SWG dies, SOE and the current players lose SWG dies without any classic servers being released. SOE, the current payers and the vets lose
in short...we all lose
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
Obviously, he plays them cause he enjoys them, just like me. Kind of hard to enjoy a game if its... painful as you put it. Speaking of pain, your going to be in for a crapload of it when you find out KOTOR isn't your Star Wars dream.
You should recall that it's been the people in these very forums that have been saying since 2005 that a KOTOR mmo would most definately NOT be a pre-cu fans SW dream. I'm not sure why you would say it like its gonna be a big surprise. People here have been saying that for 3 years. Kinda funny. I know there's some saying it better be like pre-cu or it will fail..but, thats like 2 people. Most just think it needs to break the current mold..it needs something unique..that a straight up wow clone "could" fail with SW fans. I also think there are master marketers at work here..so anything could happen:)
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Heya Reklaw. Been a while since we crossed paths. I've missed it I just created a thread that seems related to your question. Sorry I didn't read yours first; I just noticed it now.
At the same time, however, in my mind SWG also cost players and SOE a lot. They lost revenue, trust and reputation, and possibly the StarWars IP, depending on how things pan out with the next StarWars MMO. We lost a fun experience, community, ingame accomplishments and maybe some money as well.
I really hope that through all of this loss that the MMO industry can learn some important lessons and be better overall for it. I guess only time will tell for sure.
SWG dies, SOE and the current players lose SWG dies without any classic servers being released. SOE, the current payers and the vets lose
in short...we all lose
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
Obviously, he plays them cause he enjoys them, just like me. Kind of hard to enjoy a game if its... painful as you put it. Speaking of pain, your going to be in for a crapload of it when you find out KOTOR isn't your Star Wars dream.
As long as SOE isn't involved with Bioware's Star Wars MMO, which all signs point to being the case, as long as the game isn't as bad as SWG currently is, I'll be happy. Hell, even if it is just slightly better than the NGE, in which case I won't play it, I'll still be happy, since there will still be someplace for the folks who just want a Star Wars MMO (which is the case with a significant portion of the current SWG playerbase) that isn't contaminated by SOE.
My expectations aren't very high for Bioware's MMO. I assume it will be class based and have a strong centeral story progression, which has been Bioware's trademark, aside from the medical software they made prior to becoming a video game developer, and Neverwinter Nights' official module. I don't have a problem with class and level based MMOs, as long as they don't suck, which SWG currently does.
SWG dies, SOE and the current players lose SWG dies without any classic servers being released. SOE, the current payers and the vets lose
in short...we all lose
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
lol
it is so strange to see people defend this game so. on one hand they say we ruined the game by being forced out by management and then sometimes they say we arent even vets. i suppose we should take it as acompliment as it seems we are all things to them!
SWG dies, SOE and the current players lose SWG dies without any classic servers being released. SOE, the current payers and the vets lose
in short...we all lose
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
lol
it is so strange to see people defend this game so. on one hand they say we ruined the game by being forced out by management and then sometimes they say we arent even vets. i suppose we should take it as acompliment as it seems we are all things to them!
Yup, it's pretty bizarre isn't it. One minute we're the vocal minority, the next minute we're ruining the game with all of our criticism of the NGE, and the next we're said to be the cause of the NGE. You'd almost think some people who post here have some kind of agenda...
SWG dies, SOE and the current players lose SWG dies without any classic servers being released. SOE, the current payers and the vets lose
in short...we all lose
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
Now that's funny...........
Nah I like them and it's hard to get that kind of fun for such a cheap price, IMO
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
SWG dies, SOE and the current players lose SWG dies without any classic servers being released. SOE, the current payers and the vets lose
in short...we all lose
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
Believe what you want. We're both vets. The difference is, you are part of a group of vets who think it's ok that SOE engaged in fraudulent business practices. The group I'm part of does not think it's ok, and will not feed that beast.
Well, if your reason for not playing SWG is strictly because of SOE being fraudulent, than your already limiting yourself to a lot of MMOs you cant play, cause 90% of gaming companies have pulled one or more stunts on their player base. So ya, good luck finding that beacon of hope in the gaming industry because believe it or not, this industry is a business which means $$$ and I don't know too many companies that put $$$ before customers in this part of the world.
So far, only exception in my opinion is Mythic Entertainment, with their classic servers out of respect for their players for the ToA expansion crap. Guess what ME got in return? A dying game. So don't expect to see a whole lot of repenting companies in the future when all we do is shit on them 24/7 in return.
Pulling a stunt is one thing. Am I still bitter that Ultima X was never released? Am I still upset at the way Ultima 9 was thrown out the door? Oh, sure. I had many years invested in the Ultima franchise. But I could always go back and play those older games. EA couldn't take that away from me. And time limits my MMO playing right now to exactly 0, not that anything's out there worth my time anyway. I can discipline kids between forum posts, but it's hard to do with a group relying on you to kill that next boss or whatever.
I'm not looking for a beacon of hope. And I certainly didn't quit SWG because of SOE fraudulence. I did it because they unrepentantly destroyed my character and everything I had played for over the past 2.5 years. Their changes killed off the in-game crafting business my best friend and I had worked so hard to build, they made the game no longer fun, and flat-out told us that we were no longer wanted as players and would be replaced. But vets who play the existing game choose to overlook that because they either got what they wanted with the NGE, or have no problem being a doormat because the game is "fun". There are elements of the NGE I like, such as content, weak as it is. If this content would have been added into the pre-CU game, it would have been ridiculed as far too simplistic, but accepted. But SOE pulled a bait-and-switch with ToOW, and it's hard to ignore that.
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"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
Obviously, he plays them cause he enjoys them, just like me. Kind of hard to enjoy a game if its... painful as you put it. Speaking of pain, your going to be in for a crapload of it when you find out KOTOR isn't your Star Wars dream.
You should recall that it's been the people in these very forums that have been saying since 2005 that a KOTOR mmo would most definately NOT be a pre-cu fans SW dream. I'm not sure why you would say it like its gonna be a big surprise. People here have been saying that for 3 years. Kinda funny. I know there's some saying it better be like pre-cu or it will fail..but, thats like 2 people. Most just think it needs to break the current mold..it needs something unique..that a straight up wow clone "could" fail with SW fans. I also think there are master marketers at work here..so anything could happen:)
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Heya Reklaw. Been a while since we crossed paths. I've missed it
I just created a thread that seems related to your question. Sorry I didn't read yours first; I just noticed it now.
Part of my answer to you would be here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/190507
At the same time, however, in my mind SWG also cost players and SOE a lot. They lost revenue, trust and reputation, and possibly the StarWars IP, depending on how things pan out with the next StarWars MMO. We lost a fun experience, community, ingame accomplishments and maybe some money as well.
I really hope that through all of this loss that the MMO industry can learn some important lessons and be better overall for it. I guess only time will tell for sure.
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
Obviously, he plays them cause he enjoys them, just like me. Kind of hard to enjoy a game if its... painful as you put it. Speaking of pain, your going to be in for a crapload of it when you find out KOTOR isn't your Star Wars dream.
As long as SOE isn't involved with Bioware's Star Wars MMO, which all signs point to being the case, as long as the game isn't as bad as SWG currently is, I'll be happy. Hell, even if it is just slightly better than the NGE, in which case I won't play it, I'll still be happy, since there will still be someplace for the folks who just want a Star Wars MMO (which is the case with a significant portion of the current SWG playerbase) that isn't contaminated by SOE.
My expectations aren't very high for Bioware's MMO. I assume it will be class based and have a strong centeral story progression, which has been Bioware's trademark, aside from the medical software they made prior to becoming a video game developer, and Neverwinter Nights' official module. I don't have a problem with class and level based MMOs, as long as they don't suck, which SWG currently does.
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
lol
it is so strange to see people defend this game so. on one hand they say we ruined the game by being forced out by management and then sometimes they say we arent even vets. i suppose we should take it as acompliment as it seems we are all things to them!
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
lol
it is so strange to see people defend this game so. on one hand they say we ruined the game by being forced out by management and then sometimes they say we arent even vets. i suppose we should take it as acompliment as it seems we are all things to them!
Yup, it's pretty bizarre isn't it. One minute we're the vocal minority, the next minute we're ruining the game with all of our criticism of the NGE, and the next we're said to be the cause of the NGE. You'd almost think some people who post here have some kind of agenda...
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
No, if you've played both of those games since release, you're a masochist.
Now that's funny...........
Nah I like them and it's hard to get that kind of fun for such a cheap price, IMO
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
"The current "PLAYERS" and the vets"?? I'm sorry but many current players are vets and some of us believe that you quitters aren't vets.
I've been playing Ultima Online since release and SWG since release.... I am a Vet !
Believe what you want. We're both vets. The difference is, you are part of a group of vets who think it's ok that SOE engaged in fraudulent business practices. The group I'm part of does not think it's ok, and will not feed that beast.
Well, if your reason for not playing SWG is strictly because of SOE being fraudulent, than your already limiting yourself to a lot of MMOs you cant play, cause 90% of gaming companies have pulled one or more stunts on their player base. So ya, good luck finding that beacon of hope in the gaming industry because believe it or not, this industry is a business which means $$$ and I don't know too many companies that put $$$ before customers in this part of the world.
So far, only exception in my opinion is Mythic Entertainment, with their classic servers out of respect for their players for the ToA expansion crap. Guess what ME got in return? A dying game. So don't expect to see a whole lot of repenting companies in the future when all we do is shit on them 24/7 in return.
Pulling a stunt is one thing. Am I still bitter that Ultima X was never released? Am I still upset at the way Ultima 9 was thrown out the door? Oh, sure. I had many years invested in the Ultima franchise. But I could always go back and play those older games. EA couldn't take that away from me. And time limits my MMO playing right now to exactly 0, not that anything's out there worth my time anyway. I can discipline kids between forum posts, but it's hard to do with a group relying on you to kill that next boss or whatever.
I'm not looking for a beacon of hope. And I certainly didn't quit SWG because of SOE fraudulence. I did it because they unrepentantly destroyed my character and everything I had played for over the past 2.5 years. Their changes killed off the in-game crafting business my best friend and I had worked so hard to build, they made the game no longer fun, and flat-out told us that we were no longer wanted as players and would be replaced. But vets who play the existing game choose to overlook that because they either got what they wanted with the NGE, or have no problem being a doormat because the game is "fun". There are elements of the NGE I like, such as content, weak as it is. If this content would have been added into the pre-CU game, it would have been ridiculed as far too simplistic, but accepted. But SOE pulled a bait-and-switch with ToOW, and it's hard to ignore that.
There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum