So let's look at it this way, a game is an entertainment expense. MMO's in general (yes there are a few free to plays) cost 15 bucks on average per month to play. The upfront cost of a game is $50 give or take a little depending on if you purchase CE or not. The majority of the time, the first 30 days are free.
So let's see a little economics based on a 6 month sub:
Month 1 cost: $50
6 Months of sub Cost: $90
Total: $140
Now compare to those who buy new games at least every month because they either finish it or get bored. $50 a clip x 7 months: $350 total spent. Assuming the games have a multiplayer component they are shooting for they too will be on line, so we can't forget that fee.
Add in their internet fee which averages $43/month for 7 months: $301
MMO: $441 total or averaging $63/month
Reg Game: $651 total or averging $91/month
If people find enjoyment in the game they play, they don't mind paying. Just because you didn't find it enjoyable and stop playing a game does not make someone who does enjoy it an idiot. I for one am enjoying the game. I don't play much during the week, maybe an hour a night; 2 if I am lucky enough. And the weekends I can usually get in close to 5 hours a day. I take my time playing an MMO, its steady, it isn't linear, and I find it challenging. Do I get frustrated at FunCom bugs? You better believe I do, however, the game gives me 99% enjoyment and 1% frustration and that is how I rate my play time.
So let's look at it this way, a game is an entertainment expense. MMO's in general (yes there are a few free to plays) cost 15 bucks on average per month to play. The upfront cost of a game is $50 give or take a little depending on if you purchase CE or not. The majority of the time, the first 30 days are free. So let's see a little economics based on a 6 month sub: Month 1 cost: $50 6 Months of sub Cost: $90 Total: $140 Now compare to those who buy new games at least every month because they either finish it or get bored. $50 a clip x 7 months: $350 total spent. Assuming the games have a multiplayer component they are shooting for they too will be on line, so we can't forget that fee. Add in their internet fee which averages $43/month for 7 months: $301 MMO: $441 total or averaging $63/month Reg Game: $651 total or averging $91/month If people find enjoyment in the game they play, they don't mind paying. Just because you didn't find it enjoyable and stop playing a game does not make someone who does enjoy it an idiot. I for one am enjoying the game. I don't play much during the week, maybe an hour a night; 2 if I am lucky enough. And the weekends I can usually get in close to 5 hours a day. I take my time playing an MMO, its steady, it isn't linear, and I find it challenging. Do I get frustrated at FunCom bugs? You better believe I do, however, the game gives me 99% enjoyment and 1% frustration and that is how I rate my play time.
by your odd logic... you have to include a fee for internet use for thhe MMO as well...
which would put MMO at $741, or roughly $103/month
I was evaluating the cost of entertainment per month for a MMO gamer and a gamer in general. Unless you live with your parents... people pay for their internet access either FiOS or Cable or Dial up, either way you have to pay. And I included the internet fee for the MMO, your math is incorrect.
I love how people knock the game who never even played the game, experienced cities, and the whole game experience, feel they know enough to knock the game.
Believe it or not, AOC is a great fun game. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but you really make yourself look like an idiot by your posts.
Sorry friend,I played the game. Just like any other product I purchase,if it's defective,I dont keep it(or in this case,continue to play it).
I was evaluating the cost of entertainment per month for a MMO gamer and a gamer in general. Unless you live with your parents... people pay for their internet access either FiOS or Cable or Dial up, either way you have to pay. And I included the internet fee for the MMO, your math is incorrect.
ahh sorry, I was half-awake when I read the post, just looked through and noticed that lol
but, I still doubt an average person would buy a new game that frequently though
when i'm not playing a MMO, I tend to go buy games every 2 to 3 weeks to sate my appetite for something new, considering most other games are linear and it isn't all that difficult to master teh same technique over and over till u reach teh end. I find it ridiculous and go back to find the MMO that will keep me going.
I see lots of conflicting opinions (big surprise) with some defending the game in spite of the majority of negative posts.
I don't pay much attention to opinion or PR spin from Funcom lackeys. People have already pointed out this game was NOT at E3. Why? It was just released, you'd think Eidos would be showing it off.
That says more to me than any hype or forum opinions.
Only 3 more feet to go to get 6 feet under . Holiday pack to pay for fixes ? this is a new low for any gaming company.
Ever heard of The Sims? Your "an all time low" has already been done, and been proven to sell well. And anyways, the "holiday edition" is just gonna be a new box cover with an added extra item, some of you are reading waaay too much into it.
The Sims is one of the all time highest selling video game franchises, when did Maxis come out with holiday packs to fix a broken game they released which I'm pretty sure Solareus is trying to say.
for the record when EA bought Maxis they signed Maxis to a deal to make some umpteen games as well as expansions which is why the Sims have so many expansion packs, and I hate to tell you if Funcom had half the level of standard Maxis and EA both show AoC wouldn't be such a mirror image of the other revolutionary but now F2P game they released.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I can totally respect your opinion as stated but what you also have to realize is that it seems based mostly off of the time you have spent in game, I think a vast majority of MMO players when we have a game we are really into we spend alot more time playing it than you seem to when most people burn through the content say 100 times faster than you and encounter the bugs a 100 times more than you just amplify obviously your annoyance times 100 and see what you get.
Also in an earlier post someone eluded to people trashing the game who haven't played it I am one of those people but what I take solice in is the fact that through my experience dealing with mmos the difficlty apperent in making them and th all or nothing nature of them I had a very good suspision this would happen. You may in fact like the game but you cannot deny many have praised and defended the game that are not happy with the outcome of the experience they had and even more who just tried a game with no preconceived notion and quit with a bad taste in their mouth, I for one see great value in keeping current in topics like this because I think the most important thing in mmos is for consumers to demand the production values exhibited by Blizzard in WoW or Turbine in LOTRO and stop accepting the treatment of companies like SOE with SWG Sigil with Vanguard and Funcom with this game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I see lots of conflicting opinions (big surprise) with some defending the game in spite of the majority of negative posts. I don't pay much attention to opinion or PR spin from Funcom lackeys. People have already pointed out this game was NOT at E3. Why? It was just released, you'd think Eidos would be showing it off. That says more to me than any hype or forum opinions.
'Nuff Said
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I would like to point out where we've seen all of this before - Hellgate London. Does anyone else remember the massive hype machine, the jaw dropping graphics, the team that brought you diablo 2?!?!?
Yeah me neither, it wsa all hidden by god awful glitches and stability problems, tunnel after tunnel after fucking tunnel, not really an MMO at all since you only had your little area, terrible quests, no endgame...sound familiar?
I'm so glad I don't buy into hype anymore. I actually went out and got guild wars after playing hellgate london because it was a better game. So many of my amer friends made fun of me for ditching HG at first but within a month we all went to guild wars, WoW, or FPSes because the game was that bad. Now most AoC players will probably go to competitors the game is so bad. People aren't playing because they have nothing better to do, they're playing because they have false hope, kinda like the hellgate subscribers. Now look at what happened - the game is dead. I can't even access the servers anymore, subscrber content is halted, the lifetime subscrubrs got screwed royally...I see it all happening again with AoC.
I love how people knock the game who never even played the game, experienced cities, and the whole game experience, feel they know enough to knock the game.
Believe it or not, AOC is a great fun game. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but you really make yourself look like an idiot by your posts.
Sorry friend,I played the game. Just like any other product I purchase,if it's defective,I dont keep it(or in this case,continue to play it).
I played closed beta and stayed with the game until QA turned off the beta servers and initiated the "TestLive" server a couple weeks or so ago and still play a character on my son's account every few days for a bit just to see if FunCom's making any progress toward providing a release quality product.
I was in there, fighting until the end to try to help AoC reach release quality. It didn't happen. AoC remains a closed beta product and IMHO, it will remain beta quality for quite some time - release quality is at least 3-6 months away. I like the game - I hope it gets to release quality soon and if so, I might get a game account.
I find it funny how Melwe, quoted above, dismisses and disses the vast majority of the MMO player community, including most of the people who posted here, who think like Cruzin and me.
I love how people knock the game who never even played the game, experienced cities, and the whole game experience, feel they know enough to knock the game.
Believe it or not, AOC is a great fun game. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but you really make yourself look like an idiot by your posts.
Sorry friend,I played the game. Just like any other product I purchase,if it's defective,I dont keep it(or in this case,continue to play it).
I played closed beta and stayed with the game until QA turned off the beta servers and initiated the "TestLive" server a couple weeks or so ago and still play a character on my son's account every few days for a bit just to see if FunCom's making any progress toward providing a release quality product.
I was in there, fighting until the end to try to help AoC reach release quality. It didn't happen. AoC remains a closed beta product and IMHO, it will remain beta quality for quite some time - release quality is at least 3-6 months away. I like the game - I hope it gets to release quality soon and if so, I might get a game account.
I find it funny how Melwe, quoted above, dismisses and disses the vast majority of the MMO player community, including most of the people who posted here, who think like Cruzin and me.
Now really, Melwe -- who looks like idiots?
I point out the idiots who claim 'omg no walls on cities and anyone can walk into them?' Not people who have an opinion on the game. I should of been more specific, but I get involved in so many of these posts where people don't write the reasons why they feel the game is bad and just drop a bomb and run!
90% of the negative posts make no sense, there is a thing called constructive criticism rather than the 'failcom released a bad game!'
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The amusing thing is though, there are plenty of monkeys out there who are still paying for the game.
It really makes me LOL.
So let's look at it this way, a game is an entertainment expense. MMO's in general (yes there are a few free to plays) cost 15 bucks on average per month to play. The upfront cost of a game is $50 give or take a little depending on if you purchase CE or not. The majority of the time, the first 30 days are free.
So let's see a little economics based on a 6 month sub:
Month 1 cost: $50
6 Months of sub Cost: $90
Total: $140
Now compare to those who buy new games at least every month because they either finish it or get bored. $50 a clip x 7 months: $350 total spent. Assuming the games have a multiplayer component they are shooting for they too will be on line, so we can't forget that fee.
Add in their internet fee which averages $43/month for 7 months: $301
MMO: $441 total or averaging $63/month
Reg Game: $651 total or averging $91/month
If people find enjoyment in the game they play, they don't mind paying. Just because you didn't find it enjoyable and stop playing a game does not make someone who does enjoy it an idiot. I for one am enjoying the game. I don't play much during the week, maybe an hour a night; 2 if I am lucky enough. And the weekends I can usually get in close to 5 hours a day. I take my time playing an MMO, its steady, it isn't linear, and I find it challenging. Do I get frustrated at FunCom bugs? You better believe I do, however, the game gives me 99% enjoyment and 1% frustration and that is how I rate my play time.
by your odd logic... you have to include a fee for internet use for thhe MMO as well...
which would put MMO at $741, or roughly $103/month
I was evaluating the cost of entertainment per month for a MMO gamer and a gamer in general. Unless you live with your parents... people pay for their internet access either FiOS or Cable or Dial up, either way you have to pay. And I included the internet fee for the MMO, your math is incorrect.
Sorry friend,I played the game. Just like any other product I purchase,if it's defective,I dont keep it(or in this case,continue to play it).
ahh sorry, I was half-awake when I read the post, just looked through and noticed that lol
but, I still doubt an average person would buy a new game that frequently though
when i'm not playing a MMO, I tend to go buy games every 2 to 3 weeks to sate my appetite for something new, considering most other games are linear and it isn't all that difficult to master teh same technique over and over till u reach teh end. I find it ridiculous and go back to find the MMO that will keep me going.
ouch late 2009, so glad I didn't wait up for the xbow version. (previously early 08)
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I see lots of conflicting opinions (big surprise) with some defending the game in spite of the majority of negative posts.
I don't pay much attention to opinion or PR spin from Funcom lackeys. People have already pointed out this game was NOT at E3. Why? It was just released, you'd think Eidos would be showing it off.
That says more to me than any hype or forum opinions.
Ever heard of The Sims?
Your "an all time low" has already been done, and been proven to sell well. And anyways, the "holiday edition" is just gonna be a new box cover with an added extra item, some of you are reading waaay too much into it.
The Sims is one of the all time highest selling video game franchises, when did Maxis come out with holiday packs to fix a broken game they released which I'm pretty sure Solareus is trying to say.
for the record when EA bought Maxis they signed Maxis to a deal to make some umpteen games as well as expansions which is why the Sims have so many expansion packs, and I hate to tell you if Funcom had half the level of standard Maxis and EA both show AoC wouldn't be such a mirror image of the other revolutionary but now F2P game they released.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I can totally respect your opinion as stated but what you also have to realize is that it seems based mostly off of the time you have spent in game, I think a vast majority of MMO players when we have a game we are really into we spend alot more time playing it than you seem to when most people burn through the content say 100 times faster than you and encounter the bugs a 100 times more than you just amplify obviously your annoyance times 100 and see what you get.
Also in an earlier post someone eluded to people trashing the game who haven't played it I am one of those people but what I take solice in is the fact that through my experience dealing with mmos the difficlty apperent in making them and th all or nothing nature of them I had a very good suspision this would happen. You may in fact like the game but you cannot deny many have praised and defended the game that are not happy with the outcome of the experience they had and even more who just tried a game with no preconceived notion and quit with a bad taste in their mouth, I for one see great value in keeping current in topics like this because I think the most important thing in mmos is for consumers to demand the production values exhibited by Blizzard in WoW or Turbine in LOTRO and stop accepting the treatment of companies like SOE with SWG Sigil with Vanguard and Funcom with this game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
'Nuff Said
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I would like to point out where we've seen all of this before - Hellgate London. Does anyone else remember the massive hype machine, the jaw dropping graphics, the team that brought you diablo 2?!?!?
Yeah me neither, it wsa all hidden by god awful glitches and stability problems, tunnel after tunnel after fucking tunnel, not really an MMO at all since you only had your little area, terrible quests, no endgame...sound familiar?
I'm so glad I don't buy into hype anymore. I actually went out and got guild wars after playing hellgate london because it was a better game. So many of my amer friends made fun of me for ditching HG at first but within a month we all went to guild wars, WoW, or FPSes because the game was that bad. Now most AoC players will probably go to competitors the game is so bad. People aren't playing because they have nothing better to do, they're playing because they have false hope, kinda like the hellgate subscribers. Now look at what happened - the game is dead. I can't even access the servers anymore, subscrber content is halted, the lifetime subscrubrs got screwed royally...I see it all happening again with AoC.
Sorry friend,I played the game. Just like any other product I purchase,if it's defective,I dont keep it(or in this case,continue to play it).
I played closed beta and stayed with the game until QA turned off the beta servers and initiated the "TestLive" server a couple weeks or so ago and still play a character on my son's account every few days for a bit just to see if FunCom's making any progress toward providing a release quality product.
I was in there, fighting until the end to try to help AoC reach release quality. It didn't happen. AoC remains a closed beta product and IMHO, it will remain beta quality for quite some time - release quality is at least 3-6 months away. I like the game - I hope it gets to release quality soon and if so, I might get a game account.
I find it funny how Melwe, quoted above, dismisses and disses the vast majority of the MMO player community, including most of the people who posted here, who think like Cruzin and me.
Now really, Melwe -- who looks like idiots?
Please, there are no idiots here, just posters with opinions. Some are too strong, I think, but to each his/her own.
Sorry friend,I played the game. Just like any other product I purchase,if it's defective,I dont keep it(or in this case,continue to play it).
I played closed beta and stayed with the game until QA turned off the beta servers and initiated the "TestLive" server a couple weeks or so ago and still play a character on my son's account every few days for a bit just to see if FunCom's making any progress toward providing a release quality product.
I was in there, fighting until the end to try to help AoC reach release quality. It didn't happen. AoC remains a closed beta product and IMHO, it will remain beta quality for quite some time - release quality is at least 3-6 months away. I like the game - I hope it gets to release quality soon and if so, I might get a game account.
I find it funny how Melwe, quoted above, dismisses and disses the vast majority of the MMO player community, including most of the people who posted here, who think like Cruzin and me.
Now really, Melwe -- who looks like idiots?
I point out the idiots who claim 'omg no walls on cities and anyone can walk into them?' Not people who have an opinion on the game. I should of been more specific, but I get involved in so many of these posts where people don't write the reasons why they feel the game is bad and just drop a bomb and run!
90% of the negative posts make no sense, there is a thing called constructive criticism rather than the 'failcom released a bad game!'