now I'll wait again.